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Old 01-16-2007, 01:02 AM
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Hi I am new to this forum. I just got a puppy and started doing some research and found this website. Glad to be here!!

I would like the administrator to sticky one part of my post if they would.

I am an airline pilot, and I see abuse on a DAILY basis at work. Animals left in crates in the extreme cold and heat are pretty bad, but what I have seen in the past several years makes me sick.

You see, it gets COLD in the cargo compartment. It is pressurized, but we don't turn on the heat back there unless the ground personnel let us know that there is an animal being shipped. I can't tell you how many times I have flown a 2-3 hour flight only to find a shivering puppy or kitten that I didn't know about. I have started to run the heat on EVERY flight, but very few pilots do this.

Also, rampers sometimes leave puppies/kittens within feet of a howling APU (Auxiliary generator) That can produce as much as 150 decibels. Imagine being that puppy in pain from the noise. It would be a life altering event for them!! Especially as sensitive as their hearing is!!!!

I have tried in vain to advise MY company and ground personnel, but trust me THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR DOG/CAT. As long as your pet LIVES then it is acceptable to them.

I am POWERLESS to do anything so I am starting a campaign. Please help!! Call your local I-team TV investigators, they love this stuff. The FAA doesn't care, the airlines don't care 20/20 doesn't care. Please call them and ask them to do a story.

And most of all. DO NOT EVER, EVER SHIP YOUR PETS IN A CRATE. THEY COULD BE TRAUMATIZED FOR LIFE!! Make alternative plans for your pet. Carry them on board, drive or leave them at home.
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Old 01-16-2007, 01:43 AM
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What about moving from North Africa to North America with a big dog? I can't drive that or carry him on board.
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Old 01-16-2007, 09:13 AM
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I was wondering the same thing, sometimes people get pets from Germany, or other parts of the world. What can be done to keep them safe, since this siutation may be unaviodable.
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Old 01-16-2007, 02:29 AM
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Well, it is a bit difficult to drive from one continent to another. I had to fly a Boxer and 2 cats from South Africa to Switzerland ~ either that or rehome them, which certainly wasn't an option. It went very well and they arrived the other side none the worse for wear and were very excited to see us. When we returned from Europe back to SA, we had to fly our French Bulldog back with us ~ again, leaving her behind was totally out of the question. We flew with Lufthansa and I was on the same flight as her. I checked a billion times with the cabin crew to make sure that the pilot knew that there was (precious) cargo in the hold. Everything went very well, bearing in mind that it was a flight from Zurich to Frankfurt, then Frankfurt to Cape Town. My Frenchie was in her crate for plus minus 22 hours and walked out of it at Cape Town airport as though nothing had happened. I won't say I wasn't terrified, but sometimes we have no choice in the matter.
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Old 01-16-2007, 03:31 AM
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Hello and welcome and thank you for that info. I have heard that animals are not treated well on flights also knew a baggage handler that said they actually fling the containers holding these dear little ones . Think I will do what you say we have a great team here in Las Vegas that willl jump on something like that. Thanks.
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Old 09-19-2007, 06:54 PM
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Hello and welcome and thank you for that info. I have heard that animals are not treated well on flights also knew a baggage handler that said they actually fling the containers holding these dear little ones . Think I will do what you say we have a great team here in Las Vegas that willl jump on something like that. Thanks.

I HAD TO SHIP a Pomeranian full grown from midwest USA to Europe central. When he arrived with me on the same flight but he in cargo hold as AMERICAN airlines wont have it any other way. I was shocked to see his condition and how terrified he was, he pooped in his crate, was soaking wet from pee and all his water. there was NO more food in his crate, bowl was removed from door where it was supposed to be attached to.The poor animal suffered teremendously. I will never do that again. i will pay a higher price to take him on board and fly with a European carrier as they allow this.
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Old 01-16-2007, 05:00 AM
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I never ship my puppies. We decided a long time ago when we first started breeding Yorkies that we just couldn't do it and so we haven't. We either provide delivery service to the new owner's airport or allow the new owner to fly here and take the pup with them as carry-on. It is a little more expensive for the buyers but I don't have to worry about the conditions you are talking about. I can't imagine how stressful and frightening it is for puppies who are put in cargo holds of airplanes and I just won't put my babies through that. Good job you are doing to try to inform others of the risks to their dogs and puppies when they fly them cargo.
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Old 01-16-2007, 08:28 AM
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I've seen how they handle regular luggage. My dad and I watched them load our plane while waiting in the terminal and the guy would either throw luggage on the conveyor belt or slam it down. He could easily have picked up bags and placed them on the conveyor belt, but he chose to slam bags around. We hoped nobody had anything breakable in their luggage.
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Old 01-16-2007, 08:45 AM
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I've seen how they handle regular luggage. My dad and I watched them load our plane while waiting in the terminal and the guy would either throw luggage on the conveyor belt or slam it down. He could easily have picked up bags and placed them on the conveyor belt, but he chose to slam bags around. We hoped nobody had anything breakable in their luggage.
Those people have THOUSANDS of bags to handle in every kind of weather, plus pressure to keep the flight on time.

live animals are not to be placed on any conveyor, they are to be hand loaded.
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Old 01-16-2007, 08:50 AM
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Those people have THOUSANDS of bags to handle in every kind of weather, plus pressure to keep the flight on time.

live animals are not to be placed on any conveyor, they are to be hand loaded.
No, he picked up a bag and SLAMMED it down on the conveyor belt on purpose! He wasn't just tossing it on there.
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