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Old 08-09-2013, 02:42 PM
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Kinnda a spin off of Alicia's Thread on contracts. So if you where keeping a dog intact for a breeder in case he/she ends up breeding quality. Breeders what would you want to see on the contract for yourself and the owner. And Puppy owners, what would you like to see on the contract for yourself and from the breeder?

I should add this is not a co-own contract.

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In the odd event I would ever agree to such a contract.

As a buyer: I would expect the dog to be free. I am doing the breeder a HUGE favor raising that dog for him - socializing it - and taking all the risk on loss. I would be responsible for the feed bill and anything medical that would be incidental.

As a seller: I would expect the person to stay in touch. I would expect to pay all medical testing costs and show costs. I would also retain full ownership and treat this as a lease until terms of the contract are full filled.

Leerburg had a page awhile back on how foster breeding systems work.
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Old 08-09-2013, 03:22 PM
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I would be open to such a contract even with me paying for the dog but it would have to be someone I trust and know is on a very similar page as far as breeding programs go. I've seen things go badly when people have different ideals. I'd want to have some say in whether the dog gets bred and who to. I'd want age of the stud/dam and health tests required spelled out. And I'd want it spelled out beforehand how many litters we'd be doing.

But I see the value in keeping and breeding dogs that aren't owned by the primary breeder. I value genetic diversity above most else so especially in the less common breeds I'd be open to leaving a dog intact to breed if needed.
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Thanks guys for the input. So if you own the dog outright, what would you want your agreement when it comes to who pays for the heath testing and the vet bills when it comes to collecting the semen and should there be a stud fee?

I was thinking it would be fair of the breeder payed for all the health testing, and then there is no stud fee. And maybe you have the option of taking on of the pups.
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You pay for the health testing and then the breeder has to pay a stud fee and you maybe have an option of taking one of the pups at no cost.

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The breeders contracts that I have been a part of in the past (me purchasing the pup) was this:

Full purchase price and I paid for the health clearances, if said pup was of breeding quality then the breeder paid for the stud fee and took 1st and 2nd pick pups from the litter that I whelped out and paid for all vet costs. I also didn't have a choice on the stud.

For me as the breeder I don't expect my puppy buyers to agree to that ^^^ because I don't think it is really fair.

Pups are sold at full purchase price, and we hold off on s/n the pup. IF the pup matures into a breeding quality dog, then we do the health clearances which I pay for. Then we discuss which studs and who is going to whelp out the litter etc. I pay stud fee and all expenses. I would then take half the litter getting 1st and 3rd pick and so on. That said if the owner fell in love with a pup and it was pick and they wanted to keep it, I would agree and not be impossible to deal with. Hopefully that pup would be outstanding and I could get a pup from it in the future.

The goal is for everyone to be happy and since I hate breeding and only breed A bitch every 3-5 years my puppy people don't have to worry about it too much lmao. The goal is for me to carry on with my lines and get the dogs I want but that doesn't mean it comes at the expense of someone else.
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If it's a bitch, I won't place it on a breeding contract. I don't think it's fair to expect people to do that with their pet, breeding is hard and scary, and nobody should feel required to do so. If I don't want to keep and breed her myself, I would place her with someone with the understanding that they might consider breeding if she turns out, and I would like to be consulted on that choice (I'm assuming this is a novice. If I were placing a pup with an experienced breeder, I would go into it with different expectations, and would probably be co-owning.) If they did choose to breed, and I decided I wanted a pup for myself, I'd either buy it from them, or they could choose to give it to me out of the kindness of their hearts.

For myself, I wouldn't take a bitch pup I was required to breed. I would want to see how she turned out. I would be open to giving the breeder a puppy if I did choose to breed, depending on how much I paid for her.

With a dog, I don't feel as strongly about that, because the burden of the breeding is not on the stud owner. I'd still want to be comfortable that they knew what they were letting themselves in for. I would either get the health testing done myself, at my own expense, or they could choose to pay for it if they preferred using their own vet. (I don't want to wind up paying $400 for OFAs when I know I can get them done for $200) I would expect to not pay a stud fee to use him on my own bitch.

If I were getting a male pup myself, I would agree to terms like that.
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