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Old 07-28-2013, 05:31 PM
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As some of you may have guessed based on my past few threads, I am having issues finding a food that agrees with Abrams that I can afford to feed. So, instead of having a ton of different brands of food sitting around, I thought I'd see if anyone has any good recommendations, because I'm lost.

The breeder was feeding (and strongly recommended) Eukanuba Large Breed puppy food. When I brought him home at 7.5 weeks, I switched him cold turkey to Diamond Naturals Chicken and Rice. He did fine for a bit, then started having loose stool. I chalked it up to being a wormy puppy. Negative fecal. Then I chalked it up to him being hot (as it was WARM outside and we didn't have air). It still continued and didn't improve. His poos pretty much looked like cow patties.

So, I did another fecal. Negative. Did a giardia snap test. Negative. Begged the vet for some Metronidazole to see if that would help (as I was getting sick and tired of cleaning up nasty cow patty poos, and he was getting me up in the middle of the night/early morning to go poop outside). While he was on the antibiotics, his poop was pretty much normal. Started him on some probiotics to see if that would make a difference. Gave it a few weeks to see if it would "kick in", and nothing.

So, a couple of days ago, he had explosive diarrhea all over his crate at 1am. I said, "Fine, enough," and had Mike go and pick up some 4Health Salmon and Potato to see if that would firm up his stool. We switched him cold turkey. He's still on the probiotics.

The past two days he has had normal stool, but now he has RANCID farts. Like, bad. He's sleeping under my feet and I'm gagging about every five minutes due to another fart coming on. I'm happy his stools are normal, but at least I didn't have to smell his gross ones when I'm trying to relax!

The 4Health S&P is an adult maintenance food (which I didn't realize when I purchased it), so he is going to have to eat something else anyway. I just don't want to purchase yet another bag of food to only have it give him horrible gas/diarrhea. Which I realize will most likely happen, but I'd like to make the best decision, so at least if/when the food does disagree with him, it was my best choice and I don't kick myself for spending $$$ on food that isn't needed.

So, he was eating this:
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Ingredients:
Chicken, chicken meal, whole grain brown rice, white rice, cracked pearled barley, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), oatmeal, dried plain beet pulp, egg product, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, fish meal, vit., min., etc.

Guaranteed Analysis:
Protein: 26%, Fat: 16%
Nasty smelling soft served stools.

Switched to this:
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Ingredients:
Salmon, ocean fish meal, potatoes, peas, cracked pearled barley, egg product, millet, canola oil, tomato pomace, natural flavor, flaxseed, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, glucosamine hydrochloride, dried kelp, carrots, apples, tomatoes, blueberries, spinach, dried skim milk, cranberries, rosemary extract, parsley flake, yucca schidigera extract, vit., min., etc.

Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein 25.0% (min.), Crude Fat 14.0% (min.), Crude Fiber 3.0% (max.)
Nice, solid stools. NASTY farts.

Should I stick with something that is grain inclusive (thus trying to avoid maybe a potential potato/pea issue), but fish based? Or switch to something grain free (thus, potatoes/peas), but not fish or chicken based?

Halp?

(If you're going to give me brand name ideas, I need to keep it as cheap as possible. Like, around a dollar/pound. Which limits my options, I know...I've basically been looking at 4Health and the Diamond products at TSC, as the food sold at Petsmart and such is way too $$$ for the quality of the food. I can't spend $65 for a 30 pound bag. ALS is also ideal, because then I can feed it to Cynder, too.)
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Old 07-28-2013, 05:39 PM
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I dont know how much Acana is where you live, here its one of the cheaper good foods, but they have some limited ingredient foods.
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Old 07-28-2013, 06:03 PM
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I would stick with the 4Health for a while and add some yogurt and charcoal to his diet. Do you feed him any treats or anything besides the food?

I also like Natural Balance Limited Ingredient foods.

And if he gulps his food, get a bowl that deters gulping. If he's swallowing air, it will only make matters worse.

I feel for you. I know how it is... Every once in a while, both Shepherds eat something that disagrees with them and it's horrible in here for the next few days! I can't imagine dealing with it all the time.
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Old 07-28-2013, 06:07 PM
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I would try less food more frequently (split to 4 meals) and I would probably treat for giardia anyways. I have one who gets it if you look at him sideways - and yes... recurs no matter what the vet says.

This probably isn't a food specific issue. I suspect that it's just more food than his little puppy bod can handle right now or he's just not completely over the giardia thing. .
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:49 PM
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He never had giardia - I tested just in case. He had roundworms as a pup, which pyrantel cleared up.

We've also tried reducing his food intake...didn't do anything besides make him lean. I'm really not comfortable enough reducing it any more, especially now that he's eating a lower protien/fat/calorie food.

I can try feeding more frequently, but I'm not sure if my schedule will allow it. I can try mor.ing, evening, and then late night, but that will be about all I can do.
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He never had giardia - I tested just in case. He had roundworms as a pup, which pyrantel cleared up.

We've also tried reducing his food intake...didn't do anything besides make him lean. I'm really not comfortable enough reducing it any more, especially now that he's eating a lower protien/fat/calorie food.

I can try feeding more frequently, but I'm not sure if my schedule will allow it. I can try mor.ing, evening, and then late night, but that will be about all I can do.
You're not really reducing the amount- just the frequency so it's not one giant amount that his digestive system can't keep up with. Even if you leave him with a treat ball or kibble ball that dumps a few nuggets at a time when you leave for the day it's still better than making him sit on far too much food.
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Old 07-28-2013, 08:32 PM
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You're not really reducing the amount- just the frequency so it's not one giant amount that his digestive system can't keep up with. Even if you leave him with a treat ball or kibble ball that dumps a few nuggets at a time when you leave for the day it's still better than making him sit on far too much food.
Oh, that's a good idea. Didn't think of that.
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If feeding commercial foods, dogs should always have a grain-free, high protein food.
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If feeding commercial foods, dogs should always have a grain-free, high protein food.
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Normally I ignore your posts, but sometimes it's hard. While you do have plenty of good information and knowledge, you come across pretty conceited. There is no "always" when it comes to dogs. Some dogs do better on a grain inclusive diet. Not all dogs do well with grain free, and especially some of the higher protein grain free diets. And this is coming from somebody who feeds Orijen to two dogs (because surprise surprise, they do better on it than raw) and raw to her other two dogs and works in a natural pet food store. It's absurd to point out that you should only feed a certain type or a certain brand of food.

If you're going to continue to randomly pop in with information that 99% of the forum is aware of already, you could do so in a more friendly, informative manner and perhaps participate in other areas of the forum as well. Not that you haven't already been told that. You have a very "my way or the highway" attitude and it's aggravating.
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Normally I ignore your posts, but sometimes it's hard. While you do have plenty of good information and knowledge, you come across pretty conceited. There is no "always" when it comes to dogs. Some dogs do better on a grain inclusive diet. Not all dogs do well with grain free, and especially some of the higher protein grain free diets. And this is coming from somebody who feeds Orijen to two dogs (because surprise surprise, they do better on it than raw) and raw to her other two dogs and works in a natural pet food store. It's absurd to point out that you should only feed a certain type or a certain brand of food.

If you're going to continue to randomly pop in with information that 99% of the forum is aware of already, you could do so in a more friendly, informative manner and perhaps participate in other areas of the forum as well. Not that you haven't already been told that. You have a very "my way or the highway" attitude and it's aggravating.
Unfortunately you seem to have no idea what you are talking about nor am I remotely interested in your criticism or the fact that you don't read my posts.

BTW, there is no carnivore or obligate carnivore in the world that "does better on a grain inclusive diet".
And the so-called "higher protein diets" you mention aren't that high at all when you take into consideration a canine's ancestral diet is the same today, which is around 49% protein... and I couldn't care less what you feed your pets.

You confuse knowledge with conceit which is a character flaw on your part, not mine... I wish I was able to get this knowledge from someone years ago for the benefit of my pets.

As far as your back-handed compliment of having "plenty of good information and knowledge", if even one cat/dog benefits from it because their owner changes something because of it, it's worth it... and I'm happy to say that's happened many, many times... nothing to be conceited by spreading good info and recommending the best vets.
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