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Old 07-25-2013, 10:52 AM
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Any opinions on their dog treats? My dogs love them but the ones I have now have molasses in it not sure just how bad that is. http://www.bluedogbakery.com/index
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Old 07-26-2013, 07:02 AM
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I buy them all the time. I remember my one dog that was getting older and not eating as well needed me to make her some food. I was told to put molasses in it for some nutrients.
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I haven't heard of that specific brand, but molasses is fine.
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Old 07-26-2013, 03:49 PM
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They were the favorite treats that both Farley & Chloe loved
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Any opinions on their dog treats? My dogs love them but the ones I have now have molasses in it not sure just how bad that is. http://www.bluedogbakery.com/index
Of course all manufacturers of treats make them taste good to cats/dogs including the toxic ones that come from China and the ones that contained melamine in 2007 that sickened and killed huge unknown numbers of cats/dogs.

The only thing that matters in a pet food or treat is the ingredient list, for this example Blue Dog Bakery Peanut Butter & Molasses Flavor and there’s nothing good in it.

These treats basically contain nothing but carbohydrates in the form of starches and sugars, all of which are harmful to dogs.
Molasses certainly isn’t OK as an ingredient as it is almost all sugar and a whopping 84% carbohydrates; a dog’s natural diet is 6% carbohydrates.

Dogs don’t process carbohydrates whatsoever like humans do; dogs get their energy from protein and fats, not from carbohydrates.
Starches + sugars = carbohydrates = huge swings in blood sugar and insulin, insulin resistance and high blood sugar leading to obesity, diabetes, hypertension, cataracts, allergies and many more serious illness and disease often leading to premature death, similar to those found in humans.

Here’s what a really bad ingredient list looks like in treats: Unbleached wheat flour, whole wheat flour, blackstrap molasses, palm oil, whey, oats, natural caramel color, nonfat milk, egg powder, salt, baking soda, natural peanut butter flavor, brewers yeast.
Contains only 9% protein and a whopping 70% carbohydrates.

Here’s what a really good ingredient list looks like in treats: Angus beef liver, boneless Black Angus beef, Black Angus tripe (Guaranteed Fresh and Preservative-Free).
Contains 35% protein and only 8% carbohydrates.

The first ingredient list above is Blue Dog Bakery Peanut Butter & Molasses Flavor and the second is Orijen Black Angus Beef/Single-Source Biologically Appropriate Dog Treats.

Yes, there’s a huge, huge difference in price but an even bigger difference in nutrition for your dog... one contains almost all harmful ingredients and the other the exact opposite.

Without a doubt, the cheapest and most nutritious treats for cats/dogs are the ones pet owners make themselves.
Simply finely chop some chicken and liver, form into small pieces and put in a food dehydrator or at a very low oven temperature to evaporate the moisture.

Blue Dog Bakery can be bought at Walmart where they sell the worst of the worst pet foods including Ol’ Roy, Pedigree, Purina, Iams, etc.
There’s reasons why you can buy at Walmart a box of Blue Dog Bakery treats for under $5 and a 40 lb. bag of Ol’ Roy dog food for under $23.... and those reasons are very bad for cats/dogs.

Dr. Karen Becker, DVM wrote a couple of excellent articles on the good and bad ingredients in treats, including molasses: Stick With Safe and Nutritious Pet Treats and China Responds to U.S. Concerns About Tainted Pet Treats

We all want what’s good for our pets; the most important thing is to read the ingredient list on anything you feed your cat/dog and familiarize yourself with both the good and harmful ingredients.
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:52 PM
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Just exactly what IS a dogs natural diet?

For one, there isn't ANYTHING natural about a domesticated dog. They're a man made phenomena. They were built, designed, dreamt up by our ancestors for their uses, and I doubt.... I seriously DOUBT that they would have been fed on the prime and scarce meat cuts, cast off etc that you seem to think they were.

They were NOT catching their own prey. They were tools, expendable no doubt at times, and I very, very much doubt... our ancestors gave a hoot if the dogs were eating meals consisting of any old thing.

Feral dogs will scavenge and eat anything. Vegetable matter, meat, sometimes mineral for that matter. It's how dogs have done SO well being our companions.

You talk like dogs have evolved to only eat meat la la la. It simply can't be true, it can't be how they have existed for so many years. I am not talking IDEAL diet. But the diet they've had for hundreds, if not thousands, of years probably wasn't barf or perfectly raw at ALL.

I know what you're saying, but bejesus..... You do know pandas are omnivorous right??? You see what I'm saying with that right??? They don't just eat bamboo!!! You understand what I am saying here, don't you??? Physiology doesn't always dictate behaviour. Absolute and utter FACT.

So to say a "dogs natural diet", is actually pretty laughable on a zoological level... What IS a dogs natural diet I ask you???? Where are these natural dogs???


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You are correct in a lot of what you say Dizzy

Actually though one of the prevalent theories about how dogs became domesticated is that the wolves did it sort of themselves in a way.

The relationship and proximity to humans was adventageous for them and as it turns out for us. So both sides let it continue and benefited from it. It may have begun with something as simple as wolves scavenging from human midden heaps and cooperative hunting...

From there they developed in to landraces...breeds are a relatively new thing. So they are not entirely a man made phenomenon.

Most canids are skilled scavengers and can tolerate a wide range of food.

Now cats are obligate carnivores and must have meat...dogs are way more flexible

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I think my point is, that there is no natural dog diet as I'm not sure there is a natural modern domestic dog!

We can talk about historic dogs, wild dogs, wolves, but a modern domestic dog is no more natural than my ipad, neither is their diet.

They haven't been naturally fed for centuries.

Anyway, I did start a new thread to discuss it, as I'm interested to learn and discuss!!!

(Eta, my zoology degree was when I was 18, I can't remember bugger all from it lol. It sounds good though eh I spent far, far too much time expanding my mind and not my brain.... Oops).
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Just exactly what IS a dogs natural diet?

For one, there isn't ANYTHING natural about a domesticated dog. They're a man made phenomena. They were built, designed, dreamt up by our ancestors for their uses, and I doubt.... I seriously DOUBT that they would have been fed on the prime and scarce meat cuts, cast off etc that you seem to think they were.

They were NOT catching their own prey. They were tools, expendable no doubt at times, and I very, very much doubt... our ancestors gave a hoot if the dogs were eating meals consisting of any old thing.

Feral dogs will scavenge and eat anything. Vegetable matter, meat, sometimes mineral for that matter. It's how dogs have done SO well being our companions.

You talk like dogs have evolved to only eat meat la la la. It simply can't be true, it can't be how they have existed for so many years. I am not talking IDEAL diet. But the diet they've had for hundreds, if not thousands, of years probably wasn't barf or perfectly raw at ALL.

I know what you're saying, but bejesus..... You do know pandas are omnivorous right??? You see what I'm saying with that right??? They don't just eat bamboo!!! You understand what I am saying here, don't you??? Physiology doesn't always dictate behaviour. Absolute and utter FACT.

So to say a "dogs natural diet", is actually pretty laughable on a zoological level... What IS a dogs natural diet I ask you???? Where are these natural dogs???


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Being a court-recognized expert on canine/feline nutrition in six civil cases (so far), this is a subject I do know a thing or two about.

Regarding your comment ”there isn't ANYTHING natural about a domesticated dog”; actually, almost nothing has changed very much in the last 40 million years or so and there’s EVERYTHING natural about a domesticated dog now as there was then, both inside and out.
The webpage I wrote " Your Dog Is a Carnivore And a Domesticated Wolf " covers most points regarding this.

Regarding pandas, you’re confusing the taxonomic/phylogenetic term “carnivora” which defines a group of mammals all descended from a common ancestor with the general term carnivore (meat eater).
The common ancestor of carnivora was undoubtedly carnivorous but there are now several that aren’t strictly carnivores such as pandas, kinkajou, olingos, coatis, raccoons, etc.

The surviving pandas are the descendants of those that turned to bamboo in desperation. They are carnivores because they have the carnivore sharp teeth, gut bacteria and shortened gut - entirely wrong for a herbivorous lifestyle. They have to eat bamboo almost every waking hour to get enough food to survive and they die once their inadequate teeth are worn out.
Panda's will eat meat if they come across it. At some time in the recent past they were predators but their prey animals - whatever they were - must have disappeared or become too difficult for the panda to catch.

All lineages are free to evolve on their own and many have drifted away from “carnivory” but the domesticated dog is not one of them... the only reason people say they have is because of bad veterinarians who either are ignorant, know nothing about cat/dog nutrition, are unethical or all three along with companies making very low-quality commercial pet foods containing ingredients that may be dangerous at best and toxic at worst (saying grains, corn, soy, wheat, etc. are more "natural" for a dog than meat) along with those wonderful folks at “Big Pharma”.

85%-100% of a dog’s diet should be from a balanced, raw meat diet for optimum health but with almost all pet owners, that’s certainly not the case (less than 3% feed raw)... which is why up to 90% of all illness and disease in cats/dogs are now diet related.

A dog's natural diet is pretty close to 49% protein, 45% fat and only 6% carbohydrates; I wrote about this in another thread, saying “just go to show how bad most commercial pet foods really are with most being low in protein and super-high in carbs, with some "Prescription Diets" recommended and sold by most veterinarians containing up to 60% carbohydrates, 900% more than needed!... this is the main reasons for so many degenerative illness and disease caused by diet in cats/dogs”.

Other good articles include:

The Canine Ancestral Diet

The Ancestral Diet For Dogs

Further Thoughts on Pet Foods by Natasha Kassell, VMD
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Blue Dog Bakery can be bought at Walmart where they sell the worst of the worst pet foods including Ol’ Roy, Pedigree, Purina, Iams, etc.
There’s reasons why you can buy at Walmart a box of Blue Dog Bakery treats for under $5 and a 40 lb. bag of Ol’ Roy dog food for under $23.... and those reasons are very bad for cats/dogs.
Uh oh, here comes the hypocrisy!

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Talks are ongoing with Walmart, Loblaws, Costco, Target, Mondou and PetSmart. We have also been talking to international distributors worldwide. Internet and export sales are expected to exceed those mentioned in the business plan.
That is a direct quote from the website your name is displayed prominently as President.

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Is this or is it not, you? And if it is you, can you explain how you can ridicule people here for buying something from Walmart when you are in fact, hoping to market your "Best Dog Food EVAR" product there?

And if it's not you, I'd probably change my username on forums in the future so you don't lose your credibility. Oh wait...
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