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Old 03-23-2013, 06:53 AM
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Default Brachy breeds health vs quality?

I've had an idea rattling around in my head for a long time, ever since I inquired into bostons years and years ago, and was told that Bostons with a little bit of a snout length were "incorrect" and "horrid" and "no good breeder you want to be buying from would ever produce one". Which didnt jive with me, so I just walked away from the entire group entirely.

Now Im wondering if its possible to find a dog that is bred with just as much care, but with a lighter body, more leg, better angulation, and more muzzle, than its show counterparts? Particularly Frenchies, as they are a breed Id love to own, but I cant get over the fat cobby body and basically nonfunctioning nonexistant face

What is your take on it? Am I doomed to buy BYB Frenchies if I want one that can function?
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:14 AM
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Our boston is a byb and has a longer snout. We didn't know better when we got him..but somehow he is healthier than a lot of bostons we see. He can hike 3+ miles with me and can even swim
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Old 03-23-2013, 08:27 AM
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Depends what you mean by byb.

There are people out there that breed dogs like bulldogs, pugs, Boston's, etc with less extreme faces. Some of them health test, and many have therapy dogs or dogs titled in some way other than Confo or via breed clubs. Not easy to find, but they're out there.
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:52 AM
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http://www.htpuppiescb.com/

This is a website that lists breeders who health test and there is a boston breeder on there, she also breeds poodles and is a vet, so she'd be one person to contact and ask. I did superdogs years ago and there was a boston or two then that did everything and was quite cool. I don't think it was a byb dog either. It's a reasonable request IMO so there shouldn't be a problem with finding a few breeders that would work with you. May not be 'next door' but road trips to get puppies are fun (until you have the risk of getting arrested of course.... but hey... ).
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You could always go for the cheap knock-ff and get a Boston mix like Lola



Her snout is way long but she never has any trouble with swimming, running, or slobbering.
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Old 03-23-2013, 08:33 PM
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her snout isn't long, dogs are supposed to have a muzzle. They're supposed to be able to breath without snorting and wheezing. They're supposed to be able to run or at least trot for long distances. The problem with a lot of dogs, is they're snouts are too short I swear some people won't be happy till they can breed a dog who's nose is coming out of it's own ass.
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That is not true for ALL breeds. The collie breed standard actually specifically states that the dogs should NOT be fat. There are plenty, PLENTY of other breeds I've seen in the ring that are also not even close to fat.
Well it also says in the pug standard they should have the hardness of developed muscle...

Put your hands on most of them though? Some might be hard, but its that hard fat with barely any muscle tone because the dogs don't do anything to build muscle. Most of them can't at the state they're in and their owners don't want to bother either.
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Whether it is an indictment of show breeders or not, if I were to look at the two photos Fran posted, I know which one I'd take. Standard or not, able to run or not, I know that dogs are supposed to have a muzzle. I would not choose to get one that didn't, even if that particular dog functioned decently without it, because I can't believe that *every* dog bred in the quest to get that look has remained 100% functional.
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*I* want a dog with some muzzle, maybe 1" to 1.5", with better structure than a show Frenchie. And maybe a tail. a real tail, ffs.
That's not a Frenchie though...

Sounds more like a staffy.
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:22 PM
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Of the breeds I am interested in owning there isn't a huge line between looks for well and BYB, probably because they are both covered in hair, the difference between well and BYB is health.

But for other breeds I prefer the show lines generally, biggest exception being German Shepherds. I love show Chihuahuas, I love the little round heads, lol. But if everyone liked the same thing we wouldn't have the number of breeds we do today.

I personally prefer breeders who breed to the standard set by breed clubs, but there are some breeds that I don't agree with what they have become. Bulldogs, pugs, pekes and frenchies rank high on that list, the issues that are purposely being bred into them are deplorable, IMO. Which is why I, personally, prefer breeders who breed a dog that can compete in the show ring, then turn around and do some sort of trials, weather it's obedience, field or what have you.
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