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Old 10-21-2012, 09:14 PM
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Our city will be voting on whether or not to add fluoride to the drinking water next month. My mind's pretty much made up to vote no, but I am curious what effects it can have on dogs.

I've read that it can contribute to everything from behavior changes to osteosarcoma. Does anyone have any reputable sources to back this up?
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Old 10-21-2012, 09:19 PM
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We have fluoridated water. Always have. While we drink filtered tap water including the dogs, we don't remove the fluoride. Can't say I know anyone with issues from fluoride.
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Old 10-21-2012, 09:23 PM
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My concerns are more environmental. Fluoride bio-accumulates in plants and animals. I'm more concerned of acute toxicity when levels reach a certain point. Just because it's presumed to be safe now doesn't mean it won't be harmful later. After all, DDT was once thought to be relatively safe, and it crippled many raptor populations.
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Old 10-21-2012, 09:32 PM
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why municipalities vote "yes" so industrial waste can be dumped into their water supply i'll never understand.

Beyond that why add it? Reallly why? who cares if it has never harmed anyone (I'm not saying it has or hasn't) but let's just say it's a 100% intert substance of which there could be zero detriments associated with it. Show me a single benefit of putting in a water supply other than somebody has a market to sell some industrial waste.

Does it make people smarter or something? It certainly doesn't do anything for teeth that's positive being added to a drinking supply. We've known that for decades, but yet they still try and cling to that argument and try and find more places to dump their crap.
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Old 10-21-2012, 09:37 PM
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I would SOOOO vote no!

That being said, we have had it for a long time and I do not buy bottled water for the dogs. But just because I personally have not had issued directly linked to it does not mean I think it s safe.
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I've read that it can contribute to everything from behavior changes to osteosarcoma. Does anyone have any reputable sources to back this up?
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Fluoridation was not found to be a risk factor for osteosarcoma in the study population. The trend in the data from this small sample study suggests the hypothesis that a protective effect may exist against the formation of osteosarcoma for individuals consuming fluoridated water.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2022786

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Does it make people smarter or something? It certainly doesn't do anything for teeth that's positive being added to a drinking supply. We've known that for decades, but yet they still try and cling to that argument and try and find more places to dump their crap.
There are plenty of studies backing fluoridated water and dental health..

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This study demonstrates the continued community effectiveness of water fluoridation and provides support for the extension of this important oral health intervention to populations currently without access to fluoridated water.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20873281

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Water fluoridation, where technically feasible and culturally acceptable, remains a relevant and valid choice as a population measure for the prevention of dental caries.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19772843
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For those who say its not safe.. do you have any studies to back that up? Living in the country my only exp with it as a kid where we would be given fluoride mouth rinses at school once a month.

Is it actually dangerous? Or is this more of a OMG a chemical in my water deal? Maf's links look legit to me....
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For those who say its not safe.. do you have any studies to back that up? Living in the country my only exp with it as a kid where we would be given fluoride mouth rinses at school once a month.

Is it actually dangerous? Or is this more of a OMG a chemical in my water deal? Maf's links look legit to me....
they certainly do look legit I guess I'll have to go find a few myself. As I've understood for years, the data showing increased flouride in water with a decrease in dental caries was loose at best and often touted as "proof". It was often shown that injesting Flouride had no effect on a persons dentition, and when drinking water, the enamel wasn't subjected to the flouride long enough to have any influence on the teeth.

The long rinses of flouride, like those given occassionaly in schools were different and did have an effect on the teeth.

anyway, here's an interesting read
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...12+PRN20120724
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"The children in high fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ than those who lived in low fluoride areas," write Choi et al.
anyway, back to teeth,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18978383
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CONCLUSIONS:

There is weak and inconsistent evidence that the use of fluoride supplements prevents dental caries in primary teeth. There is evidence that such supplements prevent caries in permanent teeth. Mild-to-moderate dental fluorosis is a significant side effect.
Anyway, As to not get into a linking battle with the one who gives the last link "winning", I'll give my last opinion on the matter.

It does occur naturally in water, in some areas it seems to be beneficial when looking at tooth health, in other areas it appears to have other detriments in the populations health when expanding your vision beyond the teeth.

But we're not talking about either, we're talking about letting industrial waste being dumped into your municipal water supply for something that has little if any effect on your teeth. If YOU believe flouride is that beneficial to you and will give you the teeth you've always dreamed of and believe that it will have no other effects on your health or body, then go to the store and buy it for yourself. It really is that simple.

If this was the ONLY way to get decent teeth, i'd say people have an argument of dumping this in your water supply. Seems to me a tooth brush and some floss will go a lot further along in that regard than dumping industrial waste into your drinking water. That and getting all the sugar and grain out of your mouth.
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For those who say its not safe.. do you have any studies to back that up?
I had read a long time ago that all the fluoride studies that claimed it was good for teeth were falsified.

I don't know if this site might help you.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/
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I had read a long time ago that all the fluoride studies that claimed it was good for teeth were falsified.

I don't know if this site might help you.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/
Well to be fair, anybody could have written that. I mean, I'm sure I could read somewhere that what you read was falsified.

I really have no opinion on the matter, I just found that amusing.
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