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Old 10-20-2012, 02:45 PM
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Default Faulty/Undesirable Colors

What coat colors or patterns are not allowed or faulted in your breed? What colors or patterns are undesirable? I thought it would be neat to see all the taboos of our breed's coat colors all in one spot!

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Allowed Colors - All naturally-occurring colors to the Sibe are allowed.
Not allowed - Recessive red, Merle, albinism and roaning/ticking do not exist in the Sibe. Any dogs displaying these colors are usually products of outcrosses to other breeds, mistakenly or otherwise.
Anything else - There aren't any colors that are "undesirable" but there are a lot of uncommon colors, like tan point/black and tan without white and saddle back. Solid colored dogs aren't too terribly common, either. No colors are linked to health issues. Pinto in the Sibe does NOT cause deafness.
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Old 10-20-2012, 02:54 PM
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In borzoi everything is allowed, but merle doesn't exist in the breed.

Liver and blue exist. I've never ever seen or heard of a liver dog though. They're acceptable, but not as desirable because they're supposed to have black nose and lip pigment with black eye rims and dark eyes. That said, plenty of nice blue dogs have finished their CHs so it's not that big of a deal.

The most common colors I see are anything with white spotting. Tricolor, red, gold, cream, and sable. Less common are brindle, sable, and self colors. Dominant self black and silver sable are probably the two rarest. I still can't believe Kaia had six silver sables.
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Old 10-20-2012, 02:58 PM
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Disqualification-- Yellow, cream or any color other than black or liver.
So black, liver, or no breed ring.

In reality, yellow's the only color seen besides black and liver. From back in the days when they split yellow off to Golden Retrievers. They still pop up periodically because it's a recessive but it's just an incredibly small portion of the breed that carries yellow that it doesn't happen very often. Besides there's a gene test for yellow so folks can check if it's something they want to avoid.
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Old 10-20-2012, 03:40 PM
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As long as the leather is black no one cares what the color is. They are however a marked breed - mismarks aren't really frowned on but they are part of the process.
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Old 10-21-2012, 02:09 PM
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As long as the leather is black no one cares what the color is. They are however a marked breed - mismarks aren't really frowned on but they are part of the process.
Mismarks happen but you can't really show them. AKc DQs a solid white dog and faults dogs with white ears or over the eyes enough that you don't see them shown. However split faces and solid white faces happen often enough in the breed. This one I get because of concerns about deafness.

I've seen blue and liver leather happen in the breed too, and that's also faulted. Leather other than black is severely faulted in the AKc. No idea why. Doesn't occur often in the breed though.

Solid colors (ruby, black and tan, solid black) used to occur in papillons but were written out of the standards seemingly after the color vanished in the breed. I am not sure why they were written out. I've asked breeders I know and no one has a good explanation. Two theories I've heard. 1. Solids were seen as evidence of a cross to something (maybe pom or other spitz) that caused the erect ears. That makes no sense to me since other spaniels often come in ruby and black and tan and solid black. 2. Solids were accidentally bred out in favor of the flashier white marked dogs. Since piebald is recessive all dogs kept were piebald and no solid genes remained. Honestly, I have no idea.

End result though is now all paps are piebald and solid is genetically impossible in the modern breed.
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Old 10-20-2012, 04:43 PM
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Colors Red, Fawn, Black, Blue, White, any shade of Brindle or any of these colors and white (Pied).
Undesirable Black and Tan (the pattern) and Liver.

Merle is not mentioned in the standard, but would definitely be a disqualification as it is not found in the breed and would only show up as a result of mixing.

ETA: Though B&T and Liver are disqualifications in the breed, they occasionally show up in litters. This doesn't mean the dogs are mixed, but they can't be shown and should not be bred.
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ETA: Though B&T and Liver are disqualifications in the breed, they occasionally show up in litters. This doesn't mean the dogs are mixed, but they can't be shown and should not be bred.
For some things, I understand this-- merle, for example. Albino Dobes. But for something like black and tan or liver... what is the benefit of selecting against that?
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For some things, I understand this-- merle, for example. Albino Dobes. But for something like black and tan or liver... what is the benefit of selecting against that?
What I've heard is that B&T is dominant and it could eventually lead to the breed becoming mostly B&T. I've also heard that it's a sign that another breed has been mixed in because B&T isn't found in bulldogs. Though it is found in some terriers, so that doesn't make sense to me. Whatever the case is, that's the standard. Why aren't Dobermans and Rotties allowed to be colours other than B&T? Why must the Dogue de Bordeaux be fawn? Why can't Mastiffs be piebald? Why? It's the standard.
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I thought black and tan was recessive to most other colors?
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I thought black and tan was recessive to most other colors?
Wouldn't know. I was just repeating what I'd heard. I don't know the real reason.
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