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Old 10-09-2012, 02:00 PM
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Rather than continually derail threads with this topic, how 'bout we hash it out?

When is it okay, IS it ever okay to hit your dog?

I admit it right now. I hit my dogs. I do it 99.9 percent of the time in play and 3 of the 4 are very rough and tumble and LOVE being smacked around. Bates also loves having his cheeks grabbed. I bite him too But not often because it suck to pick dog hair out from between your teeth.

But I'd be lying if I said I've never gotten frustrated with one of my dogs to the point of jerking the leash or otherwise trying to physically retaliate. I'm not much of a hitter, but I think if I were, I would have. I imediately felt bad though and apologized to both the dog and myself for allowing things to get to that point.

So I guess what I'm saying is I understand those moments of extreme frustration where we do things we regret. But does that make it okay?
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:09 PM
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when the dog is commiting or about to commit an act which could result in death or serious injury of a person, the dog or another animal whose death or injury is NOT desirable, it is entirely acceptable to strike said dog in order to cause an immediate change in said dog's interest in the act.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:15 PM
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when the dog is commiting or about to commit an act which could result in death or serious injury of a person, the dog or another animal whose death or injury is NOT desirable, it is entirely acceptable to strike said dog in order to cause an immediate change in said dog's interest in the act.
Yes very much this. I have hit and kicked dogs that were about to kill or attack something (cat, other dog). Its not a matter of training, but a matter of life and limb prevention.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:10 PM
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So I guess what I'm saying is I understand those moments of extreme frustration where we do things we regret. But does that make it okay?
I do not think it is ever okay unless you, other people, other animals are in danger.

I definitely lost my temper and have done things I regret, but never felt "okay" about it.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:19 PM
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I do not think it is ever okay unless you, other people, other animals are in danger.

I definitely lost my temper and have done things I regret, but never felt "okay" about it.
These.

If it is something that is putting herself or others in danger, she has been hit on the ass for it. Such as deciding to lie down in the middle of the street and refuse to budge. (I swear she can make herself weigh 500lbs when she's stubborn) Basically, if the choice is to hit or have serious consequences (in the case of the road, she is hit and injured or killed), hitting is going to win.

She also enjoys being beat for play I was actually beating up on her yesterday and she kept leaning in for more, as I was trying to prove a point to my mother Even when I HAVE hit her for things such as laying in the middle of the road and making herself weigh 500lbs, I'm pretty sure she moved because she was enjoying the "play" xD
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:56 PM
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I do not think it is ever okay unless you, other people, other animals are in danger.

I definitely lost my temper and have done things I regret, but never felt "okay" about it.
This.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:14 PM
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I think we have all been there and no it doesn't make it right. I am a 'cross over trainer', use to use some corrections, the alpha rolls, dominance etc because that is what we were taught. But I quickly got away from it, I didn't like the way my dogs were looking at me. I was annoyed with myself, I had spent my live working with horses and had figured out that being in conflict with didn't work. Had figured out that I got better results by teaching them what I wanted and using rewards. Called myself an idiot for following the dog training trends at the time and then changed it.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:17 PM
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MOD HAT IN PLACE:

Based on how the other threads went, I'm going to say this now rather than later. This is the only warning we'll issue in this thread. It's a great topic for discussion. If it degenerates into name calling or other rules violations, the guilty parties will be "spanked" appropriately.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:26 PM
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MOD HAT IN PLACE:

Based on how the other threads went, I'm going to say this now rather than later. This is the only warning we'll issue in this thread. It's a great topic for discussion. If it degenerates into name calling or other rules violations, the guilty parties will be "spanked" appropriately.

Threats?
Positive punishment?
Striking us?

Eddie! Sheesh! You should know better than this. Here's your alternative:
"My, my...I'm so proud of you so far for discussing this topic in a civil and polite way. Here, I am giving you $10.00 for all of the posts you've written which are full of love and kindness."


I agree. When you need to shove, kick, yank, whatever to avoid a potential fight or keep a dog from hurting himself or others...well, ya gotta do what you gotta do. But as far as training or just losing your temper, no. Not right. Those kinds of things, no matter how mild have no place in training or interacting with a dog. And that goes for yelling, shouting or being intimidating verbally/emotionally.

Playing rough, slapping a dog when he knows you're playing and is having fun is an entirely different thing than bewildering a dog with anger or something that confuses him.
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Yeah, I agree with Locke. I don't think it's acceptable in average situations, but I've done it and regretted it every second. I think when it gets to the point that physical confrontation is called for in a training or everyday behavior situation, the best solution is to put your dog away, leave the house and cool off. I know I get downright hysterical with Wesley sometimes, but I know he's just doing what is natural for a 4 1/2 month old BC puppy with too much energy. We all have things to improve on ourselves, and I think dogs help with that. What I worry about is people who get so comfortable hitting their dogs that it becomes a training tool and a frequent occurance.
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