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Old 04-13-2012, 09:01 PM
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Again. I'm really trying to do this next dog as right as right can be. I'm going to be pretty picky when it comes to this dog. Got a few breeds on the list, but would like to start talking to breeders including BC breeders. The other main breed I already have the breeder picked if I go that route. Looking for 2014 most likely.

I have a few names I'm looking at but would like to hear from some more BC savvy people as well.

You guys know what I tend to like. Main focus for said dog will be agility. Will probably dabble in something else but I want this to be my first 'for serious' agility dog.

Must haves:
- Full health testing. Breeder must also stand behind their pups if a health problem occurs. I don't expect no health issues ever (unrealistic) but I do expect a breeder to do their best and to offer advice if something happens. This is priority #1 for me at this point in time.
- Well balanced temperament. I want a dog that is nice to live with. However, my 'nice to live with' standards might be a bit skewed lol.
- Must be some kind of performance oriented breeder, not a conformation breeder. Sports or work are both fine by me
- Breeder must be okay with dog being AKC registered (at least a performance listing). Most trials around here are AKC and I don't want to limit myself. I know a lot of working breeders won't allow this.

Prefer:
- Would prefer a breeder that allows pups to be kept intact.
- Smaller scale breeder. 1-3 litters a year max
- Breeder in the US, Canada would be okay too if they'll ship

I swear I had more requirements but I can't think of them at the moment.

One issue I'm running into is the working full time thing. How do you go about convincing a breeder that you will be a good candidate for a pup if you work full time? I'm definitely thinking dog walker or something of that sort. Not sure.

Also if you have some breeders to definitely stay away from let me know. (Pm works too)
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Old 04-13-2012, 09:13 PM
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Hmm maybe try Martha?

Her kennel is Marcar Border Collies, but she's here in my area, in BC Canada. She health tests a lot for a working breeder and has health guarantees (although I can't remember if it's lifetime or over a few years for hips).

I'm not sure how she feels about AKC registration but I do know she sells to performance and active pet homes. She's one of the top kennels on my list right now.

She also breeds only 1-2 litters every 2-3 years and doesn't produce a lot of puppies. A few people around here have great things to say about her and one lady I know is trialing 2 of her dogs and doing very well.

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Old 04-13-2012, 09:17 PM
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One issue I'm running into is the working full time thing. How do you go about convincing a breeder that you will be a good candidate for a pup if you work full time? I'm definitely thinking dog walker or something of that sort. Not sure.
Trust me, Lar. If you tell the breeder about yourself and your plans for the dog, he/she won't CARE that you work full time. You're better than AT LEAST 75% of the people he/she'll get inquiries from.

I'd tell the breeder that you're prepared to hire a dog walker if the puppy is having a hard time with you at work full time, but you're doing x,y,z things to make sure the puppy is ok with you being gone.
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Old 04-13-2012, 09:34 PM
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Trust me, Lar. If you tell the breeder about yourself and your plans for the dog, he/she won't CARE that you work full time. You're better than AT LEAST 75% of the people he/she'll get inquiries from.

I'd tell the breeder that you're prepared to hire a dog walker if the puppy is having a hard time with you at work full time, but you're doing x,y,z things to make sure the puppy is ok with you being gone.
Thanks! I sometimes feel like there's no way I'll be good enough for a breeder like the kind I'd want to get a pup from. I think part of it is just the idea of going with something new and not having said experience with the breed. But we've all got to start somewhere.
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- Breeder must be okay with dog being AKC registered (at least a performance listing). Most trials around here are AKC and I don't want to limit myself. I know a lot of working breeders won't allow this.

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- Would prefer a breeder that allows pups to be kept intact.
Keep in mind, I'm pretty sure you can't get a performance listing with an intact dog, so those two things may contradict themselves. A friend of mine had to deal with that issue recently; her first BC got accepted into the AKC intact because they were still letting in outside dogs or something. Her second from the same breeder she could not get registered or ILP or whatever the options were, because he was still intact.
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Keep in mind, I'm pretty sure you can't get a performance listing with an intact dog, so those two things may contradict themselves. A friend of mine had to deal with that issue recently; her first BC got accepted into the AKC intact because they were still letting in outside dogs or something. Her second from the same breeder she could not get registered or ILP or whatever the options were, because he was still intact.
Yep, that's one problem. If push comes to shove, I'd rather get a dog that can be PAL'd. If I need to neuter, then so be it as long as I get to wait until the dog is fully grown. I'd prefer both but I am willing to compromise on that.
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Old 04-14-2012, 09:11 AM
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Contact Point or Hob Nob.

I train with a lot of HN dogs, they're pretty fool proof. I also train with a few CP dogs and Iam blown away by their speed, drive, and love their tiny sizes.

There is also Hillcrest with some pretty awesome dogs, I would like to research them further.


I have a few friends with ranch collies but they tend to be ABCA and not AKC, they also vary a lot in temp where the HN and CP seem to be pretty predictable, even if they are primarily sporter collies.
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Old 04-14-2012, 09:30 AM
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What kinds of temperaments are you seeing out of both sets of dogs? I've noticed a lot of DA in the local sports bred collies I've trained with. That is one thing that does concern me about going with a sporter. I either absolutely love them or I think the dogs are obnoxious but that probably depends on the handler too. The obnoxious ones I know come with obnoxious handlers, lol.

I have only been around trial bred dogs at actual stockdog trials. They are certainly impressive in that arena but I don't see them around agility.

I like the idea of ABCA regged dogs more than AKC but I'm realizing around here to limit yourself to non akc venues will be really limiting. Oklahoma is not exactly the hotbed of dog sports and trials. Someone who breeds ABCA dogs but will allow sports owners to PAL or do a limited reg with the AKC would be ideal.

I'm going to start trying to hit up a lot of trials this next year, hopefully both stock and agility. Try to see what is out there a bit more.
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What kinds of temperaments are you seeing out of both sets of dogs? I've noticed a lot of DA in the local sports bred collies I've trained with. That is one thing that does concern me about going with a sporter. I either absolutely love them or I think the dogs are obnoxious but that probably depends on the handler too. The obnoxious ones I know come with obnoxious handlers, lol.

I have only been around trial bred dogs at actual stockdog trials. They are certainly impressive in that arena but I don't see them around agility.

I like the idea of ABCA regged dogs more than AKC but I'm realizing around here to limit yourself to non akc venues will be really limiting. Oklahoma is not exactly the hotbed of dog sports and trials. Someone who breeds ABCA dogs but will allow sports owners to PAL or do a limited reg with the AKC would be ideal.

I'm going to start trying to hit up a lot of trials this next year, hopefully both stock and agility. Try to see what is out there a bit more.
The CPs & HNs I know tend to be pretty dog tolerant. Over all they are more focused on their owners and their toys though.

Patron is an HN dog and he's in a fair number of my photo threads, he loves my dogs, he's just so happy to be around dogs. On thursday his owner was cleaning the carpets so she dropped him off at my work and I set him loose with 4 goldendoodles, a lab, a little corgi mixed breed, and another border collie, it took him maybe 5 minutes of adjusting and then he spent the day having a blast playing. He did however try and entice dogs to chase him through the weaves, over the teeter, up the aframe, into tunnels, and anything other way he could incorporate agility and dog play. He's a pretty cool dog really. IME most of the other HN dogs are like this, they can be a little less dog friendly but they're at least dog social.
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Ayumi is a CP dog and she's in a fair number of my photos too. She's dog tolerant, like she'll let Sloan sniff her, but she's not dog friendly like she'll seek out a dog to play. Honestly she doesn't want much in life except a ball and maybe sheepies when she sees them.
(at flyball, humorously we train agility with both of these dogs and I only have photos of them trying other sports it seems)


I personally, for my style, would prefer a CP sporter collie but I know a lot of people who are adamant against them and prefer ranch dogs. Oh and if you do go with CP, don't tell her she has sporter collies. LOL
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:31 AM
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Oh and if you do go with CP, don't tell her she has sporter collies. LOL
OT bur for those that know, is Sporter Collie an insult? Do most BC breeders who focus on sports not appreciate it? Or Elegy, do you not like it if Steve's called a Sporter Collie?

I ask because honestly, I think it's fun to say and shorter than Sport Bred Border Collie so I do use that term but if it's insulting I'd move away from saying it.

ETA: Patron is so cool looking, I love seeing pictures of him
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