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Old 02-15-2010, 10:55 PM
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omg I have way too many questions about this dog. I'm sorry. lol. I should have picked an easier breed.

I posted a while ago about Juno's constant whine whine whine. And she's still horrible about it. However recently I have been thinking, maybe it is possible she is just OVERstimulated? I don't think it really explains why she would whine during her class (but maybe it does?), but it does seem like a logical explanation for why she wanders around the house whining, or when she finally does lie down and chew on a toy, she's whining during the whole thing.

If she's not sleeping, she's doing SOMEthing. During the day when I'm gone, she's at home with my mom running around the house with my mom's daycare. I take her for walks, we go to the dog park, we do training sessions (and this one has increased since the Dog Trick blog!), we play fetch. If she's awake, she needs that constant interaction. Very very rarely does she just grab a toy and chew on it quietly. She drops it in my lap 100 times and then finally, after being ignored each time, she very NOISILY will lay down with it. I know this has been brewing since she was a wee pup. From the start I've always felt that the only way to tire her out and keep her calm was to keep providing her with things to do. I've always felt guilty crating her for even short periods of time (for a while after we first got her, my mom would BEG me to go to a friend's house or just mosy around Target, ANYthing to get me away from the dog for a bit). I'm starting to wish she would have been crated more as a pup, and maybe she'd be more used to just relaxing.... I'm thinking there is a fine line between being understimulated and being overstimulated, and I just may have crossed that line... I know the energy the breed has and so I've always tried to give her an outlet for that energy, I didn't want to be that owner that does nothing with their dog. And now I feel so bad when all I want to do is relax for a bit, and Juno wants someone to do something with her. I mean I can't even sit down and watch a movie or a hockey game unless it's later in the evening so I know Juno will sleep.

I guess another thing to maybe "prove" my point. We used to go to the dog park just on the weekends, maybe an extra night here and there. And 30-45 minutes would be enough to wipe her out the rest of the day, and she'd even still be pretty mellow the next day as well. The past few weeks, we have been going Every. Single. Day. For 1-2 hours at a time. At first I thought it was a fabulous idea and I thought this would keep her mellow. But, and I should have known this because I've seen this caution about physical exercise... now that we've been going so frequently, even 2 hours at the park does not tire her out the same way that 30 minutes used to. We get home and she might sleep for an hour or 2, but then she's up again waiting for more to do.

Basically, Juno will not turn OFF. She certainly has an on-switch but I can't seem to find an off-switch with her, I don't know how to fix this. And I know that anything I do now will make me feel even MORE guilty than I already do, because now she is sooo used to constantly going.
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Old 02-16-2010, 08:23 PM
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Sounds like you have yourself a well driven dog, only some misdirected energy.

More exercise is needed for redirection I think. Maybe try long brisk bike rides with the dog beside you. You'll have to go slowly at first to teach a safe run beside your bike. Good Luck. Your dog will love you for it.
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Old 02-16-2010, 08:29 PM
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I would start doing the relaxation protocol. She needs less to do really. I think you've hit the nail on the head with overstimulation. Less is more.
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Old 02-16-2010, 11:20 PM
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I would start doing the relaxation protocol.
What's that?

She actually hasn't been showered with interaction the past couple days and she hasn't gone bonkers because of it. No idea what that's about, lol. There's been no dog park, just trick training and walks.

If she lays down or plays with a toy without pestering me with it, I praise her with a "good girl" and maybe some petting, but I try to keep it minimal because I don't want her to get excited and think it's time to get up or time to play tug of war, you know? I should start keeping treats in convenient locations haha so I can easily grab them and toss them to her, without her realizing I'm doing something and coming over to investigate.

Thanks guys I feel like I say this EVERY time I have an "issue" with her, but I really think she'd be a super enjoyable dog to live with if she could just learn to chill out in the house.
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Old 02-16-2010, 09:37 PM
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I teach an off switch by rewarding brief moments of calm (or whatever she offers you) as often as possible. You simply build on it

if shes pacing and whining...wait her out...she will eventually lay down...when shes not looking...toss som' treats at her. If she stays laying down, treat her again...if she gets up, wait her out again.
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How are you guys doing now? I'm having the same problem at the moment and am interested if it's working out for you.
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She's still the same. I often wonder if her issues are indicative of a thyroid problem but that's quite a long story. I've started thinking that maybe her pacing around the house whining is due to anxiousness, not just because she's trying to make me miserable lol. Sometimes she'll start whining the moment she wakes up (literally--she barely gives herself enough time to even lift her head up), and so to me that sounds like less of a stimulation problem. Some days are better than others. I've also noticed that she seems a little calmer, and quieter, in her classes if I massage her ears a bit beforehand.
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I've also noticed that she seems a little calmer, and quieter, in her classes if I massage her ears a bit beforehand.
Sounds like she might respond well to T-touch.
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