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Old 09-03-2009, 03:12 PM
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So, I've probably posted three different threads about breeds I'm curious about but Zoom pointed out a few I'd never thought of. I've always wanted to have a guardian breed dog in the house since that's what I grew up with and what I love but Justin isn't big on any of the bully or short coated breeds.

Zoom pointed me in the direction of the Kuvasz and Anatolian and they both look lovely to me So, what do people know, if anything about these breeds?

Other breeds I'm interested in include: Tervurens, Aussies, GSDs and similarly longer coated dogs.
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Old 09-03-2009, 07:33 PM
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Kuvasz and Anatolian are both LiveStock Guardian Dogs. Territorial and somewhat independent. If you are interested in this type of dog PM Planet Molosser. She is an excellent breeder of Central Asian Shepherds which is a Livestock Guardian Breed. I am sure she'll know plenty about the breeds you mentioned.

They have a different temperament than some of the other dogs you mentioned like the GSD.
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Old 09-03-2009, 09:51 PM
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I used to house-sit for a Kuvasz. Keeping in mind that it was NOT the ideal home for the dog (owners had always had Maltese, and wanted a white dog that would be protective of the elderly owners when they were home), I was not a big fan of the dog. Huge barker - I drove home at 2 am finally to get some sleep, because the dog was barking non-stop the first night - at me. I have no doubt she would have bitten in many situations.

The only other one I've known was an actual LGD, and couldn't have cared less about people. She lived outside with her alpaca herd, and did her job.

I assume there is some happy medium between those two extremes!
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most LGDs are huge barkers as they try to drive off threats w/a noisy & aggressive display before engaging.
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:26 PM
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I've had a chance to talk to several people who had Kuvasz -- people who had done their research and not just bought them because they thought they looked cool -- and they did stress that if you want an affectionate dog the Kuvasz is NOT the dog you're looking for.
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Old 09-04-2009, 01:11 AM
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Haven't had any personal experience with them aside from casual meet and greeting, but Tibetan mastiffs might be something to look into. The ones I met were really affectionate with their immediate family, and seemed very stable and balanced. Beyond that I can't tell you anything.

Do akitas count? I think, technically they are a hunting dog, but they share a lot of traits with LGDs as far as intelligence, wariness of strangers, etc. and I think they have been used in the capacity of LGDs in the past.

Our neighbor had a gsd/anatolian mix (mom was pure anatolian) when I was a kid. She wasn't very well trained, but her basic personality was of a large boisterous happy dog that loved kids and loved having fun and loved chewing on stuff. I don't ever remember her guarding anything, but then again she knew us and I was just a kid.

Actually, a good afghan hound will be defensive of family and their home turf (unlike most hounds). And they are intensely loyal and close with their families. My uncle's afghan would have reamed any trespassers dumb enough to come into their yard, and the dog let them know it too. Most don't get that large though.
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:31 AM
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My Max is an Anatolian. I think he makes the perfect guardian dog as well as family dog. He is alert to whatever is going on outside the house but inside can lay in the couch all comfortable. If he hears a noise, he's the first to respond. None of my dogs were raised around children but when my 5 year old niece came for a visit, Max greeted her with lots of kisses. He was so good around her. You have to know the breed and understand that they have "a mind of their own". They shouldn't be walked off leash as they may one day decide to do something other than what you want. Some on my board have commented how well they do at obedience, etc. classes to one day in the class decide "I don't feel like doing that". Max was my first dog that size and having this unique temperament. I would always own an Anatolian.
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Old 09-04-2009, 09:55 AM
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Not all LGDS are aloof or huge barkers.
Normally the females are more alert than males .

When you compare nuisance barkers or howlers like Beagles to LGDS the LGD bark MUCH less.. They bark for a reason.

LGDS bark in defense not to be heard or for hell of it.
They bark when contained in a house or fencing - they here or see movement noise. IF loose tey dont BAY or sound off they go find the new thing. And will protect if the bad thing is a bear or bad guy, if engage they bark very little. When you hear barking and then SILENCE you know withinn 3 secs they wil battle what is coming into the area . They bark alert posture dance charge and last report engage.

Some LGDS were bred to be alone with sheep and are more aloof towards strangers.
A lgd line of ASD or Pry or Kuvasz are not people oriented. You cna find aglity lines of ASD or show lines of Pry and they will be more into people. But sometimes they lose their naturel instincts by doing soo.

LGDS are livestock guadians not all are traditonal however CASD and COS and Sars and
are territory guardians not lGDS. They simply protect what is in their areas be it sheep - you or trucks . CASDS are the nomads dog dating back to same time as TM"S
CASD seek human interaction if from working lines .
Some of these breeds simply existed thousands of years before we had AKC or classificatons such as LGD or Guardian or working or herding group.

Some fall between groups such as the CASD ..

Here is a working line of CAS wth kids ,.

Mind you when you get a LGD or a CAS in most cases you want a dog that WILL bite when engaged in defense . They are NOT watch dogs that bark and back off.

Many can make excellent family dogs . Its not that they bite their kids . But you need to think ahead a 14 year old girl who sneaks boyfriend into window at 2 am and hhe is 16 is NOT a kid to the dog - it is a bad guy who should NOT be coming thru wndow since no one else does it so not routine. they are very distrusting at nite, plus they read emotions and doing something bad higthens sweat glands all making the dog alert and ON. When NOT if the dog bites BY in window. Newspaper will read KID bit, Not 180lbs man in most cultures kids.

Its not about your kids it about having kids you need to teach dog common sense too and then HOPING they do follow ALLLLLLL your rules? and simply that is when issues come in. Friends leaving gates open, friends rough housing, figths kids have with friends. parents of other kids coming over that the dog LOVEs and strking their kid in front of he dog. The dog will extend its family unit to bobby who visits eeach day.
Or you get divorced marry new this new guy raises his hand to your kid without stripking he wont cause as soon as the kid yelps in fear the LGD will push down at min the new gu.

See where im going? DO not get a LGD unless you want protection from predators be it 2 or 4 legged. Do NOT get them as a family pet first or a watch dog. They are foremost guardians that 99 percent of the time are family dogs.

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I wont post pics here cause u need to seem them engaged in protection to understand it is what they do. Cute pics or show pics give wrong impressions

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Wow! Thanks for all of the information. Honestly, I would be completely content never having Kids and just having a big dog to fill that void. However, Justin really wants at least one kid and I definitely hear what you're saying about LGD's and the responsibility they are with families.

I will look in to the more Personal/family guardian oriented dogs (Those like the German Shepherd) And with any luck will be able to show Justin something that he likes.

I love the look of Afghan hounds but I've heard they're rather aloof generally. How are sight hounds for alerting/barking in defense? Justin does like the look of Greyhounds (randomly) and when we move into a house we plan to have a ton of (fenced) space so we're not trying to trap any dog in a tiny area.

Do border collies do well with alerting at all? He's fallen in love with them lately. I know Aussies do well alerting, is there a larger herding breed we could look at?
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RR are good watch dogs.
Most of the dogs you stated inc the GSD can act or are watch dogs.
Watch dogs will bark and alert and sometime bite or Nip from behind .
But most inc the GSD bred as pets or show dogs or even PP dogs have to be trained to protect. Some lines of HSD are harder and most are sold only as Police dogs in which they are defensive and work in defense vs prey drive or rank( only for experts).

Herding breeds are activated by movement .
Tthus like the GSD if someone runs who is a bad guy they may get a nice nip in the butt. But if a bad guy or a good guy turned bad gets nasty and does NOT run -
You want a guardian breed with natural defense drives,
Number one watch dog in the cities were Taco bell dogs . Simply in small spaces but big cities all they wanted was a dog thta would bark at strange things.
Most burglars dont want attention and will pick the house - close to another that has NO dogs to wake the neighbors..

S Hounds are normally not watch dogs no way guardians.

THis thread should read GOOD watch dogs .NO better than the GSD and u can get a long coated one.. Good pet and family dog Newfie will bark and great at swimming.

Guard dogs are dogs that naturally GUARD.

Rottie , Corso, Neo, PRy Lower end of defense
rare LGDS, ASD- Akbash- CASD etc..
High end of defense Fila - Caucasian Ovcharka- Fila Sao Miquel

This is as per the standards for each breed. You can breed a SOFT line of Fila and a hard line of Rottie.
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