My growing girl

[Gallien Jacks]

Hi all, just wanted to share this pic of my pregnant girl she is due on the 18th of Aug

Here she is at 20 days pregnant, not looking much different.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/samandzeb/000_0149.jpg

Here she is at 43 days preganant, :eek: buddah belly
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/samandzeb/000_0154.jpg


just thaught it would be interesting to show how quickly they grow

[Renee750il]

It's a little unnerving, isn't it? She looks like she's thinking, "get these things out of me!"

[bubbatd]

I hope you have her whelping box ready !! Do you the book " How To Raise A Puppy You Can Live With " ????????? Very important reading for a breeder !

[Gallien Jacks]

I hope you have her whelping box ready !! Do you the book " How To Raise A Puppy You Can Live With " ????????? Very important reading for a breeder !
Not yet i dont set it up untill two weeks before the due date, and nope i've never heard of that book

[bubbatd]

Gallien...it's by Rutherford and Neil...now in it's 3rd or 4th edition. I wore mine out as a breeder. They've got good used ones on Amazon.com. I am very serious when I say it's a must have for the sake of the pups. I didn't get it until 1981 ( after I had already been a breeder for many years ) and learned a TON!!

[Gallien Jacks]

Gallien...it's by Rutherford and Neil...now in it's 3rd or 4th edition. I wore mine out as a breeder. They've got good used ones on Amazon.com. I am very serious when I say it's a must have for the sake of the pups. I didn't get it until 1981 ( after I had already been a breeder for many years ) and learned a TON!!
I have just had a quick look through one on line, forgive me but it seems pretty advarage

[EliNHunter]

I have just had a quick look through one on line, forgive me but it seems pretty advarage

You might already have the knowledge of what the book touts. Like, when they should go to their new homes; how you should socialize them before they go to their new homes; what the new owners should do when they get their pup home, etc. Bubbatd would give a copy of the book with every new pup owner...

[bubbatd]

I guess you don't care ......I was just trying to pass on my years of breeding knowledge to you..... guess you already know what to do at 22 to 28 days old .... the most important time in a puppy's life. Good luck !

[Ash47]

The books are only around 4$ on Amazon. I am going to get me a copy myself, because there are many things I have to learn while Roxy is still growing into her own.

[bubbatd]

Good for you !!!! Let me know what you think of it .....what really got me when I first got it ,was a weekly thingy that said " if you don't do thus and thus during this week you are a bad breeder !!!" Boy, did I hone in on that and learned.!!! It's small $$$$ well spent ! A hug from Grammy for wanting to learn.

[Gallien Jacks]

I guess you don't care ......I was just trying to pass on my years of breeding knowledge to you..... guess you already know what to do at 22 to 28 days old .... the most important time in a puppy's life. Good luck !
Now come on that's a bit harsh! I do care but I have different books of my own ones specific to my breed, and a puppy rearing book, just because I don't wish to buy the book you have doesn't mean anything, you are jumping to conclusions!

[nedim]

Bubbatd would give a copy of the book with every new pup owner...]


I can vouch for that. Thanks Grammy.lol

[bubbatd]

Sorry I growled at you !! Yes, I had a lot of books too, but found this the best for the specific issues of each weekly developement.

[stirder]

hey grammy, just got my copy of "how to raise a puppy you can live with" in the mail. 3rd addition. ordered it a few weeks ago, after you suggested it.

[Gallien Jacks]

Sorry I growled at you !! Yes, I had a lot of books too, but found this the best for the specific issues of each weekly developement.
Thats ok no hard feelings Also i'm in the UK so I would have to have one shipped

[bubbatd]

Stirder ....Let us know what you think of it ( in the eyes of a breeder or new owner )

[stirder]

well, atleast at this point in my life I have no intention of breeding dogs, that could change I suppose at any time though. but for now, if I learn even 1 thing about breeding that will help me pick a breeder in the future (sure rory wont be my last puppy). I imagine though, I will learn a lot of things I didnt know and quite a few new ways to do things I already know how to do. no matter what I am sure I will enjoy it a lot. will deffinetly let you know, and will probably have a few questions to ask you guys as I read.

[showpug]

While we are on the subject of books and breeding, I would like to recommend the book "Breeding a Litter" by Beth J. Finder Harris. This book goes into great detail and depth on everything!!! :)

[Adrienne]

Awww, she looks like I felt when I was preggo! I hope the whelping goes well for you both with lots of healthy little pups.

[Gallien Jacks]

Awww, she looks like I felt when I was preggo! I hope the whelping goes well for you both with lots of healthy little pups.
Thanks her pups have been kicking like mad today, poor girl lol

[Adrienne]

I can sure empathize with that one. Logan my youngest would stretch out longways and push. It hurt so bad! Not to mention the heartburn it caused. When is her whelping date? Also don't forget to post pics of the pups please!

[Gallien Jacks]

Her whelping date is 18th Aug, and dont worry you will get fed up of pics! lol

[Adrienne]

Never! I miss baby puppies so much!

[bubbatd]

Me too !!! Bottle that puppy breath !!! Is this your 1st whelp ??? What type of pen do you have ??

[Gallien Jacks]

Well its my first welp with my own dog, I have helped out breeders with theirs, when you say pen are you talking about puppy pen or whelping box?

[bubbatd]

Whelping box.....I had one large enough to adjust as the pups grew....so it was pen also.

[Gallien Jacks]

She has a large dog cage, part of it is sectioned off for the whelping, then it will also be a pen later

[bubbatd]

Sounds good to me !! Are you able to put in puppy rail ?

[Gallien Jacks]

Sounds good to me !! Are you able to put in puppy rail ?

Got my hubby working on that one, I think i have a design that will work

[bubbatd]

Good for him !!! So many don't know how important they are ! If the cage is wire, maybe piping would work. We drilled holes in our wooden one and threaded pipe through...then took them out when pups were old enough not to be rolled on. Please don't think I'm needling you !!! Breeding was my passion !The last litter that Bubba sired, the breeder promised they would build a whelping pen.... I even gave them the pasticulars. They ended up using a wading pool and the Dam rolled on and killed 2 pups.....sooooooooooooo un neccessary !

[EliNHunter]

Yes... bars on all four sides VERY important to keep pups from getting trapped under their Mom against the walls. Glad you're doing it! Poor Mamma already has squirming puppies in her belly... but isn't it cool to see her extended belling bubbling with little womb-bound puppies, though?! :D

[Manchesters]

Good for him !!! So many don't know how important they are ! If the cage is wire, maybe piping would work. We drilled holes in our wooden one and threaded pipe through...then took them out when pups were old enough not to be rolled on. Please don't think I'm needling you !!! Breeding was my passion !The last litter that Bubba sired, the breeder promised they would build a whelping pen.... I even gave them the pasticulars. They ended up using a wading pool and the Dam rolled on and killed 2 pups.....sooooooooooooo un neccessary !

Conformation or obedience?

[bubbatd]

Excuse me ??? Conformation or obedience ??? That's not the point. We're talking about whelping. Though I did not choose to show in either , my line was tops in both areas. I decided with 3 kids, a husband, 8 acres, big house, business to help with, my dogs would continue what they were known for .....I called them 40 years ago companion dogs......Ten years ago one of my pup's owners was playing with his dog in a Chicago park,,,,,a stranger came up to him and said " Is that a Hawthorn Hill dog ?" He had owned one of my dogs and could tell the background . I'm proud of my breeding. And miss it !

[stirder]

get back into it grammy, I want one of your pups :) as much as I love Rory and dont regret for a second adopting her, I was hoping my wife would choose to get a golden. wait...hawthorn hill? I think my moms golden might have been out of one of your pups, or one of your pups pups? I was 5 when we got her, I'll have to ask my mom what her registered name was, and if she still has her pedigree papers. may have been something else but that sounds really really familiar. do you know if any of your pups went to an owner/breeder in Missouri? I dont remember where the breeder lived in Missouri but somewhere near St. Louis (maybe an hour away?).

[Saje]

Look what I found Grammy (in French!)

http://www.canina.be/pedigree/index.php.dbrs=gold&option=detail&indiv=27993.html

I don't know what that means but that would have been one of your dogs, wouldn't it?

[Manchesters]

Excuse me ??? Conformation or obedience ??? That's not the point. We're talking about whelping. Though I did not choose to show in either , my line was tops in both areas. I decided with 3 kids, a husband, 8 acres, big house, business to help with, my dogs would continue what they were known for .....I called them 40 years ago companion dogs......Ten years ago one of my pup's owners was playing with his dog in a Chicago park,,,,,a stranger came up to him and said " Is that a Hawthorn Hill dog ?" He had owned one of my dogs and could tell the background . I'm proud of my breeding. And miss it !

We are talking whelping, which = breeding which = dogs involved in producing the litter. I was simply interested in knowing your pupose for breeding and accomplishments. Everybody likes a chance to brag about what they have done for their breed. Just like they have that joke......"Let Me Tell You About MY Grandkids". And I was also interested in what degree of HD they had back then as opposed to now. Like has xraying and certifying been beneficial to the breed, or is the rate about the same.

I myself put no stock in championships. All I have to do is look at the crappy Manchesters with CH in front of their names. It is what a dog produces that proves it worth. And over the years my little bit of breeding has helped to improve the overall quality of the breed. Look at Indy (my grandson) and look at his father (#1 Manchester in the country! Big pile) and you can see the improvement. And to look at Indy's offspring, the improvement continues, thanks to being bred to quality b1tches. THAT is what I am proud of. Not of having produced dogs, but of having left the breed better than what I found it. That is the goal of a breeder, and the only reason for breeding.....to improve the breed, and/or to improve upon what you have.

NOW..........to get off my high horse, the real praise goes to those who produced the dogs I started out with...Busy Bee Manchesters, and Golden Scoops. It is their quality that is being passed on!!!

All of this relates to breeding and to whelping.

[EliNHunter]

Look what I found Grammy (in French!)

http://www.canina.be/pedigree/index.php.dbrs=gold&option=detail&indiv=27993.html

I don't know what that means but that would have been one of your dogs, wouldn't it?

Omigosh, Saje! I can't believe you found that! Although, no pic ever came up (if there was one). The Hawthorn Hill line tended to be pretty red. Visit my "Dog Nostalgia" thread to see the heritage!!

[Saje]

I didn't see a pic either. It's a weird site. If you scroll around there are links that show up when you go over them :confused: Do you know that dog?

[Manchesters]

Look what I found Grammy (in French!)

http://www.canina.be/pedigree/index.php.dbrs=gold&option=detail&indiv=27993.html

I don't know what that means but that would have been one of your dogs, wouldn't it?

Darn, that site sure does not give much info.....even for being in French, sites like that send me up the wall! You look them up, and you come away not knowing any more than when you clicked on the link! Rofl

[Manchesters]

Omigosh, Saje! I can't believe you found that! Although, no pic ever came up (if there was one). The Hawthorn Hill line tended to be pretty red. Visit my "Dog Nostalgia" thread to see the heritage!!

Anyone remember him? Talk about magnificient!!!!!! And his movement would bring tears to your eyes!!!!!!!!!

[EliNHunter]

Anyone remember him? Talk about magnificient!!!!!! And his movement would bring tears to your eyes!!!!!!!!!

Anyone remember "him"??? I don't get you, MC.... what do you MEAN?

[Saje]

Manchesters, did you know Grammy's (Bubbatd) line? I don't understand. :confused:

[Manchesters]

Anyone remember "him"??? I don't get you, MC.... what do you MEAN?

The gorgeous Golden who was being shown maybe 4 years ago. He was the top Golden of that time period. He was perfection in conformation, movement, coat......one of those dogs that just makes you heart tighten into a knot when you see him in motion.

Of course I cannot remember the kennel name, rofl. My great memory....NOT...!

[Manchesters]

Manchesters, did you know Grammy's (Bubbatd) line? I don't understand. :confused:

I didn't. I would die to see a pedigree. I am a pedigree nut=butt!

The dog I was talking about was one of the most magnificient Goldens to walk the planet. Pretty close to perfection from what I heard. I like nice naked dogs, rofl. No muss no fuss, no hair to vacuum up!

[EliNHunter]

The gorgeous Golden who was being shown maybe 4 years ago. He was the top Golden of that time period. He was perfection in conformation, movement, coat......one of those dogs that just makes you heart tighten into a knot when you see him in motion.

Of course I cannot remember the kennel name, rofl. My great memory....NOT...!

You mean top in AKC standards? They tend to be very blond and very squat. The Hawthorn Hill line was more of a large, lean, red field version of a golden...

[Manchesters]

You mean top in AKC standards? They tend to be very blond and very squat. The Hawthorn Hill line was more of a large, lean, red field version of a golden...

Well, top winning conformation Golden. Don't know if he had any field titles. Now THOSE titles you have to respect. They are earned....not just based on the opinon of some judge who never saw a good looking speciman of the breed!

My vet in New York breed Goldens which did much winning......Her name was Irene Kraft, and again I cannot remember her kennel name...something like Golden Winds or ????????

Thing is that for every breed, there is only one standard of the ideal. Few dogs of any breed that ever come close to any of those standards any more, sadly.

[bubbatd]

Manchester , I'm not going your way . You may be thinking of the Meadowpound line ...Bubba was grandson of CH.Murphy's Rainbow ...sweetie, if you'd feel better , I can take you back to the Speedwell, Rockhaven, Stillrovin, Lorelei lines or yore from which my goldens have come from, but you're probably too young to remember these lines. And yes , I do admire all titles.... Max McCammon was the 1st in the nation to acquire all 3 into the golden hall of fame with his dog Merrymac's Dream of Genie...my Roxie's Dam. Like to know more ???

[Manchesters]

Manchester , I'm not going your way . You may be thinking of the Meadowpound line ...Bubba was grandson of CH.Murphy's Rainbow ...sweetie, if you'd feel better , I can take you back to the Speedwell, Rockhaven, Stillrovin, Lorelei lines or yore from which my goldens have come from, but you're probably too young to remember these lines. And yes , I do admire all titles.... Max McCammon was the 1st in the nation to acquire all 3 into the golden hall of fame with his dog Merrymac's Dream of Genie...my Roxie's Dam. Like to know more ???

No, I cannot use young as an excuse, lol. I know NONE of the Golden lines. People tend to only zero in on those breeds that they are addicted to. And considering the amount of work that goes into learning the lines and dogs when you move from one breed to another, it is almost a college course!

I like to examine pedigrees to see what manner of breeding was done....linebreeding, how much outcrossing and so on. Many years ago a gentleman by the name of Walter Fletcher formulted the perfect breeding formula (looks confusing but it isnt really)----Let the sire of the sire be the grandsire of the dam on the dams side. I THINK it comes out to uncle neice breeding??? I am too pooped to be able to try to visualize it in my head.

I have links to the pedigrees of my dogs on my site. They are kinda scattered all over, under the pictures and such.

Many people get disgusted with showing in conformation because it is nothing but political, and who owes who what, and who is whose boyfriend, etc. For most breeds, Championships really are not to be trusted as a sign of the quality of the dog. Even with the champions I bred, I can see much to be desired in layback of shoulder, and rear angulation (WHAT rear angulation!!) Manchesters are supposed to have reach and drive, as opposed to "terrier movement" where the legs do not extend out from under the body. Manchester movement in both varieties stinks!!!!!! Because of the straight shoulders and straight rears!

It is a joy to talk breeding with breeders! I am a genetic enthusiast also, but mainly as far as coat color. I was really proud of myself when I finally was able to comprehend the Dobe color chart!!!! Then the white Dobe came along, rofl. But I think that is a simple recessive.

Have a good night.......I am poopsilated.

[bubbatd]

I have noticed alot of cross breeding back in the 40s and 50s....( Goldens ). I've always been an pedigree nut .... tried to stay away from the lines I knew that had cancer problems. Unfortunately with my I.B. I only had her 3 generation when I bought her. When I got her full pedigree I saw a red flag....unfortunatley , I was right.

[candy]

have she already had her puppies?

[Gallien Jacks]

Bubbatd, i also think a rail is important, how anyone can think they are not seems strange, how could you not fit something as simple as this and, then a pup or more dies, I just dont get some people, yep the cage is metal, I did think aboyt getting some pieces of dowling and cutting a slit in the end so they push on the the bars but I will leave this up tp hubby as I'm not very good with a saw lol

Candy, if the question was for me know she hasnt had them yet they are due on the 18th

[Manchesters]

Bubbatd, i also think a rail is important, how anyone can think they are not seems strange, how could you not fit something as simple as this and, then a pup or more dies, I just dont get some people, yep the cage is metal, I did think aboyt getting some pieces of dowling and cutting a slit in the end so they push on the the bars but I will leave this up tp hubby as I'm not very good with a saw lol

Candy, if the question was for me know she hasnt had them yet they are due on the 18th

I had of course always used a rail with the Dobes and Whippets, but with the Manchesters it isn't really necessary. Manchester moms have heart failure if one of their pups make a sound. Plus I was here 24/6, and if I had to run to Walmart I would put momma in a crate by herself. For some reason the mothers always seemed to apprecate time away from the kids. Of course I didn't go anywhere until the pups were at least two weeks old.

And being able to use just a crib was sooooo nice as far as the space it took up. It was a small crib a friend had made for her dogs and gave me.

I miss the joy involved with raising pups, but I will get over it, rofl.

[bubbatd]

I miss it so too, Manchester !!! Such a rewarding experience.

[smkie]

if you go back and look at Moe's pics of his huskies, you will see the sweetest whelping box i have ever seen. If i have time i will try to find the link. We always had a rail all the way around..and Manchester, if you want to see what some careful breeding did you should see the accomplishments of my old boss. He had a kennel that began in 1935. Ran the circuit with his labradors taking the nationals with two siblings Nip and Tuck. I have a card here for the dog that was the number one search and seizure dog for nebraska, PowerPete...i was in his whelping box..my job was to midwife from the day the pups and then to care for them including the process of sales. He bred for intelligence and ability. This wasn't confirmation..it was field trial. I will find the card in my documents and come back and post. I worked at this kennel for 20 years. Grew up assisting three litters a year, and training the rest of the time as well as cleaning and caring for 40 kennels. We did field trials every spring and fall, training the rest of the year daily.
I forgot to add we also had a special kennel for the mum when her pups wer old enuff to go out. It had heat lamps in it with a special drop floor so no stool be drug in and had a shelf where mum could get away from the pups about three feet high and get a well needed break.

[smkie]

here is Power Pete..when old boss had alzhiemers and I could no longer ensure his safety at the kennel we had to shut down. these people came and took not only our breeding stock, but our old retirees as well.

[smkie]

double post put i wanted to add these..here was our whelping box not near as gorgous as moe's but very functional..and our training pond..one side was low and shallow to start 8 week old pups on tiny little retreives, and the other deep enuff for a dramatic splash to build confidence. the kennel sat on five acres and was set up for every imaginable beginning trainer problem
14 pups in this litter..BB always had big litters and we almost always had 100 percent healthy survival. we kept two bins to the side where i would scoop out the newborns and set them under the heat lamp so mum had room to turn around, then i could clean her up replace papers and get the pups back to nursing to heed the next contractions..these big litters make mum very tired..i read in a book what to do until the vet comes and it said coffee for dogs and tea for cats..so when i saw mum was tired out too tired to push i made her a cuppa and it was never refused..worked like a charm.. :D

[Gallien Jacks]

I had of course always used a rail with the Dobes and Whippets, but with the Manchesters it isn't really necessary. Manchester moms have heart failure if one of their pups make a sound. Plus I was here 24/6, and if I had to run to Walmart I would put momma in a crate by herself. For some reason the mothers always seemed to apprecate time away from the kids. Of course I didn't go anywhere until the pups were at least two weeks old.

And being able to use just a crib was sooooo nice as far as the space it took up. It was a small crib a friend had made for her dogs and gave me.

I miss the joy involved with raising pups, but I will get over it, rofl.

What about at night time, you cant of been with them then!

[Manchesters]

What about at night time, you cant of been with them then!

Ya wanna bet, rofl?? I have to sleep in my recliner chair because of sqwished disks in my back. The crib was about 5 feet from my chair. I sleep at really weird intervals (diabetic...tinkle every hour!) and heard just about every breath they took. And I have Toy Manchesters---ETTs. The momma weighed about 11 pounds.

I sure envy you the joy of raising those pups. I have tons of VHS tape of puppy fights, puppies romping thru their fresh shredded paper--just like human kids hurling themselves thru snow banks.

It gives us a whole new appreciation of life to see everything thru the eyes of baby puppies. Everything is a wonder and a miracle to them.

Only bad part is the weaning, rofl. Messy, messy, messy. (See my website for pictures, rofl.)

Your little b!tch is a pretty little thing. The puppies should be beautiful.
I sure hope you can get more sleep than I ever was with pups! I have not bred for 7 years, so I have had time to recuperate, roflmbo! And it took just about that long to get rested up from it, heheheheh!

[regardsbullmastiffs]

I think I maybe should get that book - " How To Raise A Puppy You Can Live With " . It sounds like a good book. I am a fairly new dog breeder so it sounds like a book I should read.

Ezriyah

[bubbatd]

Good for you !!!! You won't be sorry...they're really cheap used at Amazon. It's also good for the prospective owners....you can copy and give them the pages that helps them pick out the right puppy for them. I used it to test the pups too , to see which ones needed extra attention as to shyness, bullying etc etc. Post here if you agree of it's worth.

[stirder]

I agree with its worthiness. I just got my copy in the mail a few days ago, I think it was $6-8 at amazon.com plus I think $2-3 for shipping? total was around $10 maybe $12. I am still in the beginning of the book, not sure what page (its in the bedroom, Im too lazy right now to go find out exactly where I am in it). So so far it is just interesting sutff, some I knew and some I didnt but since I am not a breeder none is usefull at the moment. I dont plan on breeding dogs, ever, but if that changes (I could decide in a few years that I HAVE to breed) I will certainly find this book handy and read it a few hundred more times. I did flip through and there are quite a few chapters about after the pups go to new homes, when they are 6 months old etc about crate training, obedience training, house breaking, nutrition?, socializing etc. though I already know quite a bit about those topics I dont doubt I will learn something/things that are new to me, or atleast a method or 12 that are new to me that I can incorporate into Rorys' training, maybe even into Striders (1 1/2 year old gsd) training/socialization.
The way I feel about it is nobody EVER knows EVERYTHING about any given topic. There is always something to learn. So if someone tells me "____ is a good book about dog training/nutrition/phsycology/etc; or about lawn care/home improvement, marriage, wildlife, bird watching, rock climbing/etc" I will read it.

[bubbatd]

Lol!!!! Books are windows to the world....Kudos !

[stirder]

now if only I could find a book that tells me "how to make $1,000,000 a year without doing a thing!!!" then Id be set. ohhh, how about "how to wish so hard that your trees will turn into money trees!!!"?

[smkie]

i was hoping my picture was worth a thousand words..how could you look at BB and her 14 puppies and not see why a railing would be a total necessity?

[Manchesters]

i was hoping my picture was worth a thousand words..how could you look at BB and her 14 puppies and not see why a railing would be a total necessity?

Good grief....with a dog with 14 puppies, I would think a bottle of vodka and some orange juice would be a total necessity, rofl. That was one thing I liked about the Manchesters.......although Janet, my first Manchester who arrived pregnant had 8 puppies!!!!!! And I think Nikki had 7 pups. The Manchesters have heart failure if one of their pup make even a peep.

I had heart failure with the Dobes until the pups were about 3 weeks old!!!!! Definitely a raid with them and also the Whippets.

[smkie]

Bless her old heart, Bb was not called Mother Superior for nothing..i will find the link to her story. She is long gone now..and so are the puppies..and so is old boss, but the education is there. I learned a great deal about caring for puppies and was given either pick of the litter (a very weathly payoff) or the money each time. There will never be a good old gurl like her again..RIP Blitz and Bows BB.
here's the link http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2598 not a well written story at all sorry.

[Gallien Jacks]

i was hoping my picture was worth a thousand words..how could you look at BB and her 14 puppies and not see why a railing would be a total necessity?
sorry not sure who this was for?

[smkie]

those that use whelping boxes without rails. there has to be a space where if the mother leans back she doesn't crush the pup.

[Gallien Jacks]

I agree i think that rails should always be used no matter what size the dog

[Julie]

I guess you don't care ......I was just trying to pass on my years of breeding knowledge to you..... guess you already know what to do at 22 to 28 days old .... the most important time in a puppy's life. Good luck !
What do you do?
Since I am asking all these questions lately, this is one thing I was wondering about???

Let me take a wild guess, since I am not a breeder it will probably be wrong, but it will be fun:

That would be 3-4 weeks old, my guess would be to start them on gruel???
I believe most start worming at 2 weeks or so......
Yes, thats my guess....gruel.

Is that right, grammy?

[Gallien Jacks]

Well I guess everyone has their own way of doing things, yes most breeders worm at two weeks, but I believe that socialisation is the key at this stage in a pups life

[EliNHunter]

What do you do?
Since I am asking all these questions lately, this is one thing I was wondering about???

Let me take a wild guess, since I am not a breeder it will probably be wrong, but it will be fun:

That would be 3-4 weeks old, my guess would be to start them on gruel???
I believe most start worming at 2 weeks or so......
Yes, thats my guess....gruel.

Is that right, grammy?

That kind of stuff is what the book teaches you! :D

[Julie]

That kind of stuff is what the book teaches you! :D

Okay, I guess I will buy the book, to see if I am right or not.

You and grammy should get a percentage! :D

You could tell me if it was a good guess though.

Julie.

[bubbatd]

Yah !!! Julie !!! I'd answer you but my Doctor just got an new puppy and asked to borrow my book i!!!! EliN chose her pup ( Eli ) after taking the tests.... was funny as I had 2 daughters each thinking they had chosen their pups.... I removed all markings and collars and after their tests they chose different from their 1st choices. ! Both thought they got their heart dogs, and they did !

[bubbatd]

Julie, as far as the first puppy feeding, each litter was different as to the # of pups. I always held off as long a possible as to adding puppy food. Part of it was for the pups to nurse as long as possible , once you start adding food #1 you're the puppy scooper upper as the Mom stops the clean up their jobs. 2nd of all ... I ground their puppy food starting with a powder to mix with water , and slowly made it more course over the weeks. By the time they went home , they were on regular puppy food ( still mixed with water. ) I could always tell when the mom had had it feeding wise, and each litter was different. When weaning from the Mom, I'd let them nurse enough so she wouldn't be swollen and sore. It's a very fine line.... enough to relieve, but not enough to produce more milk on demand.

[Julie]

Yah !!! Julie !!! I'd answer you but my Doctor just got an new puppy and asked to borrow my book i!!!! EliN chose her pup ( Eli ) after taking the tests.... was funny as I had 2 daughters each thinking they had chosen their pups.... I removed all markings and collars and after their tests they chose different from their 1st choices. ! Both thought they got their heart dogs, and they did !

I am sure you don't need the book to answer, Come on........

Just give me a clue. :)
What did you mean when you wrote that???
What are you supposed to do between 22 -28 days?

I don't believe it is socialization either, cause that is a continious thing, not just between that time period.

If you would rather not post, just PM me, PLEASE.......

I don't breed pups, but this is just to see if I am anywhere near the ball park..

Julie.