Jumping Up

[BigDog2191]

I REALLY need to put an end to this-- he scratched my friend doing this as well as myself.

He needs to stop. He's like a jack rabbit now, it's getting out on control. Anybody know how I can put an end to this?

[Manchesters]

I REALLY need to put an end to this-- he scratched my friend doing this as well as myself.

He needs to stop. He's like a jack rabbit now, it's getting out on control. Anybody know how I can put an end to this?

Do a search on my posts. I posted the perfect solution to this problem a couple days ago.

[juliefurry]

Does he know how to sit? I put my dogs in a sit position before they recieve any attention. If my dogs get up then I stop petting them and make them sit agian. Also it might help to attach a leash to him so when he is greeting people you will be able to have better control of him. Maybe teach him a sit and stay and have him do that when people come to greet him. Does he jump constantly, or just when he is first being greeted? You might also try ignoring him, or separating him from the situation and coming back to him when he has had a chance to calm down. I'm having the same problem with my lab when I walk her she will try to jump on anyone that walks by. Noone has been to our house since we got her (I know that sounds pathetic but our family and friends live in a different state) so I don't know how she is at greeting people at the door. If I take her to family functions though she is constantly jumping and lunging at people trying to get attention. I'll put her in sit and stay and she'll be tolerable until the next person comes to greet her then it's jump, jump, jump, "sit, sit Hannah, Hannah sit! Now stay!" all over agian.

[BigDog2191]

Well, he jumps constantly. Especially to the new person. Manchesters, can you give me the thread name?

[Manchesters]

Well, he jumps constantly. Especially to the new person. Manchesters, can you give me the thread name?

I just PMd you. Salvation is on the way, rofl.

[Manchesters]

If you're not sure how to do it, take him to a grooming shop. They will do it in 10 minutes for maybe $5.

[BigDog2191]

Thanks sent one back to ya.

I've been trimming his nails for a while now, so I'll do that, too. Thanks for the help.

[Manchesters]

Thanks sent one back to ya.

I've been trimming his nails for a while now, so I'll do that, too. Thanks for the help.

You can also use a Dremel to grind the nails. You just have to use a bumping type motion. Don't wanna leave the sandpaper on the nail too long....builds up heat.

[Doberluv]

http://homepages.udayton.edu/~merensjp/doberdawn/dremel/dremel.html

If you're going to go the Dremel route (highly recommended by me. LOL) read this a few times thoroughly first.

[Manchesters]

I just PMd you. Salvation is on the way, rofl.

For those that may have the same problem, the method I have suggested to Big Dog is the same one that most every trainer uses....when the dog jumps up, hold the front and do not let go. Gently tap on the front of the dogs back toes with your foot. Continue holding the front feet even when the dog starts squirming. Then finally let go. If you have several people around who can help with this project the dog can usually be conditioned not to jump on people in about 10 minutes.

The only thing is that you cannot ask the dog to jump up first. That would be entrapment, and not at all fair. You can dance around and jump around all you want to try to entice the dog. That is fair, lol.

So there you have it. 100% effective, does no harm to the dog mentally or physically, yet is fool proof!!!!!!

[Fran27]

Dunno, I've tried it with Boris when I was desperate, and it doesn't work for us. Ignoring worked to an extend, except when the dog is totally excited.

[yuckaduck]

Ok I'm passing this on from Dr Stanely Coren because this what he told me about jumping up. He said it is done to grab attention and the best way to stop it is to give no attention. So fold your arms across your chest stand perfectly still and look at the sky. If the dog jumps on you ignore it say nothing do nothing. As soon as the dog stops jumping, reward. It has worked for some people but no idea if it will work for you. I guess try it and see. Good luck.

[Doberluv]

Most trainers today use less aversive methods. Personally, I've had no trouble teaching puppies to stop undesireable behavior, such as jumping very quickly. Why are they jumping up? Because they want to get to your level and receive attention. They think they can't get any if they stay down low on all fours. They think you won't notice them so they jump up to get closer to your face which is where a lot of the attention comes from. You know how puppies look at your face a lot? They're excited to see you and can't contain their enthusism. Enthusiasm and joy is a good thing and I don't like to squelch it by showing anger or causing physical discomfort or extreme frustration, but it DOES need to be re-directed to a more constructive way...in some other areas. So, that aside....for the time being.

It is a "law" of learning behavior with any life form with a thinking brain that when there is a reward or payoff for any behavior, that behavior is much more likely to be repeated. And the opposite holds true. Would you keep on doing something over and over if there was no good to come of it? Discover what the payoff for something is and remove it. It might be something you're doing and it might be something the dog himself is getting all by himself. (self rewarding)

Often we do something to our dogs, holler "no!" or grab at them, look at them, shove them. We think we're punishing them but they might think it's just more play. (reward) Or this is true also: The puppy wants attention. Any attention, positive or negative is still attention and they'd rather have negative attention than nothing. Unless the punishment is very severe and harsh, it won't usually deter the dog from engaging in a behavior. And who wants to be severely harsh with a little baby puppy who doesn't realize yet that jumping up is a bad thing? He doesn't know.

If you ignore the puppy, remove all payoff, the behavior will extinguish. It may not happen immediately, but it will happen in a reasonable amount of time if you're consistant. Don't look at, speak, touch the puppy. Turn away or walk away.....ending all playtime and attention. The puppy can't stay on all fours forever. The moment he is back down on all fours, praise him, give him attention. Go down to his level and hug him close broadside against your body so he can't jump. He can't jump up if he's turned sideways. Then go about your business. If he jumps up, repeat.

If you can catch him just before he's going to jump, tell him "sit" which you've already taught him.(LOL) Praise for that.

So, in a nutshell: Ignore, give no payoff for undesireable behavior. Also, you can give an alternative behavior and praise for that. Don't forget to praise your dog when his behavior is good....EVEN when you didn't just ask him for something. If he happens to be hanging around and you're doing the dishes and he's NOT jumping on you, but perhaps chewing on a toy, tell him what a good boy he is. Let him know what behavior you like.

You don't have to punish a behavior to make it go away. Removing any payoff is all it takes. Emphasise showing your dog what you do like, rather than what you don't.

Be consistant. Make sure everyone in the family does the same. Don't change methods mid stream. It confuses the dog. Stick with this and I guarantee, if you do it right, your dog will lose interst in jumping up on you. Why should he? Nothing good comes to him for doing it. (but make sure nothing good is coming to him) But good things DO come to him when he's on all fours.

[sammydawg]

I agree 100% with doberdog except that I don't praise the dog or give him any attention right when he gets off . I wait until he either sits or lays down (without giving him the command) Decide which you want and just WAIT. As soon as he sits or lies down praise him lke he is the smartest dog ever and make a fuss over it.
The dog quickly learns that if he wants some attention he should come to you and SIT (or lie down which ever you have decided to use).
Ask all the people in your family or who are around the dog to not pet him until he sits-- just wait for him to do it--pretty soon you have a dog who runs up to you and instead of jumping on you, plants his butt in the ground for you to pet him.
I think my first dog (cattle dog) actually though he taught me a trick "watch, I just sit and then she has to pet me" LOL

[Adrienne]

Hey Big! I can kind of sympathize. Gunnar likes to jump on me when he thinks it is time to play,usually right before it is time for our evening walk. He gets his tug toy and jumps on me. I just tell him NO and ignore him. It works for the time being but the next day he just has to try it again, LOL! These shepherds eh?! :D

[Doberluv]

For me, I don't care if my dog sits to get a pat. He can stand if he wants to. So I haven't made an automatic sit everytime he comes for a pat. But you can do that if you want. (I do have an automatic sit if I give the command to "come," "heel" and when we are walking and we stop.)

Here's another of my .02. LOL. In order for a dog to connect praise with a behavior, it needs to be rewarded within 4 seconds. So, being on all fours is not jumping anymore (he's stopped the behavior you're trying to extinguish) and it should be rewarded immediately. After he gets this down pat, you can, if you want your dog to always sit to be petted, withhold praise, ask for a sit and when he does, praise/treat. After repitition of this, you can eliminate the command, "sit" and see if he'll sit automatically. Hold off with the praise until he does. (if he does it within a few seconds) If not, go back to using the command a few more times until it gets almost automatic. Then try again. This is called shaping behavior and it works well because you're setting the dog up to succeed by showing him what he did pleased you. Then he looks forward to pleasing even more, tries harder and is more ready to learn. He's made a few baby steps toward your ultimate behavior that you're looking for.

Like...when you're teaching a dog to lie down. You don't have to get the entire down the first time. When he's partially down, praise him. He's begun to do what you asked. Once he's getting this, withhold praise/treat until he thinks....."why don't I get praised? This always worked before." He tries harder in order to get the reward, so he goes down a little more closely to what you want. You praise for a while till he gets the next step down pat...and withdraw and so on until the behavior is shaped. He will get the behavior by using his head. A dog who has to think and gets use to having to problem solve gets smarter than a dog who is forced into position.

[stirder]

there are a couple of ways that I find extremely effective with nearly all dogs. the 1st one works really well but I dont recommend it usually to others because you can hurt the toe if you do it too hard, when the dog jumps up you grab his front paws and step on the back paws, do it too hard or lose your balance you could hurt yourself and/or the dog.
when he jumps up grab his front paws and gently raise them above his head and hold them there untill he struggles, very uncomfortable for him.
third is to make him sit to greet people, but after he is allowed up he will probably try to jump up.
I like the second one best.

[yuckaduck]

The first method that stirder suggested is exactly what Manchester described in another thread about jumping up so it must be popular.

[stirder]

its also in the monks of new skeete book, dont remember which one though. I think how to be your dogs best friend.

[Manchesters]

there are a couple of ways that I find extremely effective with nearly all dogs. the 1st one works really well but I dont recommend it usually to others because you can hurt the toe if you do it too hard, when the dog jumps up you grab his front paws and step on the back paws, do it too hard or lose your balance you could hurt yourself and/or the dog.
when he jumps up grab his front paws and gently raise them above his head and hold them there untill he struggles, very uncomfortable for him.
third is to make him sit to greet people, but after he is allowed up he will probably try to jump up.
I like the second one best.

Stirder and I actually agree about something! Mark this day on the calendar!!!!!!!!! :p

[stirder]

lol, time to find a marker (to mark the calendar) LOL!!!

[Renee750il]

For those that may have the same problem, the method I have suggested to Big Dog is the same one that most every trainer uses....when the dog jumps up, hold the front and do not let go. Gently tap on the front of the dogs back toes with your foot. Continue holding the front feet even when the dog starts squirming. Then finally let go. If you have several people around who can help with this project the dog can usually be conditioned not to jump on people in about 10 minutes.

The only thing is that you cannot ask the dog to jump up first. That would be entrapment, and not at all fair. You can dance around and jump around all you want to try to entice the dog. That is fair, lol.

So there you have it. 100% effective, does no harm to the dog mentally or physically, yet is fool proof!!!!!!

I've used that with the Filas. It gets interesting, as they can look you in the eye with those saaaaddd faces of theirs, then suddenly darth their snoots forward and lick you in the mouth, lol! Trying to train YOU to turn loose - conniving little wretches ;) And you CAN'T step on their back toes - you need to have your own firmly braced on the floor when dealing with a jumping Fila. They can, you know, continue jumping with their hind legs even though you are holding their front paws.

Sometimes I wonder how I got myself involved with these Monsters . . . but most of the time I wonder how I ever did without them. :D

[stirder]

man, I cant imagine trying that with a fila, almost like trying to teach a horse not to jump up (sorry, you probably get tired of people saying they are like horses. I get it with german shepherds so I bet you get it 100 times a day). luckily rocky isnt quite as big as a fila, and gsd's can look awfull pitiful when they want to but they cant look as sad as a fila.