Can anybody help, we are looking to stud our golden retriever/ red setter cross?

[emwah]

Hi all, I am a newbie and looking for some help.
We are blessed with a golden retriever red setter cross who is the sweetest most nice natured dog I have ever owned !! and gorgeous to look at to.
We have so many friends and family that would love to have one of his pups so we are looking for a female (this forum keeps bleeping out b**ch!). I know this is probably a strange request as it is not for a pure pedigree and I know some may disagree with the principle.
Does anybody know anyone with this type of breed, does this cross have a particular name? any info would be gladly welcomed.
I know that a lot of you will have a lot more knowledge than me :-)

Emma.

[Saje]

I have no doubt that you love your dog and that he's gorgeous but that is not a good enough reason to breed. And are you sure you can afford it? With all of the tests that need to be done and vet checks? And are you sure you can find homes for all of the puppies? Are you willing to keep the ones that you can't find good homes for? There is so much to breeding and so many dogs that need to be rescued. I wouldn't do it and I've got a couple of gorgeous males too. Neutered of course. :p

[EliNHunter]

Almost everybody loves their dogs so much they would like to reproduce them. But it's simply irresponsible. Especially mixed breeds.

[Fran27]

I don't think you will have much luck finding an owner who wants to breed their female to a mix breed.

Honestly, I'm pretty much against breeding mixes as well, but if you had both dogs and you were sure you had people to get all the puppies, I would say go for it... although it would be better to have your dog checked for eyes, hips etc first to make sure you won't have unhealthy pups. But with just a male, even if you find a female, they usually don't let you have more than one puppy anyway.

[emwah]

Thanks for the advice, everyone, and so quick too. I dont' want you to think this is something i am jumping into, i am asking for advice and would never ever be irresponisble or do anything that would be harmful to any dog. So I hope noone jumps to the conclusion this is something i am rushing into full steam ahead. Thanks :-)

[Saje]

We know you are looking for advice and we are glad! You can't ask for much more than that, right? I know I appreciate that. So ask away! We're glad you're here.

[emwah]

Without being to controversial, what is wrong with cross breeds?

[juliefurry]

I would try to breed him with the same cross that you have. Make sure the tests of eyes and hips are done on both your dog and the female. How old is your dog? If he isn't two years old yet I would wait until he is atleast two.

[wildwings811]

I am not being confrontational in any way but I do have some questions

Have you had your dog checked for all hereditary defects?

Is your dog up to date on all of his vacc., worming, heartworm, and yearly exams?

Do you want to buy a ***** and raise the litter yourself?

Are you prepared to make no money in the process of raising a litter of pups?

Are you prepared financialy for emergencies?

Are you looking to just breed with someone elses *****?

Do you have a waiting list for all of these pups?

Are you prepared to take any of these pups back should they become homeless no matter what situation or condition they may have been or are in?

Are you prepared financially for any vetinary costs that may be involved with any pupies that may come back to you?

Do you really know what is involved in breeding and raising a litter?

Have you visited the local shelters lately?

[Saje]

Without being to controversial, what is wrong with cross breeds?

Nothing is wrong with crossbreeds! I have three mutts myself and the shelters are full of them.

I just think that there are very rare circumstances where more dogs should be added to this world. That breeding should be done with high quality dogs that will make their breed better. That it should be done with animals that have been thoroughly health tested and come from a healthy line of dogs so that common genetic problems will be rare. You have to remember that every puppy you have means that some poor shelter dog isn't going to find a home. And that there is a good change that your puppies will end up in a shelter or a bad home unless you are willing to take them out of a bad situation.

[bubbatd]

I doubt if you would ever find a good golden retriever owner who would want to breed to your dog. If you do, they certainly wouldn't be considered a good breeder. No one in their right mind would put their female through that for a mixed bunch of puppies. Take heart in the fact that a puppy from him may not even look/act/etc like him. More of the setter might come out and that's sure a far cry from a golden !!! Please have him neutered .

[Rose's Gal]

I doubt if you would ever find a good golden retriever owner who would want to breed to your dog. If you do, they certainly wouldn't be considered a good breeder. No one in their right mind would put their female through that for a mixed bunch of puppies. Take heart in the fact that a puppy from him may not even look/act/etc like him. More of the setter might come out and that's sure a far cry from a golden !!! Please have him neutered .
That is very true. When Blackie had his oops litter with a stray that we had adopted, I think only one pup turned out like Blackie. (Looks and temperament wise.) And that was out of 10 puppies too.

[gaddylovesdogs]

Without being to controversial, what is wrong with cross breeds?
Nothing at all :D! I've got two wonderful crosses, and love them to death, they're two awesome dogs. But there are too many mixes in shelters that are waiting for homes, and too many of them are euthanized every year because they don't have homes. If you breed your cross, you're taking away the chances of several dogs finding homes - the people who could be adopting a cross are instead buying one.

[showpug]

Please realize that breeding a dog, male or female is a HUGE responsibility! There are so many things to consider. Please read the links I will supply below. AND remember that your boy can get STD's yes, sexually transmitted diseases from breeding, so beware!!! Remember that the female could have 1 puppy or 12 puppies, you just don't know. If there is only one, how will you choose who gets it and clearly you will have to raise the female yourself because no one ever does a breeding arrangement where they breed their female and then you get all the puppies...more likley, you get 1 pick. If you own and breed the female then beware that whelping and rearing a litter takes a TON of time and the female can die or require a very expensive c-section to deliver the puppies! Remember, that if any of the puppies need to be bottle-fed, you must do it every 2 hours around the clock for quite some time and the must be stimulated to go to the bathroom...I hope you don't work or can take a months vacation from work when the whelping takes place to be there to make sure they are nursing and/or bottle feeding and that mom doesn't squish them when they are itty bitty in the whelping box. Anyway....I will stop being a pest. I can tell you love your dog, and I am sure he is beautiful, but please think this through.http://www.healthy-dogs.net/whentobreed.htm
http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/pdfs/allpets/breedingyourpet.pdf

[bubbatd]

I agree... especially if they expect the female's family to take this on !!!

[yuckaduck]

Nothing wrong with cross breeds at all. I actually know someone who is breeding golden retrievers with border collies and doing well with it as a hobby type thing of course. But he is breeding for arson dogs and he wants something that each breed contributes. I also know he spent alot of money on vet checks on both dogs and temperment tests and many many other things before he even bred for the first time. I also know he does not rebreed until all of the pups are sold to good homes on neuter/spay contracts, and he checks to be sure it is done. He tries to be as responsible as possible. He is the one advising me with breeding with Yukon and will be assisting me when we go looking for the female. When we live in a house not this small apartment. THere is so much to consider. I also know of someone who has been breeding gsd's for years and has always been responsible. She for some reason on her last litter had all puppies who came down with demonex and she has had to spay and neuter her breeding dogs. She doesn't want to chance this happening again and she did all the required tests. Now she has two pups left and is contimplating putting them down because they have real health problems. They are pure breed as well, what a tragedy! So there is never a guarantee that you will get nice healthy pups. So much to learn and to consider. Good luck, I am sure you will make the right choice.

[stirder]

theres absolutely nothing wrong with cross breeds. but intentionally breeding them IS wrong unless you are responsibly trying to create a new breed that serves a purpose another breed doesnt, or serves it better than other breeds. there are enough mixed breeds out there that need homes, no one needs to breed them.

[yuckaduck]

I agree completely so many out there that need homes unless of course it is for a good reason like the arson dogs, or something of that nature. I agree with the guy I know because he is very responsible about it but really short of that being a good reason I see no reason for it.

[showpug]

Nothing wrong with cross breeds at all. I actually know someone who is breeding golden retrievers with border collies and doing well with it as a hobby type thing of course. But he is breeding for arson dogs and he wants something that each breed contributes. I also know he spent alot of money on vet checks on both dogs and temperment tests and many many other things before he even bred for the first time. I also know he does not rebreed until all of the pups are sold to good homes on neuter/spay contracts, and he checks to be sure it is done. He tries to be as responsible as possible. He is the one advising me with breeding with Yukon and will be assisting me when we go looking for the female. When we live in a house not this small apartment. THere is so much to consider. I also know of someone who has been breeding gsd's for years and has always been responsible. She for some reason on her last litter had all puppies who came down with demonex and she has had to spay and neuter her breeding dogs. She doesn't want to chance this happening again and she did all the required tests. Now she has two pups left and is contimplating putting them down because no one wants them. They are pure breed as well, what a tragedy! So there is never a guarantee that you will get nice healthy pups. So much to learn and to consider. Good luck, I am sure you will make the right choice.

In regards to the GSD breeder that you know who had the demodex outbreak and now wants to euthanize 2 puppies that no one wants! How is that a responsible breeder? I understand that unforseen health problems can arise, but come on, euthanize the puppies? :confused: ANY truly responsible breeder agrees to keep any puppies that they can't find a home for. Resorting to euthanising "left overs" is ludicrous to me, I don't care if they have demodex or not, she brought them into the world and it's her responsibilty to make sure they have a home forever!!!

[yuckaduck]

Sorry I wasn't clear she doesn't want to put them down because they have not found a home she is thinking of it because their demonex is very bad. They are nearly bald and have several open sores that have gotten infected as a result of the demonex. She is fighting hard right now to try and get them through but she doesn't want them to suffer. Here vet suggested that it would probably be the best thing she could do. She has not yet made that decision as she feels horrible for this happening. However her vet told her it would be a never ending battle with this and these two dogs. They are a year old now and still having the same problems it has never cleared up at all. They also have very weak immune systems. That is why she is contemplating that choice. Not just because they are left over pups. She has been devasted by this to the point that she has stopped breeding altogether. She was breeding for almost 40 years before this one incident but she just can't help but blame herself.

[showpug]

Sorry I wasn't clear she doesn't want to put them down because they have not found a home she is thinking of it because their demonex is very bad. They are nearly bald and have several open sores that have gotten infected as a result of the demonex. She is fighting hard right now to try and get them through but she doesn't want them to suffer. Here vet suggested that it would probably be the best thing she could do. She has not yet made that decision as she feels horrible for this happening. However her vet told her it would be a never ending battle with this and these two dogs. They are a year old now and still having the same problems it has never cleared up at all. They also have very weak immune systems. That is why she is contemplating that choice. Not just because they are left over pups. She has been devasted by this to the point that she has stopped breeding altogether. She was breeding for almost 40 years before this one incident but she just can't help but blame herself.

Tell her (if she hasn't already tried it) to find a vet that will give her ivermectin for the pups. They take it orally and it really works in combination with antibiotics and sometimes mitaban dip. Pugs are plagued with demodex and I understand how serious it can be. I would also recommend she supplement them with a Solid Gold product called Life Exxtension. http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/products/showproduct.php?id=33&code=565
Read up on it...it may help.

[yuckaduck]

She has done that and at this point her vet is encouraging her to put down the poor dogs but she has not yet given up the fight. I will give her the link that you provided and maybe she can learn more as around here the vets seem to be in favour of destroying animals. They don't really have the patience required to be vets as far as I am concerned. For anything other than routine vaccines I drive 2 1/2 hours to find a vet who I trust. That is sad considering I live so close to Ottawa but they are all from the old school where put it down is the solution. Yuck, not right all the time. I have great respect for this lady in all her efforts to save these poor guys. She has a had them neuter and spayed to make sure they are never ever bred not even by accident. She will never maker her money back but at least she is truely trying hard.

[showpug]

She has done that and at this point her vet is encouraging her to put down the poor dogs but she has not yet given up the fight. I will give her the link that you provided and maybe she can learn more as around here the vets seem to be in favour of destroying animals. They don't really have the patience required to be vets as far as I am concerned. For anything other than routine vaccines I drive 2 1/2 hours to find a vet who I trust. That is sad considering I live so close to Ottawa but they are all from the old school where put it down is the solution. Yuck, not right all the time. I have great respect for this lady in all her efforts to save these poor guys. She has a had them neuter and spayed to make sure they are never ever bred not even by accident. She will never maker her money back but at least she is truely trying hard.

I am glad to hear that she is fighting the fight for them. It's too bad. Serious demodex can really be a problem, especially if they get a secondary infection like it seems like they have. Hope they make it :(

[bubbatd]

To go back to the question. No good owner of a good pure bred golden would ever consider breeding to your dog .

[Manchesters]

I am glad to hear that she is fighting the fight for them. It's too bad. Serious demodex can really be a problem, especially if they get a secondary infection like it seems like they have. Hope they make it :(

I can vouch for the horrors of the staph infection in dogs with demodex. That is why I quit breeding Dobes. And unfortunately Ivomec does not help. The dogs' feet become so infected, and the toes so swollen, that they cannot walk. They develop open weeping pus filled sores all over. Euthanasia is the only option. It is heartbreaking.

[yuckaduck]

That is exactly the state of these two dogs they don't even stand up anymore. She has decided if there is not big time improvement by Tues [Mon is a holiday here} then she is going to have them put down. It is so bad that they pee and poop with out standing and they just lay in it. So I think she is making the right choice although it is sad and terrible, but leaving them to continue to suffer would be even more cruel. She has stopped breeding altogether because this has devistated her so much. She truely loves the dogs and cares so much about them. I feel sorry for her and the dogs.

Original question: I think any responsible breeder will not allow their dog to be breed with a mixed breed. I know I would not even consider it with Yukon.

[stirder]

I agree with your final statement yuckaduck, I guess its possible that there is a responsible breeder who would. I cant imagine ANY reason for a responsible breeder to do so, but nothing is impossible, just many things are improbable.
manchesters?...you said thats why you stopped breeding dobes. do they have a high incedence of demodex? I knew the diluted colors (blue and fawn) have a high incidence of (cant remember the term?) balding that starts down around the tail base and the spreads forward? not sure if I got all that right, but they lose their hair and get a lot of ingrown hairs which get infected? I heard that they dont fully understand why but that the experts (breeders and vets I assume) think it is because the hair is so much finer. sorry if I totally butchered the facts there. thats I think how it was explained to me by breeders and a rescue director when I was contacting them for more info, see if a dobe was right for my wife. as much as we love rory I was pushing for a dobie, oh well maybe next one. anyway, if you, doberluv, or wildwings could explain it better I would appreciate it. maybe start another thread, I dont want to hijack this thread :)

[yuckaduck]

No even the arson dogs in Ontario I think it is very foolish to breed when every where else they take rescued dogs out of shelters and train them. I think it is much better to save as many unwanted dogs as possible before breeding too many. Of course the specific breeds that are wanted will have to continue having responsible breeders. We will be breeding shepherds someday but we sure will be responsible about it. It will not be our only source of income as there is no money in breeding shepherds, we know that, it will be a hobby.

[s.b.t.adams]

Hi all, I am a newbie and looking for some help.
We are blessed with a golden retriever red setter cross who is the sweetest most nice natured dog I have ever owned !! and gorgeous to look at to.
We have so many friends and family that would love to have one of his pups so we are looking for a female (this forum keeps bleeping out b**ch!). I know this is probably a strange request as it is not for a pure pedigree and I know some may disagree with the principle.
Does anybody know anyone with this type of breed, does this cross have a particular name? any info would be gladly welcomed.
I know that a lot of you will have a lot more knowledge than me :-)

Emma.
hi their i owned a redsetter x golden retriever for 14yrs and if you find a mate would be really interested in having one of your pups theese are by far the best cross breed in existance!!!

[s.b.t.adams]

hi their i owned a redsetter x golden retriever for 14yrs and if you find a mate would be really interested in having one of your pups theese are by far the best cross breed in existance!!!

[RedyreRottweilers]

So you can judge what will come out of this cross, and how all these crosses are, by owning one dog that was of this supposed ancestry?

If your dog had been a difficult one, would you then say that it's a bad cross, and no one should have one?

On the original topic, intentional creation of cross bred puppies for the pet trade is irresponsible, no matter how "honorable" the original intentions are.

[Zoom]

How did this get pulled up from July is my question. :confused:

[Saje]

lol that's what I was thinking. Just to recap on the year's events.... :p

[Gallien Jacks]

yes I dont think this person has posted since

[bubbatd]

Interesting!! I still say it's a roll of the dice.... You can never breed a mix and be assured of the results. The best of both breeds or the worst could result. If you do find a GOOD sire...I doubt if they would be interested...if you find a sire (of either breed) I doubt if there were health checks .

[bubbatd]

sbt ... is yours a male ??? My old setter was fostered while my Dad was overseas WW2 ...( he went haywire when he left ) ...while fostered he sired a litter of 12 at 14 yrs old !!

[xxxpoo]

Hopefully he found somebody to breed with. If I would have known, I would have offered my assistance.:D

[Gallien Jacks]

Hopefully he found somebody to breed with. If I would have known, I would have offered my assistance.:D
there you go again!

[bubbatd]

XXX....How ??? You have " poos" , You've joined 2 days ago....any good input to this forum ???

[Fran27]

I think he's a troll...

[lucille]

Hopefully he found somebody to breed with. If I would have known, I would have offered my assistance.:D

That sounds illegal....:eek:

[Gallien Jacks]

That sounds illegal....:eek:
lmao good one :D