Help...Euthanise Now? Kidney/iv Fluids? [Archive]

Leeb

07-19-2005, 04:49 PM

Hi there,

I am new here. I have a 12 year old Catahoula named Clooney who is around 28 lbs. Yesterday it was almost a hundred degrees out and he started vomiting. I cooled him down, but he still can't keep any water down, is completely lethargic and won't even bother with the most incredible food offered. His breathing is rather labored, seems dehydrated...he has also lost about 20 lbs in the last two years. Two years ago during a heat wave he had bloat and the vet said it was probably tumors and he would die within 72 hrs. I slept on his bed with him for four or five nights constantly monitoring him as I am doing now as well. He obviously pulled through but began losing weight after that.

I feel from everything I have read that it is most likely kidney problems/failure, worst case. I am also BROKE. I may be able to get free euthanisation due to the vet promising it to me that last time because of overcharging, but am obviously UNWILLING to do it until it is the last resort.

I have been reading about IV fluid use at home and was wondering if anyone had any experience with that...cost...set up by vets (what they want to do and charge you for before you can do it at home). Also, any opinions on how to help poor Clooney now? I could see a vet and maybe afford that, but not all the test fees. Cloo is right here next to me panting and unable to sleep. Uncomfortable. Not sure it is the right time to kill. Sorry for the blunt use, but that is how I see it. Humane, but killing.

He and I are far too close. Please help us.

And to make matters worse, my mother is arriving in three hours to an extremely messy environment and she is staying with me for a week due to having surgery TOMORROW.

When it rains, it pours.

Love,
Lee

showpug

07-19-2005, 04:58 PM

I don't know what to say, but I am sorry about your dog. It is so hard when they are old and sick. Your dog's symptoms sound serious and it sounds like he is suffering. If you are not able to, or willing to find out what is wrong than he needs to be euthanized. From the symptoms you are describing it sounds to me like he is very ill and it will cost a bit to do enough diagnostic testing to determine his condition/illness or disease. Poor guy :( From my vet clinic experience, I can tell you that it is rare that a vet will allow a client to do I.V. Fluids at home. They usually allow subcantaneous fluids to be given by the client at home, but not I.V. I.V. fluids are more complicated and require more skill and equipment etc. Plus it is not safe to leave an I.V. catheter in for more than 2-3 days, this would mean that you would have to insert and new one to continue treatment which is hard for the pros at times, especially if the dog is old and dehydrated. I wish I could be of more help, either way, you will make the right decision. Listen to what your dog is telling you and go with your heart and gut on this one. :(

Richie12345

07-19-2005, 04:59 PM

I am no vet or anything, but I think you should put him down... he seems like he's suffering. This must be really hard for you, I'm sorry...

BagelDog

07-19-2005, 05:01 PM

Have you taken him to the vet?

Go to the vet and ask if he thinks thats the best choice, but ask what all your options are, and ask what good each option would do, to make sure if he was treated, he would have a good quality of life.

And explain to your vet about your money trouble, maybe he can help you out.

aurorab

07-19-2005, 05:08 PM

Have you tried an SPCA or clinic? Sometimes they have low cost or payment plans.
If you touch his gums, it should turn white then go back to red or if they are already white (w/ touching them) another thing is if you pull up on their skin and it stays in that position. It should bounce right back into place. But this sounds like its a bit more than just this, especially w/ the weight loss.
I know it's not something that you want to do but if he is suffering, and you do love him so much, do you really want to put him through so much pain? Of course if you can find someone that can help him and you can afford and it will improve his quality of life that's great. But at the very least talk to a vet and keep an open mind and keep his best interests in mind, even if it is hard for you and not what you want. I know it's not a easy time right now, but we are here if you need us.

poeluvr

07-19-2005, 05:18 PM

im sorry. if you have decided to do it just get it over with...is my advice

Renee750il

07-19-2005, 05:25 PM

Something that will help you right now with the dehydration and should give him a bit of ease and possibly perk him up a bit, since you and Clooney obviously need some time to know what to do next.

You can use Pedialyte, or, what I would do, is go to a farm supply store and get some electrolyte solution for calves, along with a bottle for feeding an animal. Mix up some of the electrolyte solution, I'd say around 1/5 strength for a dog that size and try and get it down him. Slowly, slowly. Let him have some and rest, then repeat in 15 or 20 minutes. That should help get him re-hydrated some. If you need to mix it with a little diluted chicken broth to get him to take it that would probably do him good.

bubbatd

07-19-2005, 11:24 PM

What does your vet say ??????

Leeb

07-21-2005, 04:25 PM

Thank you to all who responded. Sadly, I took Clooney into the vet and held him in my arms last night as he was injected. Now I am in heavy grief/guilt mode and will search the forums for help. I did try the Pedialyte and thank you so much for that, it did ease things for a bit, just enought for he and I to make the right decision. This is the hardest thing I've ever done.

Love,
Lee

aurorab

07-21-2005, 04:34 PM

Lee I'm so sorry but it was probably his time. Just know that you had a wonderful time together and that he loved you as mich as you loved him. He will always be w/ you in your heart. Remember the good times, he woul dwant you to.
Baby, Mira and I send our deepest sympathies.

Zoom

07-21-2005, 05:45 PM

I'm so sorry you had to put your boy down, but you shouldn't feel guilty over it. You tried as hard as you could to make him better, and made the hard, but humane, choice when both of you realized that things just weren't going to improve. It's sucks that it came down to that decision, but I think it was the right thing to do.

Barb04

07-21-2005, 06:21 PM

I'm so sorry. Just take it a day at a time. You did the best thing for your friend and he knew how much you loved him. He will always be with you in your heart and memories forever. Please let us know how you are doing and know we are hear to listen and help you in any way we can.

showpug

07-21-2005, 06:52 PM

My thoughts are with you during this very sad time. I have been there and I know how it makes you feel. Just remember to take it one day at a time. Your dog is in a better place now and he's happy. Take care.

Manchesters

07-23-2005, 02:18 PM

I know it is after the fact, but was Clooney kept outside? He must have been, to go into heat stroke. Dogs belong inside with their owners, not out in the yard all day, especially during the summer heat.......or the freezing cold of winter for that matter.

Sorry you had to put him down, but 12 is a pretty good age for a dog of that breed. Just bear in mind that if you get another dog, plan on doing right by it, and making a house dog of it!

Leeb

07-23-2005, 03:33 PM

I don't believe I ever intimated he was an outside dog or had heatstroke, especially after mentioning how much weight he had lost over the last two years. He had RENAL FAILURE. It just HAPPENS to be hot out right now and I don't have A/C, but did bring his core temp down in a few ways. It was not heatstroke, for godsake. I kept him inside and cherished him like the soulmate he was. Sorry if I sound harsh, but I am about to go pick up his ashes and your post seems really insensitive to me.

poeluvr

07-23-2005, 03:38 PM

manchester, dont take what leeb saying hard, maybe you do have a point who knows, i didnt really read too much into it so dont know. but what really is the point of telling leeb what could be wrong, if hes already put down? i know u were trying to be helpful , and in another situation i am sure this suggestion would be much apprechiated,but i dont think no matter how right u are it will go over well at this time.

Leeb

07-23-2005, 03:44 PM

My point exactly, Lea. Thank you. Manchester either didn't read my initial post very well or is possible trying to make some sort of example of me or use my loss as a soapbox issue. Not appreciated at this time. Seems to completely defeat the purpose of this site due to it's rather negative and accusatory tone. I came here for empathy and help, not a lecture. I'm in GRIEF! Man.
I'm off to get Clooney's ashes now.

poeluvr

07-23-2005, 03:50 PM

yea i understand, may he REST IN PEACE.

EliNHunter

07-23-2005, 04:01 PM

Lee... I'm so sorry about your loss. I'm sure your baby had a good, full life with you, though. Hang onto and cherish those memories. I had 3 of my babies go within a year of each other. I have all their urns proudly displayed with pictures of them when they were in their prime. Which they're in again now now that they've crossed Rainbow Bridge. You will see your baby again some day and he's in a much better place not suffering and knowing how much he was loved. (((HUGS)))

poeluvr

07-23-2005, 05:14 PM

it will pass. it may not seem like it...but it always does.

Manchesters

07-23-2005, 05:22 PM

Heat stroke can lead to kidney failure and a lot of other problems. Considering the number of people who leave dogs out in all kinds of weather unattended my assumption was a correct one. And you admit the dog's temperature was elevated. Sooooooooo? What I was trying to say was that if the dog's problem was from something you had done, I hope it won't be repeated.

I just lost a dog of 12 years last week. The month before that I had to have my Velcro dog put to sleep at 13 years of age. But I sure ain't crying around on discussion groups for sympathy. Putting dogs to sleep when their lives become a burden to them is simply part of responsible dog ownership.

At least my post and what I said was not incorrect. If you don't like the way I said it, sorry about that. But my concern is with the feelings of the dogs.

poeluvr

07-23-2005, 07:14 PM

gaddylovesdogs

07-23-2005, 07:29 PM

Manchester why are you acting this way? If she had left him outdoors in hot weather 24/7, yes, I certainly would have been a little irritated with her too, but she says she didn't do that, he wasn't a permanant outdoor dog.

Leeb I'm very sorry about your boy :(

poeluvr

07-23-2005, 08:05 PM

smkie

07-23-2005, 11:00 PM

personally when Bronki had to be eunthanized..a felt like bits of broken glass..and he had cancer and it tore me up..so i did write about it..that is one of the parts of this forum that meant so much to me..everyone made room for him here..let him live in my memories..allowed me to share my grief. Becuase if this (if it was looking for sympathy, then yes, i needed it by the bucketload) i was able to feel better..tallking about him really helped. Maybe it is a part of dog ownership..so is life, and when i lose my mother i have no idea how i will manage..i hope it is not for a zillion years..but i know how it will feel..and i hope i will have friends like i have met here to help me thru the pure pain of this. have a heart Manchester.

EliNHunter

07-23-2005, 11:21 PM

I just lost a dog of 12 years last week. The month before that I had to have my Velcro dog put to sleep at 13 years of age. But I sure ain't crying around on discussion groups for sympathy

Manchesters... this is totally uncalled for and I think you owe an apology. That IS what this discussion group is here for (among other things). Please check your attitude at the door before coming online to this board.

smkie

07-23-2005, 11:38 PM

i had heat stroke two summers ago..my temp was 106 by the time the abulance got there, i was way hotter before that..they managed to get a line into me and rehydrate..after that i was ok, except the heat effects me far more now then it ever did in the past..only you and your vet can tell..i wouldn't give up if there is improvement. Bronki had a large tumor in his lung and one in his throat, i could have brought him home for a week or two, but i knew he was already uncomfortable..and i promised him the day he was born that i would never let him suffer. I am sure your vet would do what ever you asked and let you make payments..
i hope your dog will improve and beat the odds for more time on earth with you..if not, i hope one day you will walk together again...i have the same hope for my bronki.

yuckaduck

07-23-2005, 11:45 PM

Ok you got my fur standing up Manchester. This is neither the time or the place to start bashing someone after they lost there friend/pet. Have alittle compassion please. I am new here too and I think it would be nice to give out advice like maybe saying perhaps it would be better to keep your dog inside or perhaps provide more shade for him. It is very inappropriate to be little someone, my god please have a heart. Why are you being so mean? I agree an apology is very much in order. Maybe you can get over your grief faster than others, that's okay but I thought this forum was to help each other out. Part of owning a dog is losing a dog and if I can offer some sympathy and compassion to someone who is grieving than it would be my pleasure. If you are not happy with someone asking for symapthy then don't read posts like this one. I am very angry at the way you have reacted to this and am going to stop now before something is said that shouldn't be. I have been civil in the past but I feel the animal coming out. Try to not be so nasty please.

bubbatd

07-24-2005, 12:20 AM

I haven't posted because my sig shows me smiling and I'm sure not.!!! Lee you have my heartfelt sympathy . Manchester , maybe you should have posted your loss here... not for sympathy ( if you didn't want it ) but for support. That's what's we're here for . I too feel you should soften your heart and your words . I feel you should extend some of your feelings to Lee since you've gone through it so rescently and are obviously still bitter about your loss. Lee's only 12.....I don't know how old you are, but please learn to be sensitive.

chazhound

07-24-2005, 03:15 AM

I am so sorry for your loss Leeb.

Manchester, that was a horrible way to address a person's loss. please don't post in this thread anymore. You seem to be incapable of understanding compassion.

Chazhound

Richie12345

07-24-2005, 03:24 AM

I would love to say some rather mean things to you, manchester, but I believe I shouldn't. You know you were going to offend, yet you said it anyways. Don't you care for this poor dog lover, Leeb? No, you don't... I don't know why I am typing this, by now you are just ignoring this thread. Leeb, I'm so sorry that this thread has gone off into what's not important... what is most important here is you. I suggest that you honor this dog by making a thread in Rainbow Bridge if you already haven't

EliNHunter

07-24-2005, 04:11 AM

You have such a good heart, Richie... my seniments exactly...

Leeb

07-24-2005, 04:39 AM

Hi there,

I want to thank everyone who has written kind words. I also am stunned, honored, and very impressed by some of the top dogs and frequent posters coming out to defend me.

Manchester, if you had read my original post clearly, I asked about sub-c fluids and had said kidney failure was the likely culprit as Clooney has been losing weight for two years. He went from 49 to 30. I NEVER keep him outside. He has been by my side for 12 years. I take him to the dog park during appropriate weather and on supervised "doing his business" yard visits. Due to his health over the last year, more strenuous activities have been scaled back. My vet said first it was spleen tumors then renal failure. It was just a long time coming and I was lulled into a complacency of love for my dog. I took better care of him than most people take care of their children. I looked at your website and noticed you have quite a soapbox going on there. Are you some sort of dog expert that we are not aware of? To be attacked and accused that I neglected my most beloved friend is abhorrent. I have read over 200 books on dog training, developed my own style, taught others, all with love and sensitivity. AND responsibility in EVERY area.

Let me also say that I mentioned EMPATHY, not SYMPATHY. There is a difference. Look it up.

You know, when you lose someone, you go through the stages of grief. One of them is anger. Maybe you are feeling some of that, losing your dog so recently. I had luckily kept my anger to myself, not inflicting it upon others, but you have me so angry I am severely controlling my fingers from typing things that I shouldn't.

I am trying to focus on the positive posts, but wow, your first post was bad enough. Your second post was even MORE rude. I feel sorry for you. And for your dogs.

Regarding empathy, please do look it up. And everyone else IS right. What the h*ll is wrong with sympathy at a time like this???? I wasn't asking for it. I wasn't posting in a bereavement section. I was posting because Clooney had a medical problem and I was looking for advice.

I am horrified by you. But everyone else, you are amazing! Maybe if Manchester apologizes I will feel a bit better sooner, but as it stands, EVERYTHING takes time.

Thanks again to all of you. I always knew when Clooney passed I would be left feeling more alone than I ever have. The guilt of having to "put him to sleep" as he gazed into my eyes, the emptiness of every moment in my house despite loved ones. He truly was my everything. Some may think I placed too much importance on him, but I'm not sorry. He gave me more than anyone. I would have gladly given my life for him.

With love,
Lee

Babyblue5290

07-24-2005, 04:45 AM

I'm so sorry your poor friend has passed on. RIP Cloony!
I'm also sorry you got such a bad response from one person, but am glad you realize not everyone (actually no one else) here thought that of you....I have never had to make the decision to put one of my doggies to sleep, I'm not sure i would be strong enough to do that! So I can't say I know how you feel, but I know it must be very hard to have your friend leave you in that way, but it was the best thing you could do for him!
RIP Cloony! and I hope you feel better soon!

Leeb

07-24-2005, 05:20 AM

I thought maybe since this thread has gotten so weird I would include a couple pix of Clooney so you can see who we are talking about.

xoxo
Leeb

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a41/leeb23/6d7aef3a.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a41/leeb23/SmilinCloo.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a41/leeb23/ClooChildInWell.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a41/leeb23/picture1.jpg

Maybe too many but I'm a little out of my mind right now. This is also my first time posting pictures. I will check out Rainbow Bridge and all the other part of this incredible site and find more appropriate places to post pix from now on.

Babyblue5290

07-24-2005, 05:24 AM

awww he is a hansome boy!!
What breeds are he?
I'm assuming he is a mix so tell me if I'm wrong.

Leeb

07-24-2005, 05:31 AM

Thank you :) . I do think he is a handsome boy.

I got him at the pound but over the years after meeting others and doing research he is mostly a Catahoula Spotted Leopard Dog. They are actually the state dog of Louisiana. I, of course, live in Oregon. When he was at his prime, his body was a bit thicker and more Catahoula-like but I'm sure there is a tiny something more in him. Maybe Australian Shephard...who knows? He had an extremely sensitive and gentle temperment. So smart, too. Knew over a hundred words. Brag, brag, brag. I miss that little muzzle so.

Babyblue5290

07-24-2005, 05:36 AM

I bet he was a wonderful dog! :)
I like Catahoula dogs, most people have never seen them, but I think they are adorable! And your guy sure is hansome! :)

Renee750il

07-24-2005, 08:55 AM

Leeb, that's a hard thing you did, but you did something for Clooney that is beyond price - you love him enough to let him go on when life became an intolerable burden to him, and that is one of the most difficult things you will ever be faced with choosing.

Clooney will be watching over you, and one day, when the time is right, you'll find yourself gazing into the eyes of a new friend sent by Clooney to protect you from the loneliness.

yuckaduck

07-24-2005, 10:48 AM

He is an absolutely gorgous dog/friend, and I read your post about thinking to much of your dog, no way man they are part of the family. Our best friends, our kids, our friends. They deserve the best that any life can offer and I believe you gave that to Clooney. I bet he is watching you right now and saying thank you, I love you too mom. He will wait for you, and you will be reunited someday. Please ingnore the yahoo and understand we all are standing right beside you and ready to offer a shoulder to lean on anytime. This is what this forum is about, helping each other. I feel for you because I have been there and it is hard but you did what a loving friend needed to do. Don't second guess, he knows how much you love him. You can see it in his face, he was a happy pooch. Never doubt the love we have for our pets and the love we have for family because that is what they are. Whether you kept him inside, outside or upside down no one has the right to behave as Manchester did. I see Chazhound has request Manchester to not post here anymore. Good for you. Appologies are definantly needed. Although you would be a mighty big person to accept it, because I never could. You are a very loving person and my condolances are with you every minute of the day.

EliNHunter

07-24-2005, 12:02 PM

Leeb... thank you for posting Clooney's pictures. What a sweet soul... I can see it in his eyes and what a sweet face he has! He's watching over you now and thanking you for such a good life. He's in a much better place and will meet up with you when the time is right. He will probably send another your way when the time is right, too. I know... my Yogi sent another my way and now I have Hunter. Take care (((HUGS))).

Doberluv

07-24-2005, 12:25 PM

I'm so sorry for your loss. I know how hard this is for you. I had to part with my almost 14 yr. old Lab not too long ago. After having a dog so long, they are such a part of you and having to make that decision so they don't suffer more is the hardest. I guess that's what we have to do when we have pets. My heart goes out to you.

EliNHunter

07-24-2005, 12:54 PM

I wanted to share a pic of my original duo... Yogi and Eli. I lost them within a year of each other. I lost Yogi first... had to make that heartwrenching decision as you did. But approximately 4 mos. later he sent Hunter my way. Hunter was scheduled to be euthanized at the shelter and I got him out of there. A totally untrained rogue, but I knew he had a good heart. Yogi knew that, too. One thing about Yogi was he would always run off. Never could be off leash. Well, wouldn't you know that Hunter is by my side and NEVER runs off. He comes the second I call him. Doesn't chase after other dogs or run over to neighbors' houses, nothing! He's such a good dog. Then there was Eli... my heart dog... who died peacefully in his sleep at age 12. He had lymphoma and was going through chemo. Was playing happily right before he died. Vet said it was probably a blood clot due to the chemo. He will send another golden my way when it's time, I just know it....
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/EliNHunter/Amigos2.jpg

yuckaduck

07-24-2005, 01:05 PM

Sorry for your lose and I truely believe as you do that another will be sent your way when the time is right and when it is needed. Sorry for your lose and they are both gorgous looking doggy's

smkie

07-24-2005, 01:07 PM

you and your dog are beautiful together...hugs.and hugs i am so sorry for your loss.

EliNHunter

07-24-2005, 01:07 PM

Sorry for your lose and I truely believe as you do that another will be sent your way when the time is right and when it is needed. Sorry for your lose and they are both gorgous looking doggy's

Thank you, yuckaduck. They were truly special...

Debi

07-24-2005, 02:41 PM

I'm reading this rather late, but I just wanted to say how sorry I am, Leeb. My heart breaks for you. It is the hardest decision to ever make, but you did the right thing...it was just time. I know that's all been said, and actually words really can't express the sadness of it all. HUGS to you...please keep in touch to let us know how you are doing.

Irish

07-24-2005, 06:02 PM

Like Debi just said, I'm reading this kind of late and it has all be said prior, but I just had to say how sorry I was too. He looked like such a loving spirit. May he rest in peace, and may you find peace. You made the right decision. Take care of yourself.

Ash47

07-24-2005, 06:11 PM

Please keep in touch Leeb. We are not all out to get you. We all feel for you. I had a heart dog, which is what we call the dog we were most close to, and he passed on a few years ago. You never get over it, but you begin to see that you made the sensible decision or that the right thing happened. My Bruno, may he RIP, sent Roxy Mae my way and she is now next in line to be my heart dog. Clooney will send another to you when he knows you are ready. Just rest assured, Clooney will always look after you and always make sure you have a companion that is very close to and watching over you. Bruno sent Roxy this way and now she never leaves me. I am very sorry and you may grieve here for as long as you want/need.

Adrienne

07-24-2005, 08:35 PM

I am so sorry about the loss of your friend and companion. Making decisions like that are so terribly hard, being torn between doing right by your dog and wanting to hang on just a little longer to the love you had. I hope that you will find all the support you need here and that someday you will be ready to open your heart to another love.

My deepest condolences,

Adrienne

gaddylovesdogs

07-24-2005, 10:31 PM

Lee, Clooney looks like he was a wonderful little boy. RIP Clooney. :(

I know how it feels to loose a pet....I have never had a dog die....but I have birds and lizards and fish, and seriously I just cried, because I wanted them back so bad.

Manchesters

07-26-2005, 02:32 AM

I could swear I had responded to this thread......HOWEVER, what I read was that the dog was having kidney problems possibly because of HEAT. I know that there was no air conditioning. My post was written before the second post that the dog had been put to sleep.

I KNOW I have answered this thread, darn it! I remember that there was no air conditioning, and then we were off and running about who needs A/C!!!

It gets very tiresome having to explain what I mean to those who seem to have English as a second language. I say what I mean, and mean what I say. If I misunderstand a post and respond like an idiot, that is just mea culpa. I am not in a bad mood, I just am used to reading about dogs being left outside in all kinds of weather, so it is a natural conclusion that when a dog is affected by heat it is because it has been left out in the weather.

I just got my electric bill for July---$216. About $120 of that is for air conditioning. My dogs sure wouldn't do well in extremely hot conditions--whether inside or out. Nor would I!

Anyway, how about you good people discuss dogs, and not how people should phrase what they say! If I put my foot in my mouth, that is my shame, and I will live with it. Whoever here is perfect, let them cast the first stone.

I am responding to this because I just received the various posts via e-mail this AM (Tuesday AM). Let us move on to greater and better things. From now on I shall limit my conversation to answering questions regarding health or training. I shall keep my opinions to myself. My thoughts are not your thoughts, roflmao.

blue

07-26-2005, 03:43 AM

I was wrong about you Manchesters, if you do not want to be helpfull do not respond. If you want to be helpfull be tactfull at the least helpfull and not hurtfull, I know you dont have time to be nice. Take time and have tact and be helpfull! If you are going to respond...

blue

07-26-2005, 03:50 AM

Julie I really hope you are lurking.. Manchesters is above us, Im sorry I gave her the bennifit of the doubt now. Manchesters, I hope you outlive your dogs, I hope you let them go easy and not try to live on through their champions.

Sleep easy Manchester.

skyhigh

07-26-2005, 08:19 AM

Awww, Manchester. That's exactly what you should do. Go say sorry to Lee. Changing your spirit is great. Im with you. Just keep those mean words inside of you and speak the nice. lol. Good night everyone

avenlee

07-26-2005, 02:17 PM

Lee, I'm so very sorry for your loss and that hard decision you had to make. I believe you did the right thing and that's all you need to know within yourself. Don't feel guilty and don't let one rotten apple spoil the rest of us on this forum. We all are truly sorry for your loss and hope you are feeling better soon!

Sorry, I read this post very late. I was on vacation all weekend until Monday.

You take care and please come back and contribute to this wonderful forum.

(((HUGS)))

avenlee

07-26-2005, 02:18 PM

yuckaduck

07-29-2005, 10:20 AM

I really hate bringing this up espically here when it is suppose to be for sympathies not this type of thing but if you don't like the way Manchesters responds and you continually post about it; don't ya think she has the right to defend herself. Somewhere, someone just has to say ok enough and move on to better things. There will always be people who say things differently than us and always be people who are more blunt than others. Sure I disagree with the tact that was used but I said my piece earlier and that's it. If you truely feel that bad about Manchesters post and in your heart you feel she is that bad than ignore her. See we as humans and as adults [some kids]{but here they act like adults} have the ability to just ignore what we don't like and move on. The more you respond the more it is kept going the worse it is.

Manchesters

07-29-2005, 02:08 PM

Very often color our responses to some situations. After DECADES of trying to fathom the thinking of the absolute idiots I have encountered, it is logical to jump to the conclusion that if there is a problem related to excess heat it is because the poor dog has been kept out in the heat. I responsed based upon my expeirences. The second post I believe came up AFTER I had posted.

As a senior (very senior) citi8zen myself, I am of the FIRM belief that no dog over 10 should be exposed to temps over 85 degrees. Inside or out. If someone is in such a situation as Leeb, I would be willing to buy a Walmart gift card and donate it toward getting a window unit A/C. If a bunch of us just forked out $5 each it would work. My friend Liz told me that Walmart has 5000 BTU window units for $78! There is no reason anyone should have to suffer like that. And a window unit would not run up the electric bill all that much. My $200 bill includes the central unit, a 27 inch TV on all day, my computer on all day, two Tivos, a WebTV and the usual clocks etc. So running a little window unit should not make anyone's bill too out of sight.

And I don't see why anyone should feel shy about mentioning a problem if they have one, either.

HECK, COME TO THINK OF IT...........ABOUT MY $200 BILL.......just kidding. God is good, and always assures I have just enough to cover all my bills.

Oh GOOOOODDDD! It is pouring outside (as only a FLorida downpour can be!!) This will drop the temp about 15 degrees!!!

A good day to all!

smkie

07-29-2005, 02:24 PM

i had that little unit at my other house..and it does work nicely for one room. small but powerful. the best rule of thumb to remember according to what i read, is that it is 30 degrees hotter for a dog then it is for a human. i am not a well woman and can attest that the heat affects me differently then it use to.. i do not sweat and that is a big problem in itself. if you ad health problems bump that 30 degrees number up. Ways to cool your dog if u do not have ac (i did not for 4 years including one year of puppies) freeze 2 liter bottles in the freezer, lay a towel over them and set them out..dogs will go to them and lean their hot bodies..the puppies we had were to hot to nurse, they couldn't pant and suck at the same time..it was a terrible heat wave..so i took the little 20 oz bottles and did the same..two bottles with a towel over and a pup inbetween..they were as comfy and happy as could be..i was dying, but they were all back to normal...also i would take a bowl of ice water and a wash cloth going over the dogs bodies, especially the tummy feet and ears every half hour or so..with a fan on the floor we all managed to stay cool..ad some mint leaves to the water for yourself..we had a big basin for the people...(kids and me) and one for the dogs..i took a blanket outside in the shade (cooler then in the house) a stack of washclothes and good books. There are ways around ac..but they are more work. the dog in my avatar was one of those puppies :)

Leeb

07-29-2005, 03:04 PM

Well, thanks for bringing this all up again. Sarcasm intact.

Manchester, did Chazhound ask you/tell you to NOT post on this thread anymore? Because my eyes say she DID.

I can't believe I have to write ONE MORE clarifying post to show that I am a good dog owner and explain myself and hopefully show you or maybe just myself that I am not the DEVIL.

I live in Portland, Oregon. We rarely get above 82 degrees during the summer. We had a very unusual heatwave. As I have said, I DID NOT KEEP CLOONEY OUTSIDE. And the inside heat wasn't very bad as we have a large house we keep dark and cool during times like that. Along with many fans and cooling baths and temperature taking, CLOONEY DID NOT HAVE HEATSTROKE THAT CAUSED RENAL FAILURE. As I had said in my previous post, I was aware that the renal failure was coming for the last two years. I was just hope against hoping that maybe it was the heat. BUT if you had read my first post CAREFULLY, you would see that I didn't blame it on heatstroke. I was only interested in sub-c fluids for RENAL FAILURE. I mistook, due to my irrational hope, his panting for possible reaction to the heat, when actually drinking, throwing it up, and dehydration are signs that they are in the final stages of renal failure.

I am not stupid. I do not keep my animals in subpar conditions so I would suggest you don't bring to the table your PRECONCEIVED ideas and post them so willy nilly to a board. YOU may not be as attached to your dogs, but some of us ARE. I had let this insanely stupid behavior of yours go but I got an alert on my email saying someone had responded and so once again I feel I have to defend myself.

I see you have been a member of this board for just over a month and have offended and hurt more people than just me. And for the record, NO, I have not gotten any apology from Manchester, in case anyone is curious. I don't think Manchester has the type of personality to ever admit she was wrong without justifying it to the nth degree.

Can't you just be NICE and let me grieve???? Must you continue your petty defense and hostile posts? As I said, the OWNER of this site asked you to NOT post here anymore. Though a private apology would be nice. Frankly though, your state of mind scares me. I'm sure any apology would be filled with your insane reasons why you decided to use my post as a pulpit for heatstroke.

I somehow doubt you will read this with a full degree of comprehension since you seem to jump to conclusions so easily. But as CHAZHOUND herself said, do not post to this thread again. And if you find it in your heart, perhaps a private simple apology would be nice. I realize sympathy isn't your forte and I'm not asking YOU for it. But you portraying me as such a horrible dog owner is staggeringly rude and cruel, considering the circumstances.

Am I wrong here, folks? I mean, admittedly I am in mourning and that can cause all sorts of emotions, but I feel I am and have given Manchester MORE than enough information to show that she is assuming far too much about my situation and at this point just trying to prove how much SHE knows etc. She doesn't give a whit about me or my dog. If you look at her other posts you can see just how insensitive she is. And a "ROTFLMAO" just isn't going to do it for me. There is nothing to laugh about here.

Have I made myself clear enough or do most of you still think it was heatstroke and I kept Clooney in high temps during his illness?

With great sincerity,
Lee

Leeb

07-29-2005, 03:11 PM

Oh, one more thing.

Manchester, you said "It gets very tiresome having to explain what I mean to those who seem to have English as a second language."

Unbelievably rude AND bigoted as well. And that was just ONE sentence I decided to pluck out of your last post (hopefully).

I certainly hope Chazhound bans you, for nearly all concerned.

bubbatd

07-29-2005, 03:21 PM

Methinks the heat is getting to manchester....must be living in a trailor.... they get hot !

yuckaduck

07-29-2005, 03:35 PM

I don't see just Manchester as the problem you all keep laying out the bait. Leeb I am truely sorry for your lose and in my heart I believe you were a great owner, and I never ever thought ill of you. This is not the thread to continue this I asked before lay off, so please take this arguing into private mails away from the rest of us. All of you, not just Manchester. How is the smart a## comments and sarcasm going to stop this behaviour. Never ever should anyone have to explain this often and go through twice the grief. I believe to many are heartless here in contunuing this arguement. Stop It Now.

Manchesters

07-29-2005, 04:03 PM

I am sorry that I mis-read the original post and jumped to a totally wrong conclusion. In future I will ask before assuming. But even then sometimes people get offended just by being asked. Really, in some instances, ya just cannot win.

I did not mean to hurt feelings or to offend. I live in the south, where many people are too ignorant to be allowed to own dogs. I see the poor dogs out in the yards with blue tongues from the heat. I was wrong for even having a suspicion that this was a case of heat exhaustion. MEA CUPLA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA.

Anyone who wishes to further insult the heck out of me is free to do so. But, on the other hand, maybe we should all start simply asking each other "just what the devil do you mean by what you said" before WE jump to conclusions about what each other might have meant, or what mean underhanded message was really intended???

I went thru a 10 days of a dog fading and dying....a puppy I had raised for 13 years. She only died a week ago. No vets opened thanks to Dennis, etc. I kept her fed and hydrated, and she slept as she passed away. One month before that I had to have my TMT Kelly put to sleep.....the black lump attached to my body for 12 years. Yeah, I know exactly what it is to loose a dog. In the last year I have lost 8. Four were lost to Ivan while I was dying in the hospital from Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. I do believe that 105 degree fever did fry my brain a bit, and make me a little more short tempered. Can't tell......I have always been a grouch.

But again, I AM SORRY.