Omg Guess What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[azcowgirl]

ok i know i have been doing alot of threads and im sorry but guess what! i was looking in the paper today! and i seen pitbull puppy for sale 8 weeks old parents on site and so i called and asked that woman if i can go see him and guess who has a pitbull now!!!!!!! me! i was so happy! hes purebred she showed us the moms and dads papers and then i got to see the parents also! well its better now so i can train this one and everything! what do u guyz think?! ill take some pictures in a while after he gets usto being here :D

[blue]

Pics pics pics pics pics pics pics. Take sopme for yourself as well you can never have too many.

[Babyblue5290]

Pics pics pics pics pics pics pics. Take sopme for yourself as well you can never have too many.

Ditto!! :D

[Renee750il]

Same here! Pics! :D

[azcowgirl]

the pics are kinda dark... lol but ok hes 8 weeks old and hes a brindle pitbull
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/azcowgirl/layingthere.bmp
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/azcowgirl/pitbull1.bmp
um please ignore everything but the puppy lol

[blue]

He is going to grow up to be a beautifull boy.

[azcowgirl]

once he gets usto the house and usto rocky i will take WAY more pictures of him then also in better light so u can see that half his nose is pink and black lol

[Babyblue5290]

he's cute!
He looks sad :(, but I bet he'll cheer up once he gets to know you!! :)

[Love4Pits]

He's adorable! i have a soft spot for brindle pitbulls for one reason or anouther.

[blue]

u can see that half his nose is pink and black lol

We allready can, its part of what makes him a handsome lad.

[azcowgirl]

lol when i seen him i thought my mom would say no but shes all O MY GOSH! hes cute! and i just laughed at her cause she didnt really want a pitbull cause i have little nephews but she changed her mind lol and he just woke up in those pictures lol hes so funny he just sits there staring at me while i am on the computer then he lays down and goes to sleep lol ill post more pictures tomarrow

[Renee750il]

He's darling! He looks like a clever little pup too!

Glad you put Rocky's photo up too. He's a beautiful dog. How does Rocky like the pup?

[azcowgirl]

well he gets a little jelouse but hes doing better than what i thought im showing him that since we got another puppy that we will not ignore him but they only were together for 5-10 mins then we went inside cause it was to hot. tomarrow i will let them be together for whiles at a time and see how they react any tips?

[Renee750il]

Just keep an eye on them and see how they play together. Stay close and have some treats stuck in your pocket in case you need to distract them to calm them down, just be SURE you always give Rocky his treat first.

[Barb04]

Congrats on your new puppy; what a cutie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[azcowgirl]

thank you and yea thats how i am going to treat rocky and i will watch them very closely

[RD]

Sorry, but I can't help but wonder how much thought went into the decision to bring this puppy into your home.. You see a newspaper ad and then BAM you have a puppy? It just shoots out little red flags to me... Did you do anything to prepare yourself for owning a Pit Bull Terrier? I think they're awesome, but they're not dogs for everybody.
Annnnnyway... Your puppy is adorable.

[Rose's Gal]

Sorry, but I can't help but wonder how much thought went into the decision to bring this puppy into your home.. You see a newspaper ad and then BAM you have a puppy? It just shoots out little red flags to me... Did you do anything to prepare yourself for owning a Pit Bull Terrier? I think they're awesome, but they're not dogs for everybody.
Annnnnyway... Your puppy is adorable.
That's what I was thinking too, but I think she has been wanting a Pittie for a while, so I'm assuming she has researched the breed. The only problem I see is where she got the dog, but oh well.

CUTE pup BTW. :)

[sparks19]

Well if she didn't buy him he might have ended up at a shelter :(

[azcowgirl]

well if u were here a few months back u would of seen a pitbull thread that i made asking questions and everything. i done lots of research and i usto have a pitbull puppy when i was younger also. the woman told me if no one got him within a week she would take him to the pound and i didnt want that. and thank u everyone

[EliNHunter]

Congratulations on your new baby! I'm sure Rocky will be a good Daddy and mentor to the little one, too! What are you naming the baby??

[azcowgirl]

well i dont know the name just yet... its going to be a spanish name though um maybe pachuco ( sorry for my spelling lol not good spelling spanish but speaking it is a charm! ) or Tigre meaning tiger in spanish hm..

[Fran27]

That's great and all, but you still haven't answered our other question in the other post about how you sold 5 chis? Where did you get them, where are the parents?

[azcowgirl]

o i mustnt of read that well when i had my chihuahua ( before she went with my grandma ) we bred her and she had 5 babies and the mama is at my grandmas and the dad is one of my friends

[gapeach]

He's adorable!

[Ash47]

So did you breed her before you got rid of her to make a quick buck so you could get your, "purebred Pit?" If so, that really makes me sad.

[azcowgirl]

no no i didnt do that at all! i would never do that just to make money for another dog! she had her puppies a while back its been 3-4 months since they were born. i used that money to buy new crates and take rocky to a vet and im saving the rest of the money so i can go school shopping. not jsut to make a few bucks to get another dog

[Ash47]

Well, if it wasn't for money, and it was for all the right reasons, then hooray for you! :)

[azcowgirl]

thank you lol

[Blue_Dog]

AWW he is so beautiful.

[Richie12345]

Congrats on your pup... hes one good lookin pit

[Manchesters]

I don't see any mention of a vet visit or vaccinations. I am sure the puppy producer didn't give him any. And God alone knows if his mother ever had any shots, or when she had them.

Were the parents tested for hips and cardio? I have a suspicion NOT.

No reputable breeder will let a puppy go before it is at least 10 weeks of age. But then again, few reputable breeders will advertise in the newspaper-----although I must admit I did place an ad or two over the years. I used the opportunity to educate those who answered the ads, and since I had a rare breed, most who called had had a Manchester at one time in their lives. A couple of those folks had to wait a year or more for me to have a litter though.

I hope this puppy will be a happy experience. I note the mention of crates, which is good. A crate trained puppy tends to live a longer happier life than those which are not crated.

I wish you luck......you will most definitely need it! And at least you can get the help you need from these forums!

[stirder]

I think everything else in your post is right on the money manchesters, but many reputable breeders DO let puppies go to new homes before 10 weeks old. in fact the vast majority allow them to go home at 9 weeks old, and some still go home at 8 weeks old. personally I wouldnt use any breeder who allowed a puppy to go home before 9 weeks, among many many more criteria. I have heard of breeders who dont let pups go untill 12 and even 14 weeks old, but in america the vast majority of reputable breeders home their pups at 9 weeks old, not 10+.

[BigDog2191]

I don't see any mention of a vet visit or vaccinations. I am sure the puppy producer didn't give him any. And God alone knows if his mother ever had any shots, or when she had them.

Were the parents tested for hips and cardio? I have a suspicion NOT.

No reputable breeder will let a puppy go before it is at least 10 weeks of age. But then again, few reputable breeders will advertise in the newspaper-----although I must admit I did place an ad or two over the years. I used the opportunity to educate those who answered the ads, and since I had a rare breed, most who called had had a Manchester at one time in their lives. A couple of those folks had to wait a year or more for me to have a litter though.

I hope this puppy will be a happy experience. I note the mention of crates, which is good. A crate trained puppy tends to live a longer happier life than those which are not crated.

I wish you luck......you will most definitely need it! And at least you can get the help you need from these forums!

Are you kidding me? You're not a reputable breeder if you let your dog go before 10 weeks?

No, I think anywhere around 8 weeks if O.K.

That's when about 90% of the breeders I know let their dogs go... 10 weeks is a little late but still O.K. in my opinion.

But I thought it was wrong of you to say that because if you ask every breeder that question you're going to get a different answer. To say that one breeder is not reputable because they sold their puppy at 10 weeks of age is wrong.

[Manchesters]

As I have said elsewhere, there are only 2 legitimate reasons for breeding a litter of puppies---to improve upon the dogs the breeder has, or to replace dogs the breeder has. It is impossible to evaluate a puppy's conformation before at least 10 weeks of age. Reputable breeders do not have litters to sell puppies. They will have puppies that do not meet their criteria for showing or breeding purposes, and will sell these puppies to pet homes. Reputable breeders also will not sell pet puppies without a limited registration, and a spay neuter contract. I seriously doubt that most of the pet owners on these boards have even met a reputable breeder. They have most experience with BYBs and Puppy PRODUCERS---those who have puppies for the express purpose of selling them and making money.

How many here have gotten puppies that MUST be spayed and neutered or the papers will not be furnished? How many have bought puppies from people who have completely health tested the parent dogs? Not many, huh? Very sad.

And when I talk about reputable, educated breeders, I am referring to those who are dedicated to the breeds they are addicted to, and work only to improve and preserve that breed. Most of us are loathe to sell puppies to pet owners, but many simply cannot keep all the pups that they have. I was a lucky one. I was able to keep those pups that were not what I wanted to see in the ring. I have been blessed to have actually managed to improve upon the breed with the limited breeding I have done. Of course Manchesters are a rare breed....or at least were 12 years ago when I first became addicted to them.

Having people like Big Dog who do not have the faintest clue what they are talking about trying to tell me I don't know of what I speak is most comical. There is a giant rift between professional dog people and pet people. The goals are totally different. The pro works to preserve a breed. The pet owner could care less, in fact has no idea what the whole point is! But the pro and the pet people can pull together and work for the betterment of the various breeds.

Sadly the shelters are full of the produce of BYBs, and the casual pet owner who wants to pretend to be a breeder. There is much more to producing dogs than just putting two animals of opposite sex together. There is health testing required, bloodlines to consider, deciding whether to line breed, in breed or outcrossing, and then what to do next for the following 5 or 6 generations to be dealt with.

So no-----BREEDERS, in the absolute correct use of the word do not let puppies go prior to an age where they can be properly evaluated. And again-----do not confuse puppy producers with reputable breeders. It is easy to tell the difference. The BYB will sell pups before 10 weeks of age. The reputable breeder will not let a pup go before AT LEAST 10 weeks of age!!!!!!!!

Have any of you had your so called breeders explain why they were letting their pups go as pets? Incorrect layback of shoulder? Lack of rear angulation? Improper bite? Or just because they wanted the money they could make from it? Hhmmmmm?

[BigDog2191]

Like I said, no wonder people hate you. You're being a *****.

And I find it comical when an arrogant woman who thinks she owns the planet tries to talk me down. I'm an excellent debater I could do this all night.

I do have the faintest clue what I'm talking about. Are you telling me the Monks of New Skete are unreputable breeders? Read one of their books.

You get a different answer from every breeder. I believe anywhere from 8 weeks and up is sufficient. 10 weeks is fine for me.

But to say anyone who sells their puppies before 10 weeks is not reputable, this statement along with a lot of yours, ARE STUPID!

[EliNHunter]

Have any of you had your so called breeders explain why they were letting their pups go as pets? Incorrect layback of shoulder? Lack of rear angulation? Improper bite? Or just because they wanted the money they could make from it? Hhmmmmm?

Manchesters... while much of what you post does show "some" wisdom, this sentence is absolutely insane, ludicrous, and condescending. Breeders "letting their pups go as pets" because they're insufficient of the breed standard? You mean no one should be getting a dog unless they're going to show it, or what!? I don't get where you're coming from with that statement...

[mrose_s]

Oh, So Cute!!!

[Tobysmom]

So I guess the only purebred dogs we "pet" owners are supposed to have are dog show rejects that aren't quite up to par.

What a crock.

BTW-why do you want to take someone who is happy and excited about getting a new puppy and try to make them feel like crap?

[stirder]

manchesters, I dont like puppy mills, back yard breeders, or cash breeders of any type any more than you do, probably less because I (and many other members here) seem to have a better understanding of the topic than you do. the vast majority of extremely reputable breeders let their pups go to new homes at 8 or 9 weeks of age. anything under that is too young. very very few keep them untill 10 weeks or older. and most breeders who do keep them longer than 9 weeks are breeding something like the doberman, and they crop the ears BEFORE sending them to new homes to ensure that IF they are going to be cropped it is done correctly.

[gaddylovesdogs]

Manchester you are probably one of the rudest, most ignorant people I've met on this board. You act as if you know everything and everybody else knows nothing. You treat everybody but yourself like dirt.

Puppy mills and BYBs will sell their puppies before EIGHT weeks. EIGHT weeks is an appropriate time for many breeds to go to their new homes.

[Doberluv]

Anyone educated about dogs knows that 8 weeks is a very appropriate time to get the pups to their new homes. They are starting their first fear period and that's when the optimum bonding to their new owner takes place. Socialization too, is best started early, of course taking care about exposure to parvo and the like.

My Doberman breeder has had the #1 Doberman in the country a few times over, has recently been awarded breeder of the year award, not only for Dobermans, but for all breeds. She gives her pups up between 8-10 weeks, depending on the ear healing. Reputable breeders don't sell through the newspaper and do take care about genetic health testing, among other things.

Anyhow, congratulations on your new puppy. I can see you're thrilled. There are some things that are good to learn when getting a pup. Now it's up to you to socialize the dickens out of this puppy, get him a check up by the vet and start some basic obedience skills. Lots of love and patience and positive methods for training (not to be mistaken for permissiveness) and you'll have yourself a fine dog, I'm sure.

Don't listen to doomsdayers. If you want good, accurate, educated and friendly, upbeat information, go on the AKC and/or your parent breed club websites and there's all kinds of neat stuff. A crate is a great thing to assist with housebreaking and to use when you can't watch the pup. They are like little toddlers who get into everything. But, I've had dogs for over 40 years and we didn't use to use crates. I don't know how I did it, but did it. LOL.They are helpful, but shouldn't be used excessively. I don't like a dog being locked up all day long. Four hours in a day is quite enough. They need exercise and companionship.

Good luck. Actually, you won't need luck. You'll be a fine puppy owner.

[bubbatd]

I don't mess with Manchester anymore ......I placed my babies as close as I could the 8th week..it always had to be a Friday evening or Saturday morning to spend their 1st days with all members of the family. I would have loved to keep them longer...BUT this was the best for them , as Doberluv said .

[Doberluv]

Gaddy, Big Dog, ....example: when your dog does something you don't like, all you have to do is remove the payoff and not give any attention and eventually the behavior extinguishes itself. Attention perpetuates it, even negative attention. And when that behavior continues to simmer there, it tends to be a risk that the dog will forever exibit and feed off of or self reward from that behavior, which isn't healthy for the dog or for those who are around the dog.

[showpug]

Manchesters....I agree and see where you are coming from and although others may take it as "harsh" I can read between the lines and see the passion you have for your dogs and preserving the breed.

I would like to mention in manchester's defense that she breeds and shows fairly small dogs. Smaller breeds, along with toy breeds should be held on to longer because they mature slower than bigger dogs. I never take a pug home that is younger than 10-11 weeks, they adjust better and seem to settle in nicely at this age.

I don't think manchester's intent was to put down the pet owners. I think she is just protective over her dogs and sick of hearing of people who breed dogs for all the wrong reasons. If you read one of the posts on this thread from the original poster it stated that if the "breeder" did not sell the dog in a week it was going to the pound. When I read stuff like that it makes me livid too!!!!

[EliNHunter]

Manchesters....I agree and see where you are coming from and although others may take it as "harsh" I can read between the lines and see the passion you have for your dogs and preserving the breed.

I would like to mention in manchester's defense that she breeds and shows fairly small dogs. Smaller breeds, along with toy breeds should be held on to longer because they mature slower than bigger dogs. I never take a pug home that is younger than 10-11 weeks, they adjust better and seem to settle in nicely at this age.

I don't think manchester's intent was to put down the pet owners. I think she is just protective over her dogs and sick of hearing of people who breed dogs for all the wrong reasons. If you read one of the posts on this thread from the original poster it stated that if the "breeder" did not sell the dog in a week it was going to the pound. When I read stuff like that it makes me livid too!!!!

That could all be very true and accurate (hell, I don't know about the "little" breeds). But the comment about breeders foisting off their substandard puppies to us evil "pet owners" because the purebred isn't show or breeding material in their eyes and they just wanted to "make a buck" is totally insane. Guess all us horrid "pet owners" should only get a purebred from a "breeder" if we are going to breed or show. Guess we're supposed to go to a petstore in a mall and buy a cute little, sick puppy for $1500 and subsidize puppy mills :rolleyes: .

[showpug]

That could all be very true and accurate (hell, I don't know about the "little" breeds). But the comment about breeders foisting off their substandard puppies to us evil "pet owners" because the purebred isn't show or breeding material in their eyes and they just wanted to "make a buck" is totally insane. Guess all us horrid "pet owners" should only get a purebred from a "breeder" if we are going to breed or show. Guess we're supposed to go to a petstore in a mall and buy a cute little, sick puppy for $1500 and subsidize puppy mills :rolleyes: .

I am not trying to upset you by agreeing with manchesters, I am just saying that I see her point as well. I think that "show" breeders should sell to the responsible public and if more did, then we wouldn't have so many backyard breeders and puppy mills because good quality puppies would be more readily available to pet owners. You must understand that when someone shows dogs they are usually whole heartedly in it for the betterment of the breed and you do that by improving on each generation and showing your dogs. If a "show" breeder breeds a litter and the puppy has faults are disqualifications then they place them in a pet home. That isn't calling pet owners evil, it's just a fact and there is nothing wrong with that. Please understand that the majority of show people have their dogs as pets first and foremost. I guess I just read her post differently and didn't take offense.

[EliNHunter]

Ok, then how about taking the stance of rescues and have the breeders foisting off substandard puppies can only do it if they have been spayed/neutered? If it's such an epidemic, than I would say that would stop it pretty quick in its tracks...

[showpug]

Ok, then how about taking the stance of rescues and have the breeders foisting off substandard puppies can only do it if they have been spayed/neutered? If it's such an epidemic, than I would say that would stop it pretty quick in its tracks...

I don't know if I quite follow? Responsible reputable breeders DO require their pet puppies to go out on spay and neuter contracts. That is what manchesters said in her post...that was part of her point in the first or second paragraph, that no reputable breeder allows their pets to leave their homes without a spay/neuter contract AND any reputable breeder would have you sign a document stating that if you can't keep the pup it MUST be returned to them. If all breeders did this then there wouldn't be many dogs in rescues now would there? I guess if you want to argue the specifics of what manchesters had to say, you will have to speak with her about it. Oh, and when puppies were referred to as sub-standard, that isn't a derogatory remark, it just means that they didn't meet the standard needed to be shown or kept in a breeding program. No one said that they were any less lovable or worthy. My male pug in my siggy is far from a show dog and in fact, he is a rescue....I love him just the same as my show dogs. :)

[EliNHunter]

I don't know if I quite follow? Responsible reputable breeders DO require their pet puppies to go out on spay and neuter contracts. That is what manchesters said in her post...that was part of her point in the first or second paragraph, that no reputable breeder allows their pets to leave their homes without a spay/neuter contract AND any reputable breeder would have you sign a document stating that if you can't keep the pup it MUST be returned to them. If all breeders did this then there wouldn't be many dogs in rescues now would there? I guess if you want to argue the specifics of what manchesters had to say, you will have to speak with her about it. Oh, and when puppies were referred to as sub-standard, that isn't a derogatory remark, it just means that they didn't meet the standard needed to be shown or kept in a breeding program. No one said that they were any less lovable or worthy. My male pug in my siggy is far from a show dog and in fact, he is a rescue....I love him just the same as my show dogs. :)

My apologies if I didn't read Man's posts accordingly. And if what you post is true, than I did read it wrong. I am glad there are clauses (although in the honesty-pot-kind-of-way) that a dog not going to be bred to further the breed (by another KNOWLEDGEABLE owner) or showed (by a KNOWLEDGEABLE show-er), than there's no reason for this new owner not to spay/neuter. And the clause that they must come back to the breeder is a must. That's how Chip came back to bubbatd... he was her "offspring" and when she found out they couldn't handle having a dog, she got him back in a heartbeat. I understand, now...

[showpug]

My apologies if I didn't read Man's posts accordingly. And if what you post is true, than I did read it wrong. I am glad there are clauses (although in the honesty-pot-kind-of-way) that a dog not going to be bred to further the breed (by another KNOWLEDGEABLE owner) or showed (by a KNOWLEDGEABLE show-er), than there's no reason for this new owner not to spay/neuter. And the clause that they must come back to the breeder is a must. That's how Chip came back to bubbatd... he was her "offspring" and when she found out they couldn't handle having a dog, she got him back in a heartbeat. I understand, now...

Glad I finally managed to speak clearly...have trouble with that sometimes. I know how passionate you are about your dogs and I think that is awesome. I consider myself a "show" person, but my dogs will always be first and foremost my best friends and lap warmers of course!!!! :)

[EliNHunter]

Glad I finally managed to speak clearly...have trouble with that sometimes. I know how passionate you are about your dogs and I think that is awesome. I consider myself a "show" person, but my dogs will always be first and foremost my best friends and lap warmers of course!!!! :)

Showpug... just curious... did you find a plethora of people want pugs after the movie "As Good As It Gets"? Wasn't that a pug in that movie? Sooo cute. But having the "cute and sweet all breed dog" in movies usually ends up with so many in rescue a year later... just wondering...

[stirder]

the point is that no matter what manchesters was trying to say, he/she didnt say it correctly, generalized WAY too much, and every post Ive read of Manchesters is extremely rude, and the vast majority have been very innacurate. you say toy breeds mature slowly? are you aware that nearly all of the medium-large breeds of dogs arent physically mature untill 12-18 months old? and very few of them are mentally mature untill 2-4 years old??? okay, maybe they do...be specific next time manchesters, say that a responsible breeders of TOY breeds dont allow pups to go to new homes untill 10 weeks of age. just saying responsible breeders period dont let their pups go home before 10 weeks is completely wrong. and why dont you try being nice next time.

that was a brussels griffon in as good as it gets. pugs were in milo and otis though...did that influence people wanting pugs?

[showpug]

Showpug... just curious... did you find a plethora of people want pugs after the movie "As Good As It Gets"? Wasn't that a pug in that movie? Sooo cute. But having the "cute and sweet all breed dog" in movies usually ends up with so many in rescue a year later... just wondering...

Don't get me started!!!!!!! Okay, you started it! No, the dog in the movie "Men in Black" was a Brussles Griffon, but close to a pug. Doesn't matter though because "Men in Black" REALLY did our breed in! Years ago when I was hunting for my first pug, they were rare and seldom seen. Today, after the many movies they have been in they are climbing the AKC charts in popularity with a vengence! You can't go anywhere without seeing them and there are a ton in rescue groups. People are breeding them so incorrectly that it is sad and I am so sorry to see it. They have come up with the "rare brindle pug" which is not an acceptible color and a result of mixed breeding...now they sell it to make money. I guess my mission is to take time to talk with the public that approaches me at dog shows. I always try to set aside time to answer questions about the breed and give them the honest truth. Yes, I get angry when people ask me about brindle pugs, but I never get mad at the people. I just simply try to explain to them how that is not a true pug. I want people who are interested in the breed to hear the good and the bad and the truth and the lies. I feel like it is my job as an exhibitor to help educate people and stop them from purchasing pugs without thinking it through first. I can't stand the show people that are unwilling to speak with the public or give the cold shoulder. That is so rotten :mad:

[stirder]

nobody mentioned men in black...men in black WAS a pug, as good as it gets was a brussels griffon. not trying to step on any toes, but its true.

[BigDog2191]

nobody mentioned men in black...men in black WAS a pug, as good as it gets was a brussels griffon. not trying to step on any toes, but its true.

You beat me to it.

But speaking of movies that really killed certain breeds, take a look at 101 Dalmations... wow... Dalmations were in shelters like crazy.

[EliNHunter]

I know about a year or so after 101 Dalmations was out, the Dalmation Rescue Groups all over the nation had to be forced closed due to too many dogs :mad: :mad:

[becca_4321]

I'm sorry, I dont mean to change the subject or take over this, but I just have to say this, I feel so sorry for the pugs! I look at Kokomo, listen to him breath and wonder what the heck was they thinking! Dont get me wrong, I love that little guy, I just feel so bad for them.

[bubbatd]

You are all on the right track !!! Of the over 100 pups bred by me or chosen mates in 40 yrs. everyone was spayed or neutered. I only sold to responsible owners, and after they saw what I put into breeding , they rather come back to me than do it on their own. It's all in education and contracts .

[Adrienne]

Manchester said:
How many here have gotten puppies that MUST be spayed and neutered or the papers will not be furnished? How many have bought puppies from people who have completely health tested the parent dogs? Not many, huh? Very sad.

Just wanted to add that Katya came spayed to us from N.J. flew all the way to MN at 10 weeks, could have been a showdog but was the only pup from the litter with the right trigger response level so the breeder was willing to let her go due to a contract with us. She is one of the top breeders of CO's in the U.S. and would rather have a dog go to a good pet home than become yet another showdog which she had enough of already.

Now while it is nice to be able to get a dog with that kind of background it is just not very realistic. There are too many ignorant people out there that will continue to BYB, develop "new" breeds, sell to labratories, etc. and thank God for all the good people who give these dogs good loving homes regardless of their history.

[poeluvr]

im not trying to do a downer at all, but was there any pitbull pups at the shelter. i just have to ask bcuz at mine there is 3, and i just cant halp thinking if u checked out the shelter for pitties.
i kno it is too late now, i am just asking cuz i wannt to hear u say u did(cuz im sure u did?), so this wont be on my mind forever.
he is sooooo adorable..lucky to have ya

[poeluvr]

I don't see any mention of a vet visit or vaccinations. I am sure the puppy producer didn't give him any. And God alone knows if his mother ever had any shots, or when she had them.

Were the parents tested for hips and cardio? I have a suspicion NOT.

No reputable breeder will let a puppy go before it is at least 10 weeks of age. But then again, few reputable breeders will advertise in the newspaper-----although I must admit I did place an ad or two over the years. I used the opportunity to educate those who answered the ads, and since I had a rare breed, most who called had had a Manchester at one time in their lives. A couple of those folks had to wait a year or more for me to have a litter though.

I hope this puppy will be a happy experience. I note the mention of crates, which is good. A crate trained puppy tends to live a longer happier life than those which are not crated.

I wish you luck......you will most definitely need it! And at least you can get the help you need from these forums!
well manchester this is from a pet person, you tell azcowgirl, she didnt most likely get a good puppy if it was from an add, but you just said you had put dogs in adds before, but while you did, and sold the pups to them, these were the people who you told shouldn't answer adds. yeah right, u diddnt want to educate them u wanted to sell the dogs, and this like bigdog is coming from a pet owner...lol

[bubbatd]

Manchester, I never placed an ad in 40 yrs. I was over sold with most of my litters. The only one I wasn't was a litter of 12 pups, yet they were all gone by my recommended 8th week to good families.

[showpug]

nobody mentioned men in black...men in black WAS a pug, as good as it gets was a brussels griffon. not trying to step on any toes, but its true.

If you read my post you will see that I indeed did mention the movie "Men In Black" ooops, I meant to say that in the movie "As Good As it Gets was a brussles and "Men in Black was a pug"!!

As far as the people saying that they feel sorry for pugs. Yes, that is warranted for some pugs, but pugs that are bred correctly don't breathe that way. In fact, it's rare that I ever catch my female pug panting. The majority of the population keeps their pugs way too fat! That is the biggest problem with their breathing....oh, and being poorly bred by breeders that don't pay attention to their nostrils or palate (minor detail :mad: )

[Zoom]

azcowgirl: Congradulations on your new puppy! Keep it hale and whole and many happy years to you both. What are you doing to do with your dogs when you go to college, just out of spur-of-the-moment curiosity?

Showpug, I think I would like to see one of your pugs, because the breathing and bug-eyes (that probably comes from weight problems?) are the two mains reasons why I can't stand this breed in general. But I'm willing to be proven wrong!

[showpug]

azcowgirl: Congradulations on your new puppy! Keep it hale and whole and many happy years to you both. What are you doing to do with your dogs when you go to college, just out of spur-of-the-moment curiosity?

Showpug, I think I would like to see one of your pugs, because the breathing and bug-eyes (that probably comes from weight problems?) are the two mains reasons why I can't stand this breed in general. But I'm willing to be proven wrong!

Wow, low blow! I don't need to prove my breed to anyone and I am sure not going to post multiple pictures of my dogs so people can pick them apart...these are my babies and when you go there, it becomes way too personal. I find it quite cruel to tell someone who loves a certain breed that you can't stand that type of dog. I would never say that to anyone here...oh, maybe that is because I can find something to appreciate in ALL breeds even if I don't care to own one.

[Zoom]

No no no! I meant that in a nice way, I really did! I wasn't asking to pick apart your babies from pictures, what I meant was I'd like to meet your pugs in person so I can see what a 'real' pug is supposed to look and act like. Most-to-all the pugs that I come in contact with are over-fed, under-bred and under-trained. It sounds like you take great care in both breeding and training.

I try to like all dogs/breeds, but when a good specimen of the breed is a rare occurance, it's a little hard. I never thought I would like to own a Basset, because I had never run across an accurate representation of the breed. Now I work with a couple that has a wonderful Basset and Xander has started to quickly change my mind.

[MyDogsLoveMe]

Wow he is georgous congrats

[poeluvr]

well zoom, all pugs are pretty bug eyed thats what makes them cute, so seeing showpugs pugs , wont help u like them in that area i guess(but i love them for their eyes..aawww.so cute!)
besides zoom cant you see showpugs dogs enough in his sig?

[showpug]

No no no! I meant that in a nice way, I really did! I wasn't asking to pick apart your babies from pictures, what I meant was I'd like to meet your pugs in person so I can see what a 'real' pug is supposed to look and act like. Most-to-all the pugs that I come in contact with are over-fed, under-bred and under-trained. It sounds like you take great care in both breeding and training.

I try to like all dogs/breeds, but when a good specimen of the breed is a rare occurance, it's a little hard.

Okay, sorry...sometimes I get a little too eager to defend my babies. I will post more pictures of them. You are 100% correct about the majority of pugs being over-fe, under-bred and under-trained!!! And no, bug eyes don't come from weight problems, they come from poor breeding and they are actually called "wall eyes" not bug eyes LOL!! The breathing can be a sign of an overweight pug and usually is....how many really overweight people do you see that don't breathe heavily when trying to do everyday activities? I don't mean that as a put down, just a comparison. When things are too fat, it's hard to breathe. Anyway, I will try to post some pics later. :)

[showpug]

well zoom, all pugs are pretty bug eyed thats what makes them cute, so seeing showpugs pugs , wont help u like them in that area i guess(but i love them for their eyes..aawww.so cute!)
besides zoom cant you see showpugs dogs enough in his sig?

Lea...you are sweet, thank you. By the way...I am a she, not a he!!! LOL!! :D

[poeluvr]

rrrr...i also called love4pits a he today...i had to guess i forgot..now it is in my memory though!

[poeluvr]

showpug come chat me dakota and saje are, i wanna talk to u!

[Zoom]

well zoom, all pugs are pretty bug eyed thats what makes them cute, so seeing showpugs pugs , wont help u like them in that area i guess(but i love them for their eyes..aawww.so cute!)
besides zoom cant you see showpugs dogs enough in his sig?

I can see them fine, but seeing is not the same as meeting. I can look at a million pictures of a breed and still not know that much about it. And Showpug's pugs are less wall-eyed than most I've met. Again, I'm basing my opinion on the dogs that I've actually physically interacted with. A friend of mine has a pug, and it would probably make Showpug have a coronary. It's fat, spoiled, wheezes non-stop and really only has enough training so that it doesn't pull on the leash.

[poeluvr]

hmmm...well dont u think u guys live far away from eachother. to meet them personally..betcha do?

[Zoom]

I know she lives too far away from me to just hop on over and meet her litters. And also, neither of us know each other AT ALL, which would make it really odd if I just showed up.

[showpug]

I can see them fine, but seeing is not the same as meeting. I can look at a million pictures of a breed and still not know that much about it. And Showpug's pugs are less wall-eyed than most I've met. Again, I'm basing my opinion on the dogs that I've actually physically interacted with. A friend of mine has a pug, and it would probably make Showpug have a coronary. It's fat, spoiled, wheezes non-stop and really only has enough training so that it doesn't pull on the leash.

LOL!! about your friends pug and yes, we do live too far apart. I am in Oregon and I see that you reside in Kansas. I must clarify that I do not breed pugs at this point, I just show them with the intention to some day know enough to breed a good quality litter...that is, if I get up enough guts to go through with it!!! I do however spend a lot of time with my close friend and mentor who is a breeder so I have learned a lot and met a lot of pug litters and see the results of some good and bad breedings. Someday when I have more than proven myself in the ring and my dogs pass endless health screens, then I will breed my first litter :)

[poeluvr]

well i think showpug, you would be doing the breed harm if you didnt breed some yourself, you seem very qualified.
me and my mom have talked about getting a pug, in about 2 years. if you dont mind me asking, how much was ur baby around, or how much do you think i can get a very good one for?

[showpug]

well i think showpug, you would be doing the breed harm if you didnt breed some yourself, you seem very qualified.
me and my mom have talked about getting a pug, in about 2 years. if you dont mind me asking, how much was ur baby around, or how much do you think i can get a very good one for?

Show pugs range anywhere from $1500 to $3000 and pets are usually around $800 to $1200. You can find pugs for much cheaper, but you usually get what you pay for. Please do remember that price is not the main indicator of quality though.

[poeluvr]

yes i know, but it helps, beleive me if im paying 1200 for my next dog, the breeder will be checked out thorougly, and they will have to do some convincing....lol

[showpug]

yes i know, but it helps, beleive me if im paying 1200 for my next dog, the breeder will be checked out thorougly, and they will have to do some convincing....lol

Actually, if it's a good breeder you will be the one doing the convincing LOL!! Prepare yourself for an application process and interview or meeting before even being put on a list...if you don't go through this, then they aren't a reputable breeder.

[poeluvr]

Actually, if it's a good breeder you will be the one doing the convincing LOL!! Prepare yourself for an application process and interview or meeting before even being put on a list...if you don't go through this, then they aren't a reputable breeder.
o really.good to know. Your little girl was meant for showing right? she had to go through an application right...oh yea is she home yet.. back from a competition i gather?

[stirder]

I agree with showpug...when Im looking for a puppy or young dog from a breeder I expect to have to go through a intense? (dont know if thats the word I want or not) interview. if a breeder does not want to sit down with me in person and ask me a lot of questions, and possibly even do a home check (unless the breeder lives far away, they dont have the time or money to check the home of every person who wants a puppy) then I dont get a puppy from that breeder. theres always the small chance that a excellent breeder wont do interviews, but if they dont grill me to make sure I am worthy of one of their babies...my opinion is that they dont care about their babies and therefore probably didnt do the necassary planning and just thought "my dog is perfect, I want to breed her so others can have one just like mine".
on a side note...showpugs, I talked to 2 breeders at an akc dog show last year. both of their dogs were at what I assume was optimum weight, they were not walleyed, and didnt wheeze or pant (except after they ran around playing outside) and didnt snore when asleep (atleast anymore than my german shepherd and 12 week old blue heeler snore). you were talking about those problems coming from being over fed and under bred...they both used the phrase "over-bred". they said it is from people breeding FOR the wall eyes and more compact face? they also said brindle was introduced when a few money breeders bred in some boston terrier (I think?) to make their bloodlines look more appealing to the people with warped views of what a pug should be? arent the only 2 pug colors that are accepted the black/blue pug and the fawn/tan/gold pug? they also said that even the best example of a pug is more prone to certain health problems than say a golden retriever or doberman because of the compact face? the same as the english bulldog, french bulldog, etc?
dont take this the wrong way. my sister in law thinks the pug is the best dog in the world and thinks its the perfect breed for their family (my brother, my sister in law, a 5 year old girl and a 3 year old girl) so Im just trying to help her learn more about them.

[showpug]

I agree with showpug...when Im looking for a puppy or young dog from a breeder I expect to have to go through a intense? (dont know if thats the word I want or not) interview. if a breeder does not want to sit down with me in person and ask me a lot of questions, and possibly even do a home check (unless the breeder lives far away, they dont have the time or money to check the home of every person who wants a puppy) then I dont get a puppy from that breeder. theres always the small chance that a excellent breeder wont do interviews, but if they dont grill me to make sure I am worthy of one of their babies...my opinion is that they dont care about their babies and therefore probably didnt do the necassary planning and just thought "my dog is perfect, I want to breed her so others can have one just like mine".
on a side note...showpugs, I talked to 2 breeders at an akc dog show last year. both of their dogs were at what I assume was optimum weight, they were not walleyed, and didnt wheeze or pant (except after they ran around playing outside) and didnt snore when asleep (atleast anymore than my german shepherd and 12 week old blue heeler snore). you were talking about those problems coming from being over fed and under bred...they both used the phrase "over-bred". they said it is from people breeding FOR the wall eyes and more compact face? they also said brindle was introduced when a few money breeders bred in some boston terrier (I think?) to make their bloodlines look more appealing to the people with warped views of what a pug should be? arent the only 2 pug colors that are accepted the black/blue pug and the fawn/tan/gold pug? they also said that even the best example of a pug is more prone to certain health problems than say a golden retriever or doberman because of the compact face? the same as the english bulldog, french bulldog, etc?
dont take this the wrong way. my sister in law thinks the pug is the best dog in the world and thinks its the perfect breed for their family (my brother, my sister in law, a 5 year old girl and a 3 year old girl) so Im just trying to help her learn more about them.

You make some very good points, and yes when pugs are as we like to call it "over-done" they do have a lot of breathing problems because people breed in massive heads and heavy body mass etc. This puts extra strain on them and as those breeders said, a pug, even a well bred pug is not going to be able to run along side a bike or tolerate heat very well compared to a dobie or golden. They are companion dogs, not working or sporting dogs. You are correct about brindle pugs. We consider it a great tradgedy that people are breeding and selling brindle pugs which are a direct result of mixed breeding with bostons and frenchies. The only two acceptable colors for the pug are black and fawn...no exceptions. People will and do register their brindle pugs with AKC, but if you look at the papers they will be registered as fawn or black, not brindle!!!! There are only two color options on the papers to register a litter under and that is fawn or black!! I love how people just lie about things so they can make a buck :mad:

As far as your sister-in-law goes, pugs are generally a very good choice for children and family. They always want to be with their people and a true pug that is treated well and respected by children will never bite. Pugs really never resort to biting even if their limits are pushed...they are naturally tolerant and loving. They are also sturdy and larger boned than all other toy breeds, so in other words, they are not fragile. Tell your sister-in-law that they shed a ton! Can't tolerate heat or vigorous activity very well, so hot day at the beach and most family hikes are out of the question...oh, and the kids can't run them to death on a leash either LOL! They love eating more than anything else in life, so one must watch their portions and weight very closley. They can snore and they are very lazy...pugs that are over 3 years generally like to sleep about 10 hours a day :)

[showpug]

o really.good to know. Your little girl was meant for showing right? she had to go through an application right...oh yea is she home yet.. back from a competition i gather?

Yes Lea, my little girl was meant for showing. I am in transition and getting a new show puppy who is coming home in a week and a half. She will be a show dog. Her sire is in the top ten male pugs in the USA!! I believe he is #3 now, but have not checked latley. None of my pugs go off to shows without me. I handle them in the ring and always will. They are my pets first and foremost and I would never send them off with a stranger. :)

[stirder]

whats the average life span of a good pug?

[showpug]

whats the average life span of a good pug?

A healthy pug lives 10-13 years :)

[stirder]

cool, thanks for the info

[showpug]

cool, thanks for the info

No problem. I can talk pugs 24/7 :p

[Dakotah_2009]

What an adorable looking puppy! Hope you, Rocky, and your new puppy get along together and have loads of fun!!! He sure is adorable!

[Dakotah_2009]

I agree with showpug...when Im looking for a puppy or young dog from a breeder I expect to have to go through a intense? (dont know if thats the word I want or not) interview. if a breeder does not want to sit down with me in person and ask me a lot of questions, and possibly even do a home check (unless the breeder lives far away, they dont have the time or money to check the home of every person who wants a puppy) then I dont get a puppy from that breeder. theres always the small chance that a excellent breeder wont do interviews, but if they dont grill me to make sure I am worthy of one of their babies...my opinion is that they dont care about their babies and therefore probably didnt do the necassary planning and just thought "my dog is perfect, I want to breed her so others can have one just like mine".
on a side note...showpugs, I talked to 2 breeders at an akc dog show last year. both of their dogs were at what I assume was optimum weight, they were not walleyed, and didnt wheeze or pant (except after they ran around playing outside) and didnt snore when asleep (atleast anymore than my german shepherd and 12 week old blue heeler snore). you were talking about those problems coming from being over fed and under bred...they both used the phrase "over-bred". they said it is from people breeding FOR the wall eyes and more compact face? they also said brindle was introduced when a few money breeders bred in some boston terrier (I think?) to make their bloodlines look more appealing to the people with warped views of what a pug should be? arent the only 2 pug colors that are accepted the black/blue pug and the fawn/tan/gold pug? they also said that even the best example of a pug is more prone to certain health problems than say a golden retriever or doberman because of the compact face? the same as the english bulldog, french bulldog, etc?
dont take this the wrong way. my sister in law thinks the pug is the best dog in the world and thinks its the perfect breed for their family (my brother, my sister in law, a 5 year old girl and a 3 year old girl) so Im just trying to help her learn more about them.

I agree w/ you there buddy.