What breeds fit this criteria?

[Jason]

What we're looking for in a dog:

1. Sweet dog
2. Loyal
3. Obedient
4. Intelligent
5. Good with kids
6. Preferably not a heavy shedder
7. Wants to be loved
8. Friendly to others

As many of you know, we're thinking of a Golden. That's the easy choice. But maybe somebody could offer an alternate suggestion, there's got to be some. I appreciate your responses but I'd ask that we limit this discussion to possible breeds and not where to buy a dog or who from. Thank you for any advice.

[moe]

Have you tried the KC they have a questionair on line if I remember correctly you tick all the things you want in a dog and they give you a list of the ones that fit that discription.

Mo

[Fran27]

Yes there is a site somewhere that gives you your best breed according to your criteria. Going to try to find the link.

[wolfdoggy]

Well, I think German Shepherd, Golden Retrieve (Golden is best I think). Labrador Retriever, Rottweiler, Collie, Berner Sennen, Newfoundland. Thats the ones I can think of.

[caseyolee]

American Pit Bull terrier sounds like it fits that description VERY well.

[Fran27]

Ok I found a few... None considers shedding though, which is annoying, but you might want to just relate it to allergies.

http://home.ivillage.com/homekeeping/pets/breedselector/0,,,00.html

http://www.k9country.com/perl/dogBreed.pl

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/search.htm

http://www.iams.com/en_US/jhtmls/breed_selector/sw_BreedSelector_page.jhtml?li=en_US&bc=I&pti=BS


Might be interesting to do them all and see if they say the same thing though... The second one seems to be the best.

[stirder]

I agree, take the tests. since none consider shedding I would take all 4 tests. lets assume each one says a different breed...research those breeds more thoroughly to see which ones you think match your criteria the best. golden, newfoundland, german shepherd, lab, and collie shed quite a bit. I have a gsd and in my opinion they dont shed a lot, but that is because I grew up with gsd's, a golden, jack russel terriers. I think the jack russels rivaled the golden and gsd's as far as shedding.
Id suggest golden (even though they shed, because they fit the rest of your criteria the best), viszla, weimeraner, portugese water dog, standard poodle, maybe a pointer? one thing thats not on your list of criteria is how energetic do you want it? does your family want to go to the park and take a lot of walks, or take it jogging with you, do you want to take it hiking/camping? or would you prefer a low energy dog that will play when you want to, but be content to just lay around most of the time?

[stirder]

just thought of another breed you may not have considered, that does fit you 8 criteria. have you thought about a greyhound? a lot of people dont consider them because they think the breed requires a ton of excercise and a huge yard to run. they are actually pretty lazy couch potatoes and make great dogs for almost any home. I know 3 elderly couples who have adopted them and live in small apartments. a daily walk is enough, maybe an occasional run in a dog park.

[Jason]

one thing thats not on your list of criteria is how energetic do you want it? does your family want to go to the park and take a lot of walks, or take it jogging with you, do you want to take it hiking/camping? or would you prefer a low energy dog that will play when you want to, but be content to just lay around most of the time?Yes, good point. I think we want a medium to high energy dog. We're able to get it at least an hour of exercise every day, excluding time playing around the house. No camping or hiking for us though.

I went to a lot of those selection sites before finding chazhound and I think they are average at best. Your personal knowledge and suggestions are better. Thanks so far, keep em coming!

[stirder]

have you considered the brittany spaniel? not sure how much they shed but personality is pretty similar to golden retriever.

[bubbatd]

That discribes a Golden , but I'm sure there are others.

[stirder]

I guess a good question would be how much shedding is too much? are you willing to brush the dog for a few minutes every day, and vacuum the house 2-3 times a week? or do you want a dog that only need a few minutes of brushing once a week, and vacuum once a week?

[Jason]

I guess a good question would be how much shedding is too much? are you willing to brush the dog for a few minutes every day, and vacuum the house 2-3 times a week? or do you want a dog that only need a few minutes of brushing once a week, and vacuum once a week?
Wow, another good post. You must have had your Wheaties or something this morning. :D

I know we'd be willing to brush the dog daily and vacuum 2-3 times a week, that's not asking for too much. But I'd prefer not to.

I consider a Golden to be as heavy shedding a dog as any, and I'd still be willing to have one since it fits all our criteria. I just love options.

[poeluvr]

newfoundlands? malamutes?
malamutes shed though

[stirder]

lol, actually I have been feeling a little ill today and yesterday.
I think the golden, and flat coated retrievers are the best match for your criteria, except for the shedding. you would have to brush them several times a week, and probably vacuum more often than you do now unless you already vacuum a lot :) I dont know how much the brittany spaniel sheds but I THINK they shed less than the golden, maybe someone on here has one, or has had one before and knows for certain how much they shed? my highschool girlfriend had one and personality and ecercise levels of that dog were comparable to goldens, but they may usually be more energetic than that dog was. labs shed about the same as goldens, some actually shed more, and they usually have higher energy levels. a standard poodle has a similar temperment to the golden, sheds a lot less, but again I am not sure of their energy levels. greyhounds are really good dogs, could get one through a breeder or a young retired racer. I think they shed a lot but from what I have heard you just have to rub them down maybe once a day with a hound glove. and they dont require a lot of excercise, daily walks or jogs are enough and playing in house and yard.
newfoundlands shed like the dickens, so do malamutes. newfies also drool. they are great family dogs though. maybe somebody on here knows newfies and can tell you more about them, they actually may not shed more than goldens. I think they do but dont know for sure.

[aurorab]

Have you thought about a havaneese, they are a small dog but they shed less. I've only known 1 or 2 but they seemed cute and sweet but I would work w/ then (obedience) right away. Not that they are bad or anything but 1 that I knew the woman would baby him and she wait until her was about 6 months or more b4 training him. She also was home all the time a t 1st and when she started leaving him in the kennel or in the house he would cry and be distructive. I know this can happen w/ any dog but he was so cute and so little. I just did want anyone else to do the same.

[aurorab]

Oh and grey hounds do shed a bit but it is shorter. I have 2 chis and the short haired one actually sheds worse than the long hair. Plus the long hairs are a bit easier to clean up, I seem to miss the short ones no matter how hard I try. I give mine baths and brush them and give them stuff to make their coats healthy (it really help w/ the sheading).

[beagle_lovergirl]

A beagle would be nice. Despite what other people say, if you can get their attention or get rid of distractions theyare VERY obedient.

[poeluvr]

i think he wants something bigger then a beagel?

[Jason]

Thanks for the links Fran. I can't go through all of them right away but I did do the 2nd one like you suggested. I had two 100% matches: Flat-Coated Retriever and Bernese Mountain Dog. I'm already considering the former but know nothing about the latter. When I have more time I'll look into it more.

[aurorab]

The mountain dog is great, we have a B&B around here named after their dog and he comes up and greet each guest. They seem to be a bit calmer than I thought they would. Very affectionate and listens well.
Pesonally I think that they are just so cute!

[Jason]

Is it a giant dog?

[beagle_lovergirl]

i think he wants something bigger then a beagel?

Well, he didn't mention anything about size. A beagle is just my opinion. They're not too small though, 13-15 inches.

[poeluvr]

HE DID ON ANOTHER THREAD I THINK WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IT. BECAUSE ITS A gsd HE WANTED A DOG AS BIG AS IT, SO THEY CAN ROUGH PLAY, AND NOONE WILL GET HURT...EXCETRA...SRY FOR CAPLOCKS
ur beagle is cute though

[aurorab]

It's pretty big. Bigger than a golden, but usually smaller than a newfi or dane. I don't know the exact size but I think this is right. Most of the ones I've know have been laying down, they seem to like that, but don't think that they can't be active, they like to play, but when they aren't playing resting is just so nice.

[poeluvr]

awwww

[beagle_lovergirl]

HE DID ON ANOTHER THREAD I THINK WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IT. BECAUSE ITS A gsd HE WANTED A DOG AS BIG AS IT, SO THEY CAN ROUGH PLAY, AND NOONE WILL GET HURT...EXCETRA...SRY FOR CAPLOCKS
ur beagle is cute though

Sorry, I didn't read that thread. No need to scream.

[poeluvr]

no i put cap locks by accident ..that is why i said sry for caplocks didnt want to type it again

[Jason]

I just read something about it and a Bernese is too big. Short lifespan too, so sad. Great dog tho. I read about a FCRetriever again and it looks really good. What I read implies a FCR sheds less than a Golden. I wonder if it's true.

[stirder]

lol, thats also two different people. I am looking for a dog for my wife, that can keep up with and play with my gsd. Jason, I dont think he has mentioned size on either thread, but I assume he wants a medium sized dog since one of his top picks is a golden?
bernese isnt much different from the golden as far as energy, trainability, personality etc. they look different, may shed more?, and get a bit bigger than a golden. here is a link to some info about the bernese. http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/bernesemountain.htm up to 28 inches tall and up to 110 pounds in the male. where the golden is up to 24 inches and 80ish pounds for a male. not a huge difference and not a huge dog, but it is bigger. and from what I have heard they are a bit calmer. but for all I know they could shed 10 times as much.

[poeluvr]

whoops got u guys mixed up it was u stirder

[moe]

non shedding or minimul shedding dogs are Beddlington Terriers, Bishon freis(sp)Poodles or what about this:-

Coton de Tulear
Tulear, southern Madagascar
Royal Dog of Madagascar
10"-12", 12-15 lbs
fluffy, cottony coat with no undercoat, hair is long, dry to the feel, very soft, oil free, no doggy-odor, minimal shedding, needs daily grooming
happy, lively, very affectionate, playful, intelligent, easily trained, bonds strongly with owners, loyal, devoted, gets along well with children and animals, full of tricks, determined, untiring, calm, slow to anger, cautious with strangers
needs early socialization, can suffer from separation anxiety, difficult to housebreak, may bark, can be stubborn
good with considerate children

or

Schnauzers
Miniature: 12"-14", Terrier group
Standard: 17.5"-19.5", Working group
Giant: 23.5"-27.5", Working group
Germany
double coat, hard and wiry outer coat, soft undercoat, non shedding, odorless, requires frequent grooming
most pet Minis are washed and clipped frequently and this will help keep the dander down
if clipped, the hard outer coat will eventually disappear and only the softer undercoat will remain
Mini: alert, spirited, feisty, yet obedient to command, friendly, intelligent, willing to please, robust, active, good with family pets, watchdog
Mini: stubborn, likes to chase, may bark, needs socialization, may be aggressive toward other dogs
good with children if raised with children

Mo

[poeluvr]

i love the Coton de Tulear

[stirder]

bubbatd used to breed goldens, she may be the golden retriever authority on this board. Id suggest private messaging her and asking her a lot of questions, assuming she wouldnt mind. I know there is a forum specifically about goldens http://www.topgoldenretrieversites.net/forums/index.php? you might want to see if there is also a forum about flat coated retrievers? there might not be one, I think they are a lot less common of a breed. but if there is you could learn a lot more about the breed by talking to people who know it the best. seems like those 2 breeds fit you the best.

[beagle_lovergirl]

no i put cap locks by accident ..that is why i said sry for caplocks didnt want to type it again

Oh ok, sorry

[EliNHunter]

Here's the site for the FCR Society of America. I'm not endorsing it, just providing it :D

[Rose's Gal]

Hmm...I still say the Portuguese Water Dog. lol
Here is some info on them:
ow let's look at some common characteristics for this breed...


If you want a dog who...



Is medium-sized, strong and durable, athletic and agile
Has a curly or wavy coat
Sheds less than many other breeds, because shed hairs are trapped in the tousled coat
Thrives on vigorous exercise and athletic activities.
Makes a fine watchdog, but is too polite to be a guardian
Is usually fine with other pets
A Portuguese Water Dog may be right for you.



If you don't want to deal with...



Vigorous exercise requirements
Rowdiness and exuberant jumping, especially when young
Destructiveness when bored or not exercised enough
Strong-willed mind of his own, requiring a confident owner who can take charge
Regular brushing and clipping
Mouthiness -- carrying and chewing objects, mouthing your hands
A high price tag
Serious health problems
A Portuguese Water Dog may not be right for you.



If I were considering a Portuguese Water Dog...


My major concerns would be:


Providing enough exercise and mental stimulation. Portuguese Water Dogs MUST have regular opportunities to vent their energy and do interesting things. Otherwise they will become rambunctious and bored -- which they usually express by barking and destructive chewing. Bored Portuguese Water Dogs can make a shambles of your house and yard.

If you simply want a pet for your family, and don't have the time or inclination to take your dog running or hiking or biking or swimming, or to get involved in agility (obstacle course), or advanced obedience, or tracking, or a similar canine activity, I do not recommend this breed.


Bounciness. Young Portuguese Water Dogs (up to about two years old) romp and jump with great vigor, and things can go flying, including people.

If you have small children, or if you or anyone who lives with you is elderly or infirm, I do not recommend PWD puppies. The temptation to play roughly and nip at moving people is too strong in many young Portuguese Water Dogs.


Mind of their own. Portuguese Water Dogs are not Golden Retrievers. The best PWDs are very smart and capable of learning a great deal, but they have an independent mind of their own. They can be manipulative and willful. You must show them, through absolute consistency, that you mean what you say.



[B]Grooming. Portuguese Water Dogs have a tousled coat that requires regular brushing, and also clipping and trimming. But don't expect your pet PWD to look like the show dogs you've seen in books or on TV. That particular look takes hours of work by experienced show groomers.

Shedding. Contrary to what some breeders claim, the Portuguese Water Dog is NOT a good choice for people with allergies. They definitely shed, though some of the shed hair gets caught in the long coat rather than ending up on your floor. Thus, frequent brushing is essential not only for keeping the coat mat-free, but for removing shed hair.

Paying the price. Though this breed is not rare, many breeders are charging $1000 and up.

[B]Health problems. Hip dysplasia, eye diseases, heart disease, skin conditions, immune system disorders -- Portuguese Water Dogs can be risky in the health department. [But then, so do Labs, Goldens, basically any purebred dog.]

And then here is some general info on them:

My book, Your Purebred Puppy: A Buyer's Guide, includes a full-page profile of the Portuguese Water Dog, including these excerpts:
"The AKC Standard calls him "an animal of spirited disposition, self-willed, brave, and very resistant to fatigue."

Emotionally the Portuguese Water Dog is stable and sensible. But physically he's lively and athletic, poised for any activity. He loves to play and needs vigorous exercise: long walks, occasional runs, and swimming whenever possible, for he is a master swimmer and diver.

Mental stimulation (agility, fetching, advanced obedience) is just as important to this clever, thinking breed.

When well socialized, his reaction to strangers varies from friendly to polite, but he should always remain steadfast and hold his ground. This observant breed makes a fine watchdog, but not a guardian.

Most Portuguese Water Dogs are accepting of other pets when raised with them.

PWDs are strong-minded, with an independent streak and a wicked sense of humor. Consistent leadership is a must.

A natural retriever, the Portuguese Water Dog is a very mouthy dog who will pick up everything in his path, chew up both edible and inedible objects, and try to gnaw on your hands. Provide a box filled with toys so he can satisfy his oral fixation by carrying something around in his mouth.

Youngsters are especially rambunctious, bore easily, and without enough attention and structured activity can excavate vast chasms in your yard."





For more information on the Portuguese Water Dog and 199 other breeds, click here.

History
Called Cao de Agua (dog of the water) in his native Portugal, the Portuguese Water Dog herded fish into the fishermen's nets, retrieved equipment that fell overboard, carried messages from ship to ship, and rode fishing boats out to sea.


Size
17-23 inches and 35-60 lbs

[Jason]

A PWD exhibits many of the traits we're looking for but I don't think it's a good fit. Thanks for the idea tho.

[stirder]

I dont really know anything about them but you might want to learn more about the nova scotia duck tolling retriever

[BigDog2191]

Jason, I was thinking about it.

How about a German Shorthaired Pointer? They sound like they may fit your criteria. I don't think they shed TOO much either. At least the short-haired kind don't.

[Jason]

Looks intriguing BigDog. On first glance it looks good so I'll look into it a little more. Right away I have a concern over the size of my yard, which is tiny. There is a park across the street although there is no dog run.

[stirder]

my wifes brother has a german shorthaired pointer, 2 years old I think? he is living in florida right now in an apartment. the dog is doing fine with 2-3 walks a day, think he once a day takes him to the beach for about an hour. the other 1-2 walks a day he said are about 30 minutes just around the big apartment complex. I dont know how much it sheds compared to a golden (I had a golden for 13 years, but have never brushed or watched him brush his pointer) but he watched me brush Strider, my german shepherd and said he sheds a LOT more than the pointer. he was very easy to train and is very responsive.

[ZeroNAndresDad]

Italian Greyhounds are a breed you might want to look into I have a male named Andre and he is amazing and fits your list above.

[stirder]

that brings up another question. what size dog are you looking for? I assume a midsize dog around 50-80 pounds? since golden and flat coated retrievers are your top picks right now? this way we (myself included) will have an even better idea of what you dont want, such as toys, giants, etc. for instance, a chihuahua meets the criteria pretty well, so does the english mastiff.

[aurorab]

Ah but chis shed, the short hair especially. And get them, scared, excited, anything and they can shed so much they look like they should be bald but they have more much more. But I love them!
I thought Greyhound also shed like chis?

[BigDog2191]

Yeah but neither of those would shed like a German shepherd. And I'm sure if he's will to tolerate a Golden Retreiver, he's willing to tolerate a grey hound--pretty short haired breed.

[Zoom]

Another breed finder is the Purina one and I believe it asks about either shedding or grooming. http://sy.adiho.com/ASA/Controller?adi_hasScript=1&_AD_195R22=100&adi_scriptSID=D0E0CB95D0DB28AF1C5BE8CF96C1C622&sysid=4&appid=9901&que-FF5=abg

Aussies, both the Shepherds and Cattle Dogs fit a good portion of your list. AS's are usually a bit reserved with strangers but warm up pretty quick. At least Sawyer has. ACD's....I'm not too sure how good with children they are, but they love to play. AS's shed like crazy though. I brush mine every day and I still have to vaccum 2-3 times a week to keep the hair under control. But Golden's are the same way, so if you think you're able to handle Golden hair, then an Aussie shouldn't be a problem.

[Jason]

We're looking for a med to lg med size dog.

[stirder]

australian shepherds, australian cattle dogs and border collies can be seriously intense herders though, and can become quite nippy. trying to herd their people.
I think golden or flat coated retrievers are the best match, same as for my wife, possibly german shorthaired pointer, english pointer, or wire haired pointing griffon (wifes uncle has one and hardly sheds at all, meets your criteria very well but dont know if youd like the looks), or portugese water dog.
heres the wirehaired pointing griffon
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/wirehairedpointinggriffon.htm

[Renee750il]

A critical piece of information, Jason, would be what type of climate are you in. That's going to have a great deal to do with the amount of shedding you have to deal with and also with what type of dog is going to be a good match.

Just to throw something out there, for something a bit different, have you thought about an Otterhound? From what you've said, you're an experienced enough dog owner to be able to own one. http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/otterhound.htm

They're neat dogs, alternating between ponderous dignity and being complete goofballs.

[Fran27]

Just one comment, might sound silly but it's probably good to keep it in mind - the rarer the breed, the harder it will be to find a (good) breeder. In any case, hopefully you will find a breed you really like.

[BigDog2191]

Just one comment, might sound silly but it's probably good to keep it in mind - the rarer the breed, the harder it will be to find a (good) breeder. In any case, hopefully you will find a breed you really like.

It could be imported.

[Fran27]

Yes, I meant overall though. If it's a common breed overseas, it would be no problem, but what is rare here might be rare there as well. I've never even considered getting a dog from another country so I really don't know how easy it is.

[Jason]

After seeing the price of importing a Labradoodle, I can assure you this will be a US purchase. That's a good point tho. Some of these suggestions are for rare dogs and it would be hard to find a good breeder. One thing I found out is that the 2003 sporting group breeder of the year is in MI.and they do FCR.

[BigDog2191]

Hm... that's pretty cool. Considering getting one?

[Rose's Gal]

Well actually, the rarer the dog, the higher the quality, IMO. (Well, unless there is a limited gene pool.) There may be few breeders, but I bet most of them are responsible. Because it is when dogs start getting popular when the BYBs and PM step in.
Hey, maybe you could get a Boxer! :) lol Although, you couldn't really call a Boxer obedient...they most definitally have a mind of their own.

[Jason]

Hm... that's pretty cool. Considering getting one?
Definitely. They're on my short list right now. I'm in Chicago so that breeder would be a nice, short drive away.

[poeluvr]

BIGDOG, you want another dog?

[BigDog2191]

Yeah... why?

[poeluvr]

cant i ask a question?
i just wanted to know thats exciting if u are..thats all

[BigDog2191]

cant i ask a question?
i just wanted to know thats exciting if u are..thats all

Don't get testy. I was wondering why you asked that, can't I ask a question? And also where did you get that idea? I'd love one. But I won't be able to get one for a long time.

[poeluvr]

Hm... that's pretty cool. Considering getting one?
o theres a question mark i thought u said u were considering getting one. i wasnt getting testy thought youwere .you always seem to think im trying to start something with you,like the other time when you thought i was calling you condescending. or maybe thats just how i preceive it......i dont know

[BigDog2191]

o theres a question mark i thought u said u were considering getting one. i wasnt getting testy thought youwere .you always seem to think im trying to start something with you,like the other time when you thought i was calling you condescending. or maybe thats just how i preceive it......i dont know

OMG... LEA, he told me about the good breeders over in Michigan. Then, I said that's pretty cool, the following sentence I asked him, considering getting one? See how he answered right after Rose's Gal post.

[poeluvr]

OMG... LEA, he told me about the good breeders over in Michigan. Then, I said that's pretty cool, the following sentence I asked him, considering getting one? See how he answered right after Rose's Gal post.
i just said i made a mistake i see the quetion mark, ok?
i already said that.
i THOUGHT you said you were considering getting one, but i said i saw the question mark, meaning i know you didnt mean for you.

[BigDog2191]

Ok, whatever. Let's get back on topic.

Jason, I thought of another-- the dalmation?

[poeluvr]

whatever indeed

[BigDog2191]

whatever indeed

Thanks for adding such a nice 2-word post that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, kudos.

Jason, have you taken any of those breed selector quizzes?

[poeluvr]

you know what jason you seem to keep going back to the labradoodle..i think that is the one you want, and should get. they are beautiful

[poeluvr]

well then dont say what ever to me thats your two sense

[poeluvr]

though labroddodles r pricey, i think it actually may be good for your circumstance

[BigDog2191]

well then dont say what ever to me thats your two sense

I can say if I'd like but if you notice I actually CONTRIBUTED to the thread. And it's "cents", nice try though.

If you want to start beef with me, do it over PM or somewhere else don't hijack a thread.

Sorry, Jason.

[Jason]

Dalmation, no. I read something about how their popularity soared after the 101 Dalm movie, but then people started giving them up when they realized what they're all about. That doesn't mean I'd hate it but I don't like the way it looks.

[poeluvr]

I can say if I'd like but if you notice I actually CONTRIBUTED to the thread. And it's "cents", nice try though.

If you want to start beef with me, do it over PM or somewhere else don't hijack a thread.

Sorry, Jason.
your doing just as much damage to this thread as i am. i contributed too, and changed the subject, even though i knew youd keep at it. you could have pmed me too and said this instead of saying sorry to jason

[poeluvr]

what about the labradoodle. still lup for it. i just read about them, and never really seen what they looked like before now i know why u love it so much!

[Jason]

Yeah, don't jack the thread. I'm excited it's been this civil and productive so far, let's keep it that way. I love all the ideas.

[poeluvr]

ok me and big dog wont. sorry aswell.
isnt there also a breed that is a poodle and a lab, what about it

[BigDog2191]

your doing just as much damage to this thread as i am. i contributed too, and changed the subject, even though i knew youd keep at it. you could have pmed me too and said this instead of saying sorry to jason

No, if you notice I contributed every time asking a question or apologizing. When did you try and change the subject? Never.

You said "whatever indeed" and then after you posted that you went on about labradoodles. Don't say that and not expect a retaliation.

I don't post 2-word replies to one person saying "whatever indeed". And I have no beef with you which is why I didn't PM you and I won't. But if you want to continue please do so through PM. That means, if it was hard for you to understand, if your next reply is about me or this post--do it through PM.

This is my last time talking to you on this thread--again, sorry Jason.

[poeluvr]

sto talking what is your problem wrecking the thread as much as me... i wouldnt keep talking but now your making me mad,,,,you said i could have PMD you do it to me next time you need to say the last word.
also jason do u have a german shepard, im not sure if its only stirder or if you do too, but if you do why not get another one?
or if you dont never mind what i just said

[Jason]

what about the labradoodle. still lup for it. i just read about them, and never really seen what they looked like before now i know why u love it so much!
Thanks Lea. Even though it would be the perfect dog for us, a LD is out. The problem is that to buy one the right way is from a breeder, and I think the most responsible breeders are those in Australia (please let's not debate this), and I just can't justify that kind of cost. I refuse to buy from a shady breeder, so it's out.

[poeluvr]

thats real responsible of you. Yea where i was looking they were from australia . Anyone asking more then a grand for a dog, i just can;'t do

[BigDog2191]

Man... I'm gonna stop, I might say something I'm going to regret.

Jason, are you willing to go for small dogs, too?

[Jason]

thats real responsible of you. Yea where i was looking they were from australia . Anyone asking more then a grand for a dog, i just can;'t do
Exactly. I think I could max out at $1500 but it would have to be a special puppy.

[BigDog2191]

Exactly. I think I could max out at $1500 but it would have to be a special puppy.

Whoah... dude, have you considered maybe importing an already trained Doberman (they don't shed as much and are in your "bigness" area).

I think you could afford like a well-trained, already house trained, maybe schutzhund talented, Doberman. Whatcha think?

[Jason]

Man... I'm gonna stop, I might say something I'm going to regret.

Jason, are you willing to go for small dogs, too?I don't mind them but my wife doesn't want one. It's cool with me. I just want a dog man. I love all dogs so it's all good.

[Jason]

Whoah... dude, have you considered maybe importing an already trained Doberman (they don't shed as much and are in your "bigness" area).

I think you could afford like a well-trained, already house trained, maybe schutzhund talented, Doberman. Whatcha think?Though I could be wrong, I don't know if it's a sweet enough dog for us. My wife is a really sweet lady and she would like a dog to fit that part of her personality.

[poeluvr]

I don't mind them but my wife doesn't want one. It's cool with me. I just want a dog man. I love all dogs so it's all good.
i would have thought it would be the other way around. There has been such a big craze for small dogs...especially with women..i must admit i was one. Its good to have such a open mind Jason

[Jason]

Its good to have such a open mind JasonShhhh! Don't tell Gaddy! :D

[poeluvr]

o, gaddylovesdogs is your wife?

[Jason]

o, gaddylovesdogs is your wife?
OMG that's hilarious. No, it was a joke LEA.

[poeluvr]

o lol...i didnt know...:D

[poeluvr]

i dont know if you stated this already. But when are you planning getting the dog.

[BigDog2191]

Once he decides which dog to get...

Jason, so have you narrowed it down any?

[poeluvr]

i think Jason knows the answer not you
i mean like a year from now, or whenever your heart tells you

[Jason]

I think we'll be getting the dog around Christmastime. Can't totally plan for these things but that's the goal. I think it's narrowed down but my wife and I need to talk about it. I'm thinking FCR.

[poeluvr]

i just googled a flat coat.I forgot my dad had one! It just died a few years back from old age. I dont see my dad much but i used to pet sit him, and i grew up with him. i can tell you some first hand experiences with him?

[BigDog2191]

i think Jason knows the answer not you
i mean like a year from now, or whenever your heart tells you

LEA, I can contribute to this thread if I want. Jason, be prepared for a thread hijacking she's pissed me off enough.

Never mind, I ignored her. Now, things are better.

[poeluvr]

dont give false information, it wasnt when he found one, hes getting one at christmas, so you were wrong. cant you admit that, your starting to freak me out. i just want to help jason out.
I loved my dads dog, but he was old when i remember him. He was sweet he loved babies!

[BigDog2191]

What an idiot. Probably talking about me even though she's been IGNORED! HAHA!

[poeluvr]

i know that flat coated retreivers probably love water, because my dads did

[Jason]

What was it's coat like and do you remember shedding? Chill out guys.

[poeluvr]

well actually im on the phone with my dad, he remembers more then i do, let me ask.

[Renee750il]

Just one comment, might sound silly but it's probably good to keep it in mind - the rarer the breed, the harder it will be to find a (good) breeder. In any case, hopefully you will find a breed you really like.

Strange as it may sound, Fran, it's relatively easier to find an ethical breeder of a rare breed than of a popular breed. Granted, there are some wackos among some of the rare breeders (DON'T get me started on some of the Fila breeders who are basically ostracized by the legitimate breeders), but they are relatively few. Most who breed the rare breeds are dedicated to conserving - and in some cases restoring - the breeds.

Sounds to me like you've found a real possibility with that FCR breeder in fairly close proximity, Jason. Being able to get a highly well bred dog of a certain breed is a big plus for that breed over others.

[poeluvr]

i had to get offline to talk to him.
ok I remember his fur was silky long. He was Black. I didnt remember him shedding, but my dad says he did shed a good amount.
All that i remember , swear to god, nicest dog i ever met, lived to 15 years.

[bridey_01]

How about a Nova Scotia duck tolling retriever?
I don't know about shedding but they are wonderful dogs that fit all your criteria and very beautiful. I personally love collies, but they can be a bit highly strung.

[poeluvr]

o yea funny asit may be we got him for 25$ because the breeder was breeding them for profit but had to move quickly, and needed to get rid of him. Thought he was a mut for the longest time, until we took him to the vets, and he said 100% flat coat retriever. The trainer for him said that too, and since i looked at the picture he is identical, so i know what im talking about here.
I hope you do decide on him, great family dog i would think

[Jason]

i had to get offline to talk to him.
ok I remember his fur was silky long. He was Black. I didnt remember him shedding, but my dad says he did shed a good amount.
All that i remember , swear to god, nicest dog i ever met, lived to 15 years.
Thanks LEA, that's a huge help!

[poeluvr]

glad i could help:)

[Jason]

Sounds to me like you've found a real possibility with that FCR breeder in fairly close proximity, Jason. Being able to get a highly well bred dog of a certain breed is a big plus for that breed over others.I totally agree, that's a huge asset that makes my life easy. My only concern with such a well regarded breeder is cost.

[poeluvr]

yes, but im sure you wont have a problem since your ready to pay 1000$ for a good pup, for flat coated retreivers arnt in popular demand, so there one good thing-in my opinion
wow Jason you're doing such a good job your next concern will only be "I found the perfect dog, i dont want to wait till Christmas!"...lol:D

[bridey_01]

Nova Scotia's are pretty rare, but well worth the wait. They are also less rambunctios and easier to train than flat coats.

[Jason]

Nova Scotia's are pretty rare, but well worth the wait. They are also less rambunctios and easier to train than flat coats.Hey Bridey. What's your experience been with Flat Coats?

[bridey_01]

I've met two now at my club, one in my class and one in older puppy school. They are alot like labs, only not as "willing to please". They are quite excitable dogs, very loving and bouncy. My mentor has trained quite a few of them and describes them as "not the sharpest tool in the shed" (though she can be harsh).

[sparks19]

I don't know about you but I am totally in love with these silver labs someone posted the site for earlier. www.silverlabs.com

Tell me that is not the most gorgeous and intense looking dog ever lol sorry I'm obsessed now lol

[Zoom]

australian shepherds, australian cattle dogs and border collies can be seriously intense herders though, and can become quite nippy. trying to herd their people.


I remembered that the second I turned off my computer and was in too much of a hurry to come back on and edit.

Jason-what about a Goldendoodle? Saw one of those at the park the other day and I swear to God it looked like a real-life Muppet. It had the build and curlyness of a poodle with the coloration and coat length of a Golden. Sweet dog, very gangly. I don't remember if his owner said anything about the shed factor of it. Don't ask me where to start looking for one, but it's something to think about possibly.

[stirder]

dont know for sure but I imagine he would have the same problem with them as he had with the labradoodle. what I mean is that all the doodle dogs began in australia to try to create a hypoallergenic service/assistance dog. other countries have strict breeding regulations so I imagine all (or atleast the vast majority) of ethical breeders of goldendoodles would be in australia, just like with the labradoodles. america has a horrible probelm with unethical breeders who only care about dollar signs, and not a lick about the quality or health of the dogs. you may want to look into them to see if thats the case, but thats what I would guess. and I dont think a dobie is right for your family. it meets some of your criteria but they are far more dominant than a golden or flat coat. and a fully trained import dobie would START at $2,000 if you could even find one that cheap. a 1 year old started in schutzhund but not a serious prospect for competion, good for hobby schutzhund or family dog, maybe as low as $1,500 plus shipping costs. I think you have a very good selection with the flat coat, especially since you found an awesome breeder so close. I suggest you continue to research goldens, and nova scotia (glad that was mentioned, as well as their activity levels cause I was going to ask that for my own knowledge), and maybe the pointer breeds incase the flat coat doesnt work out. also glad I was baby sitting my wifes cousins all night and missed the little feude earlier.

[Zoom]

I followed a link at the top of the page for "Dakota Doodles"...their pups were priced around 500 for a labradoodle and 800-900 for a goldendoodle. However, I wouldn't buy from those people, mainly because they don't list any experience in breeding prior to this breed or how long they've been at it, and they both look VERY young. Maybe I'm biased, but I'd think a rep. breeder would be more than 23-25 years old.

sparks--the more I read about the silvers and the more I look at pictures, the more it looks like someone somewhere had a Weim get to their Lab. The head structure doesn't look right for a full lab. Pretty coat though.

[stirder]

thats exactly what I was thinking zoom, that weimerainer was in them. dont know if I mentioned that thought earlier or not, but thats funny. they are beautiful but I have a hard time beleiving when a "new color" appears in a breed that there was not another breed sneaking over the woodpile at sometime. like with the panda shepherd. sorry, hope no one starts discussing that breed. lets keep this on track for jason, no more fighting kids.

[bridey_01]

well as for the colour thing, we have that exact same colour as those labs in keplies now through careful breeding for a diluted black (blue/charcoal) and a diluted red (Fawn, chocolate), with no other breeds introduced.
As for the whole which breed, I think we all know now I'd go with a nova scotia:)

[Jason]

I like the idea of a Goldendoodle as much as a Labradoodle, but I'm very cautious as to where I get the dog. I'm afraid that a good breeder will charge too much and anything else is too shady. I'm kind of freaked out because of the overwhelming opinion (four people) on the other thread that said these kinds of breeders are shady. I don't believe that ALL are shady, but I think it might be very hard and expensive to find a respectable breeder. If you know of one I'd listen tho.

[bridey_01]

Well, there are alot in the papers here, though I wouldn't recommend buying from papers. Still, nova scotias...... hint hint!

[Jason]

The Nova Scotia looks really cool! I have to add it on my list.

[bridey_01]

Ha, yay! They are really great dogs, I would get one if i didnt already have too many dogs! They are quite rare but they excel in nearly everything a dog can excel in!

[Fran27]

You know, I was looking at the doodles sites in the US, omg, they charge $1500+ for them :eek: Some look serious actually, maybe not in their reasons for breeding them, but they do testing on the parents, and the pups seem to be socialized. It seems the 1st generation doodles are cheaper too. In any case, most seem good enough that even I can't find anything wrong in them.


If you're interested (there's labradoodles there too)

http://www.goldendoodles.com/breeders.htm

[Jason]

You know, I was looking at the doodles sites in the US, omg, they charge $1500+ for them :eek: Some look serious actually, maybe not in their reasons for breeding them, but they do testing on the parents, and the pups seem to be socialized. It seems the 1st generation doodles are cheaper too. In any case, most seem good enough that even I can't find anything wrong in them.


If you're interested (there's labradoodles there too)

http://www.goldendoodles.com/breeders.htm
How do you find this breeder info? I can't even find a web page for a FCR breeder.

[Fran27]

I just used google. If you type the name of the breed you often end up with the breed society and club sites.

Like this one

http://www.fcrsainc.org/

I think those are the best sites to find good breeders.

[Jason]

I just used google. If you type the name of the breed you often end up with the breed society and club sites.

Like this one

http://www.fcrsainc.org/

I think those are the best sites to find good breeders.Yeah but there are no breeders listed on the sites.

[Renee750il]

Often, if you'll contact the breed association directly they can give you references to breeders.

[Fran27]

Yeah, that's the problem with rarer breeds, it's a real pain to find breeders. Try to go to the local club page and send them an email saying you would be interested in a puppy and if they can give you a few good breeders. They seem to really push people to rescue though.

I looked on google and couldn't find much, going to keep looking...

[Athe]

Go to your local humane society and save a life. You can find the perfect match for you that meets all your ideals of a dog. Some of my best dogs were rescues, some of my worst dogs were thought out planned purebreed's. The gene pool of most purebred dogs is getting smaller and smaller the more popular they get...there's no getting around that until the kennel clubs start allowing crossbreeding...until then the rule of thumb is, the more popular the breed the higher the chance the dog is going to be nuerotic and skitzy...inbreeding does that. ;)

[Jason]

Go to your local humane society and save a life. You can find the perfect match for you that meets all your ideals of a dog. Some of my best dogs were rescues, some of my worst dogs were thought out planned purebreed's. The gene pool of most purebred dogs is getting smaller and smaller the more popular they get...there's no getting around that until the kennel clubs start allowing crossbreeding...until then the rule of thumb is, the more popular the breed the higher the chance the dog is going to be nuerotic and skitzy...inbreeding does that. ;)Wrong thread?

[Rose's Gal]

Ack, ok, forgive me, because I skipped some posts to skip some arguing, and now I'm lost. lol So Jason...are you looking at the NSDT Retriever?

[Jason]

Ack, ok, forgive me, because I skipped some posts to skip some arguing, and now I'm lost. lol So Jason...are you looking at the NSDT Retriever?
Possibly. I've done some prelim research and it seems like a good breed for us. But I read it needs an extreme amount of exercise and we may be doing it a disservice if it needs THAT much.

[Fran27]

Yeah excercise can be a bummer sometimes. I feel terrible for not excercising Boris more than I do, but with the heat it's really hard to.

I couldn't find more sites with breeders. It's a bummer, I didn't know they were THAT rare.

[stirder]

nova scotia duck tolling retriever club USA http://www.nsdtrc-usa.org/ go to club information on the left, then club contacts, then regional directors. region 2 is patty beran in wisconsin who covers illinois as well as some other states. call her (him?) and they can recommend a breeder and tell you a lot more about their excercise requirements and shedding, etc.

[Rose's Gal]

How much were you planning on exercising the dog? I think that if you can handle a GSD and its activity and mental needs, I'm sure you can handle a NSDT Retriever. But then, I'm not you, so only you can decide that.

[Jason]

How much were you planning on exercising the dog? I think that if you can handle a GSD and its activity and mental needs, I'm sure you can handle a NSDT Retriever. But then, I'm not you, so only you can decide that.
We're planning on exercising our dog about an hour or more a day...so maybe it will workout with a NSDTR.

[stirder]

one hour all together? including indoor play, back yard, walks, dog park, and everything?

[Fran27]

I think he said somewhere that it doesn't include indoor play etc.

I assume too that it will be much more in the week end.

[Jason]

I think he said somewhere that it doesn't include indoor play etc.

I assume too that it will be much more in the week end.
Yeah it would probably be an hour a day for walks alone. That doesn't include all the indoor play every day or the dog parks on the weekend (and some weekdays).

I work from home a day or two a week, and on those days the dog will get all kinds of activity.

[stirder]

thats what I thought you had said, but figured a bunch of people might not have read that and would jump on you for it.

[poeluvr]

Ack, ok, forgive me, because I skipped some posts to skip some arguing, and now I'm lost. lol So Jason...are you looking at the NSDT Retriever?
not all i said was arguing. The NSTD'S are very interesting looking dogs aswell

[Fran27]

So.. Found anything yet?

I'm all curious now :D

[Jason]

So.. Found anything yet?

I'm all curious now :D
Well, I think we're down to:

NSDTR
FCR
GR

Any more that we should consider?

[BigDog2191]

Excuse my ignorance, what's the NSDTR?

EDIT: Never mind, I know what is is, the Nova Scotia Duck Trolling Retreiver.

[stirder]

think you've got a good list there unless you want to consider spaniels or pointers. some are higher energy, some are lower than retrievers.

[Jason]

I just saw this and it's making me nervous:

http://www.tollerzone.com/breed.htm

Scroll down for the top 10 reasons NOT to own a Toller.

[BigDog2191]

Don't get discouraged. All breeds have their ups and downs, if you really want it, go for it.

I thought the FCR was great though, if it was me, I would gotten that one. But to each his own--everybody has their own personal wants/needs.

[Julie]

Hi Jason,
I am new to this forum, but have read some long posts concerning a dog for you.

Someone mentioned a weimaraner mixed with a lab creating a silver lab...????
Not going there..

But have you given thought to a weimaraner? They do need lots of excercise and attention and training. But they look to me to have very soft, short, thin, coats. I do not have experience with shedding of the weimaraner, but it can't possibly shed as much as a golden retriever.
And they used these dogs on sesame street, dressed them up as people, and they are known for staying still, I read an article on it somewhere. They are also in many pictures all dressed up. They must have some restraint.

After reading all your posts, the only other dog I think would match is a standard poodle. They are active, and NOT A SISSY DOG. They are also very intelligent. I love the look of these dogs with the right "hair doo".

Good Luck in finding the right dog!!!
Let Us Know.

Julie. :)

[bridey_01]

The tollers I know have no problem with cats (most dogs don't if raised with them) and I have never heard of "the scream". I would imagine it would be a little detrimental to the job of quietly waving your tail trying to attract ducks!
Although i've only met about six of them, I would buy one in an instant if I had the chance. I'm not sure about excercise requirments, the ones I know were trained to such a high degree I doubt they ever had a boring moment in their lives.

[BigDog2191]

Also a good idea like Julie mentioned, a Weimaraner. My friend has one and it's one of the best and nicest dogs I ever met. Some normal exercise would do and I think you'll like the fact that they have a very thin, smooth coat. So shedding is extremely minimum.

And at that, they're pretty good watch dogs from what I hear. They do some protection, too.

[Jason]

UPDATE: We're picking up our Flat-Coated Retriever on Friday, 12/30 from a breeder in Bay City, MI. Thanks for your breed suggestions.

[BigDog2191]

Awesome! Nice Christmas present. :)

[Fran27]

I love flat-coat retrievers. I hope we'll see pictures.

[RedyreRottweilers]

Rottweilers are heavy shedders.

[Ash47]

Never known a Flatty! My suggestion was going to be mini Poodle. Good luck with your new friend!

[tessa_s212]

Yay! Congrats!:D

[Jason]

Never known a Flatty! My suggestion was going to be mini Poodle. Good luck with your new friend!
Does anyone on this site have a FCR or am I the only one? It is a rare breed but I'd be surprised if I was the only owner. I will post pics for you guys.

[tessa_s212]

I know a breeder of Flat Coats from another forum. Wonderful dogs with great personalities. I also love that there are a number of Flattie breeders breeding for both field & conformation! I LOVE that in breeds! :D

[Jason]

I know a breeder of Flat Coats from another forum. Wonderful dogs with great personalities. I also love that there are a number of Flattie breeders breeding for both field & conformation! I LOVE that in breeds! :D
Yeah it's a good breed to have for the right reasons. The breeders all breed to better the breed because nobody has heard of a FCR, so it doesn't pay to do it for money. The public doesn't know what it's missing.

[Jynx]

I have a friend who has a few Flat-heads as I call them *vbg*..They are not a rare breed.

They are very friendly dogs, they do shed, (but no where like a gsd,,I have two gsd's and yeppie they shed)...They are really good "bird dogs"..

While I like my friends,,they can be very very stubborn dogs, especially while on a "bird"...Rather independent lets' say..However, there are many doing agility, obedience,,field work..

Good luck with your's,,they are really cute puppies..
diane

[xxxpoo]

What we're looking for in a dog:

1. Sweet dog
2. Loyal
3. Obedient
4. Intelligent
5. Good with kids
6. Preferably not a heavy shedder
7. Wants to be loved
8. Friendly to others

As many of you know, we're thinking of a Golden. That's the easy choice. But maybe somebody could offer an alternate suggestion, there's got to be some. I appreciate your responses but I'd ask that we limit this discussion to possible breeds and not where to buy a dog or who from. Thank you for any advice.

Sounds like you are in need of a maltepoo.

[Gallien Jacks]

xxxpoo why why why are you intent of promoting designer breeds? Do you breed these yourself?

Jason I think you should find some dogs that you like the look of and that fit into what you are looking for, the Kennel club is a great place to start, then meet some of the breeds and see what you fall in love with

[Gallien Jacks]

Ok i have just seen that this is an old thread so this person prob has their dog now, stop trying to cause troubble!

[bubbatd]

Agree !