Soldiers throw a puppy off a cliff. *Video showing it*

[GlassOnion]

Holy crap I am so, SO ****ing pissed off right now.


Yes, the video shows the whole thing and the soldiers faces.
http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=463231


I don't care if they ARE fighting for our country, I'll beat the **** out of them if I ever see them walking down the street.

[maxfox426]

I can't believe I just saw that. How could anyone be that cruel?!? I just want to scream!

:mad: *seething*

[Laurelin]

That's disgusting. Literally makes me sick.

[Dekka]

OMG OMG OMG that is one of the most horrible things I have ever seen (why did I watch it?) he was smiling!??!!! And the poor puppy cried as it fell. I hope someone went out to see if was dead or horribly maimed and to put it out of its misery.

WOW I hope he does get charged with animal cruelty. Than is the sickest thing I think I have EVER seen on the internet.

[Laurelin]

I just can't understand why anyone would do that. The only reason is to be cruel. It's just sick.

[bubbatd]

I can't stand that !!!!!!!!

[nancy2394]

I did not watch the video because it would forever be etched in my brain... the mental picture I have is already bad enough.. waaahh. Has anyone brought that video forward to the proper people to have animal cruelty charges filed against the people involved in such a horrific act??? Someone needs to be punished for that. That poor puppy... I am so sad and I am glad I didn't click on the link... I don't think I could handle watching it.

[Dekka]

Nancy.. you are smart. I will have that image of the smiling soldier with pup, and the pup crying forever in my mind.

(and this guy has a gun! :eek:)

[bubbatd]

I'm glad that I didn't have my sound on !!! The picture was bad enough !!!

[FrenchKissed]

If it is real, it is terrible and the man should be prosecuted in military court to the fullest extent of the law. That was a dissgraceful act, very dishonerable, and shameful, and worse he was wearing a military uniform when he did it.
What I find shocking is that they video taped this...and then put it on the net? What kind of stupidity does that take? Is the video real? I hope not. I hope it's some horrible hoax created by some young dumb guys who thought it was funny. The fact that it was taped is one of the main reasons why I am reluctant to believe it's real...and will continue to hope it's not...but the measure of human cruelty is endless.

[skittledoo]

OMG that's so horrible *tears* What a prick!!!

[MelissaCato]

Isn't it ironic though people on this forum would get all hot and bothered by a propagando video of a puppy being killed only by a US Soldier, yet your dead set on voting for people who will eventually kill off whole breeds and bloodlines through democracy? It's to be expected I guess.

[Dekka]

umm well no matter what peoples political views, I don't the people they will be voting for will condone the torturing puppies.

[bubbatd]

I see no reason for this to be a political issue ! As far as animal cruelty ....I've heard many stories of soldiers befriending many dogs and sending them back home here . The story of that one soldier who saved a pup and then was killed broke my heart . The family did send for the dog and even though their son is gone , have his dog to hug .

[Gempress]

I see no reason for this to be a political issue ! As far as animal cruelty ....I've heard many stories of soldiers befriending many dogs and sending them back home here . The story of that one soldier who saved a pup and then was killed broke my heart . The family did send for the dog and even though their son is gone , have his dog to hug .

I remember that story, Grammy. It was so sad.

[Renee750il]

Melissa, that was one time when you really shoulda looked at your own signature one last time before you hit the post button . . . that was pretty callous.

I'm not going to watch the video. Like Nancy, I don't need that branded into my head.

Just like not everyone who puts on a uniform is a sadistic bully, neither does a U.S. military uniform automatically confer hero status on the wearer. There are a lot of people who want to be soldiers for all the wrong reasons . . .

[FrenchKissed]

Isn't it ironic though people on this forum would get all hot and bothered by a propagando video of a puppy being killed only by a US Soldier, yet your dead set on voting for people who will eventually kill off whole breeds and bloodlines through democracy? It's to be expected I guess.



If that had actually made any sense I might of commented on it.

[bubbatd]

Thanks Renee !!!! Agree on both counts !

[RD]

"That's mean", that's all they have to say? What a disgusting, pathetic waste of oxygen (all of them who watched that bullshit and didn't step in and punch that jerk's lights out) and I don't CARE what those individuals are doing in this ridiculous war... They will never be heroes.

I gotta go hug my dogs now.

[ACooper]

I am not going to watch the video either.......I can only imagine :(

[mjb]

I knew better than to watch the video. In fact, I've passed on the thread for awhile. Unfortunately, I still have an image of what was probably on the video. Hopefully, they won't get away with it.

It would be an equally disturbing incident regardless of whether the people in the video were soldiers or civilians.

[shadowfacedanes]

Isn't it ironic though people on this forum would get all hot and bothered by a propagando video of a puppy being killed only by a US Soldier, yet your dead set on voting for people who will eventually kill off whole breeds and bloodlines through democracy? It's to be expected I guess.

WTF? Random much?

[Momof2Pups]

I am so ****ing livid right now I'm shaking.
Karma's a bitch and I hope those SOBs get what's coming to them.
I have to go hug my dogs, too.

[anna84]

I can't watch this right now. I might later cause it can't be worse then the different scenarios i'm imagining. I don't know whats worse the **** who smiled as he threw the dog over or the guys that stood around and did nothing.

[LauraLeigh]

Wow I wish I had not watched that, if you are not pretty darn tough pass on it like some smart people have....... I think it is real, it sure feels it, and those men ( If you can call them that ) are the lowest form for sure.... It`s so sad that this happened at all but somehow seems almost unreal that it was carried out by a soldier whom would normally be seen as a hero.... Good thing everyone is smart enough to know that this is not typical and that there are bad eggs even amongst those who protect us...

[MelissaCato]

Ohh sorry. I just figured everyone was aloud to post thoughts. Sorry. I'll remember next time to go with the flow.

[Baxter'smybaby]

I so wish I didnt see that--unbelievable. I just don't even know what to say--

[skittledoo]

my dog has officially been hugged just now...

[CharlieDog]

Ohh sorry. I just figured everyone was aloud to post thoughts. Sorry. I'll remember next time to go with the flow.

You really should take your own sigs advice.

And it's spelled ALLOWED. Not ALOUD. That means someone said something aloud, not that they were allowed to speak aloud. So shut up.

[Lilavati]

That man is a disgrace to his uniform and his country.

I have nothing else to say on the matter.

Edit: No, wait, I do. He's also a disgrace to the human race.

[skittledoo]

That man is a disgrace to his uniform and his country.

I have nothing else to say on the matter.

Edit: No, wait, I do. He's also a disgrace to the human race.

Amen :hail:

[Brattina88]

:( I don't think I'll watch it...

But still... that's HORRIBLE !! :( :mad:

[LoveMyKees]

I'm not going to watch it...I don't think I'd ever be able to get the picture out of my head.

The thought alone, though, is extremely disturbing :( Its such a disgrace...

[bubbatd]

Forget the fact that he is a soldier !!! It's the action done .... whether here or in Timbuktu !!! whether by a red neck or a prince !!! No excuse !!!

[GlassOnion]

I wish I hadn't watched it but I have a morbid curiosity and look at all those people of people disembowled from motorcycle crashes and what not...

The part where it squeals as it's chunked is the worst part. Up until that part you're thinking "Surely it's a clever editing trick with a stuffed animal" but then it goes and makes it real for you and you're forced to admit that there are really people that Satanic.


And Melissa I don't think this is really the thread for a political debate. You could start a thread in the fire hydrant linking to this thread as an example for whatever point you're trying to prove.

Edit: By the by the site I found this on has a lot of people who are very computer savvy. They've already found the guys name (David Mortari) and his address and phone number. (which I won't post)

Something tells me he's going to get his just desserts.

[bubbatd]

I really hope that the whole thing is a fake ......... I don't know how anyone could actually do it , have it taped and put on internet ..........

[MelissaCato]

It is fake Grammy, or saving a bullet in war. Dogs in Islamic Lands are seen as evil and used as suicide bombers. Here's a little linky about Tehran.

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2007/9/4df82da8-fdad-4fae-9661-d0eb1183be32.html

[doberkim]

Here is an update:

http://www.local6.com/news/15481356/detail.html

[Lilavati]

It is fake Grammy, or saving a bullet in war. Dogs in Islamic Lands are seen as evil and used as suicide bombers. Here's a little linky about Tehran.

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2007/9/4df82da8-fdad-4fae-9661-d0eb1183be32.html

I don't think its a fake. I have some background in such things, and if its a fake, its a good one.

Saving a bullet in war? Give me a break. Yes, dogs have been used as suicide bombers, and yes, they are seen as disposible and unclean in Islamic countries (evil might be exaggerating in most cases).

However, THAT is a puppy. There is nothing strapped to it. It is not a threat to anyone, especially our soldiers. Who, by the way, can definately afford any number of bullets. Yes, the war is expensive, and yes we are short on supplies, but I have utterly no doubt there is no shortage of bullets. If for some reason I can't think of, killing that puppy was necessary, they have plenty of more humane and decent ways to do it, starting with a bullet, and including such options as a quick blow to the back of the head with a rock. And, notably, they look they they are having a good time . . . like its a great joke. Anyone who enjoys killing puppies, even if its necessary, gives me serious doubts about their character.

Considering how many of our soldiers have helped dogs, and other animals, in Iraq, I would say that killing puppies is not a military strategy.

Propaganda? It can be used that way. However, I don't see why. Its hardly telling us anything shocking about the military. There are bad apples in our military, just as in every other military in the world, just as in the civilian population. Its sad, but that's the world. His behavior is a disgrace, and I am glad to hear the military is looking into it. That is exactly what they should be doing, to protect the dignity and honor of the military. Our soldiers should not get enjoyment out of harming helpless creatures. That's sick. We're a better country and a better people than that.

Just being an American solider doesn't make you a perfect person. I wish it did. I'm sure the military wishes it did. But it doesn't, and when soldiers act in such callous, cruel and shameful ways, they are punished. Which is how it should be . . . especially when those soliders are stupid enough to do it on camera, and further more, are occupying a nation and surrounded by civilians.

I hope its a fake, I really do. But I'm not going to justify it if its not because the people in it are our soldiers. On the contary, I condemn it more strongly, because those young men reprisent my nation, its ideals, and by extension, they reprisent me. War is a war, and awful things happen, and I accept that. But this is sadism, and for that there is no excuse, in peace or in war.

[MelissaCato]

Hummm so you think our soldiers should have called 911 to the ASPCA or on-call Emerg. Vet in War to "liberate" a government not only from female slavery but the dogs too ? Or save a bullet ? I hope it's fake too. But I understand if it isn't.

[Dekka]

Hummm so you think our soldiers should have called 911 to the ASPCA or on-call Emerg. Vet in War to "liberate" a government not only from female slavery but the dogs too ? Or save a bullet ? I hope it's fake too. But I understand if it isn't.

Does anyone one know that this means?.. I need a translation. This seems to me you say you understand men having a joke and laughing about torturing a puppy????

(and yes I did think of the fact they may be killing off orphaned puppies or something, but tossing them off a cliff is one of the least humane ways possible)

[MelissaCato]

But this is sadism, and for that there is no excuse, in peace or in war. Ohhh but survival isn't virtual. Maybe you'll never understand that, but it's true. If the pup was ill or cripple and anyone found it .. anyone would have choices to make in an environment like that to do what's best for the situation. Would anyone waste anyones water supply, a bullet, use anyones bare hands or just leave it behind to suffer. You have choices. The Soldier clearly said at the end he had to do what he had to do. Basically they couldn't leave it behind to suffer. That's how I understood the video in all honesty. The dude with the video camara is the joker not the one willing to save water and a bullet for his life. Another sad thing, I wonder how many people were with him who did have ammo. War is survival.

[Dekka]

Survival isn't virtual..... ummm errrr.

vir·tu·al Listen to the pronunciation of virtual
Pronunciation:
\ˈvər-chə-wəl, -chəl; ˈvərch-wəl\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Middle English, efficacious, potential, from Medieval Latin virtualis, from Latin virtus strength, virtue
Date:
15th century

1: being such in essence or effect though not formally recognized or admitted <a virtual dictator>
2: of, relating to, or using virtual memory
3: of, relating to, or being a hypothetical particle whose existence is inferred from indirect evidence <virtual photons> — compare real 3
4: being on or simulated on a computer or computer network <print or virtual books> <a virtual keyboard>: as a: occurring or existing primarily online <a virtual library> <virtual shopping> b: of, relating to, or existing within a virtual reality <a virtual world> <a virtual tour>

Melissa I really want to understand your posts some times, but you make it so difficult.

Did you read Lilivati's post about humanely killing the pup? Cause I don't care how sickly it was throwing it off a cliff is not acceptable. What if the fall hadn't killed it. Do you think that man would have trekked down there to finish the job? Or would he have laughed and left?

[MelissaCato]

Survival isn't virtual

What didn't you understand ? :rolleyes:

I said it as frank as I could.

[Dekka]

So survival is a simulation?
Survival is a computer game?
Survival is informally recognized?
Survival is not real?

Please tell me in which way you meant it.. and then how it applies.

[bcmoffatt]

The Soldier clearly said at the end he had to do what he had to do. Basically they couldn't leave it behind to suffer. That's how I understood the video in all honesty. The dude with the video camera is the joker not the one willing to save water and a bullet for his life. Another sad thing, I wonder how many people were with him who did have ammo. War is survival.

Yes. The man who threw the puppy is a hero. Shame on the camera man for not putting he camera down to help. :rolleyes:

I work with a guy who is ex-military. He said they had to shoot dogs on occasion, because they were sick or scavenging human corpses. He won't talk about it, let alone post it on the internet and laugh. See the difference??

The @$$ wipe in that video hold it up and says' Aww, isn't it cute' or something to that effect before he tosses it. He's a sick piece or crap, a waste of life.

[Renee750il]

I hope its a fake, I really do. But I'm not going to justify it if its not because the people in it are our soldiers. On the contary, I condemn it more strongly, because those young men reprisent my nation, its ideals, and by extension, they reprisent me. War is a war, and awful things happen, and I accept that. But this is sadism, and for that there is no excuse, in peace or in war.

Very well said, Lilavati! (Has the makings of a great closing for a closing argument, too ;) )

[skittledoo]

Melissa, I'm not honestly the kind of person that likes debate or likes to argue with people, especially over the internet... but I seriously have to echo what others have said prior. Now's a really ideal time for you to take advantage of that little siggy of yours. Here's your chance to shut up. If you want to bring politics into this then you need to take it to a different thread. We can all debate politics in a seperate thread till we're blue in the face. But this thread right here... is not the place for your politic bullcrap.


*steps off pedestal*

[MelissaCato]

I work with a guy who is ex-military. He said they had to shoot dogs on occasion, because they were sick or scavenging human corpses. He won't talk about it, let alone post it on the internet and laugh. See the difference??


Yes I do clearly. That's why I hope it's a fake.

[Jules]

This is horrible. I can only hope that this dipstick will get his @ss handed to him.

[adojrts]

And just would the point be if it was fake??????? I didn't watch it, no need, I am fully aware of how cruel people can be.
If that pup needed to be put out of its misery, there were much better ways to do it. Being a soldier they are trained in hand to hand combat, hell they are trained to mortally protect themselves and it should have been to easy to break that pups neck. Hell even I know how to do that.
I agree (regardless of whether its a fake or not), they are a disgrace to themselves, the Marines, their Country and to the rest of free world. Hopefully they will be held accountable for their actions, real or not.

[Amstaffer]

First...I love our troops and hold them in the highest regard. They are some of the very best the USA has to offer.

With that said...these two puke bags are fecal mounds. They are sadistic and evil and make our country (including their fellow soldiers) look bad.

Even if you hate dogs you should still be outraged by this. This will be used to make our country and our soldiers look like evil and cruel bullies. It is a Huge PR blunder. These soldiers should be court marshaled for Treason because they have given our enemy help in the Public Opinion war they we are fighting.

Side note: Dogs and Muslims: Dogs are not viewed as evil, just unclean.

[Herschel]

The sound was unbearable. I can't believe people could do that.

When will we realize that war is not the answer? That poor puppy--and think of the number of PEOPLE that have faced similar fates.

[MelissaCato]

Ohh wait here's another dog the Soldiers found. The title reads "torturing" .. these Soldiers found the dog like this over two years ago and someone is only clipin 1:01 instance on youtube. The full IED video back 2 years ago would have been the full video seeing the dog as they drove up on it close range and the land and goats around that was polverized. They expected the situation was like this for days. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=29ubFeESQbU

I just find it hard to believe our Military kills uninjured animals for no reason. But that's just me.

[skittledoo]

Melissa... I find it hard to believe that some grown man could rape an innocent little girl... the thought of it is disgusting and twisted but it still happens and is extremely unfortunate and absolutely terrible. You have a hard time believing that our armed forces would do something like this. You'd like to think that all of our military is great and wouldn't kill uninjured animals... but as it stands in every group; there are always a few selected that have a few wires loose. It's not the military that's doing it to these pups... it's certain individuals... individuals that need to be heavily punished for their sick and twisted actions.

I don't know that this video is fake or not. That's besides the point. Even if it's fake, the individuals who thought to even make the video are still sick and twisted in my mind.

[AileyRyanne]

I can't watch it, I would feel so bad and keep thinking about it. I can't believe someone would do that how horrible. I hope these idiots get into trouble.

[Jules]

Ohh wait here's another dog the Soldiers found. The title reads "torturing" .. these Soldiers found the dog like this over two years ago and someone is only clipin 1:01 instance on youtube. The full IED video back 2 years ago would have been the full video seeing the dog as they drove up on it close range and the land and goats around that was polverized. They expected the situation was like this for days. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=29ubFeESQbU

I just find it hard to believe our Military kills uninjured animals for no reason. But that's just me.

What are you talking about? The link that you posted is just as terrible, IMO. I can not understand how a human could torture a hurt dog by throwing stones at it. If they wanted to help, they'd put it out of its misery.. not torture it by throwing stones at it and getting a riot out of it.

Same with the video from the puppy that was thrown over the cliff. HOW is that fake? I can only hope- and I am sure it will happen- that someone up the chain of command from that Marine will bust his @ss into shape. Just because someone is in the military does not mean that they automatically are not sh!tbags. And every so often stuff like this will come up and it hurts the image of all service members.

[iluvmypup]

OHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOO! Those bad son of a #@$***

[angelzeus]

someone should make sure that these soliders that are serving are country are punished for doing such a horriable thing i wish i knew how to get a hold of there commanding officer and have these guys throwen off a cliff they are horriable people

[Laurelin]

MilissaCato, please just stop. Even people in the military are capable of just plain WRONG actions. This is one. No matter who had thrown the dog- military or not, it would be a cruel action.

They deserve to be punished.

[RD]

Agreed, Laurelin! They're pitiful HUMAN BEINGS no matter their occupation or country of origin, MCato, so why are you defending them?

[Dakotah]

Oh My god... I did not know that that video was so bad. I am crying so bad.... That is so upseting.

[shadowfacedanes]

Ohh wait here's another dog the Soldiers found. The title reads "torturing" .. these Soldiers found the dog like this over two years ago and someone is only clipin 1:01 instance on youtube. The full IED video back 2 years ago would have been the full video seeing the dog as they drove up on it close range and the land and goats around that was polverized. They expected the situation was like this for days. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=29ubFeESQbU

I just find it hard to believe our Military kills uninjured animals for no reason. But that's just me.


I can't decide if it's your astounding ignorance, or your horrible grammar that makes it difficult to understand your posts. Are you actually defending the actions in the video you just posted??

Keep on rockin' that fantasy world you're living in. Regardless of what you find "hard to believe"...people do sick $hit everyday. Soldiers, priests, doctors, lawyers, etc.

Whatever, I'm out. This thread makes my stomach churn, especially to read blind spew from someone who won't open their eyes because they "don't believe it".

[Dakotah]

That man is a disgrace to his uniform and his country.

I have nothing else to say on the matter.

Edit: No, wait, I do. He's also a disgrace to the human race.

Agreed.

[Romy]

Update with some responses from the marines:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334709,00.html

Seems that while Melissa is ok defending them, their superiors are absolutely mortified and outraged at what happened.

[Fruit bat]

Hummm so you think our soldiers should have called 911 to the ASPCA or on-call Emerg. Vet in War to "liberate" a government not only from female slavery but the dogs too ? Or save a bullet ? I hope it's fake too. But I understand if it isn't.
Sheesh , just when you think you've heard it all. This forum would be a better place if they banned you.

[skittledoo]

WOW... I hope justice will bite them in the arse and the individuals responsible for this will get what's coming from them.

[CharlieDog]

I agree with RD and fruit bat.

This person is sick and twisted and I hope he AND his little friend get what is coming to them. Both of them deserve to be punished. Hopefully they will be thrown off that cliff.

[MelissaCato]

... this whole thread was to stir the pot. It's nothing more than desensitized rhetoric.

I'm not supporting these people to do such things, that's your twisted minds thinking ..

.. and I ment the word aloud.

[Laurelin]

Propaganda.... right.

Cause I'm sure GO just posted this because he thinks all US soldiers are puppy killers.

You defended them and said that you'd 'understand if it is not a fake'. Well, there's nothing to understand. No matter which way you spin it, there's something terribly wrong with this video and the people that participated. You can't defend them and they deserve no such defense. It's cruelty for the sake of cruelty. Videotaped nonetheless while they are smiling and laughing about it. It's sick, is what it is.

[bubbatd]

And who is stirring the pot !!!! ( BTW... nice to see you Fruitbat ! )

[MelissaCato]

Here's the latest. http://www.infowars.com/?p=582

[bubbatd]

He needs to be watched ..................sick ....

[Momof2Pups]

They're poor excuses for human beings, and it makes me physically ill to read any slight defense for their disgusting actions against an innocent puppy.

[darkchild16]

And who is stirring the pot !!!! ( BTW... nice to see you Fruitbat ! )

ME CHOSE ME i know the answer *jumps up and down waving hand in teh air*

[bubbatd]

Lol!!!

[Jules]

So... my husband, who is a Marine, told me that he was approached by a civilian at his work today, yelling "Hey Devildog! It's good to see what you guys are trained to do out there!" My husband, was irritated, because when someone yells "devildog" after you, it's usually a "fellow", higher ranking Marine, who caught you f'ing up. DH didn't see the video and had no idea what the guy was talking about. By the way, the civilian went on and on pretty much cussing out my husband.
He went back to his shop and his SSgt told him about the whole story. Everyone was furious. Everyone hopes that he gets his rank taken, thrown in the brig and getting a less than honorable discharge.

So... even the discussion if this is "normal" behavior from the military is ridiculous. However, it only takes one to ruin the reputation of many and it is sad. I wish we could just take actions of one and judge him on what he did.

[CharlieDog]

.. and I ment the word aloud.

Then your grasp of the English language is more pitiful than even your posts give insight into.

ALOUD:
using the voice; not silently; "please read the passage aloud"; "he laughed out loud"
loudly: with relatively high volume; "the band played loudly"; "she spoke loudly and angrily"; "he spoke loud enough for those at the back of the room to hear him"; "cried aloud for help"
audibly, as in: He read the book aloud.

ALLOWED:
means "having permission": His boss allowed him to take the weekend off.
permitted, as in: No one under 17 allowed.

You MEANT (by the way, that was spelled WRONGLY AS WELL, MEANT, not MENT, which isn't even a word.) ALLOWED. You are just to stupid to recognize it as such.

{edited by mod}

[Romy]

{edited by mod} her views are very different from most other people's on here, they do have value even if people don't agree with her a lot of the time.

[CharlieDog]

Ah well. I'm sure you are right Romy.

[Buddy'sParents]

I've not responded to this thread, because, for starters, I had no words for the despicable acts onto an innocent creature by not only a US citizen, but a representative of that very place as well. I chose not to view the video, I know well enough what a cruel world we live in. I can only pray that the individuals responsible for such awful acts receive due punishment.

Isn't it ironic though people on this forum would get all hot and bothered by a propagando video of a puppy being killed only by a US Soldier, yet your dead set on voting for people who will eventually kill off whole breeds and bloodlines through democracy? It's to be expected I guess.

As for you. Read my words carefully. What is ironic is that you have made this forum into your own battle ground for political warfare. You've not taken any of the hints dropped by many members that your banter is just not appropriate for a DOG forum. It is unconceivable to me that you have the ability tie in the obvious and disgusting abuse of a puppy and turned it into a conversation about voting. Please, don't try to explain yourself, spare us all. But, do refrain from this banter from here on out. You're actions are that of a troll and we have forum rules that we adhere to. Follow them.

[bubbatd]

I personally feel that MC start her own thread and stick to political stomping there . If she feels that she has a lot to say ....go to it !!! Just don't highjack other threads .

[shadowfacedanes]

I whole heartedly agree, Nikki, that MC acts just like a troll. Every post she makes screams "Look at ME, Look at ME".

I say we all just put her on ignore and carry on our merry little ways.

[GHOST]

i have some friends that came home from there and to this day,,, they are not the same,,, it changed them,,,, what they saw and had to do i guess,,,, but still you never know what led up to this,,,, he may have been blew up 2 days before,,, i won't judge him till the whole truth comes out,,, it is inhumane and cruel but so is watching you best friend lose his life or even his limbs,,,

if he done it out of meaness,,, he's picking on a poor defenceseless puppy,,, it just show what kind of person he is,,,,and in todays society,,,, looks can be everything,,,,but hey personally i think our boys are fighting a war the politicians should be over there fighting

[Momof2Pups]

I agree there's a great amount of irritating trollish behavior. I guess it's time to implement the ignore feature.

[Lilavati]

... this whole thread was to stir the pot. It's nothing more than desensitized rhetoric.

I'm not supporting these people to do such things, that's your twisted minds thinking ..

.. and I ment the word aloud.

There are situations for desensitized rhetoric. This is not one of them. Why? Because there's really no room for honest debate. Baiting, yes, but not debate.

Debate requires an ambigious situation. This is not one. I can imagine plenty of 'animal cruelty in Iraq' ambigious situations:

shooting dogs because they were diseased, or feeding on corpses;
shooting dogs because there was a reasonable suspicion they were being used as living bombs;
shooting dogs because they are, for all practical purposes, in the context of Iraq, vermin;
beating a dog to death with a rifle butt because its necessary to kill it and you can't use a bullet;
shooting a dog for no reason because you saw your buddy blown up and you're angry and you can't take it anymore . . .

All these situations have some ambiguity . . . about what is the right thing to do, or about human frailty. As for a real world example, look at the Iraqis killed by a terrorist bomb at a dog fight . . . cosmic justice?

But this is NOT those situations. The animal in question is a puppy, and obviously no threat to anyone. There is no shortage of bullets. They are not the midst of battle (or if they are they are exceptionally stupid). There are many other ways to humanely kill a sick puppy. They do not look strung out. Their appearent good mood makes me think its unlikely that their best friends died a few days before. They do not come from a culture where dogs are viewed as unclean, evil, or inauspicious.

They look like two or three guys having a roaring good time amusing themselves by callously killing a harmless animal in a cruel way. The only amibguity here, that I see, is whether the video is real. There's nothing to debate about the soldier's actions, no mitigating circumstances, no moral dilemmia. Assuming the video is real, they clearly know what they are doing, had time to consider it, knew it was wrong, and did it anyway, appearently for fun. Moreover, they are shameless (and stupid or arrogant) enough to tape the whole thing and show it to the world, shaming not only themselves but the Marines and the United States.

There's not much room for debate here. I suppose we could debate their punishment. But there's nothing to justify, no excuse to make, no rhetorical room to manuver. If this was all for the purpose of debate, you have a rhetoical tin ear.

As for those of you who think this says something about the war, I don't believe it does. It shows that some of our soliders are bad apples . . . so are some of our citizens, right here. It doesn't take a war to make people act that badly, unfortunately.

[Dekka]

I whole heartedly agree, Nikki, that MC acts just like a troll. Every post she makes screams "Look at ME, Look at ME".

I say we all just put her on ignore and carry on our merry little ways.

But if I do that I will never know what the comment "survival isn't virtual means" That has been nagging at me all day. I even asked some people at school that if you read that what you would think it meant. No one could make heads or tails of it. I posted the definition of virtual to help MC and asked for clarification... none seems forth coming. If any of you out there have any ideas what it could mean. PLEASE let me know. (or if this is some strange version of English made up by MC to confuse people into thinking she is saying something profound.. let me know that too)

[adojrts]

So... my husband, who is a Marine, told me that he was approached by a civilian at his work today, yelling "Hey Devildog! It's good to see what you guys are trained to do out there!" My husband, was irritated, because when someone yells "devildog" after you, it's usually a "fellow", higher ranking Marine, who caught you f'ing up. DH didn't see the video and had no idea what the guy was talking about. By the way, the civilian went on and on pretty much cussing out my husband.
He went back to his shop and his SSgt told him about the whole story. Everyone was furious. Everyone hopes that he gets his rank taken, thrown in the brig and getting a less than honorable discharge.

So... even the discussion if this is "normal" behavior from the military is ridiculous. However, it only takes one to ruin the reputation of many and it is sad. I wish we could just take actions of one and judge him on what he did.

I am sorry that people will judge all the good men and women in the Marines because of the actions of one or two.
I hope that they know that the rational people don't hold them accountable.
It compares (somewhat lol) to someone condemning us here at Chaz for the words and the actions of Cato...............one bad apple doesn't ruin the apple tree, nor does it make all the good apples rotten either.

[bcmoffatt]

This is much better:
http://politicsoffthegrid.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/soldier-with-kitten.jpg

[Dekka]

Awwwww BCMoffat.. that is a touching pic.

[Lilavati]

This is much better:
http://politicsoffthegrid.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/soldier-with-kitten.jpg

I whole-heartedly agree. And much more accurate reprisentation of our men and women in uniform as well.

[adojrts]

This is much better:
http://politicsoffthegrid.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/soldier-with-kitten.jpg

agreed :hail:

[skittledoo]

...or if this is some strange version of English made up by MC to confuse people into thinking she is saying something profound.. let me know that too)

haha I think she's trying to confuse you. I thought about it as well trying to understand what she meant, but with no luck.

[Amstaffer]

Awwwww BCMoffat.. that is a touching pic.

And it show the true side of the vast majority of our troops.

[adojrts]

i have some friends that came home from there and to this day,,, they are not the same,,, it changed them,,,, what they saw and had to do i guess,,,, but still you never know what led up to this,,,, he may have been blew up 2 days before,,, i won't judge him till the whole truth comes out,,, it is inhumane and cruel but so is watching you best friend lose his life or even his limbs,,,



My Father fought for several years at a very young age in WWII on the front lines. That war changed him, I would have like to have known the man he would have been if he hadn't gone. He often said that 'you didn't make friends over there, because the next day that friend could be dead.' He suffered nightmares for over 60 YEARS until the day he died because of that war..........yes it changes them and often not of the best, but it also shouldn't give them or us an excuse to condone some behaviours.

[Dani]

I'm thinking (hoping) this video is a sick hoax. The puppy was very still and didn't look all that real. And the whimpering could have been added in. I'm certainly no expert when it comes to these things though, so if I'm wrong... well, we all know we live in a twisted world.

[skittledoo]

real or not... they should still be punished IMO

[Momof2Pups]

That's a gorgeous picture. I love it.

[RD]

My grandfather was changed drastically by war, but one thing that he always held dear to his heart were animals. There is no excuse to take such a callous view of the life of a defenseless, innocent creature. I have friends and relatives who have been, and some who still are, in Iraq. None of them would do such a thing despite the trauma they suffered. I would imagine those sick individuals would've done that whether they were in Iraq or fooling around off-campus somewhere in the USA.

personally i think our boys are fighting a war the politicians should be over there fighting I absolutely agree with you.

Skittledoo, much better. What a touching photo.

[Dakotah]

I love the pic of the soldier and the kitty.

I am still speechless bout that video. My dogs and Peanut got lots of lovins after i watched it.

And I agree with Ghost, that the soldiers are fighting a war that our politicans should be fighting.

[Momof2Pups]

I didn't notice this before, but, :hail:

Originally Posted by GHOST
personally i think our boys are fighting a war the politicians should be over there fighting

[Lilavati]

I'm thinking (hoping) this video is a sick hoax. The puppy was very still and didn't look all that real. And the whimpering could have been added in. I'm certainly no expert when it comes to these things though, so if I'm wrong... well, we all know we live in a twisted world.

I've only watched it once, and without sound (I don't have any on home computer). But I think the puppy is real, in the sense that its a real puppy, though perhaps not a live one. Its not stuffed: it appears to have too much mass, and too much elasticity in the ruff of its neck. I THINK I saw it move a bit, but I'm not going to go back and check, but the stillness could be a sign of terror, illness, or natural reflex.

My guess is, if its not a live puppy, then its one that was already dead, probably of disease or heat exhaustion. Which means they added in the sound, and delebrately staged something that looks like they are killng a puppy . . . THEN posted it on the internet. Which isn't as bad as killing a puppy, but is still sick, and very unbecoming of a Marine.

[Babyblue5290]

They showed part of this on the news today. It was a western washington person that did it, yay. From monroe over here. Apparently the family is saying that "he's a wonderful person who's done many wonderful things, but war changes people." Uh-huh.

Police are gaurding this marines family because their home address was posted all over the net. fun stuff.

[GHOST]

couldn't you see these politicians if the dropped them off in bagdad with a M-16,,,,lmao,,, they'd run for the first rock to crawl under,,,lol...

it really messes with they're minds.... but if he did it then he needs to be repramanded over it BUT i won't pass judgement because of the JOB he's doing,, overthere,,, back when i was younger and put in certain positions where i had to take care of business ,,, yea i felt bad about some of the things i done but i wasn't left any other option,,,and by no means am i a street thug,,, kindly where i got my sig from,,, i just did what i had to do...

[Dekka]

Ghost... We all agree they have to do, what they have to do. But I seriously doubt they were ordered to throw a puppy of a cliff, tape themselves having a great time doing it and post it on the internet. If they had to destroy the puppy, fine, ok, not a real issue with that if it was necessary. But I have relatives who have fought in wars, they were changed I am sure (didn't know them before) but I can't see any of them doing something like this.

[Renee750il]

I think, Ghost, that the outrage is because it WASN'T strictly business . . . if I understand correctly (and I am NOT going to watch the video), there is laughter and actions that have the appearance that this is something these individuals are regarding as fun *shudders*.

Combat does change people . . . but it also draws some people who already have a sick, sadistic turn because it holds out the promise of being able to act out without consequences.

I've known a lot of ex-soldiers, from different combat arenas, and it surely does change all of you, but not many of you act like what's been described from that video. :( There are all kinds of people out there . . . good, bad and indifferent.

I've got a cousin who is sick like that. He joined the Navy and they were glad to get him . . . but he was a sick SOB long before he ever joined the military. His earliest hero was Adolf Hitler . . .

[GHOST]

But You Know Renee

Ol Ghost's A Lover Not A Fighter Anymore,,,lmfao

They Studin Me Out

[zim]

Lol, puppys dont bounce very well. THUD! haha :lol-sign:

[MelissaCato]

I think, Ghost, that the outrage is because it WASN'T strictly business

I'm sorry, but I can't shut up. Renee tell me what IS strictly business in this war promoting a democracy that is a lie in it's self ? You wanna keep politics outta this thread for yo own reasons ...

Do you mean Renee business as in killing people only ? You need to explain this to me. Because Herschel is right in the other thread, it's over a million Iraqi's .. good ones, bad ones, children anything that breathes just like the Natives of this land and the Buffalo. We are killing off a culture of people just like the Native Americans. And all you have to say is stick to business concerning this war and video ? Paleaseee. That's about worse than the video it's self.

[Dekka]

LOL MC once again your post makes little sense. Do you secretly admire these men for tossing pups of a cliff? Cause just so you know... that is how you come across.

[puppydog]

Lol, puppys dont bounce very well. THUD! haha :lol-sign:

Mods, can you please delete this post and account. This is clearly another troll.

On this issue. Those bas-turds are going to get what is coming to them. The world has a funny way of turning. I will not watch the video. I could not stomach that.

MC, you are clearly proud of the Armed Forces. But your perception of life is severly skewed. Puck is proud of his service history, but I do not see him condoning or making excuses for what happened in that clip.

[MelissaCato]

Do you secretly admire these men for tossing pups of a cliff?

No Dekka, for the second time. I'm sure yall will try to liberally persuade the viewers .... but, I expected that. Nice try.

[Sunnierhawk0]

Lol, puppys dont bounce very well. THUD! haha :lol-sign:

:yikes:

What in the hell......


Sicko

[maxfox426]

Just an update regarding this story. This article link may have already been posted, but I'll be honest... I haven't gone through the entire thread to find out.

YouTube Puppy Video Leads To Death Threats
http://www.kirotv.com/news/15507456/detail.html

[Gempress]

I'm sorry, but I can't shut up. Renee tell me what IS strictly business in this war promoting a democracy that is a lie in it's self ? You wanna keep politics outta this thread for yo own reasons ...

Do you mean Renee business as in killing people only ? You need to explain this to me. Because Herschel is right in the other thread, it's over a million Iraqi's .. good ones, bad ones, children anything that breathes just like the Natives of this land and the Buffalo. We are killing off a culture of people just like the Native Americans. And all you have to say is stick to business concerning this war and video ? Paleaseee. That's about worse than the video it's self.

You completely misunderstood what Renee said. There were no political refrences in her post whatsoever. She meant that the Marines in the video were not acting "strictly business", as they would have been if they were attempting to humanely dispatch a suffering animal.

They were enjoying themselves, laughing, filming it, and thought it was amusing enough to post online. And that's just sick.

[MelissaCato]

They were enjoying themselves, laughing, filming it, and thought it was amusing enough to post online.

These are our American youths your refering to.... youths. Who are evolving in a War they don't even know why their there in the first place.

Just remember in your morbid thoughts, they die for your democracy neoliberalized socialist views on this thread.

I agree, we need to send the cancer to replace them. End this crap quick.

[MelissaCato]

I'll shut up now.

[Angel Chicken]

These are our American youths your refering to.... youths. Who are evolving in a War they don't even know why their there in the first place.

Just remember in your morbid thoughts, they die for your democracy neoliberalized socialist views on this thread.

I agree, we need to send the cancer to replace them. End this crap quick.

Dude, do you ever shut up? Seriosuly... do you?

Can it, MCato... no one cares about your BS.

*puts on colander*

[skittledoo]

I'll shut up now.


Good Idea

[Jules]

These are our American youths your refering to.... youths. Who are evolving in a War they don't even know why their there in the first place.

Just remember in your morbid thoughts, they die for your democracy neoliberalized socialist views on this thread.

I agree, we need to send the cancer to replace them. End this crap quick.

Your "American Youth" signed up to be in the military. They signed up to follow orders and not ask questions. I'm sorry, but that is mainly how it is. If you sign up to be in the military, you're in the wrong spot to pick and choose what political decision you agree with and you can "work" on.

These guys had fun killing a puppy. How can you defend that? You should be ashamed of fellow citizens like that, not put them in a cuddly blanket and rock them to sleep.

[MelissaCato]

They signed up to follow orders and not ask questions.

Exactly. Thanks for saying that. Have a good day.

[Jules]

Exactly. Thanks for saying that. Have a good day.

Jesus! When it comes to a mission! Throwing a puppy sadistically off a cliff does not contain to a m-i-s-s-i-o-n!!!!! I thought you should know that! I'm done with this thread.

[skittledoo]

Exactly. Thanks for saying that. Have a good day.

wait... what happened to you shutting up?

I'll shut up now.

[adojrts]

[QUOTE=MelissaCato;992817]These are our American youths your refering to.... youths. Who are evolving in a War they don't even know why their there in the first place.

QUOTE]

Oh B*ll***t!!! My Father enlisted when he was 16 for WWII, he served the free world and his country with HONOR!! He was on the frontlines, he saw the body of his dead older dead brother and he was there for YEARS. The war ended when he came home and he was only 21!! He served as a YOUTH and he killed as a YOUTH and he would never have done anything so dishonourable as what those soldiers did. So don't pass off what those guys did on their youth that BS.

It's people like you that excuse such behaviours that are the down fall of this world and then you try to add in politics into the mud of it.

Guess what you dumb ****, what those guys did has NOTHING to with politics.

[anna84]

^^^^^
Thank you. My grandfather was on the beaches of Normandy during D-Day and he used to help be trap spiders in glasses to be released outside. I have a good friend who's a Marine in Iraq right now and if he heard anyone excusing what these guys did or saying it might be a result of what their going through he'd throw a fit.

[Dekka]

Exactly. Thanks for saying that. Have a good day.

Did you know that "following orders" is not a defence in war crime trials? (Not saying this is that significant, but as an example)

I love how brain washed you are MC a great public example of people letting others do the thinking for you.

[Dekka]

No Dekka, for the second time. I'm sure yall will try to liberally persuade the viewers .... but, I expected that. Nice try.


What does that mean? (Umm and I am not a liberal and have never voted liberal in my life.. not sure what that has to do with people throwing puppies off cliffs for a lark.. but I just thought I would throw that out there for you since you seem to find it so important)

Who am I trying to persuade? You, no I am only wishing you would type in english so I could understand you. All I get from your posts is that you think that US soldiers should be doing horrid things to animals. I am pretty sure this is not what you are saying, so this is why I have been trying to under stand you. (I still have no idea what you mean by "survival isn't virutal" and you still haven't explained it too me.. Heck I even asked an english Proff)

[Laurelin]

My roommate's boyfriend is a soldier in the US army. He's been in Iraq for well over a year, just came back and just found out he is going to go back again right before his term is up. Not to mention the time he was in Afghanistan.

He is appalled by this. It has NOTHING to do with 'following orders' and it has nothing to do with the fact that these people are military. They did something sick and wrong (even if it is a dead puppy to begin with, they staged it to outrage people). This reflects negatively on ALL our troops. It is a horrible way to categorize them.

[adojrts]

My roommate's boyfriend is a soldier in the US army. He's been in Iraq for well over a year, just came back and just found out he is going to go back again right before his term is up. Not to mention the time he was in Afghanistan.

He is appalled by this. It has NOTHING to do with 'following orders' and it has nothing to do with the fact that these people are military. They did something sick and wrong (even if it is a dead puppy to begin with, they staged it to outrage people). This reflects negatively on ALL our troops. It is a horrible way to categorize them.

Agreed, I would be willing to bet that those soldiers will have to watch their backs at this point and it wouldn't surprise me if they were in protective custody. I would think they should be more worried about what their peers and fellow soldiers will do to them over the public at this point. I am sure there are countless numbers of soldiers out there that would like to have just a few seconds with them....alone.

[Lilavati]

Did you know that "following orders" is not a defence in war crime trials? (Not saying this is that significant, but as an example)

I love how brain washed you are MC a great public example of people letting others do the thinking for you.

Its not even a defense in most court-martials, if it was obvious that it was an invalid order. Which is utterly beside the point, because it seems pretty clear no one ordered those young men to pitch a puppy off a cliff, let alone enjoy doing it, tape it, and put it on the internet. So their obligation to follow orders is totally irrelevant, except to the extent they all have standing orders to follow the rules in the UCMJ . . . which, I suspect, have something to say about this situation, even if its only that one should not do things that seriously embarass the USA.

So I don't get your point, MC. These guys were, by all appearences, acting on their own volition. Unless, for some reason everything they do is justifiable by the sheer fact they are wearing a uniform and at war, which would mean those soldiers of ours who raped and murdered a 14 year old girl, murdered her family, and set her body on fire were also acting in a justifable manner, which is a conclusion that is so surreal that its simply beyond discussion.

[corgi_love]

Do you mean Renee business as in killing people only ? You need to explain this to me. Because Herschel is right in the other thread, it's over a million Iraqi's .. good ones, bad ones, children anything that breathes just like the Natives of this land and the Buffalo. We are killing off a culture of people just like the Native Americans. And all you have to say is stick to business concerning this war and video ? Paleaseee. That's about worse than the video it's self.
Not to justify either action..But how can you possibly compare to completely different things? And think you're making a point? Coming over and killing the Native American's and the buffalo(? lol. What of the bunnies and squirrels?) was done so new people could come and live on the 'new world' land. Signing up and being sent over to fight a war for whichever reason you think fits best, is something completely different.

In any event, I know a man who went to the war and saw his friends blown up, and had to pick up their remains. No, he was never the same- he got sent home. But if he had then decided to toss a puppy off a cliff, he should be held accountable for his actions. However, he did nothing of the sort, even though he was forever changed. I can't really imagine anything worse, so I'm not sure how you could possibly justify being so changed that you decided to throw a puppy off a cliff. That is like the type of things murderers do before they are actually murderers- torturing animals and the like.

These are our American youths your refering to.... youths. Who are evolving in a War they don't even know why their there in the first place.

How utterly stereotypical and close minded, and I'll throw in another, hard headed. I know young men, in their youths, who went and died for our country in the war. Are you honestly telling me they died without knowing what they even died for? Tell that to their families and get slapped in the face, if not worse. Have you forgotten that these men sign up, and are not drafted? I have no idea where you get your inside information. I'm super curious as to the youths you know who, while in some sort of confused stupor signed up for the war, got sent there, and came back still dazed and confused. Really.

*sigh*

[MOODYGIRL]

Something needs to be done about this.

[shazbot]

Exactly. Thanks for saying that. Have a good day.

Ummm...when I was in the Army I was trained to follow orders and question ones that I felt were morally wrong and illegal. You can believe that would've been something I would've questioned, throwing an innocent puppy off a cliff.

I know several Marines in the sand box who are up in arms over this crap. In fact most of my friends are military and can't even fathom something like this.

[smkie]

i don't think all military personel are anymore apt to do this then all of any other group. IT is a twisted human being that hurts a baby. SAd tho that the vietnam dogs were left in field. DIsposable things.:mad::(

[frank87]

peta kills hundreds of dogs every year and i dont see people crying about it......and the dog was going to die anyways

[Renee750il]

No, there's a great deal of uproar over PETA's involvement in the deaths of animals.

[Momof2Pups]

Uhh. Actually there are very few PETA supporters here, and plenty people rightly "cry about it" when they are responsible for unnecessary deaths of animals.

[darkchild16]

peta kills hundreds of dogs every year and i dont see people crying about it......and the dog was going to die anyways

Yet we don't support Peta or this soldier see a pattern here ;) And how do you know this poor puppy was going to die? You were not there (at least I would hope not)

[frank87]

Yet we don't support Peta or this soldier see a pattern here ;) And how do you know this poor puppy was going to die? You were not there (at least I would hope not)

this is what the soilder said......

I don't know why people are so pissed. It was a %#&!*% STRAY!!! Get the %#&!*% over it! You know how many people I see get blown away on a regular basis?!?! %#&!*% Man Not only the towle heads out here but my own friends!" Sorry you guys saw that, but it wasn't supposed to ever been shown. Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being "creative" that day and decided to throw the dog instead. If i could take it back, I would. Either way, I did the dog a favor. Sorry if you can't understand that.

[Stephanie7]

That is so disgusting. Although Im not surprised that soldiers would do this, Im so sad for the dog and for all the other animals that go through atrocities.
Someone said they cant believe that a U.S. soldier would do this. When some people go to war morality goes out the window. Not to offend anyone, but many of the people who usually want to become soldiers and go to war are militarized essentialist idiots. They want to shoot guns and be cool. Not all, but far too many. Many of our own soldiers rape local women wherever they happen to be occupying, and kill civilians for fun. I dont like the military. I dont like war. I dont like anyone who wants to go out and kill people or animals. I hope those two get what they deserve, more hopefully in Iraq or wherever they are. Someone like that deserves to get sent to war and not come back.

[Lilavati]

this is what the soilder said......

I don't know why people are so pissed. It was a %#&!*% STRAY!!! Get the %#&!*% over it! You know how many people I see get blown away on a regular basis?!?! %#&!*% Man Not only the towle heads out here but my own friends!" Sorry you guys saw that, but it wasn't supposed to ever been shown. Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being "creative" that day and decided to throw the dog instead. If i could take it back, I would. Either way, I did the dog a favor. Sorry if you can't understand that.


Can you show me where you got that info? I've been looking for updates on this case?

[Amstaffer]

peta kills hundreds of dogs every year and i dont see people crying about it......and the dog was going to die anyways

That is such lame and backward logic. So because some misguided organization led by a power tripping idiot, kills dogs then it should be ok for everyone world wide to torture and kill puppies.....Does logic mean anything to you?

The dog was going to die anyway...well we all die sooner or later, thus murder of all and anyone is ok...right? :rolleyes:

Its not the death it is the method. It was brutal and unnecessary and was used to provide entertainment for a representative of the USA.

Even if you hate dogs and lack any empathy, this is still a PR nightmare for the US military....why can't people see that. We are fighting a hot war with bullets but we are also involved in a war for hearts and minds.

[darkchild16]

this is what the soilder said......

I don't know why people are so pissed. It was a %#&!*% STRAY!!! Get the %#&!*% over it! You know how many people I see get blown away on a regular basis?!?! %#&!*% Man Not only the towle heads out here but my own friends!" Sorry you guys saw that, but it wasn't supposed to ever been shown. Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being "creative" that day and decided to throw the dog instead. If i could take it back, I would. Either way, I did the dog a favor. Sorry if you can't understand that.
Wherer is the proof?

As to what that says that shows a lack of immaturity. X is ok becuase I see/do/hear about Y on a daily basis. Along with the term towel head. I know many soldiers and Marines and most I know and that they know dont use that term they use the term IRAQIS so I know it is not prevelant. Along with the fact oh it wasnt suppossed to be shown shows that he knew it was wrong or would cause a uproar. Some people are just so brilliant. :rolleyes:

[Momof2Pups]

Originally Posted by frank87
this is what the soilder said......

I don't know why people are so pissed. It was a %#&!*% STRAY!!! Get the %#&!*% over it! You know how many people I see get blown away on a regular basis?!?! %#&!*% Man Not only the towle heads out here but my own friends!" Sorry you guys saw that, but it wasn't supposed to ever been shown. Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being "creative" that day and decided to throw the dog instead. If i could take it back, I would. Either way, I did the dog a favor. Sorry if you can't understand that.

Er, can you come up with some sort of link or proof of where you got that? You don't know the state of the puppy by watching that video. And even if the puppy WAS going to die, you think it's ok to kill it like that? So when I go in to volunteer at the shelter tomorrow, there are some ill or aggressive dogs that may be euthanized. So if I have that knowledge I can pick up one of those dogs and throw it as far as I can?
As for the term "towelhead," that's incredibly ignorant.

Troll?

[Jules]

That is so disgusting. Although Im not surprised that soldiers would do this, Im so sad for the dog and for all the other animals that go through atrocities.
Someone said they cant believe that a U.S. soldier would do this. When some people go to war morality goes out the window. Not to offend anyone, but many of the people who usually want to become soldiers and go to war are militarized essentialist idiots. They want to shoot guns and be cool. Not all, but far too many. Many of our own soldiers rape local women wherever they happen to be occupying, and kill civilians for fun. I dont like the military. I dont like war. I dont like anyone who wants to go out and kill people or animals. I hope those two get what they deserve, more hopefully in Iraq or wherever they are. Someone like that deserves to get sent to war and not come back.

Okay... why don't we go back to stereotyping just a little bit more, huh? If you really think that every service member just wants to "shoot guns and be cool", then I'd gladly invite you over here to have a little one on one chat with my husband. How rude and disrespectful! I am far from saying that all service members are heroes and good... but to go that far... :mad: Well... I'm not going around saying that I don't like Americans because all Americans are ignorant sh!tbags just because of people like you, do I? That would be exactly the same thing. Grow a brain before making statements like that. While every once of me wishes that that guy gets what he deserves- as every other service member who draws negative attention to his branch of service- wishing that he dies through combat is horrible.. because you know that he has a family, too. Ugh. I am sorry I am getting so emotional about idiotic comments like this... but I am so done with comments like this, which, yes I get thrown in my face... when all I do is supporting my husband- who has excellent morals and sacrifices so much for what he does. Do I like war? No. Does my husband like war? NO. Get in your brain that he is doing his job. Nothing more and nothing less. So think twice before you throw all service members in one bag just because of the dipsh!ts you hear about on the news.

this is what the soilder said......

I don't know why people are so pissed. It was a %#&!*% STRAY!!! Get the %#&!*% over it! You know how many people I see get blown away on a regular basis?!?! %#&!*% Man Not only the towle heads out here but my own friends!" Sorry you guys saw that, but it wasn't supposed to ever been shown. Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being "creative" that day and decided to throw the dog instead. If i could take it back, I would. Either way, I did the dog a favor. Sorry if you can't understand that.

I highly doubt that this is an official statement from the Marine (! BTW). If they tracked him down...which they would have since he's giving statements... I can guarantee you that his CO has his @ss shredded right now. The last thing he would do, or the MC would let him do, is to give dumb@ss statements like that. Towel heads? :mad: Frank, why don't you just go ahead and post some more pictures of dogs on steroids... because that is the most constructive things I have seen you do on this board. I guess that says a lot *shrug*

[sparks19]

Apparently he posted that "statement" on his myspace and then made his myspace private because of all the hate mail.

and Jules... I agree with you 100%

People that say stupid sh!t like that are spreading more hatred than the people they are claiming don't care about anyone and just want to kill people.

[frank87]

thanks to war we are able to be here sitting on our asses and talking about dogs..thanks to war all the antiwar hippies have freedom of speach
here is the link to his myspace and thats what he wrote


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...id=348 896236

"The Sergeant Major called me in today and it looks like they found out about the dog thing. I don't know who it was who put it on %#&!*% youtube, but man they are not happy... They were even talking about court martialing me, but they better not. It wouldn't be fair because they didn't court martial the last guy they caught %#&!*% with a dog.

%#&!*%, atleast i was humane about it. That guy from motor transport shot a dog in the stomach in front of the Major and everyone thought it was funny. I %#&!*% up and it gets on TV and all of a sudden it's wrong. This is some BS. POS media, always sticking its nose where it doesn't belong.

want to say first of all that I am really sorry for the whole puppy thing. I don't know why people are so pissed. It was a %#&!*% STRAY!!! Get the %#&!*% over it! You know how many people I see get blown away on a regular basis?!?! %#&!*% Man Not only the towle heads out here but my own friends!" Sorry you guys saw that, but it wasn't supposed to ever been shown. Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being "creative" that day and decided to throw the dog instead. If i could take it back, I would. Either way, I did the dog a favor. Sorry if you can't understand that."
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Response below written by a friend of David Motari's who served with him:
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"The dog, along with other dogs, was killed because it could have given away their position to the enemy. It was also likely disease-ridden, maybe had rabies. You guy s don't know , you weren't there , you have no right to second guess what he did. We should just be grateful that we have young men like him who are willing to risk their young lives to protect our great nation and our freedoms. You sit on your asses living in comfort and whine and criticize those who are in harm's way.It stops right now. I just wish I could shake this young man's hand and say "thank you for your service and sacrifice." He's served in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan ... what have YOU done?"

[jess2416]

:rolleyes:

[Stephanie7]

I believe I actually said "many", not "all". And I do have a brain, a pretty good one, too.

Obviously there are some good people in the military, but there are also many who are not. And unfortunately it is true that as a country we need to change certain things about our ideology of "might is right", thats all Im saying, and thats why I do not like the military- to me its an agent of violence, and I don't like violence. I also do not subscribe to the idea that all people are basically good. There's way too much sadness in the world.
As for your husband, well if he is one of the few moral people
then I commend him, and Im sorry if I offended you or him.

It was not people like him I was speaking about, but people like those in the video.

Also, yes I do believe something bad should happen to people like that, BECAUSE I believe that all life is deserving of respect, and that my friend, was far from it.


If you want to talk to someone without a brain try the person a few posts up talking about anti-war hippies. Apparently he's glad we go to war because it keeps the U.S. "free". Hmm, interesting.

[frank87]

If you want to talk to someone without a brain try the person a few posts up talking about anti-war hippies. Apparently he's glad we go to war because it keeps the U.S. "free". Hmm, interesting.

lol.....guess what soon the u.s will go to war with iran, russia, north korian, and maybe china......what do you think the u.s should do? let them walk all over us?

[shadowfacedanes]

Obviously there are some good people in the military, but there are also many who are not.

I stopped stereotyping years ago when I realized I hurt peoples feelings by lumping them all together.

My friend just came home from Iraq yesterday. He's not even old enough to legally drink, but he's already put himself in danger for his country, even the selfish ungrateful rude stereotyping asshats that don't appreciate him and make absurd generalizations about him and his fellow soldiers. I'm sure it would break his heart to hear that people think that soldiers join the military because they are "militarized essentialist idiots" and want to be cool. :rolleyes:

[FrenchKissed]

I stopped stereotyping years ago when I realized I hurt peoples feelings by lumping them all together.

My friend just came home from Iraq yesterday. He's not even old enough to legally drink, but he's already put himself in danger for his country, even the selfish ungrateful rude stereotyping asshats that don't appreciate him and make absurd generalizations about him and his fellow soldiers. I'm sure it would break his heart to hear that people think that soldiers join the military because they are "militarized essentialist idiots" and want to be cool. :rolleyes:



Well said!!!

[Stephanie7]

I never said all soldiers do that. Many do, and thats a fact, and its because of a number of factors that I dont want to go into right now. It ranges from pop culture to collective memories of certain parts of the U.S., all the way back to the Vietnam war. The psychology behind this stuff is not easy to just lay out.

I don't claim to know all the motives of the U.S. government, but if anyone believes we are going into Iraq, or any other country solely to spread goodwill or liberate, than that person is sorely mistaken, unfortunately. We do things for a combination of reasons, for money, to secure our place as world power (the thought of anyone else rising to our status terrifies the U.S.), and other things, sometimes goodwill. But its Always very intermingled in politics and various interest groups. Usually these interest groups hold large sums of money, which is why they have sway. The Bush administration has demonstrated this too well.

If anyone believes that going to war in all these countries is the answer, they've got a very narrow mind, because it is SO dangerous for us to be playing like this in this part of the world.
This region has been wrought with conflict for SO long, both between themselves and neighboring countries and various ideological groups and local factions, etc. There is no centralized government in some of these places, like Afghanistan, and so its largely a sort of anarchy, or works on a level of local groups that try to gain a monopoly on violence (which is a basis for creating a state, even ours). For us to just come in and try to create a democracy is very shortsighted and plain stupid.

Frank87, what exactly is "walking all over us"? The U.S. makes too many presumptions of its status and that of other countries. As much as a country may be "walking all over us" we have done it many time over in the past to others. Yes, politics is messy, and it will continue to be messy, unfortunately. Yes, we should protect ourselves, but there are many ways to do it diplomatically. The world is watching us. Do you know how incredibly bad it was for the U.S. to completely disregard the UN when it told us we could not go ahead with the whole Middle East business?? We pushed the only organization that the world has to maintain some level of morality and peace to the side and said "We're in charge". The implications of that are terrible.

Listen, Im not trying to create enemies here. Im just saying what you see on the news is not even a fraction of the truth of whats going on. Im also saying some people in the military are bad (remember friends, some are good, too) and its not just because they happen to be like that on an individual level; our military institutions can create them.

Now we're all part of this dog forum so we all probably like dogs, and we probably came here to discuss something or other about dogs, or maybe remember our dogs who have passed, etc etc. So lets remember that part that unifies us here, and not get personal.

[shadowfacedanes]

I really don't care to discuss the whys vs. the why nots of war. My point was (is) that you made a really broadsweeping claim about our soldiers that I found offensive and quite rude, considering my family is a military family and a huge majority of my friends are serving/have served. These are people I care about and to hear someone label them as "militarized essentialist idiots" really pissed me off. Especially when I have the sense you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[sparks19]

Also, yes I do believe something bad should happen to people like that, BECAUSE I believe that all life is deserving of respect, and that my friend, was far from it.

How can you say THIS right after saying this....

I hope those two get what they deserve, more hopefully in Iraq or wherever they are. Someone like that deserves to get sent to war and not come back.

YOu obviously think all live is deserving of respect until they do something you dont like and then they aren't deserving anymore. Very contradictory. Either you think all life is deserving of respect or you don't. can't have it both ways.

[adojrts]

I never said all soldiers do that. Many do, and thats a fact, and its because of a number of factors that I dont want to go into right now. It ranges from pop culture to collective memories of certain parts of the U.S., all the way back to the Vietnam war. The psychology behind this stuff is not easy to just lay out.

I don't claim to know all the motives of the U.S. government, but if anyone believes we are going into Iraq, or any other country solely to spread goodwill or liberate, than that person is sorely mistaken, unfortunately. We do things for a combination of reasons, for money, to secure our place as world power (the thought of anyone else rising to our status terrifies the U.S.), and other things, sometimes goodwill. But its Always very intermingled in politics and various interest groups. Usually these interest groups hold large sums of money, which is why they have sway. The Bush administration has demonstrated this too well.

If anyone believes that going to war in all these countries is the answer, they've got a very narrow mind, because it is SO dangerous for us to be playing like this in this part of the world.
This region has been wrought with conflict for SO long, both between themselves and neighboring countries and various ideological groups and local factions, etc. There is no centralized government in some of these places, like Afghanistan, and so its largely a sort of anarchy, or works on a level of local groups that try to gain a monopoly on violence (which is a basis for creating a state, even ours). For us to just come in and try to create a democracy is very shortsighted and plain stupid.

Frank87, what exactly is "walking all over us"? The U.S. makes too many presumptions of its status and that of other countries. As much as a country may be "walking all over us" we have done it many time over in the past to others. Yes, politics is messy, and it will continue to be messy, unfortunately. Yes, we should protect ourselves, but there are many ways to do it diplomatically. The world is watching us. Do you know how incredibly bad it was for the U.S. to completely disregard the UN when it told us we could not go ahead with the whole Middle East business?? We pushed the only organization that the world has to maintain some level of morality and peace to the side and said "We're in charge". The implications of that are terrible.

Listen, Im not trying to create enemies here. Im just saying what you see on the news is not even a fraction of the truth of whats going on. Im also saying some people in the military are bad (remember friends, some are good, too) and its not just because they happen to be like that on an individual level; .

Now we're all part of this dog forum so we all probably like dogs, and we probably came here to discuss something or other about dogs, or maybe remember our dogs who have passed, etc etc. So lets remember that part that unifies us here, and not get personal.

MOST people when they sign up for the military are willing to put their lives on the line to propect their country and the free world. They don't enlist due to politics or enlist in the hopes that the next gov in power will send them to war. They are just doing their job, they can't call in sick and they can't say no. If the powers to be were really looking to 'our military institutions can create them' a good place to recruit would be the prison system in any country.
I am personally thankful of the military that protects our rights. I love living in a free country, where the food is readily available, where I can enjoy having animals, where I can freely move about, where I can voice my opinion without fear and where as a woman I can own property!!! Oh yeah and where I can chat about something like dogs on the internet........

[Stephanie7]

I believe all life deserves respect, yes. I believe that people who do things like the two who threw the dog don't, no. So I can make those two statements. In my opinion, human beings do not deserve respect when they commit atrocities. Is that fair enough?

And I do know what Im talking about, I've studied it for awhile and I could tell you things about our beloved government and military you wouldn't believe. I respect most of the men and women who fight for our country, but you have to keep in mind that not all of them do it for noble reasons. Thats all Im saying.

[sparks19]

I believe all life deserves respect, yes. I believe that people who do things like the two who threw the dog don't, no. So I can make those two statements. In my opinion, human beings do not deserve respect when they commit atrocities. Is that fair enough?

And I do know what Im talking about, I've studied it for awhile and I could tell you things about our beloved government and military you wouldn't believe. I respect most of the men and women who fight for our country, but you have to keep in mind that not all of them do it for noble reasons. Thats all Im saying.

HAHAHAHA you know what you are talking about becuase you have studied it... so you know more than the people who have LIVED it?

I really resent the statements you make because of things you read in a book.

My husband has been deployed three times in the past. he is the most loving and caring man I have ever known. He see's the world with his own eyes and lives it... not reads it in some book or sees it on TV.

How can you say you respect them when you said that you do not support the military? Just as contradicting as your statement that ALLLLLLLLLLLLL life deserves respect yet people should DIE and leave their families bereft because YOU don't like something. Well I'll tell you WHAT... you don't like violence but I will be D@mned if you think I will accept that you believe my husband should be dead because he had to kill another. Would you really deny my beautiful daughter her wonderful loving father and me a wonderful husband just becuase YOu don't like violence?

KILL Or BE killed. If you haven't been in the position then I don't care what you read in books.... you cannot say what soldiers should and shouldn't die for.

I do not agree with what this guy did in anyway shape or form... but I believe he will see justice... not that he should be blown up.

[adojrts]

Stephanie7
I believe that only a fool would be believe that there are not rotten apples in the basket, whether it be in policing, goverment, in the military or even in education etc. And I would like to believe that they are the minority instead of the majority.

[sparks19]

Stephanie7
I believe that only a fool would be believe that there are not rotten apples in the basket, whether it be in policing, goverment, in the military or even in education etc. And I would like to believe that they are the minority instead of the majority.

Agreed.

[SharkBait]

Why Why Why did i watch that? urgh...
times like these make me think i should see a shrink to control my urges to savagely kill ********* like these jerks!!
(in the video... noone else... lol)

New question... i feel tension here....

How far would you support this claim...

'Fighting for Peace is like f**king for virginity?'

(not my quote... i'm just interested in peoples' opinion of war and such)

[Amstaffer]

New question... i feel tension here....

How far would you support this claim...

'Fighting for Peace is like f**king for virginity?'

(not my quote... i'm just interested in peoples' opinion of war and such)

I don't think much of that quote..."witty" play on words but it is one born out of ignorance of history.

Peace often needs to be forced upon people. Sitting in a college coffee shop some place, it is easy to come up with these quotes (Not saying you did, it is just where I have usually heard them) but thats not how the real world is.

That quote forgets the absolute evil in some men's hearts. That evil some times has to be stop with the violence of war. See ... Hitler, Pol Pot, the Hutus of Rwanda etc.....

With that in mind Iraq war IMHO wrong...it wasn't our business.
Afghan war...righteous IMHO, that evil was ours to stop!

[hanslynch]

It is incredible who those ignorant comments like what the soldier made do more harm to the war effort than anyone might imagine. It is disgusting that the video was made but what was more disgusting was his reaction to it.

Any comments that are broad and deragatory towards the iraqi people do an incredible amount of damage to our efforts their and play right into our enemies hands as they continue to try to turn this into a war of the US and islam. Which it is not.

[Lilavati]

It is incredible who those ignorant comments like what the soldier made do more harm to the war effort than anyone might imagine. It is disgusting that the video was made but what was more disgusting was his reaction to it.

Any comments that are broad and deragatory towards the iraqi people do an incredible amount of damage to our efforts their and play right into our enemies hands as they continue to try to turn this into a war of the US and islam. Which it is not.

I fail to see how this has a dang thing to do with the Iraqi people. Whatever their view on dogs, THEY are not the ones on tape throwing a puppy off the cliff. Those happen to be our soliders, who are occupying Iraqi. It does do damage to our already battered image in the world, but turning it into a war between the US and Islam? Not an issue in this case.

[LauraLeigh]

I fail to see how this has a dang thing to do with the Iraqi people. Whatever their view on dogs, THEY are not the ones on tape throwing a puppy off the cliff. Those happen to be our soliders, who are occupying Iraqi. It does do damage to our already battered image in the world, but turning it into a war between the US and Islam? Not an issue in this case.

I think she is talking not so much about the incident but the soldiers comments in response to it and how his words affect things... as quoted from an earlier thread.....

Man Not only the towle heads out here

Not sure though...

[Paige]

This remids me of something my eldest brother (on my mom's side) would do and he is in the military. ACTUALLY, he's serving as we speak.

[PixieSticksandTricks]

You know whats sad. Im sure if anyone in this thread has said it but those who commented on the video has. They all say its a rabbit.....As if if it were a rabbit it would some how be less sickening and cruel. Because we all know rabbits have no feelings. Kind of like "As long as its not a puppy then I don't care if they throw a living animal into a ravine".......

[Lilavati]

You know whats sad. Im sure if anyone in this thread has said it but those who commented on the video has. They all say its a rabbit.....As if if it were a rabbit it would some how be less sickening and cruel. Because we all know rabbits have no feelings. Kind of like "As long as its not a puppy then I don't care if they throw a living animal into a ravine".......

A rabbit? That sure as heck doesn't look like a rabbit to me. Where are they saying its a rabbit?

[PixieSticksandTricks]

A rabbit? That sure as heck doesn't look like a rabbit to me. Where are they saying its a rabbit?

It was in the user comments on the site with the video. About a month ago i think it when I originally looked at the video. And people kept on claiming it was a rabbit because of his feet. I havent looked at the video since though so the comments im sure have moved.

But I agree the pup looks nothing like a rabbit.

[hanslynch]

When I mentioned in my earlier post that it does us no good, I was speaking directly to the deragatory comments made about the Iragi people, calling them "towel heads". If a reporter or news network decided to get a hold of that particular comment and make a big deal out of it, it does have a major impact on the perspectives of the Iraqi people.

Our enemies would use this to their advantage to continue to portray this conflict as a war against the people of Iraq. Sorry if I was not clear.