Pitbulls in the news

[GoldenOwner]

I can't get over the fact that people are still trying to use dogs, which were created to be deadly weapons, as family pets. Would you let your kids play with a loaded gun? Then, why in the world would you get a Pitbull?

Have a look at a recent Google news search of the word "Pitbull"

Pitbull shot to death after attacking Toronto boy
http://www.640toronto.com/news/metro.cfm?cat=7428109912&rem=12188&red=80110923aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=metro.cfm

Pitbull attacks toddler in Jacksonville
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=15029

Albany woman attacked by pitbull
http://www.capitalnews9.com/content/your_news/capital_region/default.asp?ArID=133325

Pitbull Mauls Carmichael Boy
http://fox40.trb.com/news/ktxl-060205dog,0,3535994.story?coll=ktxl-news-1

Family wants Pitbull put down after attack
http://khon.com/khon/display.cfm?storyID=5181

Pitbull to be destroyed after attacking child
http://www.khnl.com/Global/story.asp?S=3521307


It goes on and on... you get the idea.

[gaddylovesdogs]

Ugh, ugh, UGH!! Pitbulls are NOT vicious beasts, their goal in life is not to kill people, it is to kiss to people to death.
I am sick of people saying pits are vicious man-eating beasts when they don't even know anything about the breed. :mad:

[Invisible]

I don't think this thread is going to end well

[gaddylovesdogs]

I don't think this thread is going to end well
I doubt it will - most people here like pitbulls.

[Invisible]

I doubt it will - most people here like pitbulls.

I know and I like pits to.

[gaddylovesdogs]

It angers me so much how people just assume things about these wonderful dogs. I have met pitbulls. Tell me what is vicious about a big, sloppy wet tongue licking your chin?

[Invisible]

It angers me so much how people just assume things about these wonderful dogs. I have met pitbulls. Tell me what is vicious about a big, sloppy wet tongue licking your chin?

I totally understand, but I doubt getting angry at a person like this will help. I bet the only reason he/she put this here is to stir up trouble.

[GoldenOwner]

I am sick of people saying pits are vicious man-eating beasts when they don't even know anything about the breed

You could ask 3-year-old Cody Yelton, whose left arm was amputated at the shoulder, because of a vicious pitbull attack. He probably knows something about the breed.
http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/4629937/detail.html?subid=22100424&qs=1;bp=t

[Invisible]

You could ask 3-year-old Cody Yelton, whose left arm was amputated at the shoulder, because of a vicious pitbull attack. He probably knows something about the breed.
http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/4629937/detail.html?subid=22100424&qs=1;bp=t

A 3 yr old wouldn't know much past potty training

[gaddylovesdogs]

GoldenOwner -

Pitbulls are often put into the wrong hands - often young teenagers wishing to use them for fighting. These dogs are most likely from bad lines (parents did not have good temperaments, ETC.). These irresponsible owners and breeders care nothing about the dogs - and often do not train the dog whatsoever. Some of these dogs are allowed to run loose.

Any dog can be aggressive and attack someone. They all have teeth, they're all possible of attacking someone. Did you know that Chihuahuas are actually the breed that bite most? The only reason THEY don't get in the news is because they weigh six pounds!

Invisible -

I've heard what GoldenOwner is saying one too many times, unfortunately.

[Renee750il]

Use a little common sense. Pits were never bred to be human aggressive. They were bred for generation after generation to achieve dogs with very pronounced inhibitions against biting humans. Human handlers had to be able to wade into a fighting pit to separate the dogs - if the dogs were to savage the handlers they were useless and were destroyed and not bred.

Look around Chazhound a bit. You'll find this is a very pro-Pitbull community. You'll also read some very enlightening posts.

Do you really believe EVERYTHING you see in the media?

[gaddylovesdogs]

Pits were not bred to be human-aggressive, however they were bred to act aggressively towards other animals, therefore they should never be left unsupervised around other animals. It's the irresponsible breeders and owners that breed and own human-aggressive dogs.

And believe it or not, in many scenarios, humans are at fault. They may have even taunted the dog. I'm not saying that that is how it is in all dog attacks, but there are many dog attacks due ot human fault.

[3furkids]

Of the 385 records in the study, 278 (72.2%) specified the breed of the dog. There were 50 types of purebreds and 33 types of cross-breeds identified. The most common breeds were German Shepherds (40), Cocker Spaniels (16), Rottweilers (16) and Golden Retrievers (15). Of the 283 cases in which the sex of the dog was known, 72.7% were male. Forty-three dogs (11.2%) had received obedience training and nine (2.3%) had been trained as guard or attack dogs. Most dogs (71.6%) had not previously bitten a person (of the 267 dogs for which this information was available

Here is the website From the Canadian Governemnt (http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/chirpp-schirpt/11jul97/iss11d_e.html)

Sorry GoldenOwner, there is a Golden in the list.

Another link from CBC news;

Aggressive breeds (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/07/10/earlyshow/contributors/debbyeturner/main514774.shtml)

[gaddylovesdogs]

And GoldenOwner, look in my signature. That is my wonderful young nephew. He happens to live with a chow chow mix AND a pitbull mix - two breeds which many people view as vicious - and he has never, ever been attacked by a dog. His parents own nine dogs in total, and he knows to respect the dogs and the dogs know to respect him.

[gaddylovesdogs]

Sorry GoldenOwner, there is a Golden in the list.
Just to add....
Labs and Goldens are on the top ten list of biters in Massachussetts (sp?).

[3furkids]

I bet the only reason he/she put this here is to stir up trouble.

Yup, I agree!

[GoldenOwner]

Did you know that Chihuahuas are actually the breed that bite most? The only reason THEY don't get in the news is because they weigh six pounds!

Good point, they don't inflict real damage; therefore, they aren't a concern.

Let's look at which breed *does* inflict real damage.

According to the centers for disease control, Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of ALL dog bites which resulted in death.
ftp://ftp.cdc.gov/pub/Publications/mmwr/wk/mm4621.pdf

Pitbulls were bred to attack, and kill. Period. To own one and allow it to interact with third persons is borderline ciminal.

[Renee750il]

This has all been covered before in several other threads. If GO wants to learn there's plenty of information to start with in those threads. If GO only wants to dig at all of the people here who live with and love their Pits, then there's no place for that. Intelligent discussion is one thing, a desire to just stir the pot is another.

There ARE occasions where a Pitbull or some variety of Pit-looking dog is involved in a tragic mauling. There are cases of Labs, Shepherds, Dobermans, Spaniels, all sorts of other breeds and crosses . . . and yes, GOLDENS, involved in severe biting incidents as well. All too often anything that involves a serious bite is attributed to a "Pit dog" whether the dog bears any resemblance to a Pit or not. The media rarely checks their facts, and most 'eyewitnesses' are hysterical and completely undependable. Eyewitness acounts are absolutely the worst form of evidence there is.

Personally, the only dog that's ever bitten me was a little bathmat dog.

A dog mauling is a tragedy, no denying, but equating a Pitbull with a loaded gun is ludicrous.

[3furkids]

So how did my neighbor own 2 for over 14 years and they never once attacked or killed anything?? They interacted with kids and other dogs?? Explain that one if they were bred to kill???

[beagle_lovergirl]

I can't believe what you're saying! Pitbulls are sweet, loving dogs who are no more agressive than a Golden Retriver or a Beagle even! You might want to take a look at this

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=525

[gaddylovesdogs]

Just another little bit of information...there was a dog attack case where the shelter that was to take in the dog was told the dog was a pitbull. When the shelter received the dog, they confirmed it was a samoyed - a completely different breed than the pit. Don't always trust the media.

[GoldenOwner]

Originally Posted by 3furkids
Sorry GoldenOwner, there is a Golden in the list.


Just to add....
Labs and Goldens are on the top ten list of biters in Massachussetts (sp?).

Yes, and did you know that when ice cream sales are the highest, the rate of drownings is also at its peak? Obviously ice cream cause people to drown.

Labs and Goldens are some of the most popular dogs, naturally there will be a *correlation* between those breeds and bites. When you factor in breed populations however, you'll see that on a per-dog basis, Pitbulls and Rottweilers are profoundly more dangerous than any other breed.

[gaddylovesdogs]

If you want to continue to fill your head with garbage, feel free. If you want to be close-minded, fine, be that way, but I prefer to be open-minded.

[GoldenOwner]

If you want to continue to fill your head with garbage, feel free. If you want to be close-minded, fine, be that way, but I prefer to be open-minded.

How is looking at basic statistics "closed-minded"? How is reading Centers for Disease Control's per-reviewed Morbidity and Mortality Report, filling my mind with "garbage".
I'm simply stating undisputed facts. If you care to believe in the fantasy of peaceful and safe pitbulls, that's your choice. I hope you have a boat-load of insurance.

[Babyblue5290]

How is looking at basic statistics "closed-minded"? How is reading Centers for Disease Control's per-reviewed Morbidity and Mortality Report, filling my mind with "garbage".
I'm simply stating undisputed facts. If you care to believe in the fantasy of peaceful and safe pitbulls, that's your choice. I hope you have a boat-load of insurance.

I guess some people are ignorant and hopeles

[gaddylovesdogs]

Just to let you know - I don't even have one of these wonderful dogs - but I sure as heck will have one in the future.

[gaddylovesdogs]

I guess some people are ignorant and hopeles
It's sad how many are.

[Rose's Gal]

Labs and Goldens are some of the most popular dogs, naturally there will be a *correlation* between those breeds and bites.
Umm....have you seen how popular Pitties and Rotties are? They are almost as popular as Labs. The one difference is bad owners are more likely going to own a Rottie or a Pittie than a Lab or a Golden, thus, making the dogs aggresive.
And have you seen how much he!! a PitBull goes through?
Hmmm...let's see...here is a pic that might shake your mind:
http://www.furryfriendsfoundation.com/Adoption/Dogs/pictures/libertyHurt-sm.JPG
If you looked like that, I'm sure you'd bite a couple of people too. Oh, but wait a minute....she isn't biting people. She is loving them to death. Real big shocker huh? (This lovely gal is avalible for adoption in IL. [Don't worry, she looks TONS better now and is ready for adoption] Here is a link to her:Liberty (http://www.furryfriendsfoundation.com/Adoption/Dogs/liberty.htm) )
And hey Golden...maybe you should give this link a try:
Caution: PG-13 content. The Truth About PitBulls. (http://gprime.net/flash.php/thepitbullproblem)
If that doesn't open your mind, nothing will. And maybe the first part of that video might just show you the kind of he!! those dogs do go through.

I don't like it when people start critizizing Pit Bulls, but what I hate even more is when they refuse to listen to what other people are saying, and refuse to except that there are good Pitties out there.

Some other links you should check out:
www.badrap.org
www.furryfriendsfoundation.com
www.dogfancy.com (go to the breed profiles and click on American Pit Bull Terrier)

[gaddylovesdogs]

Andrea (Rose's Gal) gave you a lot of good info. There are so many abused pits out there...how would you feel if you had your head busted open and then were thrown into a dumpster and left to die? Yep, this has happened.

[Rose's Gal]

How is looking at basic statistics "closed-minded"? How is reading Centers for Disease Control's per-reviewed Morbidity and Mortality Report, filling my mind with "garbage".
I'm simply stating undisputed facts. If you care to believe in the fantasy of peaceful and safe pitbulls, that's your choice. I hope you have a boat-load of insurance.
You make me sick. And yes, just looking at "basic statistics" is close minded because you aren't listening to people who have had first hand experience with these dogs.

How many PitBulls have you met? Huh? I've met one, and do you know what it did to me and my 5 year old sister, my mom, and my 1 1/2 year old cousin? It licked us to death. OMG, call the cops! That PitBull is licking us! :rolleyes: Ya, really mean dog there.

Golden, it is people like you that make me sad. You don't know what you are missing out on. You refuse to listen to anybody, and so these wonderful dogs suffer the price from you, and from the rest of the ignorant world. I actually pity you. You don't know what you are missing.

[GoldenOwner]

Umm....have you seen how popular Pitties and Rotties are? They are almost as popular as Labs.

According to the AKA, Labs are the #1 most popular breed.
Pitbulls are .... 68th, one place above the ever popular Portuguese Water Dog.
http://www.akc.org/reg/dogreg_stats.cfm

Next?

[GoldenOwner]

You don't know what you are missing.

Thankfully not one of my arms, since I don't own one of those beasts.

[Babyblue5290]

To bad I can't say what I reallly want to on this board!! After all we do have some younger kids here

[gaddylovesdogs]

Wow, I've never heard of the AKA. :)

[gaddylovesdogs]

I don't see why you think you can just come here and start bashing a breed when you know dirt about the breed you're bashing. :rolleyes:

[Rose's Gal]

According to the AKA, Labs are the #1 most popular breed.
Pitbulls are .... 68th, one place above the ever popular Portuguese Water Dog.
http://www.akc.org/reg/dogreg_stats.cfm

Next?
Um, don't you mean AKC? And a newsflash for you: Pitties are registered with the AKC as American Staffordshire Terriers. NOT American Pit Bull Terriers. Tell me how many dogs are registered with the UKC and the other PitBull registeries out there.
And one other thing. Everybody knows that it is harder to find a rare dog in shelters, right? Well, take a look at www.petfinder.com . See how many Pittes are in the shelters? See how many Labs are in the shelters?
Let's compare them....
PitBulls: 6681
Labradors: 12466
Goldens: 2466

Hmmm....and Golden Retrievers are supposed to be popular aren't they? Of course, this isn't intirely reliable, because dogs do get mis-indentified.

(Oh, and Golden, did you even look at the things I showed you?)

[Rose's Gal]

I don't see why you think you can just come here and start bashing a breed when you know dirt about the breed you're bashing. :rolleyes:
LOL know kidding Gaddy. If it is one thing I've learned, it is know your enemy. Apperently, this person didn't do a very good job. lol

[GoldenOwner]

Pitties are registered with the AKC as American Staffordshire Terriers. NOT American Pit Bull Terriers.

OK... "American Staffordshire Terriers" are listed at #65, below the ever popular Whippet. Your point?


take a look at www.petfinder.com . See how many Pittes are in the shelters? PitBulls: 6681


It would make sense that people would be desperate to get ride of their beast-hounds as soon as they realize how dangerous they are.

[gaddylovesdogs]

You are probably the most hard-headed, ignorant person I've met in my life. Did you even see that picture that Rose's Gal posted? Have you ever even met in a pitbull? You'd be surprised at how many are horribly beaten and abused.

[GoldenOwner]

http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/news/accidents_emergencies/dog_attack_232.jpg http://www.keyboardbiologist.net/knitblog/images/Equals.JPG http://www.sviguns.com/catalog99/tiki2_375_375.jpg

[Rose's Gal]

OK... "American Staffordshire Terriers" are listed at #65, below the ever popular Whippet. Your point?
My point? The AKC isn't the biggest registery of the Pitties. There are thousands more that are registered with the UKC and other registeries.

It would make sense that people would be desperate to get ride of their beast-hounds as soon as they realize how dangerous they are.
Then why do Labs have a higher rate than Pitties do? In my local shelter, you should see all of the Labradors that come through. Has a Pittie ever come through? Not that I know of.

[GoldenOwner]

I guess we'll agree to disagree.

Pitbull owners, please load up on your insurance and don't let them out of your sight.

The statistics are right there in plain daylight to see...

[beagle_lovergirl]

http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/news/accidents_emergencies/dog_attack_232.jpg http://www.keyboardbiologist.net/knitblog/images/Equals.JPG http://www.sviguns.com/catalog99/tiki2_375_375.jpg

Well then

Goldenowner=Ignorant!

Why won'tyou listen to what people have been telling you here! Pitbulls are NOT monsters and you don't want to accept that fact! Case closed!

[gaddylovesdogs]

How about this? See the injury on this pitbull's head? He was beaten (he has a huge bash to his head) and left to die in an Indian dumpster.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/gaddymep9/lookatthis.jpg
There's a high chance that he will become blind and deaf because of his injuries, it is suspected that he was used as bait in dog fights.

[GoldenOwner]

Wow, I've never heard of the AKA.

I have to admit, that did make me laugh. :-)

[3furkids]

Now I am actually starting to laugh. GoldenOwner is a little 'crazy'. I am sure just trying to drive us nuts. :rolleyes: The who pic of a snarling pit and a gun...PLEASE...corny!

[gaddylovesdogs]

http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/news/accidents_emergencies/dog_attack_232.jpg http://www.keyboardbiologist.net/knitblog/images/Equals.JPG http://www.sviguns.com/catalog99/tiki2_375_375.jpg
You are only proving that you have an ignorant mind, LMBO.

[Rose's Gal]

Maybe you should read this....

Now you're probably wondering, what's the point to my story? Nothing, just sharing my experience with a pitbull... one that I would give my life for, and wish we had never put so much trust into one person, to give up something so precious. I truly wish I still had her, and would have seen through the young couple. She by far, was the sweetest, most intelligent dog I ever met. She did not have one mean bone in her body, but if someone threatened her, or the ones she loved, of course she would defend them/herself. Any dog would... even a GR would defend their family if left threatened.

Pit bulls are based solely on their raising and breeding. Breeders today that find the joy in breeding these dogs for money, are finding that these dogs are more popular if they are big, muscled, with huge heads and fierce looking. They don't bother to test for temperment. I would have to say, the only time I would EVER agree with dog fighting, was when it was first introduced. The 'dogmen' of the early years would treat these dogs with respect as if it were their own family member. They never beat these dogs, nor did they starve them or neglect them. They properly conditioned them, and loved them in their homes. Today, people put too much emphasis on making the dog mean so it will attack. These dogs were bred to hunt bore and wild hogs. They would bring them down for butchers and hunters. It was a sport for some time, and was soon outlawed, as being seen 'cruel' and 'inhumane', which is when dog fighting soon came in to play.

These dogs were bred with sound temperment, to be sure there were no defects in their genes, and they were healthy. Why were they bred to friendly you ask? Because a dog handler had to have been able to pull their dog off of the other when told to do so, without being bitten. If the dog bit its handler, the dog was immediately shot. Yes it sounds cruel, but was for the best of the breed and the dog. Would you want to live with a dog that has already once bit you under circumstances that it's supposed to trust you? I surely wouldn't and that's why these dogs were raised in their homes while not fighting, to be wonderful family dogs. They were raised to guard their farms and homes, and left for as watchers for their children. We all know now though that NO dog should be left unattended with a child. No matter the breed, it is just unsafe. I wouldn't even leave my child alone with someone who may seem nice and caring, but unless they were a family member, I would not leave my child with them.

I am not for dog fighting.... I am truly highly against it, especially with the way the people today handle it. They are cruel, inhumane idiots that shouldn't own a dog of any sort. THESE people are the ones that are breeding these dogs to be "killing machines". If one dog is bred to a highly aggressive dog... more than likely the pups will pick up on this temperment, and thus ruins a whole generation and many many years of careful precise breeding to make a sound stable dog, and will now take many years to undo.

They were bred from a bull dog that needed to be diverse in combination with being a guard and catch dog for farmers. Bulldogs and Terriers were the cross, and they were much different then, than they are of todays bully breeds. They were tall, with a smaller head, quick and alert.

They were never bred as killing machines, and in fact were never first entirely bred to be dog fighters. They were once used on farms... to protect the farmer of unrully bulls. They were taught to control the livestock if they got out of hand. They only LEARNED to be aggressive towards dogs, they passed this LEARNED temperment onto their pups. People misunderstood this trait and turned it into something disasterous that the breed was never meant to be used for. These dogs have now LEARNED a different way to act, and passed this LEARNED temperment onto their pups, and is slowly tearing apart their true breed.

Sorry for so long, but it ticks me off when there are people who call these dogs "killing machines". I'm more afraid of a Fox Terrier down my street than I would be of a wandering pit bull.

One thing a pitty will never let go of is your heart! They only exhibit what they have learned is 'acceptable' to another human being. They don't understand why people judge them as killers.... the HUMAN they were owned by turned them into killers, and the dog should not be blamed for it!

This was posted by somebody off of another board. I thought it was a good post. I had to chop it short though, so you missed the best part.

[3furkids]

http://www.cyranos.ch/ogmaja1.jpg

Ohh...look at this mean Pit! :rolleyes:

[beagle_lovergirl]

And listen to this, from the link I gave you that I bet you didn't even read.

GREAT BIG MYTHS AND LIES:
Do not let these myths and lies about Pit Bulls affect your judgment:
Pit Bulls are mean and vicious:
No more vicious than GOLDEN RETRIEVERS or Beagles. In a recent study of 122 dog breeds by the American Temperament Testing Society, Pit Bulls received a passing rate of 83.9%, which is as good if not better than Beagles at 78.2% and GOLDEN RETRIEVERS at 83.2%.
Pit Bulls have locking jaws:
The fact is that no animal, domesticated or wild, has the capability to lock its jaws. If you compare the anatomy of APBT’s skull to that of any other breed, you will see no difference in the jaw structure. The difference is that Pit Bulls have tremendous jaw strength and determination, which allows them to hold onto an object even in mid-air.
A Pit Bull that is aggressive towards dogs will be aggressive towards people:
No. Aggression towards animals and aggression towards people are two very different things. This is a huge myth and has generated a host of damaging anti Pit Bull hysteria. It is normal to have a Pit Bull that is very friendly and affectionate towards people, but not 100% trustworthy around dogs. Like in any breed of dog, a properly raised, well socialized and responsibly owned Pit Bull should never show any signs of aggression towards people. Human aggression is not typical of the breed.

[gaddylovesdogs]

http://www.cyranos.ch/ogmaja1.jpg

Ohh...look at this mean Pit! :rolleyes:
Yup...ever wondered what breed that big dog from the "Little Rascals" is? The one that spent most of his time around many young children? A pitbull.

[Rose's Gal]

The statistics are right there in plain daylight to see...
Ya, and how come you are ignoring our side of the argument? How come you are ignoring our first hand experience? How come you are ignoring our statistics?
When I know I'm dealing with a truely ignorant person, is when they refuse to answer all of the opponets questions and/or points. I was just recentally in a debate with a memeber of another board, and every answer that I asked her, or she asked me, we presented our argument for our answer and why we thought so. That was one of the best debates I've ever been in. When you can't, or refuse, to answer a question, then that either proves that your side is wrong, or you are just ignorant.

[Rose's Gal]

Oh, and here is a little something....

FIND THE PITBULL
http://www.mnp13.com/FindThePitBull/FindThePitBull.aspx

Which one is the Pittie?

[Rose's Gal]

Well, I'm talking to thin air here, but if Pitties are so mean and vicious and unpridictable, how can they be judged in dog shows? Why would a Pittie be completely happy-go-lucky in a ring with other intact dogs with strange people coming up and touching them? Huh? How can a Pittie be a treasured member of a family if it is unpridictable?

[Renee750il]

I guess it's fairly obvious that GO either didn't bother to look around here and read any of the Pittie posts, or just enjoys stirring things up. If the latter is the case, I'm glad she is sticking with an easy, affable, amiable breed like the Golden that is very temperamentally forgiving of hysterics and histrionics and doesn't react strongly to their owner's animosities toward others.

Can you imagine someone like that handling a Fila . . . or a Dobie or a German Shepherd?

Either way, until GO proves otherwise, I'm chalking her comments up to fear, ignorance and their ill-gotten offspring, bigotry.

[bubbatd]

I just got in on this....I doubt if GO will even read this far. Yes, having had Goldens for over 40 years I love the breed , they are wonderful, loving family dogs and are known for this. But, I do not put down other breeds . I feel every Golden owner is a dog lover. Obviously GO does not love " dogs" ...he/she loves breeds. I would say it's a first dog and a young owner who wants to swat at a hornest nest . Every breed has it's ' problems' though bad breeding. Most of the people on this forum support pitts because they have rescued and loved. I'm sure we won't hear much more from GO.....as one, I'm ashamed of the post .

[Renee750il]

That's one that doesn't deserve to share the same Golden planet with you, Grammy. There's not a much more sweet or amiable breed than a Golden Retriever, but an owner with an attitude like that can turn even the nicest dog into a snarky mess. Thankfully, Goldens don't seem to let themselves be influenced much or too confused by their owners' defensiveness - they seem to prefer viewing the world through benevolent eyes.

[bubbatd]

Thanks Renee... I just can't see a loving golden living under the same roof with someone of that mind set !! It really upset me !!

[Renee750il]

It's a shame we don't breed humans for temperament . . . I think it was Thomas Jefferson who remarked that more effort was put into the breeding of stock than that of humans. :)

[bubbatd]

I'm beginning to think this was a trolly...... who else would put a golden against a pitt. Obviously we are above him mentality wise and we shall hear no more !!

[Babyblue5290]

It's a shame we don't breed humans for temperament . . . I think it was Thomas Jefferson who remarked that more effort was put into the breeding of stock than that of humans. :)

But if they breed for temperment in humans I prob. would have never been born :rolleyes: LOL

[Love4Pits]

EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I own three American Pitbull Terriers all rescues all SWEETHEARTS!!!!!!!!! And YES I alow my neices and nephews to play and SLEEP with my pitbulls!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you kidding me??????!!!!!!!!!!!
Wanna hear some stories??????
Zeus my male neutered blue and white pitbull. Was born in a fighting facility broken up flea ridden he was raised in a shelter adopted out. He had two other homes before he was returned to the shelter 1 year old abused and battered. I adopted him and he is now my bestfriend and confident!!!!!! He sleeps with all children who come to my home he always plays and cuddles with them!!!!!!
Tundra was abandoned as a puppy and put in a shelter I adopted her!!!!!!!! She is now the mellowest dog on my ranch spends most of her day lounging in the sun. When not doing that she is snuggling up to me or anouther animal or person!!!!!!!
Babe my 10 month old female pitbull!!!!!!! She was running loose in a Suburb town my sister lives in my sister took her in and then brought her to me. She is the sweetest and most well behaved dog ever!

BITE ME!

[Love4Pits]

Good point, they don't inflict real damage; therefore, they aren't a concern.

Let's look at which breed *does* inflict real damage.

According to the centers for disease control, Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of ALL dog bites which resulted in death.
ftp://ftp.cdc.gov/pub/Publications/mmwr/wk/mm4621.pdf

Pitbulls were bred to attack, and kill. Period. To own one and allow it to interact with third persons is borderline ciminal.
Yes im a criminal!!!!!!! BTW I know of a Chi that put a man in the hospital with massive nerve damage to his hand. Yeah they don't inflict much damage come on!!!!!!!

[bubbatd]

For shame BB. ! You're as special as anyone born !! And your here with us !! Tut Tut ! Grammy .

[Babyblue5290]

For shame BB. ! You're as special as anyone born !! And your here with us !! Tut Tut ! Grammy .

Hey I was just saying if they were to breed people for temperment my parents would have been neutered/spayed!

[bubbatd]

Love you !!!!

[bubbatd]

this has been an active post which shows what a great group we have here !! It started at 6:24 and as I post the last was at 10:52 .....66 posts ! What a great group Chaz has...even if GO doesn't come back !! United we stand !!! We win !!

[Babyblue5290]

Love you !!!!

:D I know that! I love you guys too!!! :D You guys are like family!

[Love4Pits]

this has been an active post which shows what a great group we have here !! It started at 6:24 and as I post the last was at 10:52 .....66 posts ! What a great group Chaz has...even if GO doesn't come back !! United we stand !!! We win !!
yes is'nt it great?! Zeus boy is sitting here in his normal spot with his head in my lap patting his tail on the ground. Its relaxing and I realize just what great lengths I would go to to defend my babies!

[Renee750il]

But if they breed for temperment in humans I prob. would have never been born :rolleyes: LOL

You'd have been born! You're a unique soul, no matter what physical package you came through. You just wouldn't have had to live through so much along the way.

But do realize that in Jefferson's time, part of the arrangements for marriage in the upper echelons of society did take into consideration if there were conditions like insanity, poor health, feeble mindedness, etc. in a family, so they actually were paying some attention - much more than we do, anyway.

I just wish there weren't so many mean spirited, petty and small minded people running around loose.

This is a great bunch of people gathered together here . . .

[Renee750il]

Isn't Babe's new photo beautiful? She has the same calm, beatific expression on her face as some of the Madonnas painted by the Old Masters.

Funny, she doesn't resemble a loaded gun in the least . . . :rolleyes:

[juliefurry]

Ok FIRST OF ALL pitbulls were bred to be people friendly. Pitbulls were bred to NOT attack humans. They have an EXTREMELY high pain tolerance, and that is why they are used as fighting dogs. I have and pit mix and I have a 1 year old daughter and they are the BEST of friends. When I take him out for walks with her and the stroller he walks right next to the stroller and basically acts like a shield for her. I know he would protect her and risk his life if he had too. Pitbulls aren't born vicious, they are raised that way. You can make ANY dog mean. Hell you could even make a golden retriever mean, or a labrador mean, if you wanted! Most attacks that are pitbulls aren't even pits at all just a similar looking breed. Plus the media puts in the paper what they want you to think, they don't put the whole story in. Who knows what triggered the dog to bite! Pitbulls are dogs and just because there are a few bad ones doesn't mean you need to discriminate the whole breed! What if a golden attacked a child, would you expect us to discriminate a golden and talk about what horrible monsters they are? Plenty of other breeds have attacked and killed people and there breeds aren't discriminated agianst. Why are people attacking the pitbulls? The pitbulls do not deserve to be treated like this!

[Renee750il]

If it were a case of a Golden attacking, some fool would report that it was a "long haired Pit Bull" and it would go all over the news wire services and the internet that way and gullible, over zealous fools would rant and rave about Pits being equivalent to loaded guns and quote the article when whining about wanting breed bans.

[Love4Pits]

If it were a case of a Golden attacking, some fool would report that it was a "long haired Pit Bull" and it would go all over the news wire services and the internet that way and gullible, over zealous fools would rant and rave about Pits being equivalent to loaded guns and quote the article when whining about wanting breed bans.
LOL! I love you Renee :D

[juliefurry]

Yeah, they probably would. Grr! I just get so mad at ignorant, close-minded, people like that! I look at Mack and I just know he doesn't have a mean bone in his entire body. He is the sweetest, most caring, dog I have ever met in my life and it angers me that someone would come on here and try telling us that no matter what ALL pitbulls are mean and need to be banned from the world. Well if pitbulls are banned from the world than the world would become a very sad place.

[Barb04]

I agree with you Juliefurry. My stepson's pitbull is the sweetest dog you'll ever meet. He's a year old now and wants to be hugged and kissed. He gets so excited when someone visits.

[gaddylovesdogs]

My Aunt had a couple of pitbull/boxer mixes that she rescued from fighters...just walked into the yard, grabbed the dogs, and walked off. My Mom says they were 100 pound lap dogs. :D

[cleobear]

Its like the old saying goes "Blame the Deed not the Breed" I owned and loved many Pitbull before the Ban over here.
Tyson the Pitbull
BSL rears its ugly head once again in England.

Tyson, a registered dog is sentenced to death for not wearing a muzzle in a public place.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1674649,00.html

Makes me sick to my stomach once again and the Amendment giving the courts discretion when sentencing obviously wasn't enough to save him

[luvmydogs]

i know someone who as literally "mauled" bu a Golden Retriever...do i have to say anymore? all this pitbull talk is bull****. like i said b4, my MinPin is more viscious than my pitbull/mix

[Athe]

For myself I look at what the breed was designed for and then take into consideration the motor patterns and the enhanced drives of each breed. Were some of the motor patterns deleted, which ones were enhanced. To add to this some of the most dangerous dogs which have been involved in mauling deaths have been sweet dogs and kissy face when their predatory drive has not been tapped. When you have a breed like an APBT, Stafforshire Terrier (most terriers), Rottweilers etc which were breed to have the full series of motor patterns with enhanced drives then learn about the drives and make sure you are a responsible safe owner. To yell at some one and tell them that all these breeds are sweet kissy face dogs is covering up and just masking the problem...it is not solving anything.
When I rescued my Rottweiler I understood the breed, I took into consideration they were breed to chase cattle and grab at their hocks. Do I think my Rottweiler is safer than a Golden?? heck no, that is just plan silly. A Golden Retriever has been bred to grab bite but not to kill bite. A retriever, sheep herding dog and pointer, livestock guardian dogs, sight hounds are mucg safer than a cattle drover or a terrier bred to kill rodents.
It's quite logical when you sit down and think it though. Too many people are trying to put on that thier breed of choice would never hurt any one and it's only a bad evil owner who creates a bad dog...wrong. It takes a naive person, even a person who will spoil one of these dogs to create a dangerous dog. I have met some sweet APBT's that are loving and sweet that have gone into predatory drift just as quick as I could blink my eye. One moment playing with you, then a head hung low and attacking due to predatory drift...aggression? not exactly, its just a drive or motor pattern the breed was bred to have and it is enhanced.
Education is what we need.

[Athe]

Ok FIRST OF ALL pitbulls were bred to be people friendly. Pitbulls were bred to NOT attack humans.
All good breeders breed for dogs that don't attack humans :rolleyes: I hear this so much and for myself I just can't stand behind such a comment. It's a weak defense. All dogs can and will bite, I have seen the worst bites from the best bred APBT's...
The biggest thing you have to keep in mind is when this particular dog decides to bite...how much damage will it inflict. I would be less worried about a Golden Retriever biting me than a Rottweiler or AST, APBT.

[Renee750il]

Exactly, Athe. One real problem that has to be factored in is the irresponsible breeding - not just by backyard breeders, but by organizations like the AKC that push conformation, conformation, conformation, warping and twisting it over the years and leaving behind too many behavioural and temperamental considerations in the quest for a certain look that is winning shows at any given time.

Pits were very selectively bred to specifically have extreme bite inhibition toward humans. Drovers should have kill inhibitions; drover/guardians should be able to differentiate between what is a threat and what is not and use some discretion as to how to deal with the threat. If these breeds had not had these qualities when they were needed as working dogs they would have been useless and would likely not have survived - at least not in a form we would recognize today.

Education is precisely what is needed. Not only for owners and breeders, but a bit of common sense in the general population would go a long way as well. I keep harping on it: Dogs don't bite without a reason, and there is almost always a human behind that reason - not necessarily the one who gets bitten, but somewhere in the equation there's a human factor!

[Athe]

Not only for owners and breeders, but a bit of common sense in the general population would go a long way as well. I keep harping on it: Dogs don't bite without a reason, and there is almost always a human behind that reason - not necessarily the one who gets bitten, but somewhere in the equation there's a human factor!
I would agree with that on one level...but until you have seen a well socialized dog which is friendly and owned by a great owner go into predatory drift and attack because a person's voice is too high pitched...this is not the fault of the owner...it is due to the enhanced drive of that particular dog. I suppose we could blame it on the breed clubs pushing for enhanced drives and full series of predatory drives that normal dogs do not possess. It's very easy to breed for enhanced drives just as easy as it is to deselect some motor patterns.

[Debi]

I've read most of this thread..but became exhausted. A story in our news this week...condensed version..'dog loose..police pull up, see it's a pitbull, shoot 4 times' NOW..PALEEEEESE...if that doesn't just want to make you cry, you're not human. The poor owner was in tears..the pit was 14 yrs old and so very tame. Ignorance won again...and believe me, I emailed that station and spit out a piece of my mind for even running the story. We've all had our dogs run off for a moment..the very thought that ignorance would lead to your dog being shot on the spot is pathetic. I personally am more frightened of my neighbor's chis that will bite you repeatedly soon as look at you. Don't play with me.....they could absolutely kill a child. (don't send me hate mail chi owners...I'm not bashing them, just making a point) I can't imagine when the madness will end regarding pitbulls. I HATE the media's fixation for them....it's the same to me as picking out certain people and deciding their 'bad'. It's CRAP.

[BigDog2191]

I just read through this whole thread.

It's absolutely ludicrous what I've been reading. Pit bulls were meant to hunt wild game; bears, wild boars, etc.

Basically, they were bred to be as animal-aggressive as possible but to also be as HUMAN-FRIENDLY as possible.

Every pit bull I've ever met was extremely nice. They've got such a bad rap because of the media and a lot of it is true, sure. But it's the result of irresponsible breeding and irresponsible ownership. People who have deep insecurities about themselves need to get a "bad ass pit bull" to make them seem tough.

Then, as soon as it pees on the floor or tears up a bed--they give 'em to a shelter or just abandon him.

There is nothing wrong with a pitbull. It's the people. It's in their GENETICS to love people. The only that can change that is, guess what? PEOPLE.

[gaddylovesdogs]

I hate when people say that pits are bad with children, they should never be around them. It's irresponsible to leave a young child alone with or without a dog, no matter what the breed. I wouldn't leave my nephew alone at all, with or without one of my dogs, unless he was taking a nap or something.

[BigDog2191]

Absolutely. Leaving ANY dog alone with a child is stupid. I heard about a recent-- I think it was an Alaskan Malamute left alone with a child and the Malamute wanted to play and accidentally killed the child.

Not a pit bull--but leaving a CHILD alone with ANY dog is stupid. I think they should only be left alone with the dog if they're 11 or older.

[gaddylovesdogs]

It really is just stupid to leave a small child alone with any animal. Little kids don't know how to read body language, and they don't know how to respect animals. I am lucky to have an animal-loving family that has taught me to appreciate and respect animals, when we first got Colby I was pretty young, and I was taught to respect her and not to push her to her limits. I have learned how to read their body language, and if I see that they seem unhappy about something, I try to get them out of that situation ASAP.

[Rose's Gal]

I would be less worried about a Golden Retriever biting me than a Rottweiler or AST, APBT.
I don't know...from what I know, Pitties grab and hold on. I'd rather be bit by a PitBull that just grabs my arm and refuses to let go, than a Labrador, or a GSD, or something that will rip and tear. But then, that is just MO.

[Debi]

I suppose it will never cease to amaze me how the media will run to a story involving a pitbull....because that's just another thing I'm not stupid about...dog bites happen all the time, with all breeds. For a dozen reasons...but I blame the media for the hype, as it hypes so many things for the 'story'....let's just be over dramatic when we can. I swear...if you would have even seen the reporter on the story I mentioned...OMG..give the guy an Oscar right now. I have little respect for the media....even less (none) when it comes to their pathetic renditions of 'pitbull attacks'. Sadly, that's what the general public sees........I gotta wonder about all people who believe everything they see in the 'news'.....stopping now....gets me tooooooooooooo angry.

and I totally agree.........leaving any child alone....DUH...let alone with an animal is the stupidity of a negligent parent.

[Richie12345]

I love pitbulls, wish I could own one (my mom is afraid of them), but just because GO calls a pitbull a loaded gun doesn't mean I am going to give it my all to insult her and prove her wrong. Everybody as been mislead by the media, I know I have. Just type down "Pitbull attacks" on google, and someone that's not educated in dogs will get convinced that pitbulls are a dangerous breed, I used to be. Everybody is proud about being a "family" and defending the pitbull. I am dissapointed in you guys... I am fine with defending the pitbull, but just don't call someone close-minded, ignorant, and stupid. What happend to manners, if someone goes talking bad about a breed or someone else don't stoop down to her level.

[juliefurry]

Well they are close-minded when they do not listen to what other people have to say. When all they can see is their point and won't even listen to what others have to say they are being close-minded. There are lots of pitbull owners -lovers on this site and I (being an owner) am not going to sit around and let my dog be bad mouthed by someone who just thinks there own way and will not even listen to what others say about the breed. If they are going to open a discussion like they did they should expect to get this kind of additude from people, especially when they are not willing to listen or consider what others are saying.

[gaddylovesdogs]

Richie -

Most of us here have heard this one too many times. Someone IS ignorant and close-minded when they don't so much as read what other people have to say. :rolleyes:

[Renee750il]

That's admirable of you to want to defend someone, Richie, but before GO got the short end she was given the chance and the wherewithal to introduce herself to valid information that didn't agree with her agenda. Refusing to entertain any sources that disagree with what you wish to believe removes one from the realm of being ignorant, which is nothing shameful, to being willfully ignorant, which is reprehensible.

And it's pretty difficult to do any kind of reading on Chazhound without figuring out that we are a very pro-Pit/anti-BSL bunch here. I think GO was just trying to stir up ill feelings and really doesn't deserve your concern.

Now, if GO decides to do a little homework and open her mind a bit, she's welcome and we'll be more than happy to have a rational exchange of ideas.

However, posting with a bad case of diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain just doesn't cut it :p

[bubbatd]

Amen, Renee ......I notice she's gone ????

[gaddylovesdogs]

I doubt she'll come back - she doesn't have a good argument.

[Love4Pits]

I don't think I was in the wrong at all and i still stick by everything i said. My pitbulls are my life at this point and add such a freshness to my normal days because lets face it their nothing like s Sibe, Chin, or Mal lol but their just as sweet. I will defend my pits with my life and obviousely have before im still healing from that incident. I won't go back on anything i said because GO is closed minded and ignorent and i was litterally in tears actualy TEARS when replying the first time to this post. Because i love my dogs so much and THAT PERSON was calling them monsters and saying they were a loaded gun! I won't go back and I won't apologize or agree to disagree GO steped over a major line with me and I will never forgive that person I'll take that back I may forgive but I will NEVER forget!

To me GO is just like those boys who threw rocks at me and my dogs in town!


Sorry had to rant again

[Debi]

Pits...that pic of Babe is to die for..OMG..SAWEEEEET! LOL I don't think anyone here bashes people for opinions at all. But, it does depend on the post how reponses are given. A blatant 'bash' will get someone flak....sorry, it's just ignorant. We've had many discussions of breeds....that's always a good thing. Someone just coming to this forum to post such a flaming opinion will get just what they asked for. Anyone intending on 'bashing' a breed better come with a really good argument, and massive education, and facts.....TRUE facts to present their case.

[Richie12345]

Well they are close-minded when they do not listen to what other people have to say. When all they can see is their point and won't even listen to what others have to say they are being close-minded.
If they are close-minded and only see their point, why waste energy? No matter how hard you try they are going to have the same opinion. We shouldn't yell at them and call them stupid, because they are just going to get madder and talk bad about the breed. For something like this, just ignore it, don't stoop down to her level.

[gaddylovesdogs]

We stated our opinions and gave her information on the breed. She chose not to listen.

[BigDog2191]

Doesn't really matter anyway, she hasn't posted in a long time. She was probably a troll.

[Richie12345]

And it's pretty difficult to do any kind of reading on Chazhound without figuring out that we are a very pro-Pit/anti-BSL bunch here. I think GO was just trying to stir up ill feelings and really doesn't deserve your concern.

But that's the thing, why argue a close-minded, ignorant person when you know no one is going to win. I am dissapointed in you guys, because you (in general) are getting angry which is probably her goal. She refuses to be open-minded, and probably made some false facts that she read in some anti pitbull website (I read in a breed that the Pitbull was the 6th most popular breed, not 68th). I don't know why people are thinking I am trying to defend her... I am defending niether GO nor you guys, I am just saying that you should not get mad at her.

[juliefurry]

yeah she probably was. But just incase she comes back I want her to take a look at this picture. If my dog was SO vicous I must be crazy to let him this close to my daughter. Oh, and it's funny she still has all her arms and legs.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/juliefurry/emilyMack.jpg

[gaddylovesdogs]

If we want to try and talk to her about the pitbull, we can do so. We make these decisions for ourselves. Why are you "dissapointed in us"? I don't see any reason to be.

[Richie12345]

All I am saying is that GO is most likely some close-minded, brain washed woman trying to stir up some trouble. I get dissapointed when people actually get mad and get a fit and call her stupid and stuff. You guys are getting nowhere when you do this, and you are just acheiving her goal to get you guys in a pussy fit!

[juliefurry]

well we are protecting a breed that has been unjustly accused of many things.

[gaddylovesdogs]

LOL if I choose to give her a piece of mind, that's my choice. Yes all she was doing was stirring up trouble, we all know that. I don't care if she got what she wanted, I can form my own opinion. She can't expect to place something such as this on a large public message board without at least one peron disagreeing with her point of view.

[Richie12345]

If we want to try and talk to her about the pitbull, we can do so. We make these decisions for ourselves. Why are you "dissapointed in us"? I don't see any reason to be.Why? BECAUSE YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN GIVE THESE PEOPLE ATTENTION!!!! I hate it when some super pro-christian starts talking about how bad The Simpsons are (my favorite show), or start talking about how bad violent video games. But hey, I just ignore her! Fine, I don't care if you argue, you are just feeding the troll.

"This person is what is called a troll...someone who comes to a forum and starts trouble. Please don't feed the trolls!!!" - posted in another forum. A man posted that his dog was getting old. He said have enough money, so he wanted to know what size bullet he should use to shoot the dog. Everybody got pissed off...

[gaddylovesdogs]

Richie, you do not make choices for other people. You don't need to get upset because other people here chose do reply to GoldenOwner.

This is silly, you yelling at me for having an opinion and stating it. :rolleyes: If I want to post my opinion, I can.

[Richie12345]

well we are protecting a breed...
You call this protecting a breed? WHAT ARE WE DOING? We are having this pointless arguement! That isn't protecting a breed! You want to protect a breed? How about saving some pitbulls from some abusive owners, that protecting a breed!

[BigDog2191]

Everybody needs to just chill out... she's gone...

[Richie12345]

Richie, you do not make choices for other people. You don't need to get upset because other people here chose do reply to GoldenOwner.

This is silly, you yelling at me for having an opinion and stating it. :rolleyes: If I want to post my opinion, I can.
Well, come on! GO posted her opinion and L4P, Julliefurry, and much more are yelling at her for having an opinion ;).

[gaddylovesdogs]

Everyone has their own opinion, and when we gave her ours, she wouldn't listen, she kept on jabbering on and on how pitbulls are "loaded guns".

[juliefurry]

Yes, I am protecting the breed! I am trying to educate stupid people who believe EVERYTHING they read in the papers. I HAVE A PIT MIX! IF YOU GO UP A FEW POSTS YOU WILL SEE A PICTURE OF HIM!!!! YOU ARE THE ONE THAT STARTED THIS WHOLE STUPID ARGUEMENT ABOUT THE PITBULL SITUATION! THIS IS A FORUM AND WE ARE FREE TO POST IF WE WANT! I WILL TALK TILL I AM BLUE IN THE FACE ABOUT PITBULLS TO TRY AND EDUCATE ONE PERSON WHO WAS MISLEAD BY THE MEDIA! SO DON'T TELL ME HOW TO PROTECT A BREED I KNOW HOW TO PROTECT A BREED!

[BigDog2191]

Y'all... chill.

Now we're arguing with each other...

[Richie12345]

I won't go back on anything i said because GO is closed minded and ignorent and i was litterally in tears actualy TEARS
L4P, I admire you. But this I can't admire... there is no doubt in my mind that you love your dogs, but you have to ignore this. This was her goal, to put you in tears, to get you mad, and you let that happen... I am just going to end this. I am sure all of you want me to end this

[juliefurry]

This forum is nothing but arguements lately and I am sick of arguing! I argue enough with my husband at home about our husky and how we are going to pay for her cancer treatments and her amputation. Until people can learn to stop arguing I am through! I have tried to be calm but I can't be calm anymore. Richie you don't know what you are talking about. This is a public forum and we are free to post what we want. If we want to tell that woman off about saying bad things then we will. If you can't understand that then stop writing in this post and starting more arguements that aren't needed on this site. I am going to protect the breed from people who enjoy badmouthing it. Yeah she started her arguement and then she left, and you know what Richie you should have left well enough alone but no instead you have been on this forum ALL DAY restarting an arguement that didn't need to be started! So until this forum can stop arguing I'm done. I get enough arguing at home I don't need to come online to the one place that is suppose to be for people to express themselves and argue with everyone else on the planet too!

[Richie12345]

Yes, I am protecting the breed! I am trying to educate stupid people who believe EVERYTHING they read in the papers. I HAVE A PIT MIX! IF YOU GO UP A FEW POSTS YOU WILL SEE A PICTURE OF HIM!!!! YOU ARE THE ONE THAT STARTED THIS WHOLE STUPID ARGUEMENT ABOUT THE PITBULL SITUATION! THIS IS A FORUM AND WE ARE FREE TO POST IF WE WANT! I WILL TALK TILL I AM BLUE IN THE FACE ABOUT PITBULLS TO TRY AND EDUCATE ONE PERSON WHO WAS MISLEAD BY THE MEDIA! SO DON'T TELL ME HOW TO PROTECT A BREED I KNOW HOW TO PROTECT A BREED!
Well, one more thing b4 I end this: Do you think she believes pitbulls are a good breed? I am sorry to burst out and make you mad, but I think, no I KNOW if she had a gun and could shoot a pitbull, without going to jail she would do it. I know I was harsh, but your attempt at trying to educate GO failed.

[gaddylovesdogs]

I am totally out...you really aren't helping it right now, Richie.

[Renee750il]

You guys thought I was already gone for the weekend, didn't you? ;)

Richie, you are being completely logical, but bear in mind this is an emotional issue. Pits and the rest did an admirable job of restraining themselves with her and considering the goad the posts were remarkably civil. Have you ever been utterly frustrated trying to explain something that is blatantly obvious to someone who has the attitude, "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind's already made up?" Makes you a little nuts sometimes. GO was exhibiting gross stupidity. Pointing out their glaring faults may not be the most polite or effective way to deal with someone like that, but sometimes people like that do get just what they're asking for.

We get a few through here who start out like GO, but actually do examine the information that's out there and change their minds. Those people wouldn't have that chance to learn differently if somebody hadn't cared passionately enough to present the evidence and kept after it.

Richie and Big are so right about one thing - GO's managed to get people at each others' throats who aren't even on different sides of the issue! Talk about someone being the equivalent of a loaded gun! There's nothing more dangerous than a loaded mouth - especially when the brain's packing dummy loads.

Personally, I think if there's any justice to be had, her dog will bite her on the butt :p

As I said in the thread I posted in the Fire Hydrant . . . PLAY NICE! I want to see everyone - [/B]EVERYONE[B] when I get back!

[blue]

I had a long day yesterday and missed this thread.

I realise GO has run away tail tucked but lets have a little quiz shall we.

What does this
http://www.geocities.com/duffy7836/glock23-2.jpg

And Babe (Love I hope you dont mind)
http://tinypic.com/6i9yte.jpg

Have in common?



Get it yet?





Have a clue yet?



Hmmmm?






Niether my gun or Love's Babe are any danger to you or anybody!!!!!

GoldenOwner you are the A$$hat of the day.

Also notice I have my loaded weapon pointed in a safe direction, and yes I know GO pulled a pic off the web to make a pathetic and uninformed point.

[Renee750il]

Go Blue!

Can I leave you in charge of this one while I'm gone this weekend? :D

[blue]

Ill be here, Im backing out of this weekends trip to make a weeklong trip soon.

[Renee750il]

Now THAT sounds like a good trip, Blue.

Tradeja trips . . . :D

[Payge]

Funny, in all my time working at the Veterinary Hospital i've been bitten twice, lunged at once. The biters were 1. a corgi, and 2. a cocker spaniel. The lunger was a german shep. The Pitts and Rotts were usually the sweetest of all my clients. To this day Corgis scare the beejebus outta me, Pitts? You gotta be kidding, theyre all huggable and lovable and....*goes into a fit of smoochyfaces*

[Love4Pits]

But that's the thing, why argue a close-minded, ignorant person when you know no one is going to win. I am dissapointed in you guys, because you (in general) are getting angry which is probably her goal. She refuses to be open-minded, and probably made some false facts that she read in some anti pitbull website (I read in a breed that the Pitbull was the 6th most popular breed, not 68th). I don't know why people are thinking I am trying to defend her... I am defending niether GO nor you guys, I am just saying that you should not get mad at her.
Well i don't really care if your dissapointed I will say what I want to say on the matter.

[Love4Pits]

You call this protecting a breed? WHAT ARE WE DOING? We are having this pointless arguement! That isn't protecting a breed! You want to protect a breed? How about saving some pitbulls from some abusive owners, that protecting a breed!
hmm if i remember correctly you started this recent argument telling us how dissapointed you are in us all :rolleyes:

[WazSupDogs]

Yeaaaa
PITBULLS Are strong Dog
My friend got attack by it
I dont think its a good idea 2 use Pitbulls too

[Love4Pits]

do you mean own?

[blue]

Or even "live with"?

Again Love I hope you dont mind me using the pic of Babe, I felt it would drive the point home better.

[Love4Pits]

Oh no no problem!

[blue]

Thanks I appreciate it Scar, I am keeping that pic on my harddrive cause it makes me smile. Thanks again.

[Ash47]

This is crazy. I think we all know how the regulars here at Chaz feel about Pits. These are just people who have read what we feel about Pits and want to stir something up. Nothing better to do this 4th of July weekend??

[CreatureTeacher]

Well done, Blue. Babe is absolutely the poster child for pittie-types. Bless her lil' heart. And hat.

[SouthernPit]

I saw this and had to put my 2 cents in! Pit Bulls are not "loaded guns"! They are actually very sweet dogs with the right owner! It is sad that so many unresponsible people get these dogs and create incorrect opinions in people's minds. That is simply lack of education on the breed.

A dog will only do when he or she is taught. When an animal is abused or used to illegal things, it will turn agressive. I mean If you were starved for food or beat, would you be nice to everyone? NO WAY! You would hate everyone around and probally attack everything around you as well. PEOPLE make them agressive and mean! It is not the breed! Dog aggression is nearly always preceded by some kind of warning, and there is always a reason behind the attack.

We have several that play with my children every day, that are sweet, and that are loving! All of our dogs are show dogs....These are family dogs that make great companions!

I am very sorry you feel so strongly about the dogs. I would love to suggest you do some searching for info on the breed other than negitive! There is just as much positive info you can find! Then maybe you will have a different opinion!

Here are some positive facts!

Pit bulls were used in 9-11 as SARs Dogs..

Pit Bulls are heroes! America's first war dog was a Pit Bull named Stubby. He earned several medals during World War I and was honored at the White House. The Ken-L-Ration dog hero of 1993 was a Pit Bull named Weela. She saved 30 people, 29 dogs, 13 horses and a cat during a flood in Southern California. A Pit Bull named Bogart saved a four-year-old child from drowning in a swimming pool in Florida. Dixie, the Pit Bull, was inducted into the Georgia Animal Hall of Fame after she saved some children from a Cottonmouth snake.

Pit Bulls are one of the most stable people-friendly dogs in existence. The National Canine Temperament Testing Association tested 122 breeds, and Pit Bulls placed the 4th highest with a 95% passing rate!

The majority of Pit Bulls are affectionate, intelligent, trainable dogs. In fact, the highest obedience trial record of all time is held by an American Pit Bull Terrier named Maddy!

[RD]

As with any breed, there are occasionally "bad eggs". (Usually poorly bred, weak nerved animals.) I would imagine these are the dogs you are hearing about in these articles. I don't doubt that it happened, nor do I doubt that the dog was aggressive.

Pit Bulls are a very common, very popular breed. This is not the entire Pit population that you are reading about in the hundred or so articles out there on pit attacks.

Why are Pits the ones mentioned the most? Because, really, their bites inflict more damage than that of a "soft-mouthed" breed like a Labrador Retriever. I have heard of Labradors attacking, but they do not have the jaw strength, nor the terrier-like determination, to do a ton of damage in a short amount of time. (BTW, any large-ish dog can severely injure or kill a person. It's why you have to be very careful and responsible when owning dogs.)

It is rather painful as well for me to hear people go ON AND ON about how wonderful Pits are, and never mention the flaws of the breed... Honestly, people, do you -want- to attract unexperienced owners to the breed?
They're not dogs for everyone, saying that they are sooo wonderful all the time just so the general public stops fearing them is foolish IMO. Then someone who knows virtually nothing about dogs will just hear of how wonderful Pits are, and run out and get one, most likely from an unscrupulous breeder. How do you think there are so many "bad" pits out there?! It's not always because they are treated poorly, sometimes the person loves their dog to death but they just don't know how to control them!

[bubbatd]

I really feel for those who own and love Pitts and do get the blunt of the bad rap. I've personally have never met a Pitt. There are a lot of breeds I personally haven't petted and loved. I'm not anti any of these breeds , but here in Indiana there are too many badly bred dogs for protection and fighting. I was very pleased yesterday to see a man walking his pitty and stopping by to talk to my next dog neighbor. Being a nosy Grammy , I watched the attitude, connection, throughout. This was a very well behaved dog, a seemingly good owner. Yes, the collar seemed too "metal", but he never yanked . What should I do when stray pitts. seem to need help ??? At my age I don't feel I can go out to them and I feel terrible !!

[SouthernPit]

Rip's Girl,
It is the responsibility for anyone looking at purchasing a dog to do research on it first. No matter what breed of dog it is. So, if someone does not read up on a breed, temperment, confirmation, ect, that seems that would be their fault if they were to run out and get one without educating themselves on the breed.

Pits are wonderful dogs. They are no different than a Chihuahua or Lab. Saying people should mention the flaws of the breed, is not really fair.

It all boils down to, any dog can bite, every dog breed is not right for everyone. It is the responsibility of the purchaser to find out what dog is for them!

In all fairness, therefore, it must be noted that:
Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner most often is responsible -- not the breed, and not the dog.

An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant.

Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be likely to bite. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.

How about this.......The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictibility is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed.

Does these mean people should be told Pomeranian's are bad dogs? Or are killers? No!

It really bothers me to hear people talk badly about this breed, as it is people who really only know what they hear about the breed that have given them such a bad name!!!

[Love4Pits]

So true so true SouthernPit

[MyDogsLoveMe]

I am a owner of a 20 month old pit bull and would trust the lives of my 2 grandchildren to her in a heart beat. All I have to do is tell Nalla to watch the baby and she will not leave my grand daughters side till I tell her to. Just like any large bred dog it is all in the hands of who owns them and how they are raised. I have had several different breeds, german shep. chows, rotti, pit, now a siberian husky who is the playmate to my pit. They are raised in a loving inviroment, but they also know the change in my voice and what it means. Responsible people will have no problems in life with pits. Yes they do have a bad rep, and for a while people were buying them to be bullies, but they are a gentle breed and given the chance will be the most loyal pets you will ever have

[SouthernPit]

My Dog Loves Me,

I am a owner of a 20 month old pit bull and would trust the lives of my 2 grandchildren to her in a heart beat. All I have to do is tell Nalla to watch the baby and she will not leave my grand daughters side till I tell her to. Just like any large bred dog it is all in the hands of who owns them and how they are raised. I have had several different breeds, german shep. chows, rotti, pit, now a siberian husky who is the playmate to my pit. They are raised in a loving inviroment, but they also know the change in my voice and what it means. Responsible people will have no problems in life with pits. Yes they do have a bad rep, and for a while people were buying them to be bullies, but they are a gentle breed and given the chance will be the most loyal pets you will ever have

I totally agree with you!!!

[juliefurry]

I will second that. I have to admit I was sort of scared of pits for awhile but after I did research and understood them I found out what a loving and caring breed of dog they can be.

[RD]

SouthernPit,

It is the responsibility for anyone looking at purchasing a dog to do research on it first. No matter what breed of dog it is. So, if someone does not read up on a breed, temperment, confirmation, ect, that seems that would be their fault if they were to run out and get one without educating themselves on the breed. I absolutely agree!

Pits are wonderful dogs. They are no different than a Chihuahua or Lab. ..Huh? How can you say that? There is a world of difference between a Pit and a Chihuahua. Just like there is a world of difference between a Chi and a Labrador.
(BTW - If you meant that they are equal to Chis and Labs in their ability to provide good companionship, I agree.

Saying people should mention the flaws of the breed, is not really fair.

Why not? If someone asks me about Border Collies, another terribly misunderstood breed, I would tell them both the things that are great about BCs, and the things that are not so great. It's up to that person to decide whether or not the breed is good for them, based on the information they recieve.
If you say what's wonderful about them, it's only fair to mention their traits that are not so great. (Keeping in mind that everyone's idea of a good trait often varies. I love intense dogs, whereas some people see that as a bad thing.)
Pits are terriers... They are strong, (in both body and will) extremely active and fearless - as any Terrier should be. There are downsides to that, which makes them unsuitable pets for many people. They are a "dominant" breed, and they have tendencies towards dog-aggression. THOSE are the 'downsides' of the Pit that unfortunately never seem to be mentioned, and I think they should. It's not BAD, and it's got nothing to do with all the false information out there about them.


It all boils down to, any dog can bite, every dog breed is not right for everyone. It is the responsibility of the purchaser to find out what dog is for them!
Agreed.


Regarding the Pom killing the baby, that is an example of extremely irresponsible owners and, even worse, irresponsible parents. It's got nothing to do with the breed - I agree with you that bites in general have nothing to do with the breed. It's about the individual animal, its owners, and its breeding.

I'd continue writing a "novel" here but I've gotta get going! Good post!

[SouthernPit]

When I said why mention the bad, I do not mean to someone looking for a puppy or dog. I always tell people about the breed and their charcters. However, I just don't see the point in constand horrible comments about the breed.

It seems as though everyone has an opinion on the breed. In my opinion, all breeds are equal, all have goods and all have bads....

ANY breed can bite, and any breed can be mean. So it just really upsets me when people constantly slander one breed. YKWIM?

[RD]

Horrible comments? No way, I wasn't talking about that at all. If all a person has to say about their breed are negative things, then they probably don't like their breed. I think we're both misunderstanding each other. My comment was directed at the fact that I'm always hearing how "perfect" (for lack of a better word) Pits are, when in reality they are dogs like any other breed, and they too have their flaws. Does that make sense?

And yes, it is upsetting to me as well to see one breed singled out and attacked. IMO, the breed has nothing to do with it. It's the irresponsible owners and breeders that need to be punished, not the dogs or the breed.

[SouthernPit]

Oh No, I was not meaning your comments were horrible! LOL I mean the general comments made by others.....

Oh yeah i totally agree with you! I do not think they are perfect, they do have their own "set ways"...LOL

[caseyolee]

There ARE occasions where a Pitbull or some variety of Pit-looking dog is involved in a tragic mauling. There are cases of Labs, Shepherds, Dobermans, Spaniels, all sorts of other breeds and crosses . . . and yes, GOLDENS, involved in severe biting incidents as well.

But, you only hear about the pit attacks. What would the media want w/ lab or golden attacks? That wouldn't be any fun for them now would it?

And then there are panicked, hysterical 'eye-wittnesses' that wouldn't know the difference between a Pit and a collie. Wonderful 'eye-wittnesses' they are.

You'd be surprised at how bad the public is with identifying breeds of dogs. When you think Border Collie, you think black & white.....but there are red & white, merel's, tri's......I can't tell you how many times people have mistaken my 'other' colored Border Collies for a mut or a completely different breed.

EX: I was asked if my 7 month old Tri- colored Border Collie pup was a German Shepherd. Honestly.......wow.

The public just needs educated. That's the whole problem. The public needs a course in dog breeds, children need to know how to respect and handle a dog in general, the public needs to be educated on how to properly train and respect animals.

Then there are people that are so closed minded, that it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to learn anything. I got my first Pit pup about 8 weeks ago. She's 16 weeks old now and she is the sweetest, smartest dog i've ever owned. She is smarter than most of my Border Collies. She is amazing. She;s just a big cuddle-bug. Now, I can't wait to get a second :)

[Renee750il]

And then there are panicked, hysterical 'eye-wittnesses' that wouldn't know the difference between a Pit and a collie. Wonderful 'eye-wittnesses' they are.

You are so right! One of the first things I learned working with criminal defense is how worthless 'eyewitless' accounts are . . . :rolleyes:

[mystical_wings]

Okay Golden Owner:

First: Pitbull attack in Toronto. There isn't any information other than an attack. Most likely the pit was in neighborhood unleased. Fault lays on Irresponsible OWNER!!!

Second: Albany Attack. Once again pit not on leash. Irresponsible OWNER!!!!

Third: Your Carmichael story is not there, so you might as well delete that link.

Fourth: Your last two links are the same story with conflicting tales. Go figure media doesn't go for truth but what makes ratings!!!!

I think you should check out www.pitbullproblem.tk I should warn though it's not for the faint of heart!

[mystical_wings]

Oh and the police said it looked to be a pitbull, which means they are not positive.

[mystical_wings]

My stepdad had a golden that you could NOT trust around children. He would bite them first chance he got. Pitbulls are covered and other dogs are not because of the damage a pit can do.

[mystical_wings]

That is awfull what happened to Cody. Once again irresponsible owner for not making sure there are no holes large enough for hands, feet etc to get through. Pitbulls are protective of their home.

[Jason]

http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/news/accidents_emergencies/dog_attack_232.jpg http://www.keyboardbiologist.net/knitblog/images/Equals.JPG http://www.sviguns.com/catalog99/tiki2_375_375.jpg
This is hilarious! LMFAO!

[Jason]

My pitbulls are my life at this point and add such a freshness to my normal days because lets face it their nothing like s Sibe, Chin, or Mal lol but their just as sweet. I will defend my pits with my life and obviousely have before im still healing from that incident. I won't go back on anything i said because GO is closed minded and ignorent and i was litterally in tears actualy TEARS when replying the first time to this post. Because i love my dogs so much and THAT PERSON was calling them monsters and saying they were a loaded gun! I won't go back and I won't apologize or agree to disagree GO steped over a major line with me and I will never forgive that person I'll take that back I may forgive but I will NEVER forget!

To me GO is just like those boys who threw rocks at me and my dogs in town!You gotta relax...

[SouthernPit]

Hey Mystical,
Oh the flash movies on www.pitbullproblem.tk is awesome! I am actually waiting for the creator of that to send me the file so I can upload it to our website! It is a very very nice movie!

[SouthernPit]

Pitbulls are a loaded gun? Thats not true at all! Guns don't kill people, people do! The gun can't pull it's own trigger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gaddylovesdogs]

My pitbulls are my life at this point and add such a freshness to my normal days because lets face it their nothing like s Sibe, Chin, or Mal lol but their just as sweet. I will defend my pits with my life and obviousely have before im still healing from that incident. I won't go back on anything i said because GO is closed minded and ignorent and i was litterally in tears actualy TEARS when replying the first time to this post. Because i love my dogs so much and THAT PERSON was calling them monsters and saying they were a loaded gun! I won't go back and I won't apologize or agree to disagree GO steped over a major line with me and I will never forgive that person I'll take that back I may forgive but I will NEVER forget!

To me GO is just like those boys who threw rocks at me and my dogs in town!
You gotta relax...
You haven't been here long enough to know how much Scarlette has been through with crazy people that hate pits. She owns three adorable, wonderful pitbulls. One day she was out and about, had her three pits in her car. Somebody alerted her that a few teenage boys were throwing rocks at her dogs and at her car, so she rushed outside to try and stop them. Her dogs were absolutely terrified, these boys started swearing at Scarlette and throwing rocks at her - one hit her just below the eye.

So, in my opinion, she doesn't really need to relax, seeing as she has dealt with ignorant people like GoldenOwner before.

[Jason]

You haven't been here long enough to know how much Scarlette has been through with crazy people that hate pits. She owns three adorable, wonderful pitbulls. One day she was out and about, had her three pits in her car. Somebody alerted her that a few teenage boys were throwing rocks at her dogs and at her car, so she rushed outside to try and stop them. Her dogs were absolutely terrified, these boys started swearing at Scarlette and throwing rocks at her - one hit her just below the eye.

So, in my opinion, she doesn't really need to relax, seeing as she has dealt with ignorant people like GoldenOwner before.Geez, where to start. First of all, I'm sorry she and her dogs were attacked. Pretty ironic if you ask me. But why were those boys throwing rocks at the dogs? Were they provoked to do so or just very mean-spirited? Did the boys attack them because they are Pits or because the boys are aholes? How would the boys even know they were Pits?

Also, I can't believe you don't make a distinction between a physical attack on some dogs and their owner to a person who comes on a forum and posts an opinion. You sound like such a fanatic! How can you (and others have done likewise) assume GoldenOwner would physically harm a Pit or their owner? She probably has never done anything mean to a dog in her life, yet you and others equate her distaste for Pits with evil and malice. You should be ashamed! This is a totally unacceptable.

[BigDog2191]

Uh-oh.... ya shouldn't a done that....

[Jason]

Uh-oh.... ya shouldn't a done that....
Yes, now I'm an evil person! I may not wish harm to any dog ever, but because I don't want to own a pit bull or be around one I'm such a terrible human being! I should be banned.

[Babyblue5290]

I should be banned.

Now there's an Idea!!! :rolleyes:

[gaddylovesdogs]

Geez, where to start. First of all, I'm sorry she and her dogs were attacked. Pretty ironic if you ask me. But why were those boys throwing rocks at the dogs? Were they provoked to do so or just very mean-spirited? Did the boys attack them because they are Pits or because the boys are aholes? How would the boys even know they were Pits?
Because they don't like pitbulls and they're ignorant, blockheaded @$$holes.

Also, I can't believe you don't make a distinction between a physical attack on some dogs and their owner to a person who comes on a forum and posts an opinion. You sound like such a fanatic! How can you (and others have done likewise) assume GoldenOwner would physically harm a Pit or their owner? She probably has never done anything mean to a dog in her life, yet you and others equate her distaste for Pits with evil and malice. You should be ashamed! This is a totally unacceptable.
Most of here have dealt with quite a few people like GoldenOwner. Have you read this entire post? She came here, a new member, and just started bashing this breed, when she knows dirt about the breed in the first place. She would not take any of our information. She kept pushing and pushing with what she thinks the breed is like, and wouldn't listen to what other people have to say.

[gaddylovesdogs]

I may not wish harm to any dog ever, but because I don't want to own a pit bull or be around one I'm such a terrible human being!
Why don't you like pitbulls?

[mystical_wings]

Thanks, Southern. I'm glad they're going to send it to you. :)

[Jason]

Now there's an Idea!!! :rolleyes:
You'd be doing me a favor. :rolleyes:

[Jason]

Because they don't like pitbulls and they're ignorant, blockheaded @$$holes.Is that a guess or do you know? It matters only because of this argument. Attacking a dog or their owner is terrible no matter what though.

Most of here have dealt with quite a few people like GoldenOwner. Have you read this entire post? She came here, a new member, and just started bashing this breed, when she knows dirt about the breed in the first place. She would not take any of our information. She kept pushing and pushing with what she thinks the breed is like, and wouldn't listen to what other people have to say.Yes I have read this entire thread. I never said GoldenOwner was right or open-minded, but the attacks on her were ridiculous. She obviously doesn't want to hear anything contrary to what she believes in and that's her problem. The constant personal attacks are not her problem.

[Jason]

Why don't you like pitbulls?
Because I was bit by one. That doesn't mean anything other than I personally don't care for them. I'm not saying they're bad. I'm not saying they should be banned. I'm not saying they are a dangerous breed or they're responsible for any disproportionate number of bites. I'm not saying anything other than I just don't care for them, and that's my opinion.

[luvmydogs]

i think everyone has their own opinions. there used to be a time where i didnt like pitts either, and thought they were killing machines, but i learned different. every dog can become viscious, its just that more and more people breed the pitts for dog fighting.....so i dont think theyre killing machines, and if they do bite someone, its their owners fault. like i said let them have their own opinions, but believe in what YOU think. thats all it matters. i wouldnt waste my time arguing.....now with the banning...they shouldnt ban the whole breed. they should have warrants for the owners not to own ANY kind of pet anymore. the ban is not fair. but i DO believe , that when they caught a "bad" dog, that has been trained to fight, and shows aggression it should be put to sleep. as with any other breed though. i don't see a difference. so wy waste your time with tryin to prove a point, if some people just dont believe in what we believe. i still love pits ;)

[gaddylovesdogs]

Well, I can understand not liking a breed because it causes pain to you.

[luvmydogs]

oh yea, if i was getting bit by one, id probably hate it too. but im saying, whats the point in arguing? everyone their own..ya know..

[luvmydogs]

Because I was bit by one. That doesn't mean anything other than I personally don't care for them. I'm not saying they're bad. I'm not saying they should be banned. I'm not saying they are a dangerous breed or they're responsible for any disproportionate number of bites. I'm not saying anything other than I just don't care for them, and that's my opinion.
and to be honest, i Do respect that opinion

[Jason]

and to be honest, i Do respect that opinion
Thank you. I do have to admit though, for GoldenOwner to take the time to create that graphic with the dog=gun, that was pretty funny.

[luvmydogs]

Thank you. I do have to admit though, for GoldenOwner to take the time to create that graphic with the dog=gun, that was pretty funny.
i thought it was silly, but hey if it amuses some people.lol . he/she knew that it would **** some people off. but like i said i dont take it to heart. i would never mess with chihuahuas, but some people do, some people dont. i dont see why there has to be a big debate about it, ya know.... :cool:

[bubbatd]

As a golden lover I known where she/he"s coming from. Obviously there is predijust here. You have to be mature to accept all breeds ..... each breed has a problem. that's why we're here to debate and educate. I too wonder at times why someone would chose a breed. But, I'm willing to listen ....not all breeds are right for all people. Open up the minds and help !

[pitbulliest]

I'm glad me and my evil child eating pitbull weren't here to witness this thread..she probably would have eaten a few of you by now...really...

*rolls eyes*

[blue]

Thank you. I do have to admit though, for GoldenOwner to take the time to create that graphic with the dog=gun, that was pretty funny.

And you think less of the time I took to make my graphic post?

[blue]

What does this
http://www.geocities.com/duffy7836/glock23-2.jpg

And Babe (Love I hope you dont mind)
http://tinypic.com/6i9yte.jpg

Have in common?



Get it yet?





Have a clue yet?



Hmmmm?






Niether my gun or Love's Babe are any danger to you or anybody!!!!!

And you think less of the time it took me to make my graphic point?

I took a pic of my loaded firearm in my hand and used Scars Babe to make my point. GO stole images possibly copyrighted to make his/her case. At least my graphic point/case was honest.

[blue]

That pic of Babe allways makes me smile...

[ZeroNAndresDad]

I know this is an old post but I figured i would say a few choice words.

Are Pitbulls my favorite breed? No doesent mean I don't like them their just not favorite. I love my sisters pitbulls their great with my kids. So I guess I find those loaded guns totally safe ;).

Blue Babe is 10 times cuter in person my youngest is constantly asking her aunt if Babe can come home with us lol.

[Renee750il]

Aw, Blue . . . you know we love your point and presentation - and it, like you, is an original!

[blue]

Thanks Renee.

Benji, Babe looks like a realy special girl.

[dexnleilaOH]

Oh, there was just a big discussion about all of this on the Petfinder message boards!! Reading these posts a little late, regardless I have to speak up. The OP was obviously a TROLL :rolleyes: Unfortunately they do exist and thrive on irritating others.
My aunt was fostering a Golden for a rescue in Ohio, her Golden Cody attacked and mauled the dog, it had to have extensive surgery. Cody also had the neighbor's Chi by the throat shaking him around like a rag doll. Cody was fine with the dogs in his pack, which were 2 other Goldens. Any other dogs were considered fair game, he was very dog aggressive.