Pomeranian litters? (who would Mcpupples look sexy with?)

[baby_tasha]

hey there, i first had posted because i was wondering what small breed was best to get, since then (my boyfriend said the only small breed hed own up to without being ashamed, was a pomeranian)

in any case my boyfriend picked out he most hellian male pom ever.

his name is Kiko Mcpupples, and he is quite the charector... he is 7/8 pomeranian and 1/8 australian shepard.

everywhere we go people fall in love with him, say hes the most beautifull dog they've ever seen, we've decided to breed him... so everyone grabs our number and makes us tell them when there on there way ( a year down the road)

Kiko is now 13 weeks old

my question is... i am uncertain what breed og girlfriend to buy him (yes were buying the girly)
im thinking another pom... which hopefully will still allow him to keep his beautiful shepard tri-colorings. But from what i have read (please correct me if im wrong, Poms have amazingly small litters)

- has anyone ever breeded pomeranian, how big was the litter?

i want to breed him with a pug perhaps, but they have major conjenital issues...

anyone have any sudgestions or links on pomeranian litter qauntity sites n links?

ill post his picture so u can get a better understanding of his looks

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/Baby_Tasha/96740021.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/Baby_Tasha/kiks.jpg

[Babyblue5290]

Your pup is very cute, but in my opinion you shouldn't breed mutts!!
If you want (or those people want) cute mixed puppies go to a shelter!

[baby_tasha]

very true, and i am quite all for shelters, truth be told there are two types of dog buyers, ones who insist on having a puppy, and people who want an adult dog... u can not find puppies (small breeds) in the shelters, at least not in b.c... i've tried

... in any case if i breed our friend here with a pomeranian, his babies would hardly be "muts"

... now some advice please, i looked into a shih-tzu...but still undecided.

[Babyblue5290]

Your not suppose to breed before they are 2 yrs old.

[mrose_s]

if u insist on breedin him, wait untill he grows up to check his looks then before you decide on another dog to get. And when/if you get another dog, get her from a shelter.

[Babyblue5290]

Plus you have to do a lot of health tests that are going to cost you alot!

[avenlee]

Dang, this makes me ill. Why can't you just enjoy your new puppy! Why do you have to think of breeding right away.


No way we can stop you but just wish you'd rethink it! And don't tell me its because everyone thinks he's cute because that's the MAIN reason NOT to breed.

And... "look sexy with??" geeesh I feel bad for your cute pup

arrrrgh

[nicco]

Amen to that avenlee!!!!

[bubbatd]

Another big ECHO!!!!! Geez !!! A 13 weeks old mixed breed pup and you are thinking of breeding ? Pleeeeeeeze rethink !

[mrose_s]

i can actually relate to the planning it now thing, i will get the slightest inkling og something exciting and just want it all planned exactly right then so it can strat happening

[gaddylovesdogs]

his babies would hardly be "muts"
LMBO! They'd be Pomeranian, Aussie and some other breed.

Neuter your dog and save lives.

[Rose's Gal]

Sorry, but your not going to find out what do to breed your mutt to on here, because we don't agree with it. We don't want to help someone do the wrong thing. Sorry.
But, if you wanted to learn how to breed responsibly, we'll be more than happy to help.
BTW, you shouldn't breed a dog just because people want puppies from it, or because he is "sexy". How much do you want to bet that the people who want that "cute" puppy are going to dump it when it starts peeing and chewing on everything, or it gets old and doesn't look like a puppy anymore, or it develops serious health problems that endanger its life?
A puppy isn't a cute little puppy when it gets older, and they aren't a cute little puppy when they start acting like one, and they aren't a cute little puppy when they are extreamly ill having to be but through surgeries and expensive meds because of ill breeding. So people that want a dog just because it is "cute" shouldn't have a dog, IMO. (Not yelling at you, but I've heard a lot of people tell me over the days, "I want a so and so breed because it is sooooooo cute!" Not once do they consider the personality or breed traits. That just ticks me off. :mad: )

[Fran27]

I'm going to have to agree here... Few reasons to not breed them :

- you're going to have to seperate them until they are at least 2 years old. If there is an accident meanwhile, and they mate, it could endanger the female to have a litter too young

- you didn't get a purebred dog, so chances are that they don't have the recognized traits of the breed, so you will get mutts

- depending on where you got the dogs (ie petshop), they might have health problems that will go to the puppies

- most responsible owners won't get a mutt from a backyard breeder, so your pups are likely to end up in the shelter

- there are way too many dogs in the shelter so they might end up getting killed

- not being neutered might cause cancer and other deadly diseases for your dogs

- dogs not neutered might get more agressive than if they were neutered


Finally, you can find LOTS of puppies in shelters or rescues... I just adopted one thanks to www.petfinder.com.

But anyway, if you really want to put the life of your dogs and the puppies are risk, I guess that whatever we say won't make you more reasonable.

[juliefurry]

I agree that you shouldn't breed a dog just because it's "cute". I, however, did get my mixed dog from a breeder though so I can't really bash anyone on wanting to purposely breed a mixed breed dog. Yes, the dog is cute, but when he grows older you may come to find he has a genetic disorder that shouldn't be passed on. If you breed him anyway that is not good for the puppies and chances are they will also carry the same disorder. Testing can be VERY expensive, not to mention to cost of raising a litter, and the time that you have to spend caring for the puppies (socializing). What if something should happen to the female will she delivering and she weren't around anymore? Would you be able to single handedly take care of the puppies yourself? Yeah it may be a long shot that something like that could happen but it does happen more than you would think. Also have you considered the price of a cesarian (lots of little dogs do get cesarians)? Do LOTS of research before you decide to breed, you have to weigh all your options and consider if it's worth breeding puppies.

[Fran27]

Julie, there is a difference between getting a mixed dog and breeding them.

[juliefurry]

that's what I am saying we PURPOSELY bought a mixed breed dog from a breeder. I wanted a pitbull but my husband didn't want to rescue one. So we had to go through a breeder and when we went to see the actually full pit puppies I fell in love with our Mack and they were purposely bred mixed.

[Fran27]

Yes but the parents were purebred, not mutts. The difference is probably not big in the intent of the breeding, but it's there. Just curious, although I think you mentionned it somewhere, but did they breed them on purpose? Were the parents in good health and tested etc?

[juliefurry]

yeah they bred the two on purpose, supposedly they had all the puppies a home and then people backed out and didn't want them anymore. The parents were tested for everything.

[Fran27]

Ok, so it's not that bad, at least in my opinion, especially if all the puppies already had a home.

[showpug]

if u insist on breedin him, wait untill he grows up to check his looks then before you decide on another dog to get. And when/if you get another dog, get her from a shelter.

Is this a joke? I can't believe you just recommended that they get the "mate" from a shelter. No good shelter would send a female out intact and for breeding purposes! How do you think she got there? From careless breeding and pet over-population...this concept makes me livid. :mad:

To the original poster: This makes me so sad that you are going to breed your puppy. Have you ever bred a litter? Do you have any idea what goes into breeding a litter? Are you willing to spend money on vet bills, c-section costs, and are you going to be home every 2 hours to bottle feed puppies if the mother can not, or if she dies during delivery? These are real possibilities! Are you willing to risk your new puppy urinating all over your house because he is not neutered...oh, and he has a great chance of getting testicular cancer. You mentioned breeding hime to a pug. Do you have any idea what can go wrong with pugs and delivery...do you realize about 1/2 of them always need a c-section to deliver. What if the female you choose does need a c-section? Are you willing to spend $1000 or more to deliver the pups...it could be 1 pup and it could die. Please think this over. Your dog is a mix and you want to purposeley want to breed mixes. This is so irresponsible on your behalf :mad: Do you realize that females should not ever be bred before 2 years of age??? Please, please make wise choices. Have you ever been to the shelters and seen all the dogs on death row. :confused:

[Fran27]

And yes, I don't think any shelter will ever let you have adopt a dog without a neutering contract.

[gaddylovesdogs]

And yes, I don't think any shelter will ever let you have adopt a dog without a neutering contract.
I've never known of a shelter that adopts a dog out without a spay/neuter contract. Colby's adoption papers clearly state that she must be spayed or they will take her back....we spayed her a few months after we adopted her from the shelter.

[Fran27]

Yes, we have to neuter Tips before 5 months too. I would have waited another month, but it's fine.

[showpug]

The shelters here spay and neuter BEFORE the dog or cat is allowed to leave. :)

[Babyblue5290]

The shelters here spay and neuter BEFORE the dog or cat is allowed to leave. :)
Same with the sheltershere. :)

[BigDog2191]

I'm pretty outraged about this... who would he look "sexy" with?

...settle down and rethink the situation... please.

[juliefurry]

Ok, guys. It's understandable to be annoyed but lets not jump down the poor girl's throat ok? She's obviously very proud of her puppy and think he would make a good pappa. Instead of yelling at her we could try a little bit of niceness and persuading her nicely to rethink her decision. I mean we are scaring quite a few new members away by being TOO mean. Yes we can be adiment about something but lets try helping her and not getting on her TOO bad! I don't know who I think I am saying this to everyone but I am just trying to get people like her to stay on so they can get help with their animals and hopefully see that breeding mixed breeds purposely isn't the right way to go and to get people to adopt from shelters and rescues would be a better option (for the person looking for an animal and also for the shelters).

[BagelDog]

SPAY YOUR DOG! She'll stay healthy that way. Like the other said, enjoy your dog. You want to risk her life like that? She could die giving birth, and get ovarian cancer if not spayed.

Go to an animal shelter. Look at the dogs. Say bye, because some wont make it, and its all because of people breeding there dogs for the cute little pups. Think puppies are cute? What about dead puppies? Still cute?

[gaddylovesdogs]

showpug -

I really think it varies from shelter-to-shelter. I have known shelters that will not allow an unneutered or unspayed dog to go to a home before it is fixed.

[BagelDog]

Yup, the shelter where I volunteer is like that. You have to sign a contract that says you will get the dog spayed or neutered within a certain amount of times, and get its shots and everything. Its only cost $15 for an adult dog, and $3 for a puppy since thats all so expensive, but they also give you a coupon. If you dont do all that they can issue a citation. I think its a good method.

[Babyblue5290]

Yup, the shelter where I volunteer is like that. You have to sign a contract that says you will get the dog spayed or neutered within a certain amount of times, and get its shots and everything. Its only cost $15 for an adult dog, and $3 for a puppy since thats all so expensive, but they also give you a coupon. If you dont do all that they can issue a citation. I think its a good method.

I think it's better to neuter the dogs before they leave the shelter.

[Love4Pits]

ok here i go and be ready its going to be long!

First off you should not breed a mutt just because he is cute and people love him. You said yourself he is a hellion. Does he have traits you really want to pass on to other dogs other then looks? Are you going to have him and the ***** health tested before even considering breeding? You better or you will most likely end up with sickley or deformed pups.

This is NOT reponsible breeding and so I cannot give you advice on which dog to add to the overpopulation of mutts in shelters. I don't beleive you have valid reasons for breeding. Being a responsible breeder of Siberian Huskies and Chins i would know. Thousands of dollars going into breeding one pair of dogs! Im just at a loss for words.

[bubbatd]

This pup is 2 years away from even thinking of breeding , so let's let it be and all help out. BTW.. our Humane Soc and Rescue groups also spay or neuter before going into adoption.

[BagelDog]

Yeah it is Babyblue, but its expensive to do and my shelter just doesnt have enough money to do that, and continue treating and saving the sick dogs instead of putting them down.

[Renee750il]

The shelters here also have a spay and neuter contract. Some of the local vets do it for a reduced fee that is included in the adoption cost. It works out very well and leaves more funds available for caring for the animals while they are in the shelter.

[BagelDog]

Exactally. They give adopters 'Snip coupons,' which can reduce the free of neutering to only $35. Its a good method, because they need to money to cure animals when most shelter would put them down.

[BigDog2191]

I don't think she liked our replies... she hasn't answered or anything...

[nicco]

You think? :rolleyes:

[juliefurry]

Yeah I think maybe she didn't like the way she was treated :( .

[bubbatd]

We were only honest with her....she asked a question ....we answered.

[gaddylovesdogs]

She asked for our opinions. We might've not be the nicest we could have been, but we gave her the honest truth.

And you can't expect people to be a little angered with "who would Mcpupples look s-xy with?) :rolleyes:

[BigDog2191]

LMAO!

True, Gaddy...

We kind of bombarded her with it but the way she asked... it sounds so annoying when I actually say it out loud...lol

[juliefurry]

That's true, I know. I just feel bad because she came looking for help. I'm sure if we would have been a little more...resourceful with our words we might have been able to change her mind. Who knows she probably will never be back on and breed him anyways (without any types of tests or thoughts of safety for the dogs).

[bubbatd]

Maybe time to close ???

[baby_tasha]

uhm no, the truth is i have a job and i dont get home till late... u ppl should watch ur words, there quite unecassary

im not a dayumed dog scientist, or researcher of the k-9 lifestyle. forgive me ... therpy is much needed for those of you whom have such strong attitude issues.

in any case i have decided to breed Kiko Mcpupples with a pomeranian... and thanks to those WHO ANSWERED WITH RESPECT!!!! (i will not buy his lady friend untill hes at least 2years of age, and her as well)

done and done.

[baby_tasha]

i just read ur reply to my sexy dog comment, u guys are truley unbelievable. i can refer to him as sexy, he is, im sure your girl dogs would agree... some of you have no spunk or life left in you, i didnt know puppies named Kiko Mcpupples were supposed to be profetional types :rolleyes:

[Fran27]

Oh well, told you we were wasting our time.

I have nothing against people who ask for advice, and are not very informed. It's people that ask for advice and totally ignore them that **** me off. I'm feeling sorry for your dogs.

[gaddylovesdogs]

OK, that's nice how you want to add to the millions of dogs out there that are being euthanized!! I see you care so much. <<*note the sarcasm*. I feel bad for your dog.

[showpug]

i just read ur reply to my sexy dog comment, u guys are truley unbelievable. i can refer to him as sexy, he is, im sure your girl dogs would agree... some of you have no spunk or life left in you, i didnt know puppies named Kiko Mcpupples were supposed to be profetional types :rolleyes:

Life is not always a party, and you are right...I don't have any spunk left in me when it comes to this subject. Sadly, I just have anger due to all the dogs that die everyday because people thought it would be "sexy" to breed their dogs. I don't feel badly about being passionate about something I care about. I know you will do what you do, and that is your right, I am just sorry your dogs have to be your experiment and ultimatley pay the price :(

[Love4Pits]

Just young and stupid and the dogs with suffer

[Gustav]

Toooo angry to say what I would like to without explicit language!!!! :mad: So this is where I depart!

[bubbatd]

Likewise, Gus. Ta Ta !!

[FatGuy]

I hope she never decides to breed.

[BigDog2191]

....

S--I can't...

...

I'm with you, Gustav.

[Renee750il]

Silliness is the culprit on this one. :rolleyes: She wasn't malicious or obnoxious; her approach was just really, really, REALLY silly sounding.

Julie's right, guys. This one might have been one who could have been persuaded to look at things differently. She wasn't a troll.

[Gustav]

Julie's right, guys. This one might have been one who could have been persuaded to look at things differently. She wasn't a troll.

Ok, yes maybe we could all have been a bit less harsh, but the original poster should have thought better of talking about breeding with such frivolity, it is sure to raise a few hackles!!
To be honest, I think the sexiest thing that could be seen with McPupples is a nice neat scar where he has been neutered.
I beg you to reconsider breeding, and to sick with us. We are just hypersensitive to the breeding issue. In light of this I have decided that this will be my last visit into any breeding debate, as you are as hung as a Sheep as you are as a Lamb!

[Fran27]

I don't think we could have changed my mind. Heck, I gave a whole list of the problems she might be getting, and obviously she doesn't care. Not much else we can do.

[BigDog2191]

Yeah, she's already made her decision... nothin' we can do, really.

[Renee750il]

She's got a long time to go and to think until then. I can only hope she's just caught up in the excitement of her pup and will do some considering over time. You never know, just dealing with a pup may be enough to make her decide she doesn't want to breed . . . after all, cleaning up poop and rescuing chewed personal items aren't exactly 'sexy' :p

[BagelDog]

*shakes head* sad sad sad. The only thing we can do is spay and neuter our dogs and keep trying with other people.

[showpug]

I hope this owner does reconsider...I guess I have become sour from my years in the vet clinic. I had to stand by and watch countless dogs and cats suffer because of their owners neglagence and/or ignorance. It was very hard then to keep my mouth shut then and I guess I am just ready to voice my opinion now. So many people with pets find "cuteness" as an excuse to do whatever they please. When I worked at the clinic I had to see a chi come in for a c-section and loose her puppies and then the owner handed her to me in a box the next day dead :( He was not a breeder and he just wanted money. He went on to buy more chis to breed because he was determined. Or how about the 9 year old lab that the owner decided to breed for money as well. She was brought into us early one morning with a dead puppy stuck and hanging out of her. It was rotten and the owner had just waited until he could get "around" to bringing her in for help. She still as most labs do looked at us adoringly and licked us as we tried to help her. How about the pregnant dog that was brought in 2 weeks overdue and so badly burned that we could not see her eyes etc. She was so badly burnt that her skin was flaking off in charred strips as we carried her to gas her down so we could at least try to save her puppies before she was euthanized. When we called the owner who was in the drive through ordering food to tell him her fate he told us that he did not want the puppies because he was not willing to bottle feed them. She delivered 14 healthy puppies via c-section...needless to say, the staff took as many as they could and the owner took the rest and put them on another female he had who had puppies to nurse. We never knew if they made it or not. He did not care, he just liked to breed, but if anything went wrong, he would just euthanise.

This is just a small sample of what I witnessed for 5 years of my life, so yes, it has hardened me and has made me sour. I am sick of seeing dogs suffer and owners that don't care. In fact, this is part of the reason I left the clinic, I could not take it anymore:mad:

[BigDog2191]

Well, your "sourness" which is not what I would call it--is most definitely excused.

[BagelDog]

I understand :( But its all we can do, try to educate people and if they listen they listen, if they dont, they dont. We tried our best.

[ToyPoodle]

hey there, i first had posted because i was wondering what small breed was best to get, since then (my boyfriend said the only small breed hed own up to without being ashamed, was a pomeranian)

in any case my boyfriend picked out he most hellian male pom ever.

his name is Kiko Mcpupples, and he is quite the charector... he is 7/8 pomeranian and 1/8 australian shepard.

everywhere we go people fall in love with him, say hes the most beautifull dog they've ever seen, we've decided to breed him... so everyone grabs our number and makes us tell them when there on there way ( a year down the road)

Kiko is now 13 weeks old

my question is... i am uncertain what breed og girlfriend to buy him (yes were buying the girly)
im thinking another pom... which hopefully will still allow him to keep his beautiful shepard tri-colorings. But from what i have read (please correct me if im wrong, Poms have amazingly small litters)

- has anyone ever breeded pomeranian, how big was the litter?

i want to breed him with a pug perhaps, but they have major conjenital issues...

anyone have any sudgestions or links on pomeranian litter qauntity sites n links?

ill post his picture so u can get a better understanding of his looks

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/Baby_Tasha/96740021.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/Baby_Tasha/kiks.jpg

Sorry to bust your bubble but that dog is not very cute maybe to you he is but to me nope.I'm not fond of cross breed dogs never have been never will be.You do know you won't be making any money breeding dogs matter of fact most breeders are luckly to cut even.Most of them even spend more you know how much it costs to successfully produce a healthy litter of puppies?.Are you prepared to spend $200 or more on a c section for the female if needed?.Then you have the feeding bill for dog,female,and puppies.Then at 6 weeks you have vaccations which won't be cheap.Then you have the problem of finding them homes.Most people once the puppy is out of its puppy stage they dumped it at the shelter or pound.Do you really want all this to happen?.You could also loss the mother and pups during birth and pomeranians are known to have alot of birthing problems.Are you prepared to hand feed the pups if the mother can't produce milk or its dryed up?.Then you have temperment issues if the dog has bad temperment its more then likely passed on to the pups same if the female has a temperment problem.You do know reputable breeders will not sell you a female to be used for breeding mutts.Matter of fact most breeders sell on a limited registration on a desexed contract.You ask for the dog to be on a main register they will be asking you alot of questions.Everyone on here is right you should first think of all this.If you really want to breed dogs why not breed purebreds instand of mutts.Most breeders are breeding to impove the breed where some are breeding for money.Seems like you have made a decision which i do not like but i hope you will think about it and not breed your mutt.

[gaddylovesdogs]

that dog is not very cute maybe to you he is but to me nope.I'm not fond of cross breed dogs never have been never will be.
OK, talk about rude! And not helpful.... :mad:

[Fran27]

Yeah.. There are less insulting ways of getting your point across.

[bridey_01]

A person who dislikes mix breeds in my opinion is a person who doesn't understand dogs. Parentage is not something you consider when you take something into your heart.

[nedim]

Dont let her get you frustrated. She has like 14 posts and chances are she wont be back to bother REAL dog lovers who dont discriminate.

[ashlees]

I think if you want to bred your dog, you should wait awhile, enjoy him and let him become an "adult" first. My opinion though, I think a pom would be the best match. Good luck.

[bubbatd]

I have nothing against mixed breeds except for those who breed them. If those want puppies, there are more than enough mixed breeds to go around at the HS. Every dog that isn't being bred for show quality or the betterment of the breed should be spayed or neutered. I painfully had to have my female goldens beautiful pups (8) removed and PD because of a stupid dogs sitter's mistake in letting my female in heat out. It wasn't her time to breed and it had to be either with her son or her father. I couldn't take the chance of bad genetics. Yes, it was expensive and hard to do. But as a responsible breeder, I had no choice.

[juliefurry]

Yeah that is a tough decision Bubbatd, but it was right. When I first got Hannah me and my husband went back and forth about breeding her and finally came to the right decision. We decided not to breed because she's a cute puppy but she's not a SHOW STOPPING lab. I mean she's just a normal lab and we wouldn't be helping the breed any by letting her breed. Plus not to mention the over abundance of lab and lab mixes in the surrounding shelters it just seemed unfair to those dogs that are stuck in shelters waiting for a family. Also there is the time and money issues, as well. I don't have the right amount of time to spend with newborn and very young puppies, and don't have the money to spend on shots and emergencies. Plus I don't want to risk something happening to my Hannah either.

[Fran27]

I have nothing against breeding either, my dream has always been to be a dog or cat breeder. But if I ever get to do it, I will get the best dogs I can. It's probably years and years away though...

[gaddylovesdogs]

It wasn't her time to breed and it had to be either with her son or her father.
In-breeding?!?

[bubbatd]

Unless another dog came into the yard, it had to be one of my 2 males....the sitter never fessed up. The female was in a large kennel and no way in or out unless gate openned . The vet said they were goldens. So it would have been in breeding.

[gaddylovesdogs]

I thought you meant that when it was "her time to be bred" that you would breed her to her son or her father.

[poeluvr]

yea she doesnt deserve our advice, but i understand her she probably doesnt know better, she was probably expecting help, and had no idea this breeding is bad, thought it would be ok, by us being mean it just made her defensive, and maybe even more determined in her way.
she is not coming back and this topic in my opinion does not deserve your guys clever, informative responses on someone whos not coming back

[bubbatd]

Geez no !!!!!!!! There's line breeding, but it has to back several pedigrees . I only let my females have 2 litters...2 or 3 years apart. I never could even line breed with any of my dogs.