View Full Version : Are there still GSD breeders...
PWCorgi
01-02-2008, 08:51 PM
...that are breeding dogs that look like this?
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/920.jpg
Source. (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/920.html)
Melissa_W
01-02-2008, 08:59 PM
If you find any, let me know!
jess2416
01-02-2008, 08:59 PM
If you find any, let me know!
Ditto ^^
Paige
01-02-2008, 09:01 PM
I third that. I'd love to own an older style GSD.
PWCorgi
01-02-2008, 09:05 PM
ROFL! So I guess that's probably a no :p
Yes.
I found a guy a few days ago with the most striking shepherd I've ever seen, I actually flagged him down at the park and asked where he got his dog from. I didn't recognize the name, probably from some local BYB, but WOW that dog was nice. Looked a lot like the dog in the photo, but he had a deeper chest.
PWCorgi
01-02-2008, 10:57 PM
Yes.
Ah, you give me hope!
If I find a breeder with dogs like this I don't care whether I'm completely ready to get another dog or not, I'm getting one!
Side note: There are some really, really good looking GSD's in shelters that I think look better than the show or working GSDs.
doberkim
01-02-2008, 11:04 PM
actually, if you want to know, that pretty much mirrors the structure of the current Seeing Eye breeding lines of GSD, except that I have found their muzzles to be a little more snipey, and the females lack some bone.
Renee750il
01-02-2008, 11:15 PM
One of the things about Bimmer that I find so striking is that he's so much like the old GSDs.
oc_spirit
01-03-2008, 12:27 AM
Check out kennels trying to breed the Alsatian look, they tend to look like that pic ;)
anna84
01-03-2008, 03:50 AM
I've been checking out working line kennels and I've seen more then a few dogs that looked like that. There so gorgeous
noludoru
01-03-2008, 05:03 AM
WOW. I would want a GSD like that. And I wouldn't care if it came from a BYB so long as there were no major health or temperament issues.
Lilavati
01-03-2008, 07:34 AM
Some of the kennels with European lines turn out dogs like that . . . especially the solid hind end.
Brattina88
01-03-2008, 08:49 AM
you could always check some shelters/pounds ;) lol
pafla
01-03-2008, 10:43 AM
Most GSD owned by army-police in Croatia look like that.Germany also has some working lines that look similar to that GSD.And yes the only GSD this days that I would consider owning would be from working lines and breed to look like that.
PWCorgi
01-03-2008, 11:11 AM
actually, if you want to know, that pretty much mirrors the structure of the current Seeing Eye breeding lines of GSD
I never even thought about that, though I doubt I'll ever be getting a dog from them, thanks!
Check out kennels trying to breed the Alsatian look, they tend to look like that pic
Will do! :D
you could always check some shelters/pounds
Honestly, that's most likely where I would get one :)
I've been checking out working line kennels and I've seen more then a few dogs that looked like that.
Germany also has some working lines that look similar to that GSD
If I went with a breeder it would probably be from working lines (or west german show lines, def. not American), but that would also mean waiting until I would be able to handle a working line dog.
BostonBanker
01-03-2008, 02:45 PM
Side note: There are some really, really good looking GSD's in shelters that I think look better than the show or working GSDs.
That's what I was going to say. I went with my friend yesterday to pick up three dogs that were turned into her rescue; two GSD and a ACD. The shepherds are STUNNING. I think she was told they were W. German imports. Both are six year old males, and have some of the nicest builds I've seen (well, in my opinion) on a shepherd. They have the sloping back, but not that extreme, funky hind-end thing. Besides which, they are housebroken, crate trained, and beautifully tempered.
PWCorgi - Want to come up to Vermont and get one? :D
I've noticed this as well and it confuses me. As against BYBing as I am...sometimes they have the better looking dogs. My cousin's GSD is a fabulous looking dog and his pedigree isn't anything worth looking at. This is not a recommendation for BYB's, but it's...interesting...
It's probably because the more "extreme" structural aspects of the show GSD are easy to lose if they aren't selected for in most breedings, Zoom.
But even the heads are nice...many-most BYB's have very thin, snipey looking heads or funky muzzles...dunnos. Mysteries of breeding I guess.
PWCorgi
01-03-2008, 03:40 PM
PWCorgi - Want to come up to Vermont and get one?
Uhhh, yea!
I went with my friend yesterday to pick up three dogs that were turned into her rescue; two GSD and a ACD. The shepherds are STUNNING. I think she was told they were W. German imports. Both are six year old males, and have some of the nicest builds I've seen (well, in my opinion) on a shepherd. They have the sloping back, but not that extreme, funky hind-end thing. Besides which, they are housebroken, crate trained, and beautifully tempered.
I hate you so, so much right now :p
showpug
01-03-2008, 04:29 PM
I am NOT saying this is a good breeder, but they have dogs that look like your pic. On the girls page, scroll towards the middle and there are a couple and then towards the bottom:
http://www.holtzbergk9.com/The_Girls.html
showpug
01-03-2008, 04:46 PM
And one more...
Again, I can't comment on the quality of the breeder -
http://www.minternsgermanshepherds.com/
SummerRiot
01-03-2008, 04:46 PM
I actually know of a GSD breeder that breeds her dogs for working purposes and they have the correct structure like that. I HATE the look of the sloping backed GSDs.
I'll actually be the handler for this breeder in the conformation ring so we'll see how her dogs do against the "show lined" ski hills in the ring.
A lot of the Czech lined GSDs still have the working structure like that as well.
PWCorgi
01-03-2008, 04:50 PM
A lot of the Czech lined GSDs still have the working structure like that as well.
Yea, but from what I've heard about czech lines I think I'd go insane owning one!
Thanks showpug! I'll look at those links as soon as my computer decides to go faster than the speed of smell again, lol.
Sapphire-Light
01-03-2008, 06:22 PM
Yea, but from what I've heard about czech lines I think I'd go insane owning one!
Thanks showpug! I'll look at those links as soon as my computer decides to go faster than the speed of smell again, lol.
I s the czech line different in behaviour?
I hope to have a west line female one day. :D
PWCorgi
01-03-2008, 06:33 PM
I s the czech line different in behaviour?
From what I've heard (and I could be completely wrong) they have extremely high working drives and just want to work all the time and never let their guard down.
I'd be looking for something more along the lines of West German show lines (from what DanL says about them anyway), but I'm sure I'm not going to find a dog that looks like the kind I want in show lines.
CelticxConnections
01-03-2008, 07:00 PM
WANT!
Okay, apperently this dog left 600+ decendents in Germany. He wasn't so well liked in the US because he was a smaller dog. Something tells me that his decendents wouldn't look to much like him though.
Looking at some of these older types I see a lot of dogs that look like Duke, if his hips where about an inch lower. I saw this dog (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/417697.jpg) and thought of him right away.
I don't know of any good breeders who breed dogs like this saddly. I might end up doing it when I get my own house though.
showdawgz
01-03-2008, 08:14 PM
I s the czech line different in behaviour?
I hope to have a west line female one day. :D
Czech line shepherds tend to be very sharp and have high civil drive.
GSD's tend to be thicker than the original picture with deeper chests, but it is NOT hard to find one with good, old school structure.
One of the guys who comes to our club has a Czech line dog. They mature VERY slowly and are highly defensive. Most of the time when you have a dog that was bred for border patrol type duties, they are lower in prey drive and higher in defense, which develops slowly. This guy's dog is a year old and shows no prey drive at all, and no defense yet. Yet his parents are police dogs- so the ability is there, just slow to develop.
You can also find this kind of structure in the DDR type GSD's. We have one of those at our club as well. He's a lot smaller than Gunnar both in weight and height but he's a badass dog! 100% working line breeding, most of his breeders dogs go for police/military/prison work.
blackmaskrott
01-04-2008, 11:24 PM
You will never see a working shepherd running down on it's hocks the way you see them in the show ring. It completely baffles me why anyone would deliberately breed for a week rear end. (Over angulated, long in hock, and most are either cow hocked or cycle hocked.) In my breed it is all about proper structure and angulation and the dogs ability to do the job it was bred for. It should be no different in any other breed. The "style" (I am not saying type here because I think the current show GSD lack in rear assembly type/structure). The "style" of show GSD that you see in the ring these days could never stay sound in serious Schutzhund trialing nor could they work all day herding, the job for which they were bred for. I think it is absolutely pitiful. The GSD's are not the only breed being ruined by us humans. Bull Dogs are another example. Why anyone would manipulate a breed so much that they can't even reproduce naturally without human intervention, is beyond me.
One would need to go to a breeder that concentrates their efforts in producing proper working GSD's, but along with superior structure comes a heightened prey drive. Not necessarily suited for the average pet home.
PWCorgi
01-05-2008, 09:17 AM
One would need to go to a breeder that concentrates their efforts in producing proper working GSD's, but along with superior structure comes a heightened prey drive. Not necessarily suited for the average pet home.
Yeah, that's why I'm probably going to go with a GSD from a shelter :)
I would love to get into something like Shutzhund or PP someday, but I think I'll need a lot more dog experience before I venture into something like that.
Thanks for the input everybody :)
showdawgz
01-06-2008, 01:22 AM
One of the guys who comes to our club has a Czech line dog. They mature VERY slowly and are highly defensive. Most of the time when you have a dog that was bred for border patrol type duties, they are lower in prey drive and higher in defense, which develops slowly. This guy's dog is a year old and shows no prey drive at all, and no defense yet. Yet his parents are police dogs- so the ability is there, just slow to develop.
You can also find this kind of structure in the DDR type GSD's. We have one of those at our club as well. He's a lot smaller than Gunnar both in weight and height but he's a badass dog! 100% working line breeding, most of his breeders dogs go for police/military/prison work.
My czech males have INTENSE prey drive (well I should say play drive, they never chase animals, they just stalk them, but if anything in my hands that move has no chance). And from what I've seen and experienced their defense drives are present at a very young age. Like my nieces dog (who is a czech male) went for a toy my friend was holding, my friend got spooked because of his intensity and started kicking in a panic (not trying to actually kick him) and he went right into defense and went for her with no hesitation. It was not a fear bite, we were in an huge backyard with lots of room for him to flight if he wanted to.
DDR shepherds tend to have more substance, bone and HUGE heads, I LOVE LOVE LOVE their monster heads.
Sapphire-Light
01-06-2008, 10:16 AM
You will never see a working shepherd running down on it's hocks the way you see them in the show ring. It completely baffles me why anyone would deliberately breed for a week rear end. (Over angulated, long in hock, and most are either cow hocked or cycle hocked.) In my breed it is all about proper structure and angulation and the dogs ability to do the job it was bred for. It should be no different in any other breed. The "style" (I am not saying type here because I think the current show GSD lack in rear assembly type/structure). The "style" of show GSD that you see in the ring these days could never stay sound in serious Schutzhund trialing nor could they work all day herding, the job for which they were bred for. I think it is absolutely pitiful. The GSD's are not the only breed being ruined by us humans. Bull Dogs are another example. Why anyone would manipulate a breed so much that they can't even reproduce naturally without human intervention, is beyond me.
One would need to go to a breeder that concentrates their efforts in producing proper working GSD's, but along with superior structure comes a heightened prey drive. Not necessarily suited for the average pet home.
That's why most of the FCI GSD breeders whants the AKC GSD to be a separete breed, and they are not allowed to be in FCI pedigree anymore.
Many serius west show lines have dogs with SCH titles.
Even the west German show lines are getting gross. So many of those dogs have horrible roach backs. It's just as bad, in a different way, as the angulated back ends of American show dogs.
Personally, I really like the build and temperament of the DDR working lines. Really sturdy and lean, VERY athletic, and german shepherd style drivey. Not as intense as some of the Czech dogs. Anko was from DDR working lines, and what I would consider ideal for a working shepherd.
The roach back doesn't affect their ability to be active for hours at a time though. Those dogs still have some working ability. Even if some of them are pushed thru a title and politics play into it, getting a Sch3 isn't an easy task.
Sturdy, lean, and athletic have as much to do with environment as breeding. Let any dog sit around, it's going to be out of shape. Feed him too much, he's not going to be lean. Gunnar is West German show lines, and he's as athletic as the DDR dog at our club yet he's got 20lbs and a couple inches in height on him.
Here is Yago- he's from a breeder who specializes in police dogs. He's a badass, that's for sure, highly defensive, high drive. He weighs about 70lbs and is 24" at most.
http://gainesfarmandkennels.com/db5/00435/gainesfarmandkennels.com/_uimages/K-9TrainingNovember42007016.jpg
Compare with Gunnar:
http://home.comcast.net/~ac88s/dec07k9/43.jpg
No roach back here....
http://home.comcast.net/~ac88s/compare/3yr2.jpg
anna84
01-07-2008, 11:55 AM
I don't comment that often but honestly DanL I look at everything you post. These shots are awesome.
There is alot of difference in temperament/drives etc within the differing lines of gsd's.
I've had American lines, (he was a big couch potatoe:)) , ddr lines & czech. Personally I like the DDR dogs and if they have some czech thrown in, I'm happy to.
My czech female was a great learning experience even tho I'd had GSD's my whole life.
She was a definite challenge that I really enjoyed.
Even today, at 12, and with rotten knees, she still rules the roost and is pretty active.
My DDR male, is now 11 and you'd never know it by looking/watching him. they are definately slow maturer's in my opinion but I've found him pretty easy to live with and a joy to train. Very biddable and eager. Some will disagree re: biddability in the ddr dogs, but he is my 2nd one, and both were easy trainers.
When anyone asks me 'where to get a good shepherd',,you just have to do your homework. There are certainly MANY out there, in ALL lines. Temperament and Health are the most important factors for me, the rest falls into place.
DANL _ gorgeous dogs, and Gunnar is stunning :)))
diane
Holy cow Dan that DDR boy isn't much bigger than my male BC.
Great shots, definitely an interesting comparison.
RD he does look small but he's not too far off the scale. He's got a nice head, he's very lean and athletic, and full of energy. He certainly makes up for size with speed and tenacity. I wouldn't set foot onto his property that's for sure.
anna and jynx, thanks!
Renee750il
01-08-2008, 12:56 PM
Holy cow Dan that DDR boy isn't much bigger than my male BC.
Great shots, definitely an interesting comparison.
That's the size that GSDs were supposed to be at one time, Grace. Until we bought into the whole bigger is better thing and started supersizing breeds . . . kinda like the idiots out there who are breeding 200 lb + Filas :rolleyes:
Rosefern
01-11-2008, 04:04 PM
Tigger and Rover look like the picture in the OP. Although Rover has a little bit deeper chest...
They are both from a rescue organization...
-Rosefern
PWCorgi
01-11-2008, 05:38 PM
Thanks again for the replies guys!
Excuse my stupidity, but what does DDR (all I can think of is Dance Dance Revolution, and I'm pretty sure that's not it ;)) stand for? :)
Amstaffer
01-11-2008, 06:15 PM
No roach back here....
http://home.comcast.net/~ac88s/compare/3yr2.jpg
Gunnar is a great looking dog IMHO
I am a Bully guy but that is a great picture
My Oski looks like the picture posted IMO...and I am always having people ask me if he is pure bred because he doesn't have the sloping back and he is finer boned....he is still only 1yr and 6months so he has some filling out to do but he also has Czech lines in him and is very fast and loves chasing frisbees...but like DanL said, he isn't very interested in prey...he will stalk at them if they are close by, but if he sees a rabbit or squirrel in the woods behind us, he could care less. Here is recent picture from this winter:
http://i12.tinypic.com/7xchi87.jpg
The breeders that I got him from are from Flint, Mi....Their last name is Wheeler...I dont' know if they have a website or not though, but their dogs pedigree generations are on the OFA website. Oh and he only weighs about 75 lbs too which is considered small for a male now a days.
Bahamutt99
01-12-2008, 01:16 AM
Excuse my stupidity, but what does DDR (all I can think of is Dance Dance Revolution, and I'm pretty sure that's not it ;)) stand for? :)
:lol-sign: Me, too. I was going to make a DDR joke, but you beat me to it. Show me a GSD that can do this, and I'll buy him.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0gh6hzs_7Kc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uysU7cTgk5c
fillyone
01-12-2008, 01:49 AM
DDR is Deutsches Demokratische Republik otherwise known as East Germany
Gunnar is a great looking dog IMHO
I am a Bully guy but that is a great picture
Thanks Amstaffer! He was eyeing the decoy who was behind some wire spools yelling at him. The decoys are funny. "I'm not scared of you, and I'm not scared of your dog!"