just want to share pictures of my saint pups

[ycarus_01]

elo guys just thought u myt want to see my pups.

http://community.webshots.com/user/denjo_00

[Fran27]

They're really cute, but why are they in a cage? :(

[showpug]

Sorry, but these dogs are living in poor dirty conditions and don't look happy. Dogs should not be caged or tied up :(

[gaddylovesdogs]

I'm wondering why they are caged and tied also...I have no problem with dogs being crated or tied up for short periods of time, but that cage looks awfully dirty and the area where the dog is chained looks sort of gross also.... :(

[juliefurry]

Oh, thank God I'm not the only one thinking this. I was just going to pass this thread by instead of saying something that maybe others wouldn't back me up on. Atleast I know other people were thinking the same. The second I saw the pictures I was just like "oh this doesn't look right at all".

[Twilight]

:eek: wow that has shocked me!! :(
My dad is a very good registered breeder, his pups are brought up in a family home, NEVER ever put in a cage, and deffinately NOT tied up!! Both the parents are pets and sleep in his house and on his bed, and are very much part of the family!
Puppies need lots of socialising and care, and to me this just looks like a classic case of Back yard breeding :(

sorry if it sounds harsh but this is not right

[juliefurry]

that's how I thought to, that pups are usually brought up in a home enviroment.

[luvmydogs]

elo guys just thought u myt want to see my pups.

http://community.webshots.com/user/denjo_00
do your african lovebirds talk? theyre adorable. theyre cute!!!!!! except the dogs...its terrible to let them live in an environment like that!!!!!!!and then chained up and caged!?!??! OH MY!!!! i am pissed off!!!

[Richie12345]

well, I'm glad people are thinking this way. As much as I love your dogs, they are not in the cleanest place. I do not understand dogs as much as breeders do, but they don't seem to look the happiest either. Every dog I have seen are full of energy and exteremly hard to take pictures of (they are excercised daily, and live in a big backyard). I don't mean to be rude but they seem pretty lonely. Do you excercise them daily? For how long?

[showpug]

Usually pictures turn out better when they are not taken through prison bars :mad: Just a thought :confused:

On another note, when I look closley at the nursing Saint mom she looks pretty thin. Sure hope she is getting enough nourishment to feed that large body and those puppies. :(

[gaddylovesdogs]

I don't mean to sound racist - I am completely against racism and it bugs the heck out of me - but there was a picture of an oriental woman. Saint Bernards are often used as meat in China...

[Fran27]

Well I believe that they are not allowed to let dogs outside in China, from what I read on another forum. So I guess it would explain why they are in a cage, but it's still pretty sad for the dogs :(

[showpug]

I don't think that keeping dogs inside or outside is an excuse for such poor conditions. If you are going to have and/or breed dogs, you need to build a decent facility....even if it is inside. :( This place looks like a dungeon! :mad:

[Fran27]

Yes, I totally agree. I was just saying that, if she's really living in China or another oriental country, they just don't see pets the way we do.

[showpug]

I know, you are right. It is just hard to see. :(

[Love4Pits]

I agree with all above these are very poor conditions

[beagle_lovergirl]

I also agree (I must be like the 7th person who agrees)

[juliefurry]

I'm sure most everyone would agree that these are very bad conditions to have your dogs in. It's amazing that they can get away with treating their dogs like this.

[frokenvin]

do your african lovebirds talk? theyre adorable. theyre cute!!!!!! except the dogs...its terrible to let them live in an environment like that!!!!!!!and then chained up and caged!?!??! OH MY!!!! i am pissed off!!!


Most information I've read states that lovebirds "cannot" talk. However, my Fischer's Lovebird, Maria, is definatly making attempts. She seems to be trying to sound out "pretty" as of late... oh how sweet.

As for the photos of the dogs... Indeed, those dogs look miserable! One photo depicts the dog as feeling very cold and isolated.

What's going on here?

[Love4Pits]

Also being a breeder myself. It is not normal for those puppies to be constantly covered in what looks like urine (if you look their coats in some spots are stained yellow :(). Also I hate your "welping box" the grates in the bottom of the kennel are a good way for those puppies to break a leg or paw. Real safe. Im surprised you havent been reported.

[Fran27]

Just a reminder guys, she might not know better. We all agree that these are bad conditions for a dog indeed, but don't be too harsh about the poster, as I said, she might live in a country where they don't have the same notion of how a dog should live. I'm not saying it's right in absolute, but it might just be a different culture.

I go to another forum where a really nice girl from China posted, and was curious about how life is for dogs here. She posted that dogs are not allowed to go outside there. I can't imagine how it is for the dogs, but for them it's normal , and it's not like they have a choice. So please, keep that in mind before judging.

[showpug]

Fran27....I do agree and I think in this case you may be right. It is hard to step away from our own prospective at times, especially when something we care about is at stake. I guess if indeed you are right, it's a no win situation :(

[gaddylovesdogs]

I'm not judging. People have their own views, countries have their own views. I treat my dogs like big furry royalty, LOL. Not all people do, and it's fine with me if they don't spoil their dogs to pieces - they don't have to - but I see a problem with keeping them in conditions such as this.

[Love4Pits]

I just see it as if I lived in china and i knew i could'nt treat a dog the way i felt it should be treated I would'nt own a dog. Sorry but thats my veiw on it

[Fran27]

You don't know that. It's not the same culture at all.

[beagle_lovergirl]

Actually guys, her profile say she lives in San Diego.

[showpug]

Just curious, but it looks like the original poster removed the pictures from her link of all the caged and tied dogs. The Love Birds and the saint puppies being held are the only pictures that remain. Makes me wonder.... :confused:

[Fran27]

Well if she's in San Diego, that's definitely really bad. I wouldn't be surprised if she removed the pictures because of what we replied, I just wish she would give the dogs away to good homes as easily as she removed the pictures :mad: Obviously she's a back yard breeder who doesn't care about the dogs at all.

Screw this, I'm going to post what I think on her guestbook :mad:

[beagle_lovergirl]

Exactly what I thought Fran

[nedim]

Just curious, but it looks like the original poster removed the pictures from her link of all the caged and tied dogs. The Love Birds and the saint puppies being held are the only pictures that remain. Makes me wonder.... :confused:


I was wondering about that....

[gaddylovesdogs]

Whein I first came to this thread, she had no location....

ycarus -

We aren't trying to be mean, we just want to know why your dogs are living is such poor conditions. :(

[Love4Pits]

I don even care anymore what this person thinks of what i have said yes its a different culture but it doesent mean im going to keep quiet. Also the fact that they might live in San Diego.

[juliefurry]

Even if they did live in a different culture that required the dogs to be kenneled and chained they could still provide more sanitary conditions for the dogs. They could have constructed safer cages that were comfier for the animals. And the dog that was chained could have had a longer chain maybe a better dog house with something to occupy his time with. I didn't see anything these dogs could play with or occupy themselves with, I always leave my dogs with a toy when I kennel them for any period of time so they don't get TOO bored.

[Fran27]

I got a PM about this. It was the poster's boyfriend, saying that the dogs were only kept in a kennel after a bath, and that's when they took the pictures, and that that one was broken too. The rest of the time they are in the yard and the house. I just replied what I think, that is that she could have explained it to us, because if it's right it's not a big deal to keep a dog in a cage like this for one hour, in my opinion.

I perfectly understand that people can get offended when they come to the forums, because we are all so passionate, but we're not narrow minded either and we do accept explanations, and I think it's a very valid one, so I don't understand why she got so upset and got rid of the pics.

Thoughts?

[nedim]

Maybe she was afraid of possibly being reported?

[Twilight]

I think its also the fact that the puppies are also pictured in the same cage that the adult was previousley in!!
so why would the pups be in there?

[gaddylovesdogs]

I can't say I believe that that is the truth. All the pictures of those saints was in a cage. There was no bedding other than what looks like a very uncomfortable plastic mat, with a shirt and a little bit a newspaper, and the dog is nursing her puppies on that.

I wish she would just come back and explain, that would make things much easier for her and for us. I know it's easy to get offended, but I don't think anyone here is trying to offend her, we're just letting her know what we think. We're dog lovers, and it upsets us to see dogs in these conditions.

[Love4Pits]

I got a PM about this. It was the poster's boyfriend, saying that the dogs were only kept in a kennel after a bath, and that's when they took the pictures, and that that one was broken too. The rest of the time they are in the yard and the house. I just replied what I think, that is that she could have explained it to us, because if it's right it's not a big deal to keep a dog in a cage like this for one hour, in my opinion.

I perfectly understand that people can get offended when they come to the forums, because we are all so passionate, but we're not narrow minded either and we do accept explanations, and I think it's a very valid one, so I don't understand why she got so upset and got rid of the pics.

Thoughts?
Those pups did'nt look so clean to me. I think its a lie but hey thats me most people would'nt want to photograph their puppies in a cage if thats not how they normally live. But hey I guess im just weird or something. Their Birds did'nt look in the best condition either in my opinion. These are just my thoughts on the matter not trying tp upset anyone since thoughts were asked for.

[juliefurry]

[QUOTE=Love4Pits] most people would'nt want to photograph their puppies in a cage if thats not how they normally live. QUOTE]

I agree, I would much rather get shots of my dog in the enviroment that they live in. And the fact that she didn't come back and explain herself in the beginning makes me a little more suspicious of the whole thing.

[Fran27]

Yeah I agree, that and the fact that she deleted everything instead of explaining herself. I don't know about you, but if I was accused of being cruel to my pets I would post right away to defend myself. The boyfriend hasn't answered me anyway...

[Saintgirl]

I haven't posted on this forum for ages, I just decided to have a quick look and read some of the posts that have been made because I enjoy the dedication that the dog lovers here have. To start- I am glad that I am not able to see the pictures of these pups, I am already upset enough by hearing the conditions of these dogs as is. Seeing those pics would have upset me even further....
Saint Bernard puppies like ALL other breeds require socialization, but these guys need it even more so than some other breeds. A full grown male can reach weights of 180lbs and more. It is irresponsible to not have these pups growing up around constant human companionship to begin the socialization process. Imagine the damage an adult Saint can produce if weary and scared of people. Because of the Beethoven movies their has been a major increase in the backyard breeders of Saints, and thus the temperment of the Saint has been going terribly down hill. These dogs are the gentle giants of dogs WHEN BREED AND RAISED CORRECTLEY!!!! However, it is the back yard breeders and puppy mills that have managed to get Saint Bernards on the top ten list of aggressive dogs in the United States. Shame on them!!! Dirty cages are not appropriate for any dog.
I also wonder if the living environment is clearly unexeptable that the proper nutrition levels for the dogs are questionable. It is extremely vital that these dogs meet more than the minimum requirement for nutrition. They grow at extreme rates and without adequete nutrition joint and bone problems, which Saints are already predisposed for, WILL OCCUR, creating terrible heartbreak for the future owner of the Saint pup.
And last, if they keep the pups contained in soiled crates what kind of homes will be found for the pups, any old Joe??? Saint Bernard pups are adorable like all puppies, but the average person does not want a giant, drooling, shedding, expensive to care for, drooling, time consuming, and oh yeah- DROOLING!!!! adult to share their lives with. This is why Saints have one of the highest percentages per breed of rehoming later in their lives.

Like all breeding, only those who have the most knowledge and dedication to the breed in attempts to better the breed should EVER persue breeding. Breeding isn't for fun, and because puppies are cute. Breeding is a full time, money consuming, HARD job where the lives of the dogs must be thought of for the full duration of the dogs life!

Sorry about my rant. It kills me to see my fav breed being compromised. I know all too well the misery these dogs can go through once they are not the cute little pups they are when they initially come home.

[Renee750il]

The site now says no albums are available for public display. Maybe she really had no concept of what she was doing and is now ashamed and doesn't want others to see. We can hope that's what happened and maybe she's cleaning things up and trying to improve things . . .

Taking down all the photos does make me wonder if she is embarrassed now that the appalling conditions have been pointed out.

[Fran27]

The boyfriend said she removed everything because she was upset. Who knows.

[showpug]

I got a PM about this. It was the poster's boyfriend, saying that the dogs were only kept in a kennel after a bath, and that's when they took the pictures, and that that one was broken too. The rest of the time they are in the yard and the house. I just replied what I think, that is that she could have explained it to us, because if it's right it's not a big deal to keep a dog in a cage like this for one hour, in my opinion.

I perfectly understand that people can get offended when they come to the forums, because we are all so passionate, but we're not narrow minded either and we do accept explanations, and I think it's a very valid one, so I don't understand why she got so upset and got rid of the pics.

Thoughts?

I don't buy it for one second!! Even the litters of puppies were in these conditions. The dogs were NOT after-bath clean and what about the one that was staked out in the mud?? hmmmm, explain that one. These people have a lot to hide and they are making up stories to cover it up now that their tails are tucked :mad: Not to mention the dogs expression...they all looked very sad and spiritless. That is no saint. Saints have a sweet, loving and somewhat droopy expression. These saints looked as if there was nothing left to give because their basic needs were barely being met. Saints are a rescue breed, and they need human companionship. I feel very bad for these dogs. :(

[Fran27]

I admit I missed the pics with the puppies in the cage too. Poor dogs :(