what is the largest non shedding, or low shedding dog?

[fordraceing_man]

I know all dogs shed a little, but some hardly shed at all, whats the biggest non shedding bred out there? is it the giant schnauzer?

[darkchild16]

Standard Poodle , Schnauzer, Black Russian or most of the wired hair breeds im geussing

[nicco]

or the giant poodle...

[MafiaPrincess]

or the giant poodle...

That's the standard poodle mentioned above ;)

[Saintgirl]

A black russian terrier has minimal shedding. Beautiful big dogs!

[darkchild16]

Just an attitude to reckon with ^^^^^

[MafiaPrincess]

Hahaha true enough.. They aren't for everyone.

[darkchild16]

Oh no i helped a lady that showed them once and they were my type of dog LOL.

[MafiaPrincess]

I love them.. I've only met one in real life yet though. I can just see they wouldn't be for everyone.

[darkchild16]

Me too I would never own one though just because One where I live a huge black athletic dog is not ideal and I have to many I want already LOL

[MafiaPrincess]

I hear you on the wanting too many.. It's bad when you have a puppy and are thinking about future dogs already, and how to accomplish getting to own each on the top of your list without having a huge zoo all at once ;)

[nicco]

That's the standard poodle mentioned above ;)

I didn't see it...maybe we post it at the same time...

[darkchild16]

MP thats why i plan on haveing a 100 acre farm ;)

[MafiaPrincess]

ooh you are right Nicco.. you and the person above you did post at the same time, lol.

Ahhh that's totally what I need.. Nice ranch in the middle of nowhere and like 8 dogs ;)

[darkchild16]

Mine will be more like 10 LOL Cuz i will haev house dogs and working dogs.

[HoundedByHounds]

I don't think Komodorok shed...they are QUITE large dogs.

[darkchild16]

IM not sure I know they are high maintence though

[Lilavati]

IM not sure I know they are high maintence though

Yeah, but you could probably keep them in a puppy clip, just like a poodle. If you didn't care about the cording, I suspect they'd be just like a poodle, which isn't that bad.

[fordraceing_man]

that BRT dog is a pretty calm dog though?
a lot bigger then a giant schnauzer?

right now i have two boxers i love to death, im just looking for my next breed, a must is a non shedding dog first off all, i can't stand all this hair from the boxers, i hate it.
second i would like something a little more calm and something with a little bit more guard in it.

[darkchild16]

Here is the FCI standard for the BRT. They are used in SCH. and as gaurd dogs they were originally developed by the former Russian Red Army to guard military installations, border troops, prison camps, penal colonies and police forces etc. They required a dog able to work independently and to withstand various climatic conditions. They require a dog experienced owner. They have a high activity level and it wary of strangers. THEY ARE NOT A DOG FOR EVERYONE



GENERAL APPEARANCE: The size of the Black Terriers is larger than an average dog. Black Terriers are strong, with massive bone structure and well-developed muscles. The skin is tight and elastic, without any folds or dewlap.Dogs of this breed are assertive, wary of strangers and resistant; they adjust easily to different climates. The Black Terrier must yield to training.



PHYSICAL APPEARANCE: Robust and rustic.
Faults: Feeble or fragile appearance, insufficient muscle tone.
Major faults: Light bone structure, weak muscle tone, frail and weak constitution.

INDEX OF THE FORMUT: The proportion of the length of the body vs. the height at the withers is 100 : 105.
Faults: Format slightly too large (106 : 108)
Major faults: Format too large (in excess of 108)



HEIGHT AT THE WITHERS: Male dogs : 25.7 - 28.1 inches (66 - 72 cm) Bitches : 25.0 - 27.3 inches (64 - 70 cm).
Faults: Slightly leggy or short on the legs. Height at withers of male dogs below 25.7 inches (66 cm) or above 28.1 inches (72 cm); height at the withers of bitches below 25.0 inches (64 cm) or above 27.3 inches (70 cm).
Major faults: Rump set too high or withers too low. Height at withers of male dogs below 25.4 inches (65 cm) or above 28.9 inches (74 cm); height at withers of bitches below 24.6 inches (63 cm) or above 28.1 inches (72 cm).

Behavior/Temperament: Extremely energetic, hardy, stable temperament, but very lively, with strong reactions of defence.
Faults: Timid, excessively excitable, passive.
Major faults: Fearful, extremely excitable, extremely passive.



CHARACTERISTICS TYPICAL FOR EACH SEX: Clearly expressed, depending on the sex. Male dogs are of greater size, more masculine and more massive than bitches.
Faults: Minor deviation from the required sexual characteristics.
Major faults: Strong deviation from the required characteristics. Male with a feminine appearance or vice versa.



COAT: The hair is rough, hard, ample and extremely dense. The broken's hair length is between 1.6 and 3.9 inches (4 - 10 cm) and covers the entire body. On the muzzle, the coat forms a rough, brushy moustache on the upper lip and a beard on the lower lip. Above the eyes, the eyebrows are rough and bristled. On the neck and the withers, the coat is longer and forms a mane. The forelegs down until the elbows and the hind legs until the thighs are covered by a rough and long coat. The undercoat is dense and well-developed.
Faults: Straight hair, not broken. Wavy hair, soft hair, hair longer than 3.9 inches (10 cm). Insufficient formation of moustache, beard or eyebrows. Frizzy hair.
Major faults: Hair too long (in excess of 5.9 inches (15 cm),soft hair, falling hair, short hair, smooth hair; absence of coat developments on head or legs.



COLOUR: Black or black with grey hairs.
Faults: Brown or grey shadings, small white spot on chest.
Major faults: Brown or grey coat, reddish patches; white spots on chin, head, neck and legs.



HEAD: Long and moderately narrow skull with well-rounded cheekbones. The forehead is flat. The stop is marked but not too pronounced. The muzzle is parallel with the topline of the skull. The muzzle is massive, slightly tapering. The length of the muzzle is slightly less than the length of the skull. The moustache and the beard give the muzzle a truncated and square appearance. The lips are thick and full. The upper lip is adjusted to the line of the lower jaw without forming flews.
Faults: Head too small, forehead rounded, stop hardly marked or excessively pronounced, protruding cheekbones, soft lips.
Major faults: Coarse head, too light or too heavy, rounded head; muzzle short, pointed or turned-up.



EARS: Attached high on the head, hanging down straight from the base, small and triangular in shape. The front rim of the ear hangs down against the cheekbones.
Faults: Ears set too low; long ears, flying ears, ears held apart from the cheekbones.
Major faults: Ears standing up froe the base, semi-erect ears.



EYES: Small, oval shaped, slanted, dark in colour.
Faults: Big eyes or eye colour not sufitciently dark. Visible third eyelid. Visible haw. Presence of a milky spot on the eye.
Major faults: Light coloured eye, cross-eyed.



TEETH: Strong, white in colour, closely positioned. The incisors are positioned in one line, the bite is a scissors bite.
Faults: Poorly developed teeth, teeth not corresponding with age, damaged teeth which do not interfere with the proper occlusion of the bite. Absence of up to two of the first premolars or absence of one of the first premolars and one of the second premolars. Light tar build-up.
Major faults: Very small teeth, missing teeth; incisors not aligned; any deviation from a scissors bite; absence of an incisor or a canine, absence of a third or a fourth premolar or any molar. Teeth with severely damaged enamel.



NECK: Long, massive, dry, set at a 40 - 45 degree angle to thetopline.
Faults: Short neck, blocky neck, showing a dewlap or held low.



CHEST: Large, deep, showing several well-sprung ribs. The lower part of the chest is positioned at the level of the elbows or slightly below this level.
Faults: Ribs not well sprung, chest not descending to the level ofthe elbows, ribcage slightly flat.
Major faults: Barrel shaped ribcage, too wide, not enough let down,flat or narrow.



ABDOMEN: Set above the lower line of the chest.
Faults: Strongly tucked-up or whippety abdonen.



WITHERS: High, clearly marked above the dorsal topline.
Faults: Low, poorly developed withers.



BACK: Straight, large, muscular.
Faults: Weak back, narrow or insufficiently muscled.
Major faults: Concave or convex back.



LOIN: Short, wide, muscular and slightly arched.
Faults: Long, insufficiently rounded.
Major faults: Badly coupled, narrow or very arched.



RUMP: Large, muscular, with a barely visible slope towards the tail, which is set high on the croup.
Faults: Horizontal rump or slightly sloping rump, insufficlently muscled.
Major faults: Slanting or narrow rump.



TAIL: Set high, thick and docked short, leaving 3 to 4 vertebrae.
Faults: Tail set low, incorrectly docked tail.
Major faults: Tail not docked.



FOREQUARTERS: Seen from the front, the legs are straight and parallel. The angle of the shoulder-blade with the upperarm is approximately 110 degrees. The elbows must point backwards. The forearms are short and vertical. The pasterns are short and straight.
Faults: Shoulder slightly too straight, elbons slightly turned inwards or outwards; pasterns weak, outwards or inwards.
Major faults: Upright shoulder; strong deviation of the elbows; deviation of the forearm; knuckling over, down or pastern.



HINDQUARTERS: Seen from behind, the legs are straight and parallel, but held more wide than the front legs. The thighs are muscular and well developed. The lower thighs are long and set obliquely. The hock joint is dry and well developed. The hocks (metatarsals) are massive, long and almost vertical.
Faults: Weak muscle tone, short legs, slightly cow hocked legs (or bow-legged). Angulations slightly too straight or the angle at the hock too narrow. Hare feet.
Major faults: The same as above, but more pronounced. Rump too high. Hock jointsperfectly straight or with a very narrow angulation.



FEET: (Fore- and hind feet) : Thick, with well arched pads, rounded in shape.
Faults: Feet pointing outwards or inwards.
Major faults: Feet flat or crooked.



MOVEMENT: Easy, harmonious and fluid. A slow trot or the gallop are the most typical movements. When trotting, the legs must move in a straight line, with the front legs converging towards a median line. The back and the loin show an elastic movement.
Faults: Slight deviation from the requirement that the legs move in a straight line. Insufficient extension of the front or hind legs.
Major faults: Restricted or clumsy movement, movement of the hind legs not straight (crab-like movement), unbalanced movement of the rump (rolling movement of the hindquarters), pacing movement.

FAULTS: Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault and the seriousness with which the fault should be regarded should be in exact proportion to its degree.



DISQUALIFYING FAULTS: Any deviation from the scissors-bite requirement. Parti-coloured coat. White markings on feet. Red patches. Gray coat. Absence of an incisor or a canine. Absence of any third premolar or any fourth premolar. Absence of any molar.
A dog showing any sign of aggressiviness or physical abnormality must not be qualified.



N.B.: Male animals should have two apparently normal testicles fully descended into the scrotum.




Standard FCI N° 327/19.2.96


The Komondor on the other hand has a moderate activity level BUT they require grooming unless you shave them down. Other then that most guardian breeds have longer coats or a coat like the boxer.

[HoundedByHounds]

If you clip down a Komondor then they shed their double coat twice a year like any other. The cords themselves ARE the shed out coat so they do shed but it does leave the dog much if at all...it simply becomes part of the cording. They are high maintenence just a like a Poodle, which would require a groom every so many weeks....but Poodles can also be kept corded.

[darkchild16]

AHHHH ok I dont know much about Komondor upkeep LOL. Never been interested in owning one but that is an interesting thing to know thanks.

[HoundedByHounds]

BTW I love corded Poodles and find them awesome!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninjapoodles/437535844/

[darkchild16]

OMG RASTA poodle.

[HoundedByHounds]

ain't they cool! Do a Yahoo image search...the dark colored ones are just too cool!

[darkchild16]

That is cool. I love seeing St. Poobles work they arent my type of dog by any means but they are awesome athletes. But they can show them like that?

[HoundedByHounds]

Yep right in the standard...;) Not many do tho....too hard to complete with the poofty ones I hear.

[darkchild16]

I like that look over the show cut sorry but the show cut is hideous.

[Saintgirl]

Fordraceing Man, as already been said by darkchild, the BRT is guardy, but highley energetic. Although they are low shedders, they do require grooming because they can grow an impressive coat. I recommend a professional groom every couple of months which would keep your shedding very minimal and to prevent matting. They do require a quick brushing on a daily basis aswell. The guarding instinct comes natural to them, so they require an experienced hand. I know 2 families with them and they are wonderful dogs. They are great with their families including children, however tey can be energetic for small children. If grooming and energy are not something that you would be interested in I would not recommend one for you.

[darkchild16]

I cant think of any guardian breed that doesnt require grooming or that doesnt shed alot.

[fordraceing_man]

ive always figued my next dog would actually be a giant schnauzer or a standard schnauzer, i don't think energy is a problem though, after owning 2 boxers i don't think any other breed could have any more lol

honestly my only real grip with the boxer is the shedding, even after brushing for a long time the hair still flys off my male, he has a thryoid prob and is on meds for that but still they shed like crazy, ive even tried different foods and everything. no biggie though ive lived with it long enough now, i just know for next time

[darkchild16]

I think a Giant Schnauzer would be best in that situation. BRT's like SaintGirl said they are great with their family but anyone else they are not so good with. The only reason the handler I knew could handle the one she did is that she had been handling him since he was a puppy.

[BostonBanker]

Bouviers don't shed either, do they?

Keep in mind that most non-shedding breeds do require a lot more grooming than boxers. My Bedlington didn't shed, which was wonderful, but dealing with the mats and clipping were such a pain that I will always own smooth-coated dogs from now on, and just deal with the hair!

[darkchild16]

I totally forgot about them.

[Romy]

My Aunt has a bouviers, he is wonderful and has a nice coat. She keeps him in a schnauzer style clip, and he gets groomed every month and a half to two months, but doesn't really shed inbetween groomings.

Also, where did the notion that wirehaired dogs don't shed come from? They do shed, and in my experience it is just as much as any other coat.

[darkchild16]

All the ones I have had the pleasure of working with have shed less then most types of dogs. Yes they do shed not saying they dont at all. But compared to my APBT or Greyhound it is less. Thats why I always go for them if I'm talking about low/light shedders.

[Romy]

Interesting. Scottish deerhounds have a wire coat, and the breeders we have talked to told us they were shedders. I wonder if it less than our borzoi. Seamus, the wirecoat staghound we fostered, you could literally build a few new dogs out of his shed fur each and every day. I swept every day and the mass of fur seemed to equal 2 or 3 JRTs. lol.

[darkchild16]

OMG Borzois SUCK. We had two here for a weekend for a geryhound lady we worked with and they shedded as bad as my shepard mix.

[mrose_s]

hmm. i might have already posted in this thread but anyway

greyhounds I've read shed very little

[DanL]

We have 3 Bouviers at our working dog club. The 2 adults are from hardcore working lines and would be a handful for anyone not experienced with that type of dog. The other is a pup and he's a sweet little fuzzball.

I think diet has a lot to do with shedding. People say Danes shed a lot, and I saw one in a class we took with Daisy who had hair flying off of him when you pet him, but Daisy sheds very very little. And the hair is so fine and short, you'd never get tumbleweeds on the wood floor. Gunnar doesn't shed much either, about 2 times a year he'll blow out his coat and the rest of the time it's not much at all.

[darkchild16]

hmm. i might have already posted in this thread but anyway

greyhounds I've read shed very little


They do and they dont. The fuzzy ones do (have longer fur) but the smooth dont as bad. THey do shed quite a bith though. Much like a boxer.

[vanillasugar]

I think diet has a lot to do with shedding. People say Danes shed a lot, and I saw one in a class we took with Daisy who had hair flying off of him when you pet him, but Daisy sheds very very little. And the hair is so fine and short, you'd never get tumbleweeds on the wood floor. Gunnar doesn't shed much either, about 2 times a year he'll blow out his coat and the rest of the time it's not much at all.

I agree, diet has a LOT to do with shedding!!! I have dogs that come into the store and I can tell their being fed crap before their owners say anything to me, because their coats are in such bad shape and they're shedding like MAD. Whereas the dogs I know who are fed a high quality diet shed far less than their counterparts of the same breed who are fed low quality food.

I'd love to do a "furminator test" on two labs or other high shed dogs, on different quality diets, and have photographic evidence of the dramatic difference that I'm sure we'd see :)

[FoxyWench]

the Irish wolfhound is a low shedder, and there the tallest breed...