Foods containing euthanasia drug

[Renee750il]

Here's a link that I found posted on another forum. I've read about the use of euthanized pets as ingredients in dog food, and this lists the results of an actual study done tracing the amounts of sodium pentobarbital in dog and puppy foods.

Edit: The site was moved. The first link goes directly to the chart, the second to the home page.

http://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/dfchart.htm

http://www.fda.gov/cvm/default.html

[TiggersDad]

Renee, I'm glad to see someone else refer to this finding. I hope it will serve as an eye-opener, and help people to think about what's really going on in the pet food industry. Another good site is http://www.api4animals.org/79.htm . They have an article there called "what's really in pet foods". After reading these two, hopefully someone will find a good food!

[chazhound]

Excellent resources. True comparisons are hard to find.

A Quote from the api4animals.com's website:
"What can the feeding of such products do to your companion animal?
Some veterinarians claim that feeding slaughterhouse wastes to animals increases their risk of getting cancer and other degenerative diseases. The cooking methods used by pet food manufacturers -- such as rendering, extruding (a heat-and-pressure system used to "puff" dry foods into nuggets or kibbles), and baking -- do not necessarily destroy the hormones used to fatten livestock or increase milk production, or drugs such as antibiotics or the barbiturates used to euthanize animals."
:eek:

[BabyBoo]

hmmm that makes me wonder if that is how one of my dogs (that we had to put to sleep 2 years ago) developed cancer... because we never really found out and it has bothered me ever since.

[mommi]

i AM REALLY UPSET WITH THIS, WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS? i ALSO HAD TO PUT MY 6 YEAR OLD rOTTIE DOWN BECAUSE SHE HAD LIVER CANCER. dO YOU KNOW HOW IT GETS IN THERE? I WAS TOLD THEY USE ANIMALS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT DOWN TO ADD TO THE DOG FOOD. THIA IS SO SAD THAT WE BUY PRODUCTS THINKING THAT THEY ARE GOOD FOR OUR BABYS AND IT IS ONLY A SLOW DEATH.

[puppylove]

As pet owners we assume that products sold on the market are healthy and safe for our pets - we think that companies would not sell anything that would be harmful. Apparently we are all naive. I came across this information several years ago and it was the impetus I needed to start my own business. I had worked in the corporate world where it is all about the bottom-line, so these findings did not surprise me. I have now made it my mission to educate people so when they choose pet foods and treats they can at least make an informed decision. Did you know that Vet schools are taught nutrition by the big pet food companies? They do not have their own nutrition programs. This is a huge conflict of interest in my opinion. They also get kickbacks and special bonuses for selling the specialty vet foods. Remember this when getting nutritional advice from a Vet. We go to a dietician, not a doctor when we need nutritional advice. There is unfortunately no equivalent in the pet world. Reading pet food labels is imperative. Judge the food quality for yourself based on the ingredient listing.

I have compiled a list of my findings on the subject, including what to look for on your pet food labels and links to some good articles on my website at http://www.puppylovegourmetbakery.com/didyouknow.htm This page also has a list of foods that are healthy alternatives to all the common store bought brands. Also our newsletter page is a good resource for further nutritional advice. Feel free to email me at info@puppylovegourmetbakery.com if you want further details on how to read pet food labels. Also check out the rest of the site for our healthy treats - all of which are formulated with your pet's health in mind and approved by our consulting veterinarian - who has a biology degree in addition to her Vet degree and is one of the growing groups of Vets who are questioning the pet food companies and suggesting more biologically appropriate diets.

[pitbulliest]

Wellness and Wysong are good holistic brands for dogs... I always recommend them. Never buy anything in your regular market unless you like feeding your dog poison and support cruel and pointless animal testing on domesticated dogs...

[SunnyNJazzy]

so what are some safe dog foods?? I cant really control what my dogs are fed because my parents buy it... right now we are getting Kirkland Brand (costco) but if its not healthy I will pay the extra for good brands... what are good SAFE brands??

[Renee750il]

There is a good list at www.greatdanelady.com, as well as many crucially informative articles. You can also go to www.naturapet.com and use the comparison capability to look at different brands, their ingredients and how they are derived.

I haven't had the time to look at Puppylove's sites or Tigger's sites, but you should check them out, too. There's no such thing as too much information.

[JRT_Rattie_Mom]

Our JRT, Lucy came home with us at 8 weeks (2 1/2 years ago) along with a bag of Purina Hi-Pro dog food (which the breeder recommended keeping her on... since he fed all of his dogs this food... hmm) but she started having skin problems, which we narrowed down to corn. We ended up putting her on Nutro Lamb & Rice as a puppy, and at 2 1/2 her skin problems are gone, for the most part.

I've been buying Nutro all this time, thinking it was a "very" premium dog food, but after reading all of the resources here I'm am ready to try another brand. We recently adopted a Rat Terrier (4 1/2 months old) that is very thin, and had been on Trader Joe's Lamb & Rice (adult food) in the rescue. I bought the Nutro Lamb & Rice puppy food for her, but we keep food out all the time for both dogs. Lucy, the JRT has always been a "snack" eater, she is just too "busy" to eat all at once, and her weight is just right at 16 lbs. With Holly being so thin, having the food out all the time is okay for her too... but the problem I'm now having is that I have 1 bowl of Nutro *adult* Lamb & Rice, and 1 bowl of Nutro *puppy* Lamb & Rice... so you can probably guess the problem! Lucy is going for the *puppy* food, and Holly is going for the *adult* formula!

Just wondering if I should try to "force" them to eat just twice a day (and try to keep them at the correct bowl!) ... or not worry too much about this? I looked briefly at most of what is considered the "premium" more natural dog food web sites, but wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a good food that would be work well for both a puppy, AND my 2 1/2 year old... so that 1 food will work for both??

Any suggestions are welcome... and thanks!

[Renee750il]

I've got the same kind of problem: Bimmer, for some unknown reason, lets Kharma eat out of his bowl, and of course, she thinks anything tastes better out of Bimmer's bowl! I gave up on feeding him the adult formula and they all just get Innova puppy food for now. Bimmer's such an active dog that it doesn't add any excess weight (we're actually trying to put a few pounds on him before winter every year, but it's hard). You might even consider mixing the puppy food and adult food half and half.

[JRT_Rattie_Mom]

Thanks for the suggestion! Mixing the two sounds like a good plan. At least Holly should get "some" of the puppy food this way, unless she figures out how to "sort" nuggets, LOL! :p

[candy722]

I have puppy dry food and I mix adult canned food for my 10 month old puppy.

[candy722]

What's a good dry food for dogs that is affordable and that contains no by pass products?

[Renee750il]

We love the EVO by Innova. It looks expensive at first glance, but you feed much less than other foods AND you don't have the health problems - saving on vet bills down the road. Just be sure to follow the feeding instructions and DON'T OVERFEED.

[PawsRanch6]

We too feed Kaycee & Fritzi a food from Costco...However we do not feed the Kirkland one we feed the Teal bag that is "Nutra Nuggets" It is a premium food at a reasonable price I feel. It was not on any of the tests! Have a 13 yr old shepherd that has been on it since she was 2 and no problems with her. Kaycee is 7 w/allergies and been on it from when he turned a year. Mom has a 12 year old Newfoundland with dozens of alergies and no trouble! My other dogs are on Eukanuba Premium performance and Iams puppy. I live 3 hours from a Costco so I buy a lot at 1 time so I really don't want to feed it to all 6 and have to worry bout keeping it stocked! lol

[Renee750il]

Aside from the nutritional deficiencies and chemical garbage found in Eukanuba/Iams products, have you seen any of the information on the reprehensible treatment of the lab animals the company practices? The pet supply store I use even stopped carrying any of their products because of this.

[josephine]

a really good article...

http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/dogfoods.html

Some of the foods that people swear by are (in alphabetical order):

* Avo-Derm
* AvoActive Care
* Authority (at PetsMart)
* California Natural
* Chicken Soup for the Pet Lovers Soul (ed. note: gosh I hate that name for a dog food)
* Diamond
* Eagle
* Eukanuba
* Iams
* Innova
* Kirkland C & R (available at Costco - made by Diamond)
* Kirkland L & R (available at Costco - made by Diamond)
* Lamaderm
* Natural Balance
* Nutro Natural Choice
* Premium Edge
* Professional L & R
* Pro Plan
* Royal Canin Labrador 30
* Sensible Choice
* Wellness

[Renee750il]

Some of the things on that site are common sense, but much of what is offered as "information" is nothing more than opinion offered in an authoritative manner with no factual or researched basis to back it up.

I do like the care they say they take in placing their pups, but I notice they don't say anything (at least anywhere obvious to me) about health guarantees, hips or address any possible health issues.

I think these breeders probably mean well, but may be doing as much harm as good with their nutrition opinions - you really can't call it solid information since there's really nothing much offered other than personal anecdote. If you'll check out Linda Arndt's site, I think you'll see what I'm talking about. There are others that are well researched as well, I really like hers because not only is the information good, it's presented in a common sense way that you can not only understand, but follow. One of her standards is you have to have a feeding program that the owner can actually keep up with - nothing so exotic that the poor owner gives up on.

[LindaD]

I don't want euthanasia (pentobarbital) in my pets' food either. However, you'll be a little relieved to know it's not coming from euthanized dogs and cats. Very sensitive tests were run in 2000 that showed a complete absence of DNA material from dogs and cats. It likely came from euthanized cattle. Still not good since it means the pet food company is using 4D meats.
www.fda.gov/cvm/efoi/DFreport.doc

[Renee750il]

That's even more frightening, considering how easily beef contaminated with pentobarbital can make its way into the general food supply.

I am so glad I have a freezer full of beef that I have personal knowledge of every single thing that's been ingested or introduced into the production!

[spanielboy]

There is a book called "Fast Food Nation" that discuss this topic briefly - especially how the cycle between the various food sources are being fed to each other: pets, cattle, horses, and swine. :eek:

[Purr]

"Restaurant grease has become a major component of feed grade animal fat over the last fifteen years. This grease, often held in fifty-gallon drums, may be kept outside for weeks, exposed to extreme temperatures with no regard for its future use. "Fat blenders" or rendering companies then pick up this used grease and mix the different types of fat together, stabilize them with powerful antioxidants to retard further spoilage, and then sell the blended products to pet food companies and other end users. The grease is then sprayed on the kibble, to make bland food palatable."

:eek: OMG! :eek: That's disgusting! Ugh...and the list of pet foods scared me, too. I feed my two puppies Puppy Chow (which I didn't like before I read that). I haven't gotten to change their food yet (unexpected family emergency has got us on a very tight budget). And, Shelby is so picky that she only likes Kibbles n' bits. She'll have to get used to eating something healthy...Thanks for posting this information.

But, I did have a question regarding Josephine's list: why is Canidae not listed there? I've heard it's a wonderful holistic pet food.

[dogtired]

There is a monthly (holistic) guide that I subscribe to called Whole Dog Journal (WDJ). Each year, it does extensive studies and rates both dry and canned dog foods. The results are published in their December (canned) and February (dry foods) editions. The journal is wonderful. It provides a lot of great information on how to take care of your dogs naturally. I included the February's 2005 article on dog food to give you an idea of how they rate food products. It's long but worth the read cause I believe you are all "Camp B" folks out there!

I highly recommend this monthly subscription for anyone that loves to learn about natural healthy ways to take great care of their beloved pups! Google it under ?Whole Dog Journal? ~ you find out how to subscribe!

[Mordy]

dogtired, please be aware that you are violating copyright by directly copying and pasting information from the WDJ. i'm not talking about address listings, but actual parts of articles.

[Renee750il]

I've e-mailed the magazine asking for permission to allow the article to remain posted. When I hear back from them I'll act in accordance with their wishes. They are a publication that does NOT rely on advertising to support expenses in order to remain impartial, and, as such, this is a publication that is supported by subscription. www.whole-dog-journal.com

[showpug]

I just wanted to inform you that when I worked in a vet clinic for 5 years we saw MANY,MANY dogs that came in with urinary tract infections and crystals . They all ate the same food, Nutro Lamb and Rice. My dogs were on it for a while and had the same problem. I switched immediatley and it never came back again. I own/show pugs and they all eat the same food as puppies and as adults. I feed Solid Gold Just A Wee Bit. It is specially formulated for small breeds. I suggest that you try this and feed them each seperatley, twice a day. You may be suprised by how much they like it. It's worth the money and it does not have any of the "bad stuff" in it. If you read the ingredient list, you will see only foods and words that you can recognize and pronounce. Not to mention, when you open the vacume sealed bag, it smells like fresh edible food and not fatty and stale like the other foods. I sware by it! Their skin is great, eyes clear, coats are full and shiny...which is an added benefit for the show ring!! I will put a link to their website : http://www.solidgoldhealth.com.

Happy feeding!

[Renee750il]

You'll notice that the article from the Whole Dog Journal has been deleted. I received an answer to my e-mail:

Dear Renee:

Thank you for contacting us regarding the use by http://www.chazhound.com/forums of the dog food article from The Whole Dog Journal. The Publisher and Editor-in-Chief have a firm policy of not allowing our editorial material on other websites and forums. The use and misuse of our articles has gotten out of control, so they just don't allow it. In fact, there is someone on staff who works full time to find and legally enforce these copyright infringements so she probably would have uncovered your forum at some point. We appreciate your honesty and desire to educate members about better dog care, but we do request that the posting be removed immediately.

Please contact me if you have any questions.

Sincerely,

Mona Kornfeld
Belvoir Media Group
Ph: (203) 857-3143
Fax: 203/857-3103

[smkie]

i am dense..what does all that mean?

[Renee750il]

Basically, just that they don't let anyone use their articles and that even if we had not contacted them for their permission they would have found us anyway and zapped us.

They didn't even read the e-mail I sent them very carefully. This person seems to think that I was the one who posted the article. I asked them to look at the forum and see the context in which it was used, but the reply came back so quickly and is such a rote "no" that I doubt they even looked.

I've gotta admit, I'm kind of disappointed in a publication that is supposed to be concerned about the welfare of dogs. I understand that they are solely supported by subscriptions and can't afford to let their work be posted all over the net, but I'm disconcerted that no one actually took the time to evaluate and realize that it was excellent publicity and could have resulted in new subscribers. I had planned to subcribe, but have changed my mind.

After all, we have Mordy, and I believe her information is much better researched and evaluated with a keener mind . . . and she cares :D

[Mordy]

while i currently still do read the WDJ, i'm not going to renew my subscription once it runs out.

these people do not seem to realize that with such an attitude they are not going to get any new subscribers. and besides that, "solely supported by subscriptions" my ass - they sell the addresses of all their subscribers and once you subscribe you will be bombarded by junk mail. not email spam, but paper that you actually have to throw out.

[Renee750il]

That's good to know about the mailing lists, Mordy.

I sent them a return e-mail confirming that I'd removed the article and [politely] expressing my dismay at their dog-in-the-manger attitude. It's not like it was even a current article!

At any rate, you know how much we appreciate your hard-earned knowledge and your generous sharing.

[dogtired]

Hi, I've been gone a while and read most of this stuff last nite. I apologize for causing quite a commotion. I kinda knew it might be a problem, but I wanted to get the info out quick. I gave as much information about the article's originator as possible hoping this would make of for it. Your right Renee750il, it was an older article, similar to one they post on an annual basis. I even gave WDJ a bunch of cudos. ~So much for that. I'll be more careful in the future.

[Mordy]

dogtired, no harm done, i just posted because i know the crappy attitude WDJ has about their stuff being crossposted on the internet.

[lilly]

trans fat makes anything stupid!

[Helen]

I got my Sam,a blck Shih-Tuz at 4mths aside from how the pevious owner had treated him,i watched him constantly up heave any kind of processed dog food. a rash on his tummy Then started with the digging,then his hair was falling out.the vet. told me it was fleas,thank god i didn't believe him.So, at a young age he became a vegetarian of sorts.I cook his food he eats no more processed food.He eats well cooked chicken,fish,all veggies,and some fruits.He gets no fillers like rice,i use everyday spices like we would use on our food,very little salt.Some would say he is spoiled,but, i don't have a sick dog anymore,and $200 vet. bills.He also gets olive oil, a teaspoon in his food once a day.His visit back to the vet for a rabies shot brought me a mad vet.who had to admit he is very healthy,and hated to admit he could have been wrong.An didn't sell me a $10 bag of "this is good for him" dog food.Please watch what your vet is doing,and the fod makers,sometimes momma knows best.A friend of mine lost her dog, her heart stopped, the vet was pumping her so full of drugs. Don't trust everything you are told,it's your dog,you live with it an see the symptoms every day.

[Renee750il]

Good going, Helen! Just because someone got through vet school doesn't mean they know everything. The good ones admit they don't always know!

[phoebe's mommy]

I have one dog on a prescription diet by orders of the veterinarian, one on "Breeder's Choice-Active Formula (chicken meal & rice)," and my youngest is on "California Natural-Chicken Meal & Rice" mixed with "Pinnacle" wet food. I buy all of these from a dog boutique whom I patronize regularly and claims that they only carry the highest quality foods/treats. I have had tremendous luck with all of my dog's diets, especially the "California Natural." I was wondering if anybody had any information regarding these foods. I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

[Renee750il]

The California Natural is made by NaturaPet, the same people who make Innova and Karma, and you can't get any better quality - or ethics, for that matter. I don't know Breeder's Choice or anything about Pinnacle.

If the prescription diet food is made by Hills/Science Diet you're getting scammed, pure and simple. The quality is deplorable, but you're paying the kind of prices you'd pay for food that actually had nutritive value.

Why don't you start a thread with your question about the foods. Mordy can probably tell you exactly what you want to know. You should check out her website too. You'll learn how to see through the arcane hogwash on most dog food labels. ;)

[kathisi]

A website that I like that discusses dog nutrition is http://www.volhard.com/holistic/artbywv.htm

[Helen]

www.nexusmagazine.com go to other articles =then to=the perils of pet food=this is why i prepare my animals food!! i trust no commerical dog or cat food .

[schmitzgirly94]

Yay I'm so glad!
My dogs eat Purina Dog Chow and
that brand is in the clear! I'm
happy that I know my dogs
are healthy thanks to that chart.

[Mordy]

schmitzgirly94, that brand may be "in the clear" in regards to this particular contamination and very popular, but it's of really poor quality. do some reading on the topic.

http://www.mordanna.com/dogfood/index.php?page=identify
http://www.mordanna.com/dogfood/index.php?page=list1

[Renee750il]

Actually, the Purina Dog Chow isn't necessarily cleared: it has a 'no result.' But some of the Purina One brand (their version of a premium line) has been found to contain the contaminant.

And Mordy's right about the quality - as usual :)

[Whitedobelover]

that is correct however purina may seem to be good to some but it really is horrible and has bad ingredients... CORN is not digestible... anyway good luck on getting good foods

[Mordy]

CORN is not digestible...

that's one of the numerous myths about dog food.

dogs can digest it just like any other types of grain. the problem with poor quality foods is that they use corn as a major source of protein, and plant protein is harder for dogs to digest than animal-based protein.

in a nutshell, if corn is combined with good quality meat in a kibble, the simple fact that it contains corn doesn't make it worse than one that has rice, oatmeal or whatever other grain.

[Whitedobelover]

no dogs cant... i just talked to my vet who has many years research and experience especially with dobermans and corn cant get digested even with kibble... we as humans cant even properly digest... and also....there is no nutrional value with it...

corn isnt digestible anyway you cut it in humans or dogs

[Babyblue5290]

corn isnt digestible anyway you cut it in humans or dogs

lol how weird! I LOVE corn and eat it all the time! :p

[Whitedobelover]

Dogs need a balanced meal like humans. Humans are omnivores. We need a mixture of meats and vegetation. Dogs are carnivores. Their digestive tracts are designed to process meat. While they do need some vegetation to aid in digestion, the type and quality are very important. Fillers like brewer's rice and corn gluten (which are the shells of these grains) are primarily undigestible. Corn and soybeans are vegetative products used in many dog foods that are leading causes of allergies in dogs.
~Flint river research company

this right here shows your statement is incorrect and false... corn isnt digestible at all

[Whitedobelover]

baby blue so do i but it doesnt digest well.... it has no nutrional value... it is just food that goes in and comes out... if you eat corn without chewing and pass feces it will have whole corns in them

[Babyblue5290]

baby blue so do i but it doesnt digest well.... it has no nutrional value... it is just food that goes in and comes out... if you eat corn without chewing and pass feces it will have whole corns in them

lol, I think it just doesn't digest well, but only my opinion. Mordy is the one with the facts to back it up not me :p lol

[Whitedobelover]

i just gave you the facts... and you dont see that... i know the facts... my dogs only eat what is best for them that is why i have never had a dog with any sort of problems none well with the exception of tasneem which she came withs ome issues... i gave you your proof... im in the medical field... and actually going to finish my PhD and then go back to school for my animal science major... so yes i also have the facts. because i gave the facts from a researcher should show you...

[Babyblue5290]

i just gave you the facts... and you dont see that... i know the facts... my dogs only eat what is best for them that is why i have never had a dog with any sort of problems none well with the exception of tasneem which she came withs ome issues... i gave you your proof... im in the medical field... and actually going to finish my PhD and then go back to school for my animal science major... so yes i also have the facts. because i gave the facts from a researcher should show you...

lol don't get so mad, I didn't mean you didn't have your own "facts". The truth is a lot of people have "facts" supporting both sides of almost every story you hear. As dog owners we have to look at both sides of the "facts" and decide which we agree with and which side of the story we will follow through with our own dogs. I am just one of those that agree with Mordy's side of the story.

[Whitedobelover]

oh im not mad.. i ate pizza and my stomach hurts... sorry if i sounded mad... i feel like iw was kicked in the stomach... and i hate eatting pizza for this very reason... i sound testy for about three or four hours after eating it... sorry... about the attitude and i agree there are arguements for both sides... but the majority says corn isnt digestible...

[Babyblue5290]

oh im not mad.. i ate pizza and my stomach hurts... sorry if i sounded mad... i feel like iw was kicked in the stomach... and i hate eatting pizza for this very reason... i sound testy for about three or four hours after eating it... sorry... about the attitude and i agree there are arguements for both sides... but the majority says corn isnt digestible...

lol it's ok :p lol no harm no foul lol

Really?!?! I love pizza!! Well I love spinach pizza! That stuff is great lol. Anyways, back on topic with ya'll guys now ;)

Hope you feel better Whitedobelover!

[Whitedobelover]

thanks so much pizza is like corn non digestible in my system LOL... it sits for about three days then just has to go somewhere.. ugh i love veggie lovers from pizza hut but like i said it is like corn... just sits there and sits there LOL... anyway thanks so much :D

[Renee750il]

As a professional researcher, I can vouch for Mordy. Her research is sound; not based on a manufacturer's propaganda.

[shabess1200]

check out www.wellness.noads.biz Gives complete details plus research on wild and domestic canines and felines and what actually goes into commercial pet foods.

[mkl]

I just posted about Three Dog Bakery's new dog food on a new thread. Three Dog has a new oven-baked dog food that has no animal by-product. In fact, they have their whole ingredient listing on their website.

I am just disgusted with how dog food manufacturers don't care about the nutrition in the dog food they produce and use all sorts of stuff to lower their cost!

[jamiechew]

does anyone know anything about Medi-Cal? I feed the preventive because Jamie was diagnosed with crystals in his kidneys when he was a puppy.. he's been doing well on Medi-Cal but I sure don't want to feed it if it contains euthanized pets.. that is disgusting!!!

[skaa9]

I have a question what do you do when you live in a little country where you don't have so many choices ???
It is better home made cook ?
Before I used to give my dogs royal canin , now I;m giving them eukanuba ...
Are they really so bad ????
it is pro plan , dog chow better ????
I really haven't where to choose...
I have seen some american marks here that I haven't heard before like o'roy
or something like that ...

[Saje]

None of those are really great. WHy don't you start a new thread in the food forum and look for Mordy. She's the expert. She'll help you :D

[skaa9]

None of those are really great. WHy don't you start a new thread in the food forum and look for Mordy. She's the expert. She'll help you :D
Ok Saje I will do that because till yesterday I start looking web about it , I start with teh one you gave me , I try to analize eukanuba product but still need help =OP
I will amke a new board

[PapaG]

I want to say this, which may have been said. My future SIL dad is a vet. A very good one I feel too. his son, SIL, thinks differnt dog foods are bunk. One of my french bull dogs has a algery(sp) that causes her to break out in black bumps that are like pimples. In trying differnt foods, we feel it is corn. If you read the dog food ingredients the first one or in the top 5 is corn. Corn, corn. we found some dog food that did not contain corn, and it made a real difference . I think it was Solid Gold Hund-n-Flocken. I think it was very good food, but the place that carried it stopped. This is a real problem in rual Texas. No ones carries it that is close. We have gone to a lamb and rice kibble, but we have not been real happy with it.

We make a large portion of the food that we feed from scratch. It seems to do good with our rescue dogs and our own too.:D

Just my 2 cents

Richard

[canadianmandy]

Hey I am new here upon reading this I am shocked! Is this still happening? I hope It is ok That I cross posted this! This world truly is sad

[LabBreeder]

Wellness and Wysong are good holistic brands for dogs... I always recommend them. Never buy anything in your regular market unless you like feeding your dog poison and support cruel and pointless animal testing on domesticated dogs...


i disagree. yes, you should feed your dog food that's good for him...but not everyone can get your "holistic brands" where they live...and shipping dog food isn't exactly cheap. :) my dogs food is not "poison"...as a matter of fact it was one of the FEW listed that said ther was "no phenobarbitol" in the food (none of the varieties of the dog food we use had pheno in it). just because you can afford to get expensive holistic food, doesn't mean everyone else that can't are "supporting cruel and pointless animal testing".

[LabBreeder]

Yay I'm so glad!
My dogs eat Purina Dog Chow and
that brand is in the clear! I'm
happy that I know my dogs
are healthy thanks to that chart.


regardless of what others have been saying about purina...i still use it...it's been good so far, and i haven't had any problems with it. if you want, you can go to purina's website and find out exactly what all those ingredients in your dogs food are and what they are for.....each person has their own opinions on what dog food is the best.

[LabBreeder]

Actually, the Purina Dog Chow isn't necessarily cleared: it has a 'no result.' But some of the Purina One brand (their version of a premium line) has been found to contain the contaminant.

And Mordy's right about the quality - as usual :)


it said "no" and the article said if it states "no" then it means none was found. i don't know where you were looking, but all the purina's i saw all had a "no" beside it...not "no result". :)

just because you think someone is right doesn't mean everyone else does...:)

[LabBreeder]

no dogs cant... i just talked to my vet who has many years research and experience especially with dobermans and corn cant get digested even with kibble... we as humans cant even properly digest... and also....there is no nutrional value with it...

corn isnt digestible anyway you cut it in humans or dogs

The two most common myths about corn are that corn it is not digestible, and that it is an allergen. These two statements are very misleading to the public and NOT true. According to "Small Animal Clinical Nutrition", 4th Edition," corn is 91% digestible. This immediately dispels the myth that corn is not digestible. The story goes... look at how corn comes out when we eat corn on the cob (or some variation on the same crude story), so it can't be very digestible. The reason an ingredient list for pet food says "ground corn" instead of just "corn" is because whole corn is finely ground before it is added to the food. The outer layer of the corn kernel is impervious to stomach acid and grinding the corn is necessary to expose the very digestible inner part of the kernel to the digestive process. Unfortunately, there are people that would rather sell their "corn free" product than to give out correct information. Interestingly, many of these companies do not have access to the corn growing states. The most basic research can attest to the high digestibility of ground corn. Why feed corn?


Corn is 91% digestible
Corn is one of the best sources of linoleic acid
Corn oil is one of the best sources of Omega 6 fatty acid (great for skin and coat)
Corn provides essential amino acids and fiber.
"Corn is nutritionally superior grain compared with others used in pet foods because it contains a balance of nutrients not found in other grains." - Small Animal Clinical Nutrition 4th edition

http://www.beowulfs.com/magazine/corn.htm

now...what was all that about corn being no good and non digestible?? :)

[LabBreeder]

Dogs need a balanced meal like humans. Humans are omnivores. We need a mixture of meats and vegetation. Dogs are carnivores. Their digestive tracts are designed to process meat. While they do need some vegetation to aid in digestion, the type and quality are very important. Fillers like brewer's rice and corn gluten (which are the shells of these grains) are primarily undigestible. Corn and soybeans are vegetative products used in many dog foods that are leading causes of allergies in dogs.
~Flint river research company

this right here shows your statement is incorrect and false... corn isnt digestible at all

Canids include the dogs, foxes, coyote and wolf. While all are members of the order Carnivora, most are not, strictly speaking, carnivores. The retention of functional crushing teeth behind the carnassials enables them to eat a variety of foods, and the canids are omnivores.
http://www.azdrybones.com/canids.htm

[papillon806]

Based on the nutrition studies done at NCSU vet school, we have found that the Total Digestible Nutrients in corn (protein, carbs, etc) is 85% (Soybean meal having a TDN of about 25%), which shows corn is a very digestible grain. Far more digestible than vegetables, which have a TDN of 34%, although they are a good source of fiber. When dogs are allergic to corn, they are usually allergic to the protein portion of the endosperm....this also goes for chicken and other forms of protein--dogs are allergic to more protein sources than just grains (although a grain-BASED diet can be harmful).

[doxie mom]

Yes i recently found out that rendering plants not only use cow, lamb, pig and so on but also dogs and cats too. Pretty bad just thinking about it. I stopped feeding my doxies commercial pet food wet and dry.

Think about where all the road kill goes to? the pets that were put to sleep along with the collars and flea collars and the plastic bags that they are wrapped in? Its just too sick for me to think i was feeding my little dogs this crap and how the manufacturers lie to the customers about what in there Special Blend top quaility dog food.

Last night i cooked and seperate in zip lock bag and freeze the following.

Carrots and Spinach
Chicken along with chicken broth
Rice
Oatmeal

Still trying to come up with other thoughts for the diet. But in the morning i feed them oatmeal and a egg with Natural Receipe dry food (all natural)
and in the evening something like rice and chicken or chicken and veggies.

My older doxie (7) seems to have more energy and more alert since the new diet.

So if any one has any good diet receipes please share.

[Renee750il]

Good work, Doxie Mom . . .

If you'll go through the threads in this food Forum, you'll find a lot of information on home cooked and raw feeding. Also, check out Mordy's site (there is a link in her signature) for well-researched, accurate information. And of course, if you'll start a thread with your questions, you'll get some answers as well :)

[akaspaddero]

God I am so confused. I feed Nutro Natural for Large Breed....Couldn't find it on the list (maybe I looked at wrong one or I am blind)
Uggggg

[Delisay]

And again... :spam: Just advertising.

[savethebulliedbreeds]

Hey, I found this link. Not sure if it has been posted. Its long but definately worth the read

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/petfood1.html

[livestrong]

Dog Food producers are not regulated. There is a reason why the bag/can says, "not fit for human consumption". My dog, a mixed breed, had skin problems until I stopped feeding him dog food from the supermarket and starting preparing his food from "human consumption" ingredients. Not only did his skin problems disappear, but he perked up and is acting years younger. Please do your research...your dog will thank you for it! There seems to be a disturbing trend lately....several of my friends have had dogs less than 6 yrs old develop cancers (liver, bone and kidney), the vets could not say it was their diets, but you think about it....

Larry

[Dale Davenport]

Dog Food producers are not regulated. There is a reason why the bag/can says, "not fit for human consumption". My dog, a mixed breed, had skin problems until I stopped feeding him dog food from the supermarket and starting preparing his food from "human consumption" ingredients. Not only did his skin problems disappear, but he perked up and is acting years younger. Please do your research...your dog will thank you for it! There seems to be a disturbing trend lately....several of my friends have had dogs less than 6 yrs old develop cancers (liver, bone and kidney), the vets could not say it was their diets, but you think about it....

Larry

I have been in a small animal feed producer in my travels as a office equipment salesman. I was shocked at what they use. They use expired foods and recycle them into feed for different animals (including dogs). The place was disgusting with bins of dirty candy bars, potato chips and other unrecognizable smelly dirty foods setting open in large bins. It smelled of spoiled grains. I don't know how they make this stuff into a feed that has consistent taste. I don't think they could. But they don't have to make it taste the same every time it only has to look the same every time .

I am not condeming the whole industry after only seeing one small factory. But it did wake me up to what is allowed in the animal feed world.

[Sparky15]

Sparky suffered from skin allergies all his life. Our vet never recommended feeding him any other food... he was eating Purina Dog Chow brand... I wish I could go back and feed him something else! I am appalled that these practices happen.

Sparky is no longer with us, but I will ensure my daughter is aware of all these issues for her pup.

[LareP]

Still feeding your pooch commercial dog food?

When asked, The President of AAFCO said: "If the
ingredient say's meat or bone meal, you don't know
if it is cattle, or sheep, or horse . . . or fluffy." Then
went on to say: ". . . nutritionally, it is still protein."

Watch the video here;

http://home.att.net/~srcusick/deaddogsinfood.avi (http://home.att.net/~srcusick/deaddogsinfood.avi)

I have a ton of information like this on commercial dog food.

Just send a message and I'll forward it to you.

[DoggyLuva1128]

what do u guys feel are good foods for pets? I heard innova and caniddae are, what do u think?

[krisykris]

I just started adding in Canidae als to my dogs diets to wean them off of craptastic Iams and it seems to be very good stuff, but I've never tried Innova :)

[DoggyLuva1128]

lol I'm about to try one of those two. I just found stores near me that sell them so I'll try to ween my dog out of Pedigree

[Brits are it]

Here is what happened to me recently.I got my brittany at 4.5 years of age about 5 years ago because I wanted a dog I could take hunting immediately so I found wheezie.The guy I bought him from was feeding him Iams so I continued with that until 1.5 years ago when I went to the breeder where wheezie came from to get another brittany to take wheezie's hunting duties over when he retires and she recommends I change to a premium food and gave me a verbal list of what she thought would be good so I chose PRO PLAN by Purina.Everything seemed fine until 6 months went by and wheezie started losing energy and his stomach hurt to the touch,his hips were bothering him and I thought something terrible was happening to him(cancer I thought)I went to the store to buy more pro plan but they were out so I bought a bag of Eukanuba premium performance and watched as wheezie slowly recovered from all of his health problems!!He is running around like he did at 5 again,Today he jumped up on the tailgate of my truck at 10.5 years old!I think that pro plan would have killed him if I kept feeding it.
Wheezie is a male and got his name because he had some fluid in his lungs at birth so he was wheezing for a few days after!poor guy had a rough start to life and pro plan about finished him off.

[Renee750il]

what do u guys feel are good foods for pets? I heard innova and caniddae are, what do u think?

People have had good results with Canidae, and mine have been on Innova since I brought them home. I can't say enough good about how my dogs have thrived on the Innova.

[Oski]

We too feed Kaycee & Fritzi a food from Costco...However we do not feed the Kirkland one we feed the Teal bag that is "Nutra Nuggets" It is a premium food at a reasonable price I feel. It was not on any of the tests! Have a 13 yr old shepherd that has been on it since she was 2 and no problems with her. Kaycee is 7 w/allergies and been on it from when he turned a year. Mom has a 12 year old Newfoundland with dozens of alergies and no trouble! My other dogs are on Eukanuba Premium performance and Iams puppy. I live 3 hours from a Costco so I buy a lot at 1 time so I really don't want to feed it to all 6 and have to worry bout keeping it stocked! lol

Wow, 13 yr old German Shepherd, very impressive...I hope that I have that to look forward to also!

[livestrong]

Making your own food is always the best. But I know that some people are just too busy to do this. I cook my dog food in batches and freeze them. He loves it more than any dry or can food available and hasn't had a sick day in his 3 yr life.

[dog4life]

One of the things I am suggesting to my readers is to err on the side of caution. The recent Menu Foods recall is only a harbinger of the true scandal involving dog food. When in doubt about any dog food, just say no ...your pups life may be at stake .

MRB
http://www.dogs-4life.com/dog-food-that-kills.html

[little liz]

Is there actually a list anywhere of dog food manufactures who have been found to use dodgy meat?

[adoptacanine]

i AM REALLY UPSET WITH THIS, WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS? i ALSO HAD TO PUT MY 6 YEAR OLD rOTTIE DOWN BECAUSE SHE HAD LIVER CANCER. dO YOU KNOW HOW IT GETS IN THERE? I WAS TOLD THEY USE ANIMALS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT DOWN TO ADD TO THE DOG FOOD. THIA IS SO SAD THAT WE BUY PRODUCTS THINKING THAT THEY ARE GOOD FOR OUR BABYS AND IT IS ONLY A SLOW DEATH.


The dog food industry has peddled garbage that is no more than industrial waste for years. Toxic chemicals, carcinogens, bloof, undeveloped eggs, feathers and worse.

See what's really in many dog food brands at :
http://www.dogs-4life.com/dog-food-that-kills.html

[Lynda]

I find it interesting that pet foods can contain diseased and euthanized animals--road kill from vets offices that have been ground up! These can be found under the ingredients listings "by-products" and "meat/bone meal". Who knew? I think the pet food recall made many of us more wary! I know it did me! I was detemined to find a food I could trust!

[SadieBlack]

My son has the twin of my dog, Sofia. A year ago I visited him and Athena and she was skeletally thin. I was shocked. Her sister (my dog and her twin) was healthy and happy eating Fromm Family Salmon a la Veg (stupid name for an excellent food) while Athena was, apparently, wasting away eating Pedigree.

I talked to my son and his girlfriend (now his wife) about dog foods and sent them some Fromm and some probiotics from Alaska when I got home. His wife got onto the internet and read some of the resources, talked to people and put Athena on Innova Evo.

Here are the before and after pictures, with a year in between.
http://www.celticandmore.com/northernniche/thinathena.jpg
Dry, short, spikey fur, and you can see how terribly thin she is!

http://www.celticandmore.com/northernniche/bunyflipathena.jpg
Her fur is long and soft. If you look at her elbow on her front leg you can see where she has filled out. She doesn't look like a bag of bones anymore and certainly feels better!

[E & B's Mom]

I don't see a lot of raw feeders here, but maybe that's because we're all on raw sites! I did the research 3 years ago when my one-year-old had chronic diarhea. The vets kept trying different "perscription" foods that eliminate one ingredient, but its all a shot in the dark, and, as we have all learned, all of the foods are made by the same companies, irrespective of how much you pay! And vets, like human doctors, are little concerned with, nor educated about, nutrition. I finally put my baby on BARF and he's been healthy ever since. Its pretty obvious if you read any of the literature that canines are carnivors, yet most commercial dog food is made primarily of cheap grain and rendered animal waste products (including feathers off the slaughterhouse floor). We all love our babies, and owe it to them to treat them with as much love as they give us - that includes feeding them healthy foods, and by healthy, I mean what a canine's digestive system is designed to consume and extract nutrients from. Feed em chicken wings, veggie mix, organ meat, a diverse and varied diet with lots of raw meaty bones. Then you know what your babies are eating, and that its the best you can give them. they deserve it.

[rangersmom]

I believe that Canidae is a great food for all life stages. They have been around a long time. I fed our Utah(Golden Retreiver) this food for all of his 16 years on this earth and am now feeding our 9 month old Viszla the same. I read a great book called Foods Pets Die For. It opened my eyes.
Rangers mOm

[blink]

this thread just enlightened me. i never cared for what my dogs eat. i thought all the while all were safe for my dogs. it didn't matter whatever brand i have. but since ive read this, i'm gonna take it to the experts. i don't wanna lose my dogs because of negligence. thanks for the info guys!

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[Sanas_K]

I've been getting Purina One Sensitive Stomachs for my Sana...I don't see that one on the list, but I recently was told to try the Purina Dog Chow because it was cheaper...I do see that on the list but I don't intend on getting it anymore anyway...and I'm hoping high and mighty that it doesn't upset her stomach. X_x

This Canidae...it's for dogs and puppies of all ages? About how much does it cost for the dry kibble? Say...a 15 or 25 lb bag? I'd love to be feeding both my baby-puppy and the teen-dog the same food...anything bad about this brand? Anyone had issues with sensitive stomachs and this brand?

[Renee750il]

Canidae would be a giant step up from what you're feeding now. There aren't many foods any lower down the quality scale than Purina products.

[jv17]

sorry for the late reply im new in this forum anyway thanks for sharing that..atleast now im aware of this..