Pedigrees

[stevinski]

I've decided to try and track harleys pedigree back as far as i can
so far im at 7 generations.

i was just wondering how far back do you guys no for your dogs???

[Herschel]

I've decided to try and track harleys pedigree back as far as i can
so far im at 7 generations.

i was just wondering how far back do you guys no for your dogs???

For Herschel - 0 (Puppymill dog)

For Nala - 0 (Rescue)

:)

[FrenchKissed]

I've decided to try and track harleys pedigree back as far as i can
so far im at 7 generations.

i was just wondering how far back do you guys no for your dogs???


If you are tracking it for fun, you can go very far back...if you're tracking it for breeding, usually 5 generations is sufficient.

[Tankstar]

I know none for blaze as he is a puppy mill dog. All the other dogs we have had growing up I would say all were from back yard breeders, and one was a rescue so who knows.

[Beanie]

One afternoon, I plowed all the way back through Auggie's pedigree to a list of "founding dogs" for the breed. It was just for fun though... I was actually just searching out photos of his great-grandparents, then I wanted to see their great-grandparents, and then it just got out of hand, haha!

[MicksMom]

I paid the AKC for 4 generations (back to Great Grandparents). On my own, I've gone back as far as his 8th Great Grandparents on his mother's side.

[basi]

We are lucky in our breed to have a pedigree database that has nearly every Basenji that has been bred in the world, so I can actually trace mine right back to the original dogs that were brought in from Africa.

[MicksMom]

One afternoon, I plowed all the way back through Auggie's pedigree to a list of "founding dogs" for the breed. It was just for fun though... I was actually just searching out photos of his great-grandparents, then I wanted to see their great-grandparents, and then it just got out of hand, haha!

Yep, that's what happened with me, too. Fun, isn't it? I was actually surprised at the dogs behind Caleb. By the time I'm done playing, my eyes aren't focusing too well! :lol-sign:

[stevinski]

okay well im back 17 generations and thats only working on his mums side,
and i have discovered that almost his whole of his mothers side came form the same two breedings way way back.
There is also alot of line breeding in his pedigree

[IliamnasQuest]

This may be hard to believe, but I've got Khana's pedigree traced back 56 generations in one area! There are some incredible chow pedigree databases online and since she has some well-known chows in her background, I was able to just keep going back and back until I hit the very first chows registered. This is back into the 1800's. It was fun going back through but it sure gets complicated trying to keep it all straight - I was printing off various pedigrees and then marking them as to generations, indicating which dog in the last generation on each pedigree that I was researching next, etc.

Of course, now I just have a huge pile of papers that really mean nothing, but I can at least say "I know her relatives 56 generations back!! *LOL*

Melanie and the gang in Alaska

[Mach1girl]

I paid for a 16 generation pedigree on Dixie. I had the 4 gen onbe, until Daizy was born and I thought maybe her disability was genetic, so that started a generation search. Went back far enough to rule out any genetic faults. (ones that will affaect anything anyway)It is neat to learn where your baby came from.

[stevinski]

well i was typing it all out on excel, which wasnt so much fun

[fillyone]

Horand von Grafrath SZ/1
Born : 01. January 1895
That would be the first German Shepherd. :)

The GSD has a huge amount of pedigrees here and there are sections for other breeds as well!!

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/

[colliewog]

The furthest I've gone lately is 11 generations, but I could easily go more with a little more effort.

[stevinski]

Some interesting pedigree trivia:

There are 30 dogs in a 4 generation pedigree.

There are 510 dogs in an 8 generation pedigree.

There are 8,190 dogs in a 12 generation pedigree.

There are 130,210 dogs in a 16 generation pedigree.

[irenafarm]

The BC hasn't had a formal studbook very long compared to some breeds, and there's giant holes where it's really easy to run into a "NR" dead end - even just a few generations ago.

I have two dogs whose ancestors were mostly hill-bred, though their near relations were National and Supreme Champions (ie, parents or grandparents). That's the way it often works.

My pup, however, is from really old, famous lines (for BCs). Oddly, although I'm a real freak for pedigrees and love to play the pedigree tracing game, I didn't do it when I purchased Ted. It wasn't until his papers arrived from ABCA (which include a five generation ped), that I sat down and started going back from the sixth and on - he's got several lines that are traceable back to the foundation dogs of the breed. My old Ben dog is similiarly bred and that is true of him too.

You can get back to Old Hemp, Loos II, the Caps, etc, on most working BCs, pretty easily, first because the documentation is there, and second because in terms of dog generations, many of them aren't that far away. Working BCs tend to be bred late in life compared to show dogs - first litters not until three or four on males, sometimes later on bitches. I had one dog that went back to the late sixties (the time of the famous Wiston Cap, but he had no Cap himself) in only three generations - that's darn close to human generations.

[Xerxes]

I can go back as far as 7 or 8 generations until I get to Malta. Yes, there's a lot of line breeding in PHs, Xerxes sire was also his great grand-sire. Apparently there was generally a skip of 2 generations before his breeder would line breed. Not too bad, as she achieved a very stable line.

[SizzleDog]

I've got both dogs traced back to the first registered Dobermans (and some unregistered!) in Germany.

Iliamnasquest, do you use a program to keep things straight? I currently have mine in an Excel document, but it's hottibly bulky and hard to navigate!

[summitview]

I traced Windy back to the boat (the first Siberians imported). It took me months and going through a lot of old books that I have collected over the years, as well as going through a lot of internet sites. At one point I had it all printed and mapped on a wall of my house. I did it for fun, it was very neat.

[Mayasmydobe]

DARN YOU ALL! You made me want to trace Maya back as far as I can, but I am just getting myself confused....

Do you just go to Google and type in the last known dog?

Sizzle... Hey, I might be able to figure out quite a bit of it. but it might need your help though.
Maya's got CH Bruda Demands Pride in her pedigree as her Dam's Dam's Sire and from what I have found now Demand is also her Sire's Sire's Dam's Sire... thats as far as I have gotten so far.
I know you had mentioned before that Your dog's breeder had a pretty thorough (sp) pedigree on her dogs. Do you think she would have one on Demand?

edit- ok, apparently typing in the dog's AKC name into google doesnt work :(
I have no clue where to go from here...

[stevinski]

i did it through google, but if the last name in the pedigree didnt work i would type in his offsprings name, cause then you normally get a 5 gen pedigree so it would say the furthest aways sire/dam and grandsire/dam

[IliamnasQuest]

Iliamnasquest, do you use a program to keep things straight? I currently have mine in an Excel document, but it's hottibly bulky and hard to navigate!

*LOL* ... I have a huge pile of word documents in table format - no, I don't use a program! I just put 5-6 generations on each page and use a numbering system to indicate the generations back from Khana and where I've gone on to other pages. Some of the pedigrees I was able to just print straight off of online pedigrees, which was handy. There are some massive databases for chows, luckily, and that is the only reason I was able to go that far back.

I've only really concentrated on the first six generations, researching them as to health mostly. I went through the OFA database and searched each dog for certifications, and did other online searches for any dog that wasn't listed in the OFA database. It was very time consuming!

Melanie and the gang

[Mayasmydobe]

well, I was able to go back two more generations on Maya's dam's side.
Still nothing on her Sire's side though :(

[summitview]

DARN YOU ALL! You made me want to trace Maya back as far as I can, but I am just getting myself confused....

Do you just go to Google and type in the last known dog?


Google can definitely help. I also surfed just about every single Siberian breeder site on the internet, as well, reading pedigrees. I had paper pedigrees I'd collected over the years from other breed history enthusiasts. I also had my books. It's a collaboration of different sources and it can take time but it is definitely fun. Good luck!

[fillyone]

Doberman's on the pedigree database
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/doberman_pinscher/breedinfo.html
19461 active pedigrees in the database

[HarleyD]

Got ya'll beat. I can go back to 1878. All dual ch or ch from father on back to 1878 dog. :)