Great Pyretriever

[squirtsmom]

Yes, my neighbor with the Golden Retriever wants to breed Baby and start a new breed. I told him to bend over and take one for the team. Idiot.

[bubbatd]

LOL!!!! Understand where you come from !! Thank God there's GPs in the Golden background !!! But we don't need that today !

[Baxter'smybaby]

LOL--you crack me up!

[PWCorgi]

Oh! DO IT! I'll give you 1,000,000,000 for a puppy and you'll be a millionaire!! D IT!! :rolleyes: He is an idiot.

[squirtsmom]

You know, I have a tiny toy poodle, maybe that would be a better match.

[Momof2Pups]

Oh, crap.
Yes, make mini-goldendoodles, and make up some funky color and add an extra grand on for that.

[squirtsmom]

Sounds like a plan, muahahahaha.

[Sapphire-Light]

Oh, crap.
Yes, make mini-goldendoodles, and make up some funky color and add an extra grand on for that.

Or better T-cup goldens :D

[shadowfacedanes]

Mini Goldepyrapoos.

You shall make loads of money. I can see it now.

It is an empire in the making.

::cough::

I think I'd have to plant a few crap mines in the ole neighbors yard while he's sleeping. Whatta moron.

[squirtsmom]

Yes he is, and we love to annoy him. We are bad neighbors.

[Fruit bat]

I can't ( "snicker snicker" ) even imagine annoying the neighbors on purpose ( giggle giggle) . Who would do such a low down thing ???:D

[Aussie Red]

Jerks that is all they are3. I hate people trying to breed dogs together for no reason other then to think it is cool. Jerks and kudos to you for telling him what he can go do to himself.

[FrenchKissed]

Thank God there's GPs in the Golden background !!!


Do you mean this literally? Or tongue and cheek?


Squirtsmom: You can tell your neighbor this, wether or not it will deture him who knows.
Most pyr rescues will not even accept pyr mixes due to the unpredictable nature of the dogs. Pyrs are not a breed that mix easily. I think in all my time doing rescue I only successfully placed one. The rest were not suitable for homes.

[lilprairiemutt]

I think one reason they don't mix well is because the Pyr doesn't have a strong prey drive, its been bred to guard flocks, not herd them or hunt them. Then people go and cross them with BC or hunting type dogs and the two conflicting instincts drive them insane. Thats just my two cents anyway.

Shimmering Gold Pyroodles. They come in giant or thimble size.LOL

[squirtsmom]

Well lilprairiemutt, that sounds reasonable to me. Anyway, my girl is going to be spayed soon, and she will not be attacked by the uh, dog.

[FrenchKissed]

Well lilprairiemutt, that sounds reasonable to me. Anyway, my girl is going to be spayed soon, and she will not be attacked by the uh, dog.



She is exactly right. The nature of the pyr is so delicate that when crossed with another breed, especially with drive, you usually get a disaster.

[noludoru]

OMG Minipyrapoos. I'll pay you a bajillion dollars for a Golden Cashmere Mini Pyrapoo with Lilac spots. ;)

[squirtsmom]

Ok but if I do that, noone here can flame me for doing it. hehehe

[noludoru]

Oh no one would flame you... they'd flame me for being smart enough to reserve one. ;)

[squirtsmom]

Then its a done deal. I have a recurring dream that I have adopted a bright red cat. Don't know why, but there it is.

[oc_spirit]

Actually Golden/pyr corsses are surprisingly common, its just that people arent honest about the cross ;) It is especially common in the show world where show breeders try to breed a more calm, laid back dog that is happierto be in the ring and get touched by the judge rather than simply tolerate it ;) But evryone knows mixes cant be shown in the ring so they do their F1 cross, then breed back to some naturally lax Pyrs and all along have falsified paper work and voila! No one is the wiser...or so they think...

[squirtsmom]

I didn't know they did that. Baby is going to remain virtuous. Can;t imagine some doofus dog doing that to her. eeewwwww.

[irenafarm]

I've got a rescue BC/Pyr cross right here. He's sweet as pie, no temperamental problems at all. You can't tell he's a Pyr unless you were looking for the signs, though.

Drift takes way more after the livestock guardian side, oddly, even though he looks pure BC (well, with a little "hmmm", about the head). When he's with the sheep, he just walks or trots around them and then tries to get my young male Maremma to play. You can get him to work them a little but it's really casual looking.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/brookcove/Rescue/Drift/DriftHeadshotSept07.jpg

Here he's standing next to my very tall purebred BC, Ben. Ben is 23" tall. Drift is right next to Ben, not closer to the camera. He really is a couple inches taller than Ben.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/brookcove/Rescue/Drift/DriftandBenSept07.jpg

[bubbatd]

Lovely dogs !

[FrenchKissed]

Actually Golden/pyr corsses are surprisingly common, its just that people arent honest about the cross ;) It is especially common in the show world where show breeders try to breed a more calm, laid back dog that is happierto be in the ring and get touched by the judge rather than simply tolerate it ;) But evryone knows mixes cant be shown in the ring so they do their F1 cross, then breed back to some naturally lax Pyrs and all along have falsified paper work and voila! No one is the wiser...or so they think...



I hate to burst your bubble but this is a complete fairy tail.

[noludoru]

Doesn't FrenchKissed breed Goldens and her friend owns Pyrs? Fascinating.

[irenafarm]

Why would you want a Pyrenees that was friendly rather than a little reserved? They are supposed to be livestock guardian dogs. They are not supposed to be people aggressive but they are not supposed to be slobbering all over every stranger, either. "Sizing you up" is the attitude I'd want to see from a good LGD breed. An intelligent reserve.

[squirtsmom]

Who said what? I've missed something. I like my Great Pyr just the way she is, slobber and all. What about friendly or reserved, etc.? I'm lost.

[noludoru]

Why would you want a Pyrenees that was friendly rather than a little reserved? They are supposed to be livestock guardian dogs. They are not supposed to be people aggressive but they are not supposed to be slobbering all over every stranger, either. "Sizing you up" is the attitude I'd want to see from a good LGD breed. An intelligent reserve.

Well, if you were an inferior or lazy handler, it would be nice if you had a watered-down dog in the ring to make it easier on you and the judge, eh? Refer to OC's post.

No true Great Pyrenees lover would ever want to water down their dogs, though. People like Linda love the breed for itself, LGD traits and all.

[FrenchKissed]

Doesn't FrenchKissed breed Goldens and her friend owns Pyrs? Fascinating.



The color genetics involved in making a pyr white with wolf-grey markings or badger markings (which is what most pyrs are) would create, in many cases, a black offspring.
And before you ask me how I know this, many years in the trenches of pyr rescue and the fact that there are a few people on the net that cross the breeds and sell them under a fad name.
In the golden ring it is about flash and movement, the last thing anyone would want to do is use a breed that is known for *not* being a showman.

[ToscasMom]

Squirtsmom, how does it feel to know you have a neighbor who is a potential candidate for the Darwin Awards?

[squirtsmom]

It fills me with pride. hahaha. And Nolu is right, I do love my dog just the way she is. What is wrong with her?

[noludoru]

The color genetics involved in making a pyr white with wolf-grey markings or badger markings (which is what most pyrs are) would create, in many cases, a black offspring.
And before you ask me how I know this, many years in the trenches of pyr rescue and the fact that there are a few people on the net that cross the breeds and sell them under a fad name.
In the golden ring it is about flash and movement, the last thing anyone would want to do is use a breed that is known for *not* being a showman.

ROFL why would I ask you how you know Pyr x Golden crosses have a high likelihood of being black? Here I thought that was common knowledge. (Though, just to tell you, the "wolf grey" markings you are talking about is called Wolf Sable, or just sable for short.) I am sure you have first hand knowledge of the fact. However, as OC said, if you cross them back to Pyrs in the second generation.... voila no one would be the wiser.

Though I have to wonder at your adamant refusal that Pyr x Golden crosses happen all the time... especially when you admitted to it above.

[squirtsmom]

You go girl.

[noludoru]

Out of your thread? :(

[squirtsmom]

What do you mean, out of my thread? I could go on forever cutie pie.

[noludoru]

LOL okay I'll stay.

off topic/ How's Baby doing? We haven't had any pictures in soooo long, and I bet she's bigger than Middie now. :eek:

[FrenchKissed]

ROFL why would I ask you how you know Pyr x Golden crosses have a high likelihood of being black? Here I thought that was common knowledge. (Though, just to tell you, the "wolf grey" markings you are talking about is called Wolf Sable, or just sable for short.) I am sure you have first hand knowledge of the fact. However, as OC said, if you cross them back to Pyrs in the second generation.... voila no one would be the wiser.

Though I have to wonder at your adamant refusal that Pyr x Golden crosses happen all the time... especially when you admitted to it above.



In the pyr standard and verbage, it is referred to as wolf-grey. Yes it's sable but that is the standard title for the color.

They (the crosses) do not happen with people looking to improve the golden retriever breed and their results in the ring. The only people breeding them are people making designer crosses. That's like saying the yorkie breeders are crossing with shihtzu to improve coat...

[noludoru]

In the pyr standard and verbage, it is referred to as wolf-grey. Yes it's sable but that is the standard title for the color.

They (the crosses) do not happen with people looking to improve the golden retriever breed and their results in the ring. The only people breeding them are people making designer crosses. That's like saying the yorkie breeders are crossing with shih tzu to improve coat...

I think you missed the point, hon.... The people breeding them are attempting to improve how Pyrs, an LGD breed, react to judges in the ring. To make them easier to show for the inferior handlers. We weren't saying a thing about ringside Goldens--if you are mixing two breeds to put the temperament of one in the good looks of another to win in the ring, you wouldn't even need Champion Goldens to do it, they could be any BYB dogs with soft temperaments. It's the Great Pyrenees that would have to have good conformation.

[Bob4eva]

He a no good foo' squirtsmom.

[FrenchKissed]

I think you missed the point, hon.... The people breeding them are attempting to improve how Pyrs, an LGD breed, react to judges in the ring. To make them easier to show for the inferior handlers. We weren't saying a thing about ringside Goldens--if you are mixing two breeds to put the temperament of one in the good looks of another to win in the ring, you wouldn't even need Champion Goldens to do it, they could be any BYB dogs with soft temperaments. It's the Great Pyrenees that would have to have good conformation.


No I had it reveresed then, and I still say its not happening. They are not using goldens to make pyrs better show dogs. You still have a genetics issue involving color and with that type of breeding loss of dew claws.
The do tend to select for a flashier dog for the show ring, often selecting for an incorrect temperament rather than a stoic non-reactive dog. But they are not using goldens to make pyrs "better" either.

[squirtsmom]

I d on't know anything about show dogs, or cross breeding. Ignorant to all of that, but I will say that the GP is fine on its own. what does LGD stand for?

[shadowfacedanes]

what does LGD stand for?

Livestock Guardian Dog

:)

[squirtsmom]

Oh, I didn't know that. She is quite the guardian. she watches of Lola like crazy. Always following her and sniffing her, and laying by her when she naps, watching over her.

[HarleyD]

Ok, so the neighbor wanted to breed his GR with your Pyr. Well, you could always get her spayed, bring her over and let good ol' smarty neighbor guy's GR "have his way" with her, bring her home, say she's pregnant a week later...then about 2 weeks before she'd be "due" you tell him all the pups miscarried. Tell him the GR genes screwed up the pups and they couldn't make it to term. All of this AFTER you charge him a huge stud fee! NO REFUNDS!!! :) Cruel, but fun...

(J/K It'd be way wrong to keep the money, but fun to see his face)

[noludoru]

Pfft, keep the money? She could donate it to golden rescue. :p Or use the stud fee to have him neutered, LMAO.

[squirtsmom]

I'd like to have h im neutered.