Akita/husky bites jogger in stomach

[casablanca1]

As a change of pace from the pitties are biter/pitties are wuvmuffins fights, here's a totally unrelated breed who bit someone.

http://www.dailyfreeman.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1769&dept_id=74958&newsid=14614169&PAG=461&rfi=9

Although my instinct is always to symapathize with the dog/owner, I have my doubts here. The dog knocked a grown man down and bit him in the stomach? That's pretty predatory behavior for a sweet ol' family pet. And the dog wasn't vaccinated or licensed. The dog warden's concern that the family could easily just move on and the dog's history as a biter ignored seems pretty realistic. I'm really not inclined to ever say 'kill the dog' in situations I'm not directly involved in, because I don't know exactly what happened or who the people are. But I notice the owners said "we're sorry, and this never happened before." They didn't say "this'll never happen again."

[oriondw]

If the jogger was approaching from behind and closer to night time I dont see a problem.

Jogger should know better, if someone was trying to run behind me and overtake me withing inches of me, my dog would take care of that person real quick. Luckily for stupid joggers my head moves 360 degree's at all times.

In most of my experiences joggers who dont own dogs are complete morons who think they own the sidewalk. They think that people should see them few miles away and let them through at night. Instead of running around the dog, or alerting the owner from longer distance.

Just my point of view, ill over choose dogs side instead of joggers simply from experience,.

[gaddylovesdogs]

It says Douglas Wolf, a Marbletown resident and attorney, was jogging on Cooper Street on May 9, something he has done daily for several years, when the unleashed dog ran up to his back, knocked him down and bit him in the side of his stomach.
so the dog ran up behind him and bit him.

"This was a freak accident," said Belmont. "I feel sorry for Doug; it must be scary to have a dog run out at you, but it isn't as if this dog has ever done it before. This dog is a gentle, 10-year-old family dog."
Just because the dog hasn't done it before does not mean that he can't do it. Dogs have teeth. They are capable of biting, and causing injury. It was not a freak accident, IMO.

[Rose's Gal]

Well, I'm not going to blame the dog, or the jogger...how about this instead....STUPID FREAK'N OWNER!!! :mad: He shouldn't be letting this dog run loose in the first place!!!!! Even if it is freindly!!! A dog shouldn't just go up and bite somebody in the stomach for no reason!!! That guy was right, what if it was a child? That kid would probably be dead. That dog needs to be rehomed to somebody who will actually take care of it and be responsible. Stupid owner....

[juliefurry]

Well if not rehomed they should atleast uphold a vicous dog rule on it. Lots of dogs that attack people once, and don't seem to pose a threat will be given specific instructions (leashed at all times, muzzled when out in public). That's just my two cents. Who knows who is at fault, maybe they don't let their dog out unleashed but that night it slipped out the door, or gate, on accident (my stepsons are constantly in and out of the house and the dog slips out every once in awhile).

[mrose_s]

i think there is more to it than that. I just cant see a dog running up BEHIND someone and attacking them, if they ride past on a bike - Bike = fast = running prey
than you can see the dogs point of view.
but it says he was "jogging" not a fast paced race im sure.
I believe the dog was either taunted, entced or perhaps even trained or ordered to do this.

I DONT EVER AGREE WITH PUTTING DOGS DOWN FOR BITING PEOPLE because a person can mass murder 50 people and get jailed for life, while a dog can be teased and taunted untilll it snaps and it gets killed. if we did to people what we do to dogs, we would be beaten and bashed out of every public appearence we ever made.

[Athe]

This is entirely the dog owners fault, he should be held liable and fines should be given. No dog should be allowed to run at large, and all dogs should be properly confined to their own yard with proper fencing...or better still, no dog should be left unsupervised or unleashed even in their own yard unless the dog has little prey drive or you have proper fencing.

Jogger should know better, if someone was trying to run behind me and overtake me withing inches of me, my dog would take care of that person real quick. Luckily for stupid joggers my head moves 360 degree's at all times.

In most of my experiences joggers who dont own dogs are complete morons who think they own the sidewalk. They think that people should see them few miles away and let them through at night. Instead of running around the dog, or alerting the owner from longer distance.
oriondw
When a person can place blame on the jogger, that is scary. These joggers pay tax dollars, there is no need of them having to concern themselves or be threatened of any dog when they are jogging or enjoying the community. There are many people who enjoy getting out and jogging, biking, walking who don't like or understand dogs. There is no reason these people should have to take a course on dog behavior before they decide to take up these sports.
It's the dog owners responsibility to either train their dog properly, or if your dog has a high predatory drive or guarding behavior then its the dog owners responsibility to find a secluded non jogged spot to walk their dog...not the joggers responsibility.
A dog can go into predatory drift over the slightest movements. A jogger would be a prime object for a dog with a high prey drive to focus on. I have seen some dogs go into predatory eye stalk motor pattern over a frightened child. My Rottweiler uses her predatory drives towards my other dogs. I get to see first hand just how dangerous a dog with the enhanced drives of some breeds can be. My Newf's and Dobie can be walking along minding their own business and my Rottie will just happen to glance at them and go into eye stalk, if my other dogs move she will then chase them or if they stand stock still she will run at them and nip at their legs. I am very careful with my Rottweiler as I know that could be very dangerous around children playing outside. Inside the house it is a completely different story, she loves children...but, children can easily trigger predatory drift even with their shrill play cries and zig zag running patterns etc. You can't just say a dog is an over all good dog cause he will let the children pat him in a controlled environment. When you are dealing with a breed with the full series of motor patterns with some of the drives enhanced, then you have to be extra careful. The scary part is, there are too many people who don't understand or study motor patterns of the predatory drive before they buy a dog who has them.

[moe]

Huskies have a very strong prey drive, and this man running would have probaly kicked this drive into place, the owner, was irrisponsible having the dog off lead, anyone who has huskies will advise they should never be off lead.

Mo

[Amstaffer]

Athe -- You hit the nail on the head! I agree completely.

[lablovingirl]

Most likely the jogger panicked and tried to run faster and thats like begging a dog to attack you if it barked and chased him he pobably panicked!

[lablovingirl]

moe I agree

[oriondw]

oriondw
When a person can place blame on the jogger, that is scary. These joggers pay tax dollars, there is no need of them having to concern themselves or be threatened of any dog when they are jogging or enjoying the community.

I assure you, most dog owners pay tax dollars as well. Im sure you didnt mean that joggers should be careless and at times simply stupid while enjoying community? Common courtesy hasnt hurt anyone yet as far as I know.

There are many people who enjoy getting out and jogging, biking, walking who don't like or understand dogs. There is no reason these people should have to take a course on dog behavior before they decide to take up these sports.
It's the dog owners responsibility to either train their dog properly, or if your dog has a high predatory drive or guarding behavior then its the dog owners responsibility to find a secluded non jogged spot to walk their dog...not the joggers responsibility.

It is the owners responsibility to train the dog and look out for joggers! I agree. But, saying that dog owners should simply pack up and go where no one runs is ignorant and offensive. Dog owners have as much rights as any average jogger. If a jogger doesnt like or understand dogs, why dont they stop and alert the owner? Or simply run around the dog owner? Please dont tell me its hard to do it :p

A dog can go into predatory drift over the slightest movements. A jogger would be a prime object for a dog with a high prey drive to focus on. I have seen some dogs go into predatory eye stalk motor pattern over a frightened child. My Rottweiler uses her predatory drives towards my other dogs. I get to see first hand just how dangerous a dog with the enhanced drives of some breeds can be. My Newf's and Dobie can be walking along minding their own business and my Rottie will just happen to glance at them and go into eye stalk, if my other dogs move she will then chase them or if they stand stock still she will run at them and nip at their legs. I am very careful with my Rottweiler as I know that could be very dangerous around children playing outside. Inside the house it is a completely different story, she loves children...but, children can easily trigger predatory drift even with their shrill play cries and zig zag running patterns etc. You can't just say a dog is an over all good dog cause he will let the children pat him in a controlled environment. When you are dealing with a breed with the full series of motor patterns with some of the drives enhanced, then you have to be extra careful. The scary part is, there are too many people who don't understand or study motor patterns of the predatory drive before they buy a dog who has them. This doesnt really relate to anything I wrote as I was basing my statements on the fact that most joggers are inconsiderate and dont care for rights of other people on the sidewalk. If a dog eye stalks a jogger or whoever that means the owner, if he's any good, has probably noticed the jogger as well and has time to take direct control of his dog. Dogs known to be agressive or have high prey drive should never be off-leash.


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[Athe]

I assure you, most dog owners pay tax dollars as well. Im sure you didnt mean that joggers should be careless and at times simply stupid while enjoying community? Common courtesy hasnt hurt anyone yet as far as I know.
My point is -Joggers, children on bikes etc... it is their right to walk, play, jog on the side walks and public parks. It is a "Privilege" for a dog owner to walk his dog on a side walk and in public places. If you have a dog that lunges at people or that you fear may not react well to being surprised or if the dog is otherwise not stable then you have no right to take that dog into public areas. If you expect people to have to watch out for your dog then IMO that is wrong. If you have a dog that may react badly in any situation then don't walk it in these public places. Now if there is a dog park specifically made for dogs then joggers should not be racing around these areas, they are designated for dogs.

It is the owners responsibility to train the dog and look out for joggers! I agree. But, saying that dog owners should simply pack up and go where no one runs is ignorant and offensive. Dog owners have as much rights as any average jogger. If a jogger doesnt like or understand dogs, why dont they stop and alert the owner? Or simply run around the dog owner? Please dont tell me its hard to do it
I will say it again. There are many people out there that don't like dogs. Why should they have to go out of their way to avoid your dog. It is a joggers RIGHT to be jogging on the side walk. It is a dog owners "PRIVILEGE" to walk his dog in public places. If you own a dog that is not sound or may react badly then this is your problem, not the joggers problem. You therefore have to find a new place to walk were you will not bother joggers...or put a muzzle on the dog or a head halter for better control of head and mouth. I would report a person whose dog was lunging in a threatening manner at passing joggers, bikers etc. That to me is a dog which could potentially be dangerous. I like to catch a dangerous situation before it turns into reality of a bite or worse. :) If the owner knows the dog has some problems walking in public places and you have no where else to walk then ensure you use a muzzle on the dog when in public. It is a dog owners responsibility to make the community safe, not a non dog persons responsibiltiy to learn to avoid hazards or learn more about dogs in general.

[oriondw]

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[Amstaffer]

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:confused: what does that mean?

[mrose_s]

Everyone is saying "should have been on a leash"

But my dog buster is agressive to other dogs. I walk him off the leash in semi controlled atreas ie a small paddock where dogs dont usually come. And accidents can still happen. Why put a dog through the misery of being restrained for its entire life when WE bred the prey drive into it?

[mrose_s]

My point is -Joggers, children on bikes etc... it is their right to walk, play, jog on the side walks and public parks. It is a "Privilege" for a dog owner to walk his dog on a side walk and in public places. If you have a dog that lunges at people or that you fear may not react well to being surprised or if the dog is otherwise not stable then you have no right to take that dog into public areas. If you expect people to have to watch out for your dog then IMO that is wrong. If you have a dog that may react badly in any situation then don't walk it in these public places. Now if there is a dog park specifically made for dogs then joggers should not be racing around these areas, they are designated for dogs.


I will say it again. There are many people out there that don't like dogs. Why should they have to go out of their way to avoid your dog. It is a joggers RIGHT to be jogging on the side walk. It is a dog owners "PRIVILEGE" to walk his dog in public places. If you own a dog that is not sound or may react badly then this is your problem, not the joggers problem. You therefore have to find a new place to walk were you will not bother joggers...or put a muzzle on the dog or a head halter for better control of head and mouth. I would report a person whose dog was lunging in a threatening manner at passing joggers, bikers etc. That to me is a dog which could potentially be dangerous. I like to catch a dangerous situation before it turns into reality of a bite or worse. :) If the owner knows the dog has some problems walking in public places and you have no where else to walk then ensure you use a muzzle on the dog when in public. It is a dog owners responsibility to make the community safe, not a non dog persons responsibiltiy to learn to avoid hazards or learn more about dogs in general.


no animal should have to feel "priveliged" to walk on a side walk. it is as much its right as it is ours

[Sunnypup]

I don't agree that it is a dog owners "privilage" to use the sidewalk! It's statements like that that make me wish I lived in the middle of nowhere, just me, my husband and my dog. :mad: I'm sorry I pay taxes too. This owner was wrong but I agree that a majority of the joggers I have seen have little to no regard to what is going on around them. Sure, they shouldn't have to take a dog safety course but they should be aware of their surroundings, just as you are asking the dog owner to be. We've bred dogs to be what they are. It isn't their fault, it wasn't part of a natural process that we have huskies, and aussies, and jack russel terriers. It was by selective breeding to get spacific traits. In my opinon a beautiful, strong, majestic dog like a husky has no buisness having to live around joggers and the like. He should be out in the wild with his owner pulling a sled and enjoying the great outdoors. But that is just my opinion. My point is we tend to blame the dog, and the owner when it is a sociatal issue. WHY are people afraid of dogs? Why do they instead of being aware of them as creatures to be respected do they taunt them or make hateful remarks towards owners? Sunny weighs in at 25lbs, and that is all the bigger he is going to get but he still deserves respect as a living creature. He lunges at people while we are walking...he wants to be petted and loved by every walking thing. I don't see that as a danger. A nusince maybe but not a danger, and we are working to correct the problem. To make this into a "no dogs allowed" issue really gets me heated. I just found out that the majority of the national parks now have "no dogs allowed" in the friggin backcountry. why? because it might scare some other hikers. I'm sorry, are we going to eradicate birds now because some people are afraid of them? What about coyotes. Or wolves...oh yeah, mostly already DONE that. It is human ignorance that says "I deserve to be here more then animals" , and it is that ignorance that deprives society of kindness and a true sense of love and respect for the world around them! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Amstaffer]

What it boils down to is we as pet owners have to control our pets....Period. If we don't or if one or two people don't, then local governments will prohibit dogs from certain areas or they will start the Anti-Breed law stuff.

I agree it is not fair but governments usually side against the pet owner. I have seen several parks in my area closed to dogs because people won't pick up the poop!

I have a little area where I let my dogs off leash and walk them around but I can see in all directions and I put the leashes on real quick if I see anyone even act like they might walk in my direction. I also have made sure my dogs are train to come when called....you would be surprise how many people out there have no control over there unleashed dog.

Sunnypup --Ideally I agree with everything you said at the end of you post about dog restrictions in America but they will only get worse if we are not careful.

[Athe]

But my dog buster is agressive to other dogs. I walk him off the leash in semi controlled atreas ie a small paddock where dogs dont usually come. And accidents can still happen. Why put a dog through the misery of being restrained for its entire life when WE bred the prey drive into it?
mrose_s, Yes, we did breed these prey drives into our dogs...they were bred to perform certain jobs. These dogs were never bred for living in a pet home. If you choose a breed with these high prey drives and full series of predatorial motor patterns then take precautions. It only takes one child to run frightened and screaming from a dog with high prey drive to be killed. Why do we run that risk? An accident should never have the opportunity to happen. This is why people should do research of the potential their chosen breed may have. If you choose a breed that potentially has a high prey drive then take extra steps to socialize the dog. The dog in this news story did a horrible thing, if it had been a child it could have been a mauling death. The owners should be charged and this dog should never have the opportunity to be loose again.
no animal should have to feel "priveliged" to walk on a side walk. it is as much its right as it is ours
No mrose_s, the urban areas are inhabited by people. There are many people who don't care for dogs. It is a privilege for you to walk your dog in public areas, a well behaved obedience trained dog that is not lunging at people is completely acceptable. You have no right to endanger people or children if you own a dog that is out of control..then that is your responsibility to ensure the safety of other people...its not their responsibility to watch out for your dog or take precautions of their own.

[gaddylovesdogs]

I do not believe that walking a dog on the sidewalk is a dog owner's privilege. It is our right. I have three dogs, and guess where we walk? On the sidewalk. Where little children and elderly people walk, too. I have just as much right to walk on the darn sidewalk as anyone else does, and so do my dogs. But I do believe that if you are in an area where there are other people (and dangers such as cars, and there are leash-laws), your dog should be leashed. Period. My dogs are walked off-leash in a field which is near a bikepath. They are well trained and come on command, besides, they're too busy sniffing and hunting to bug anyone on the path.

You have no right to endanger people or children if you own a dog that is out of control..then that is your responsibility to ensure the safety of other people...its not their responsibility to watch out for your dog or take precautions of their own.
I agree with this. My dogs are all very well-trained and absolutely LOVE kids (they'd rahter cover their faces in kisses that bite them). My dogs walk on loose-lead, my BC mix Tippy and my canaan mix Colby like to walk a little bit in front of me while my lab, May, prefers to stick to me like glue. If someone seems to be weary of my dogs, or is passing by us (the sidewalk is only about 2 3/4 feet wide), I shorten the leads or put the dogs in heel position until that person has passed.

[gaddylovesdogs]

I assure you, most dog owners pay tax dollars as well. Im sure you didnt mean that joggers should be careless and at times simply stupid while enjoying community? Common courtesy hasnt hurt anyone yet as far as I know.

I do not believe the jogger was being careless. He was simply taking a jog, as he had always done, and the dog ran up behind him and attacked him. The dog had apparently escaped from his yard, and was off-lead. The owners apparently did not know that the dog had escaped, and the jogger did not know that the dog was out, off-lead. When you go out to take a dog, you don't expect for a dog to be running around off-leash, and for it to attack you.

[Sunnypup]

I don't think the issue here anymore is about this one attack. It is about peoples respect for the fact that we moved in and changed dogs. We take them into our houses and treat them like family. We took their wide open spaces and made them our own, sidewalks included. If anyone is being an intruder it is us. What is wrong with animals being in cities. They used to be forests. And what is wrong with me taking my dog on a backpacking trip in a national park? He's well trained and doesn't chase animals I say to leave alone. But someone somewhere raised a friggin stink because their twerpy little asthmatic 12 year old freaked out because they were in the park and saw a dog. Maybe not even an owned dog, just a wandering dog. And it scared him and his imbicile mother who was walking on the trail in high heels and declaring what a disgusting place the forest was and how they should cut it down and build somcthing civilized like a shopping mall. People with money control this stupid world and the people lobbying against our dogs have it. The kind of people who don't like dogs have either a)been attacked by them or b) just don't think animals deserve the right to occupy THEIR space if they don't want them to. That is how wolves became endangered, along with so many other animals. what now, the family dog? Some people won't be happy until every creature that isn't human or a little foofy prissy purse dog is done for. I'm sick of it. People suck. I vote that since barring Adam dogs were here first before us they have just as much right to live as stupid joggers who don't look where they are going and idiot dog owners who don't train their dogs. :mad: :mad:

also this particular case it might not have been the joggers fault but why did it get media coverage?!! He didn't even need stitches!!!!!! :rolleyes: OH yeah, lets bash those big evil dogs in the media again, make more people scared then they already are. Sounds like an AWESOME idea.

[Amstaffer]

yeah, lets bash those big evil dogs in the media again, make more people scared then they already are. Sounds like an AWESOME idea.

Exactly...we enjoy the culture of fear here in the USA. Watch the Movie "Bowling for Columbine" and you'll understand what I mean.

[thunder]

quote from sunny
"I vote that since barring Adam dogs were here first before us"

Actually GOD created ALL the animals first and mankind last :D

[joce]

My mom would go on a rant if she saw this! She will rarely go to a park where dogs are allowed. She is a bird watching fanatic and goes on long expensive trips to do it. I've heard her complaining abut the dogs disturbing the birds many times(you'd get pissed if you spent 5000 to go see some bird and it flew away while fi fis owner is chasing her down). When we were out west the one time a dog got loose and went after a buffalo.I think it is the bad owners that ruined it, not the dog haters. There are some no dog parks around here to and I've never blamed them. There is a gorgoues one right down the street from me adn because of there garden they don't allow dogs.Never bothered me. I get them in the car and go to the other funner park anyway! Then again I have a hundred plus acres for my dogs in my back yard so lack of a park to take them to is no big deal.

[Sunnypup]

When does it stop? When dogs aren't allowed. Period? I'm not willing to give the jogger the benifit of the doubt, neither am I the owners. I think this guy had MOTIVE for making a stink over a small knick to his belly. Not because he actually cared about some little girl getting bit. Lets face it, he probably would have run down a little girl if she was accidentally in his way. He wanted publicity. He wanted people to be scared of dogs because somewhere in his life he was taught to be scared of or disgusted by dogs. It's not a natural thing to hate animals. Infact an extreme hate of animals can be a sign that someone is a psychopath. People act like they own the world. It is disgusting. We're supposed to share. There shouldn't be a few thousand (million?) species extinct or endangered because people "need" to live in the forest, and then there is no more forest. People keep on encrouching on animals territory. WE BROUGHT THESE ANIMALS INTO OUR HOMES. It isn't their fault. Maybe the dog thought he was doing a GOOD thing? Sure the owner might be a dip but heck, find a few acres not used up by nitwits with money just keeping it around "in case" instead of using it for something useful, build some cheap dog houses, and put all the "dangerous" dogs(the ones that attack) there after they are fixed. We atleast give convicted criminals that courteousy. I won't say that animals are on the same level as humans. Given the choice between my own child (if I ever have one) and my dog if the house was burning down I would have to vote my child on the basis that a) my dog could probably find his own way out and b) geeze oh, I gave birth to or atleast adopted my child, and could potentially be found criminally negligent if I could have saved him. But anyway. Back to my point they atleast deserve what we give our own lowest of low, 3 meals a day, a roof over their heads and some chance for fun. I am sick of the "I have money so I deserve better then you " attitude. So what if mom pays 5000 to go see a friggen bird. I'm sorry, if you have that kind of money to throw away go do something useful with it and make the world a better place. Don't go complain because a dog is doing what a dog does in HIS environment. It is humans that made a show, a spectical of animalsWe need to adapt. Animals have been doing it for thousands of years. Instead of adapting to them we eradicate them one "nusince species" at a time. I'm sorry but my dog is NOT going to be next on that list.

[poeluvr]

to me if this dog is 10 yrs old and never done it before maybe it was A FREAK THING maybe something trigggered in his mind, family dogs just dont attack ppl. ithink this may only be a one time thing, but ppl must take precautions!

[joce]

The "I can do anything with my dog" attitude is why they are not allowed. What is wrong with walking the dog somewhere else. Horses are natural and I can't take them to every park I go to. They would be great at a lot of them. I think your attitude is kinda sucky. Dogs are not wolfs anymore. Those are already at the parks.There are real wild animals there that are affected by what we bring in including our dogs. I don't think by banning dogs at a national park anyone is trying to erradicate dogs as a species or make you suffer. Get over it. Did I say becaue i have money i am better than you? Errrr... no! Neither does that mean I magically get to walk my dog in the park :eek: The park has to think of not only every animal living there but every person that will visit and they impact they will have on it.

Now if someone comes to your house and says you can't walk your dog outside of your house,then you can worry.

[poeluvr]

joce are you telling this to me or to the person that started this topic?

[joce]

not you :)
To sunnypup who said
" I am sick of the "I have money so I deserve better then you " attitude. So what if mom pays 5000 to go see a friggen bird. I'm sorry, if you have that kind of money to throw away go do something useful with it and make the world a better place. Don't go complain because a dog is doing what a dog does in HIS environment."

I hate to break it to her but her puppys natural envirmonet is NOT yellowstone or glacier or whatever other park. Leave a dog there for a couple weeeks and see if it makes it. I doubt it.

[poeluvr]

o ok lol... i see you make a good point joce!:)

[Richie12345]

Well, I'm not going to blame the dog, or the jogger...how about this instead....STUPID FREAK'N OWNER!!! :mad: He shouldn't be letting this dog run loose in the first place!!!!! Even if it is freindly!!! A dog shouldn't just go up and bite somebody in the stomach for no reason!!! That guy was right, what if it was a child? That kid would probably be dead. That dog needs to be rehomed to somebody who will actually take care of it and be responsible. Stupid owner....
I agree with you 100%

[mrose_s]

just saying one more thing about this, including my own story. While some dogs can be dangerous. Others are great.

My sister and I were walking all our three dogs on leads along our street when a cattle dog mix came out and tried to attack us, we were always told just to drop the leads because sophie is huge and can look after herself. and with daisy just drag her back because she only weighs 5 kg and will take on anything. Buster was only a pup then and so when this dog came out (grace was walking sophie and I the other two) Ijust dropped both leads and moved and Buster and daisy followed me away (thank god) and grace let go of sophie and went to move and ... ran into a pole.

Now she is on the ground and this dog actually came to attack her and this sounds like it came out of a "lassie" movie but it actually happened. As this dog lunged at Grace, Sophie jumped in front of her and the dog backed down.

Meanwhile, the dogs family was just a few metres away. and a 3 YEAR OLD was just outside aswell. This dog WAS a family pet but it got over protective. Nothing bad happened because Sophie knew what to do.

I hope we never end up with the idea of walking your dogs in public areas is wrong becasue I know that whenever I walk, I am excercising myself an my dog as well and having a little extra security. This is not an argument to either side of this debate but I just wanted to let you know about that story.

[Irish]

As been stated many times in this post - We HAVE to be responsible as dog owners. This is not infringing on our rights, it is protecting the rights of everyone. I'm sorry, but it is not the jogger's responsibility to 'not run in front of a house that has a dog that might attack him'! We are blaming the victim if you think that.

I had the sweetest lab/beagle mix you'd ever want to meet. But, every once in while, he would meet someone he did NOT like. He never bit anyone but he came close. It was my responsbilty to keep him away from people we did not know, which I did with ease. If I had ever let him out in the front yard unsupervised and he's gone and bit a jogger. That would have been my fault. Not the jogger's, no matter what his reaction would've been when the dog started to attack.

[poeluvr]

hmmm..interesting......

[casablanca1]

Ignoring the clearly mad idea that the jogger is to blame, the biggest difference of opinion here seems to be whether or not you can 'blame' a dog for bad behavior, or if it's all on the owner. While I agree that the owners here appear to be extremely unlikeable people, I believe that refusing to grant dogs the responsibility for their own actions is akin to refusing to grant them the ability to feel pain as we used to do back in the bad old days when vivisection was legal and dog pounds killed dogs by drowning them. Dogs are not innocents, they're animals with faculties that differ from ours. Different doesn't mean more pure, or less capable of malice. Many dogs are raised badly, treated callously, and never bite. Though man may have had a hand in creating a disaster, it's rarely that creator who suffers the consequences. It's usually some jogger, child or other dog who gets to reap the whirlwind.

As to the 'rescue the dog from bad owners' theory, I can't see it. With canine population being what it is, and good dogs getting pts every day for lack of homes, how moral is it to rehome/'rescue' dogs who have proven themselves a serious danger to humans and other animals? In limited circumstances, when an experienced and responsible person is willing to undertake a difficult dog, ok. But to suggest that it be done in every case, which I've seen people advocate here and elsewhere, is impractical at best.

[poeluvr]

[QUOTE]While I agree that the owners here appear to be extremely unlikeable people, [QUOTE]

[poeluvr]

[QUOTE=casablanca1] While I agree that the owners here appear to be extremely unlikeable people,[QUOTE]
DO YOU MEAN THE PEOPLE AT CHAZHOUND CASABLANCA

[casablanca1]

I was talking about the owners of the Akita mix, lea.

[Kate]

Not to make light of the dog biting, but the first sentence in the article says "dog bit a LAWYER..." those owners are in BIG trouble....

[casablanca1]

Reading between the lines of the article, though, are hints that the owners are trash. In which case, they're more familiar with the court system, their rights and the odds of beating out a victory than any lawyer ever born. In any case, the only way the owners would be in automatic trouble would be if the victim was a cop or an animal control officer. The same agencies that typically shrug helplessly when other people get attacked react very agressively when they're threatened.

[bridey_01]

"Jogger should know better, if someone was trying to run behind me and overtake me withing inches of me, my dog would take care of that person real quick. Luckily for stupid joggers my head moves 360 degree's at all times."

I would never let my dog get to the point were he would "take care of" a jogger that passed me too closely. Hopefully you meant he would just bark.

[oriondw]

"Jogger should know better, if someone was trying to run behind me and overtake me withing inches of me, my dog would take care of that person real quick. Luckily for stupid joggers my head moves 360 degree's at all times."

I would never let my dog get to the point were he would "take care of" a jogger that passed me too closely. Hopefully you meant he would just bark.


If a jogger snuk up on us and surprised me and my dog, and if that was at night. What I wrote was poorly worded, at that i take fault.

... And As i said, Im ALWAYS on look out for things coming our way and its nearly impossible to surprise me unless the jogger fell out of the sky.

[blue]

Im tired.

If the dog was off leash in a public area the owner should pay all medical and possibly have to rehome the dog.

[bridey_01]

Lets hope no stupid joggers decide to go sky diving on you orion.

[oriondw]

Lets hope no stupid joggers decide to go sky diving on you orion.


Lets hope people are not as stupid as they seem :cool:

[bonster]

I just looked at the news page link and saw that the dog had been ordered out of the area, and confined to an indoor kennel.

From a legal/process point of view, does anyone see what the first part achieves? Is it NIMBY (not in my back yard) attitude? Why does it matter where the dog is if it has to be confined indoors?

Of course, if the owner had the dog confined/leashed in the first place the incident would have been avoided - so the 'answer' as reported is to do this -- but in a different town? Does it actually mean that the dog has gone 'into care'?

[casablanca1]

Getting the dog out of town achieves 2 things - it placates the victim, who no longer has to worry about the dog being in his hometown, and it lets the local cops and animal control off the hook for monitoring the dog in the future. It's the short-term solution - shut the complainaint up and give the authorities an out for future problems. The indoor kennel business, which I'm assuming means an enclosure inside the house instead of a kennel run in the yard, is another clever way to avoid responsibility for the safety of the dog's neighbors and community. If the kennel's inside the owner's house, it can't be easily seen by authorities. AKA, no possibility of the town/county having liability when the dog attacks someone else. Property rights always seem to triumph when a dog attacks someone. Personally, I think the owners in a bad attack should have to prove they deserve to retain possession of their pet.

[showpug]

This story brings to mind something similar that happened with a dog I knew. A guy I worked with at the vet clinic owned a VERY sweet pitbull mix. This dog was adorable, young and never aggressive towards anyone. One day he had his dog out front with him off leash while he was washing his car. A jogger ran by and sure enough his dog chased her down and bit her. This was indeed an "out of the blue" act. This was a nice, neutered and well trained dog. I think this boils down to the fact that dogs like to and will chase certain things. He unfortunatley had his dog euthanized over this one incident and the lady was not even badly injured. In his mind, he could not believe that his dog was capable of this and did not want the responsibility involved.

[MyDogsLoveMe]

I totally agree with the owner being at fault. If you are going to own a dog whether it is a large breed or smaller one the animal should never be let alone to run free without some type of confinement ie. fence, chain etc. It really doesnt matter whether the jogger was running in front of or behind the animal the jogger instilled some type of fear or defense in this dog to just attack him like that.

I dont believe in putting a dog down for this type of attack, but I am split 50/50 on if an animal mauls or kills someone then there may not be any other choice. As most pit owners know (including myself) once a pit bull has tasted blood and has been in an agressive attack that there is a high probability that it will happen again.

To make a long story short, please if you want to purchase a dog whether large or small, make sure that you are first able to house the animal, have an area where the animal can run without the possibility of harming anyone and you have the time to spend. All to often animals are bought for the wrong reasons and end up in the pound, local shelter or put to death!!!!!!!!!!