Pit Bull Pamphlet!

[pitbulliest]

Hey guys, if you are interested in downloading the pitbull pamphlet and passing it around to neighbors, vet clinics, ignorant people that need some educating, feel free to download and use it as you wish:

http://www.pitbullproject.ca/pitbulls.pdf

Its meant to fold as a double sided booklet... first page contains title page and end page, and the second sheet contains the information that would be found "inside" the booklet...the "middle section" if you will.


Since it is available for download now, I'm hoping it'll be easier to access for you guys. :) Ciao!

- Violet

[chazhound]

Great information! Very good article!

Chazhound

[Renee750il]

Very necessary information and well written, too. Have you thought about asking local vets, pet stores, etc., to keep a stack of your brochures where people can pick them up?

[sheltiepups]

great!

[Renee750il]

I'm constantly raving and ranting on the subject of Pits. We live in a part of the U.S. where Pits are common and commonly misused - the Southeast. There are still dog fights in this area, although they are much rarer than they were even 10 years ago.

They're lovely creatures, very affectionate and typically non-human aggressive until some moron starts training and breeding for that temperament, usually involving some crossing and lots of inbreeding. The Humane Society shelters here don't even try to find homes for Pits that end up there; the Pits and anything remotely resembling one are put down immediately. Horrible, horrible situation, but I can understand it somewhat, given the breeding that goes on here and the liability issues. But it still breaks my heart. At one time the city of Morristown actually tried to pass local legislation banning Pits from being owned inside the city limits.

[shredhead (DOG LOVER)]

What I don't understand how some pitbulls are soooo friendly and nice and other times they totally scare me. There is a pitbull down the street from me that is constantly trying to start fights with my dogs and even w ith me. Is this because of unresponsible ownership?

[Renee750il]

The owner is usually the problem. It's not uncommon for Pits to be dog aggressive, but a responsible owner - like Ti - will work to alleviate this and they can be perfectly happy and companionable with other dogs.

[jiggaman_321]

Pitbulls are like any other breed. You can raise any dog to be agressive even toward humans. Pitbulls are a good choice for stupid owners because they are tuff dogs and that is why Pitbulls get a bad name. If any Pitbull has a responisble owner it is most liklely they will not be agressive. Pitbulls do not like other dogs it can occur naturally in the dog but it does not mean they cant. My friend has a Pitbull and it will not even harm a fly. ;) ;)

[tl_ashmore]

I have printed out the pit bull phamplet and have been giving it to a lot of people. I just wish some people would understand that pit bulls (with the right owner) are usually just great big teddy bears. Every morning, Bula cuddles up right beside me in the bed. She will lay her head on the pillow right beside mine, and thrown one of her legs over me. She is just the sweetest dog ever. But, most people won't even give pits the time a day. Not even ONE chance.

[bogolove]

Very informative. That was great.

[Sadarra]

Great pamphlet! I would include in history about the dog fights being broken up by strangers. This gets people all the time where I am. Gets people thinking at the very least. When you get this done, maybe you can put it out for others to get too. I know the family in my club with their Pit would love to have something to hand out to people about the breed. Everyone runs from Ginger when they see her but people just walk right up to the real problem dog in the club, a Plott Hound cross without a care in the world. I guess they like getting losing fingers.

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[southern_girl09]

Thats really good information. I think everyone in rhe US and everywhere else should get one..but I know that would br really hard to do. But it would be a great idea to put them in petshops and stuff.

[olbrent]

I,to, am a pit owner. Unless they have recinded or modified it, the spca national or the humane society national (I can't remember which) published a statement at the time the whole pitbull media witch hunt began saying that there were more reported dog bites by the cocker spaniel than with all large breeds combined. and later I heard a statement saying cockers and german shephards each produce more dog bite reports than pitbulls. Just a little more ammo for your fight to protect this loyal and powerful breed. Do you mind reprinting of your pamphlet for others to circulate? While walking rosie the rednose pit I was letting some kids pet her when a mom walked up and asked if she was "one of those mean dogs?" I replied" no she is a pitbull! :D Brent

[southern_girl09]

Do you care if I copy that and paste it to other forums?

[Adrienne]

Not sure if you have seen this link or not but I thought they did an excellent job...http://www.deviantart.com/view/11454716/, it is a bit graphic so viewer discretion is advised.

The pamphlet you made is very informative, great job! I have been an advocate for APBT's for the past six years. I hope someday to be able to tell someone my dog is an APBT and not get an evil glare :mad: . Ignorance is just pathetic, the way people flock with the masses without ever taking the time out to research what they are so against. It is sad that this wonderful breed suffers for our ignorance.

Adrienne

[noelle1024]

That was an awesome and informative pamphlet. HOPEFULLY it WILL educate people and make them want research more before they open their mouths and support something that is totaly bogus.

I'm not a pit owner, but i think they are awesome companions. A friend of mine used to have one and all that he ever wanted was to sit beside you and for you to stroke his paw.

I just think that people just like to "pretend" they know stuff when they actually don't and it's very evident. DOGS ATTACK ONLY WHEN THERE IS A REASON. (unless ofcourse if they are raised by STUPID people) And most of the stories they do hear usually happened to a friends friend's cousin's husbands sister mother in law who was twice removed. I mena sure there are some horrible things that DID happen BUT not all of them are because of Pits AND it's usually provoked by someone STUPID.

my opinion anyway

Lara

[juliefurry]

RIGHT ON! I agree 100%! I am sick of people shying away from my pup when they hear pitbull. He is the sweetest guy you would ever meet and all he wants to do is say hi to people and they walk away because he's part pit. I just let it go, because I know him and I know his personality, it isn't his fault that people are ignorant. I agree too about Pits and not letting them be alone for long. If I leave him alone in the kitchen while I'm doing something he whines and whimpers the whole time (it sounds like someone is killing him). He would love nothing more than just curl up on the couch and take a nap next to me. I take him with me in the car whenever I can so that he doesn't have to be home by himself, he really likes that. My husband said to say that he was a mix of a different breed but I'm not gonna sink to that. I'm not ashamed of what kind of dog he is, and he doesn't seem to be either. If people can't except him for who he is then that's ok with me.

[thunder]

My little Sassy is the sweetest dog you could ever meet. She is pit mixed with something else but we aren't sure what. She adopted us about 1 1/2 yrs ago. You can see her pic by clicking on the "My Family" link in my signature. Someone just dropped her off and since we had other dogs she just hung around. She wouldn't let me pet her for a couple days, she was hand shy, but since then she has been one of my babies.

thunder

[jaquetta]

I have had 2 pitbulls in the past. Both lived to be well into their teens. They were great dogs, and I apply to every post I see about them. My girl Duchess actually saved my 2 girls from a child molester when they were only 10 and 12 years old. Had it not been for her, I shudder to think what might have happened to them. He was an escapee from a local jail at the time. We lived in the country and the girls were outside playing when he started to approach them. To make a long story short. Duchess held him at bay with a bulldog stance warning him not to come any closer, or to even move. The girls ran in the house, told me, and I called the police. Duchess held him there and would not let him move till the law got there. Now, tell me this is a breed which should be banned..I DON'T THINK SO.

Other than this, everything I would say has already been said in the post above, which I agree with totally.

jaquetta

[tl_ashmore]

Wow!!! It's a good thing you had that dog there! What people don't understand is that pit bulls are very protective of their owners and family!

[Sapphire-Light]

Yes, for all those ignorants, I have to to separate from my pit, Turok, you can read he's story at the dog story thread. :mad:

[Amstaffer]

I have two Amstaffs (AKCs name for Pitbulls) and they are the most friendly dogs around! My 4yr intact male (show dog)named Sal is so friendly in fact that some dogs don't like him. He will attempt to force other dogs to play with him. A golden Ret. at the Dog Park got mad at Sal and bit him behind the ear....everyone there thought the Pitbull was going to ATTACK. What did Sal do? With blood dripping...he continued to bounce around like nothing happen. He was hurt and I was freaking out and running over but Sal did not act like anything had happen. I threw my leash at the Golden to chase him back and everything was ok...only a fairly minor bite. The point of my story is that my "Pitbull" could not even be provoked into an attack. How many dogs would respond that way?

The best thing to tell people is...Go to a Dog show where you might see 50 intact male "Pitbulls" in a fairly small area and no one gets bit or killed. Heck you might go all day without hearing one growl. If they were geneticly born killers how could a dog show with "Pitbulls" be safe or even possible?

[bully boi]

I am making a forum for people who own or are interested in owning a APBT or other Bully breed. if anyone is interested please help here http://16.freebb.com/?freebb=pitbullforum

[luvmydogs]

Very necessary information and well written, too. Have you thought about asking local vets, pet stores, etc., to keep a stack of your brochures where people can pick them up?

please don't forget the shelters!!!!!!! they're in great need to be informed

[Ratboy]

I was lucky, my Pit Mix, Gus didn't look like most Pits or mixes do, and we just said he was a Golden Retreiver and Basset, and maybe something else. The golden ret part was true, the Basset part was nonsense, his legs were too straight and he was too short in length. Only a few people ever guessed.

When he was going to have to be put down due to cancer, we decided to come clean to all the people that hugged/kissed him over the years, and tell them what he was when we took him for a last visit, and that they and their dogs had been with an "evil pit bull mix" for about 14 years. Never a problem, ever. He liked almost everyone, and almost every dog too. Some thought it was funny, him being a Pit mix, others were angry with me for not telling them. All it would have done was predudiced them against him, so why would I have told them?

[SouthernPit]

Oh it is great to see another educated pitbull lover!!!!!!

[luvmydogs]

I have two Amstaffs (AKCs name for Pitbulls) and they are the most friendly dogs around! My 4yr intact male (show dog)named Sal is so friendly in fact that some dogs don't like him. He will attempt to force other dogs to play with him. A golden Ret. at the Dog Park got mad at Sal and bit him behind the ear....everyone there thought the Pitbull was going to ATTACK. What did Sal do? With blood dripping...he continued to bounce around like nothing happen. He was hurt and I was freaking out and running over but Sal did not act like anything had happen. I threw my leash at the Golden to chase him back and everything was ok...only a fairly minor bite. The point of my story is that my "Pitbull" could not even be provoked into an attack. How many dogs would respond that way?

The best thing to tell people is...Go to a Dog show where you might see 50 intact male "Pitbulls" in a fairly small area and no one gets bit or killed. Heck you might go all day without hearing one growl. If they were geneticly born killers how could a dog show with "Pitbulls" be safe or even possible?
i wished there were more responsible ppeople/dog owners like you on this earth. poor sal. but i'm proud of him, and you, for being such a good dog owner. i know you are, because i have read so many of your posts...just thought u ought to know ;)

[Zoom]

It's terrible the way this breed has been maligned by the media and by spur of the moment watch groups. The town I went to college in had a VERY high population of pits and it was a little disconcerting at times. There were some dogs that were being raised correctly and were great dogs and then there were the dogs that I saw chained up in the backyards or being walked on 'leashes' that were actually lengths of heavy-duty chain. I delivered pizzas for a while and I could never tell which dogs were going to be nice and let me up to the door or which ones were going to corner me near the garage until their owners noticed what was going on. Another time, I was over at a friend's house and a guy brought his pit puppy with him and told me, while I was playing with it, that he was training her to fight and about how much money he was going to make with her before he was going to breed her. I was *thisclose* to taking his dog and leaving; the thought that such an adorable pup was going to be beaten to 'toughen' her up and then set on other dogs for cash made me ill.

There's also another "devil dog" media storm going on here right now because on July 4th a pit got out of it's yard and went after a couple of kids that had been tormenting it for a few months. A woman I work with lives next door and so she's seen the whole incident from start to finish. She's going to try and testify in the dog's defense so it won't be put down because of a couple of stupid kids.

[HighPridePit]

thats some great stuff you wrote,, its good to have more pitbull people taking up for this GREAT breed

[Blue_Dog]

That is very good information And u r right not all pitbulls are evil. there are other dogs who may be meanier.Pitbull are banned where i live.

But recently 2 pitbulls saved a woman from a golden retriever.But why would any one ban a breed of dog???

[Azucenda]

I have to say thanks for working so hard on educating people on pits. I was recently doing a search for APBT's (sometimes I just like to look at the pictures and remember our pitbull, Gotti), and you have no idea how many chat threads come up talking about how pitbull's were "inherantly evil" and "couldn't be trusted around anyone". I just can't stand people who don't take the time to educate themselves about this wonderful breed.
Gotti was the sweetest and most devoted dog I have ever known. He had no problems with new people, other dogs, or children. He died last year due to (we believe) ingesting something like bleach. Where he got it, or who gave it to him, we'll never know. So THANK YOU for all of your hard work!!!!

RIP Gotti...
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[femke]

this is a very good post. I knew NOTHING about pitbulls other than the stories I always here (which of course as you can guess aren't the good ones). I have always believed that the owners are almost always responsible if a dog turns aggresive, and that it's usually their fault, not the dogs. I did always think that there are certain breeds of dogs that will turn aggressive more quickly than others. I have enjoyed reading this post because it has taught me a lot of stuff I never knew. One thing I have always wondered and I hope you pitbull owners aren't offended by me asking this because i'm just asking coz i'm seriously interested in knowing. What made you choose a pitbull? When you were getting a dog how come out of all breeds you chose the pitbull? I hope some of you will answer coz I would like to learn more about these dogs:)

[rottiegirl]

I have done some research on fatal dog attacks. The united states humane society did their own research from 1979 to 1996 on the breeds who killed the most people. between that time frame 60 people were killed by pit bulls, 29 from rotties, 19 from GSD, 14 from huskies, 12 from alaskan malamutes, 8 from dobermans, 8 from chow chows, 6 from great danes, 4 from st. bernards, and 4 from akitas. The top mixed breed dog who killed the most people was the wolf hybrid fallowed by the pit bull mix's. As you can see, there is good reason why pit bulls have been banned. I have also read other documents and the pit bull is always number one. Due to bad breeders.

[rottiegirl]

It is sad that breeders have made the pit bull into dangerous animals. While other breeders are responsible and helping the breeds temperment. There are also too many irresponsible owners that dont purchase their pits from good breeders.

[straymystic]

i have a pit/lab mix and i get alot of people saying "oh, good thing he's half lab", or just a dirty look, and he is only HALF pitbull! he is only 6 months now and he has the expected hyperactivity of the lab and overall teenage defiance of pitbulls and large breeds in general. but overall he is a lover, friendly towards children, cats, other dogs, etc. never shown any sign of being vicious. people need to understand that fighting them was a popular sport with a certain crowd of people at a certain time. it was popular enough for the owners and breeders who fought them to have an impact on the temperment of alot of champion lines thus the breed in general. also that macho status that came with owning them appealed to "macho" people, many of which trained or neglect enough to make it vicious furthering the bad reputation. the only difference between a pitbull and another dog is the tendency to be more dog aggressive but that can be fixed with proper socialization and also the fact that pitbulls have greater potential to cause extensive damage or death when attacking because of their physical build, muscular jaws, and weight distribution. its really no wonder why they are now a popular breed, besides the mentioned fact, that they were used as fight dogs, and originally used as working dogs on farms with large cattle and bulls hence their loyalty, determination, stubborness, and dedication to whichever task they were shown how to do...including loving their family and friends! all of this has been mentioned, but i like everyone else had to throw my two cents in and agree with the first comments posted.

[Sirius]

:eek: wow, i learnt alot! :eek:

[SpeedWagon]

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[pitbulliest]

As you can see, there is good reason why pit bulls have been banned.

I can give you stats where pit bulls are responsible for the LEAST amount of dog attacks as compared to other breeds.

My point? THERE IS NEVER a good reason to ban ANY type of breed!!!

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Speedwagon..what kind of dog is that?

[TroyF]

Very good! Concise and to the point.

I've had the privelage (in most cases) of knowing an awful lot of pit bulls over the years. They are the most misunderstood breed out there. The bad reputation is deserved... but only because of environment and ownership. A sad truth in my humble opinon.

Quoting bite stats is a waste of time due to poor data or skewed data it's a difficult game to use numbers in statistics involving attacks. What should really be looked at is the owners of the dogs. I'd be willing to bet that bad training or mistreatment would account for almost all attacks involving the pit bull breeds.

[southern_girl09]

As you can see, there is good reason why pit bulls have been banned.

That was one of the worst comments I have heard. Maybe you did bad research but Cocker Spaniels and Labs have bitten more people than pit bulls. Not to mention, "Pit Bull mixes" are usually Lab Mixes and lots of other breeds.

[rottiegirl]

That was one of the worst comments I have heard. Maybe you did bad research but Cocker Spaniels and Labs have bitten more people than pit bulls. Not to mention, "Pit Bull mixes" are usually Lab Mixes and lots of other breeds.
I am talking about fatalities, not simple dog bites. From what I read pit bulls or pit bull mixes killed more people than any other breed or mix.

[pitbulliest]

If someone abused me, neglected me, exploited me, and taught me to attack..I'd probably kill a few people too..

:rolleyes:

Stupid owners...punish the deed, not the breed!

[rottiegirl]

If someone abused me, neglected me, exploited me, and taught me to attack..I'd probably kill a few people too..

:rolleyes:

Stupid owners...punish the deed, not the breed!
I agree 100%!

[bubbatd]

I know that you who own and have done well by your babies, love your pitties and mixed pitts. I personally felt ( and feel) I could never take one on, just because of some of the heartache stories. Unfortunately , here in Indy, the only ones I see are chained or being walked in the " Hood ". I saw one running loose the other day without a collar and in traffic. Normally, Grammy would stop and put the dog in her 4X4 ..... but she couldn't take the chance. It's sad.

[rottiegirl]

I know that you who own and have done well by your babies, love your pitties and mixed pitts. I personally felt ( and feel) I could never take one on, just because of some of the heartache stories. Unfortunately , here in Indy, the only ones I see are chained or being walked in the " Hood ". I saw one running loose the other day without a collar and in traffic. Normally, Grammy would stop and put the dog in her 4X4 ..... but she couldn't take the chance. It's sad.
Way too many irresponsible people own pit bulls. Gang members and drug dealers own them because they want to look macho. Sad but true.

[Amstaffer]

I have done some research on fatal dog attacks. The united states humane society did their own research from 1979 to 1996 on the breeds who killed the most people. between that time frame 60 people were killed by pit bulls, 29 from rotties, 19 from GSD, 14 from huskies, 12 from alaskan malamutes, 8 from dobermans, 8 from chow chows, 6 from great danes, 4 from st. bernards, and 4 from akitas. The top mixed breed dog who killed the most people was the wolf hybrid fallowed by the pit bull mix's. As you can see, there is good reason why pit bulls have been banned. I have also read other documents and the pit bull is always number one. Due to bad breeders.

You stats are flawed....Here is why, First: There are WAY more Pit Bulls in Urban areas. (site of most fatal attacks) Because of the sheer number of them, of course they would account for more fatalities. Please don't quote AKC numbers, if you drive through the inner cities you will find Pit Bulls out number the next closest (Rotts) by at least 5 to 1 if not more.

Let me give you an example of what I am saying. If there are 1000 Pit Bulls in a city and 100 Chows in the same city you would assume that Pit Bulls should have 10times as many attacks right? To really find out how dangerous a dog is you must take its total number into consideration. Pit Bulls often account for far fewer attacks if you consider the attacks/population ratio.

Second: Another flaw is that many dogs are missed labeled as "Pitbulls". Over 20 breeds are often misidentified as Pit Bulls.

See link http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Because some Labs are so stocky they have even mistaken Labs as Pit Bulls.
Who are the people who are calling the dog a Pit Bull? A Vet...No Breeder? No Hysterical Cat owner? Yep Reporter looking for Headlines? yep Over Worked Under informed Cop? Yep....You get the idea.

[rottiegirl]

You stats are flawed....Here is why, First: There are WAY more Pit Bulls in Urban areas. (site of most fatal attacks) Because of the sheer number of them, of course they would account for more fatalities. Please don't quote AKC numbers, if you drive through the inner cities you will find Pit Bulls out number the next closest (Rotts) by at least 5 to 1 if not more.

Let me give you an example of what I am saying. If there are 1000 Pit Bulls in a city and 100 Chows in the same city you would assume that Pit Bulls should have 10times as many attacks right? To really find out how dangerous a dog is you must take its total number into consideration. Pit Bulls often account for far fewer attacks if you consider the attacks/population ratio.

Second: Another flaw is that many dogs are missed labeled as "Pitbulls". Over 20 breeds are often misidentified as Pit Bulls.

See link http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Because some Labs are so stocky they have even mistaken Labs as Pit Bulls.
Who are the people who are calling the dog a Pit Bull? A Vet...No Breeder? No Hysterical Cat owner? Yep Reporter looking for Headlines? yep Over Worked Under informed Cop? Yep....You get the idea.
I am not talking about fatalities in a certain city. I am talking about fatalities in the whole U.S. Pit bulls are not even on the top ten list of the most popular breeds. I agree that pits can and are mistaken for other breeds and mixes. but I am sure that most dog owners know the breed of their own dogs.

[Amstaffer]

I am not talking about fatalities in a certain city. I am talking about fatalities in the whole U.S. Pit bulls are not even on the top ten list of the most popular breeds. I agree that pits can and are mistaken for other breeds and mixes. but I am sure that most dog owners know the breed of their own dogs.

I used a city as an example. Stats can be very misleading if you take them out of context. Most dog caused deaths are in the city and Pit bulls are the number one breed in the city....its not even close. You can't just quote a simple stat like that without considering all the variables. In the city Pit bulls account for the most deaths because they are the most popular dog, therefore simple logic will tell you they should. I would bet they don't account for as many as their total population would mathmaticly imply. When you consider the total number of deaths by one breed you first must consider the following. Total number of Dogs (Breed "X") to total number of deaths cause by breed X. That will give you a ratio number. Then compare that to the Total number of Dogs (breed "Y") to total number of deaths cause by breed Y, that will give you another ratio number. Compare the to ratios to see which is actually more "Deadly".

Example: Chicago has 1000 pit bulls (actually they have a lot more) and the total human deaths by them is 10. (That is a very high ratio but it makes for easy math)1000/10 = 100. .01 would be an indicator that means nothing until you compare it to another breed. In that same fictional Chicago you could have 25 Chows that caused 4 deaths. 25/4= .16 If you look at the stats in this way (more correct way) you see the Pit Bull would be less dangerous.

You might say well there isn't that many more pitbulls, in the stats you mention it was 60 Pit bull to 8 chows deaths. I would bet the proverbial farm that the population ratios of the Pitbull to Chow is way higher than 60 to 8. I am not slamming chows here I am just using your stats.

In stats like you mention you must consider population ratios or your logic, theory and whole arguement is based on a sinking foundation.

Another thing to consider is the culture of an area where the most deaths take place. Most of the places where these death take place you have poor and uneducated people who value strength and aggression over compassion and empathy. In these areas you find that Pit Bulls have become popular since the drug explosion of the 80s. People in these areas (I live in one) are looking for a strong medium sized dog that they can use to defend themselves against the real threat from other humans. Training and good breeding are also foriegn ideas to this culture.

Culture of humans has way more to do with Dog/Human killings than the breed. Just like gun deaths. Why does the USA have more gun deaths than anyother industrialized country? Its in our culture.

If you go to Ireland you have the Irish Staffordshire Terrier that is very similar to the Amstaff/Pitbull in the USA in size and temperment. Because of the culture of the humans there you don't have fatal attack...or many attack period.

There is another poster here name BowBowee (sp?) that live in the Phillipenes (sp?) and they don't have the problems the US has why?


It is not the breed but several other variables...all of which are human.

[pitbulliest]

I am talking about fatalities in the whole U.S. Pit bulls are not even on the top ten list of the most popular breeds. I agree that pits can and are mistaken for other breeds and mixes. but I am sure that most dog owners know the breed of their own dogs.

ERRrrrRRRTtTTTtt... WRONG!
Most dog owners have no CLUE what kind of dog they have...if you pick up a mutt from a shelter, its usually already misidentified to the point of patheticness...trust me, I work at the central humane society down here...gawd there is sooo much room for error its comical!

Second of all, stats are flawed..they always have been, they always will be...stats are absolutely pointless in terms of determining whether or not a particular breed is responsible for more attacks/fatalities/blah blah blah..why? Because WAY TOO MANY other aspects/facts/background information is dumped in the garbage, and misidentification is ever so present...

Third of all, you said that pits are not even on the top ten list of the most popular breeds in the states? Where are you getting that info from? ANd PLEASE for the love of the lord, do NOT say the UKC or the AKC...because those aren't even considered "stats"....do you even know how they collect their data? According to registered dogs..that's how...no wonder goldens and labs are considered the most popular breeds...

Do you expect thugs/gangsters/backyard breeders/other junk of society to register their dogs or for the UKC/AKC to have any record of them? Pffft..hell no...

Just look down the street and you won't have to look any further on which breed is the most popular, the most abused, the most neglected, the most exploited, and of course, the most publicized by the ever so wonderful media... :rolleyes:

[Dobiegurl]

I remember when I was about six years old my grandmother had a friend who bred APBTs and decided to get my one. My mom went crazy when we brought my puppy home saying that they were dangerous and crazy ans stuff. That was only because of the misconception of the pit bull. She turned out to be the sweetest dog EVER. I loved her so much. It's a shame what people do to their dogs to make them behave in such a negative, mean manner. I used to live in Detroit and there were alot of dog fighters. We used to live next to "thugs" who had pitts they fought. It was horrible what they did to their dogs. It's 100% the owners to turn their dogs out to be mean. I think some owners need to be banned from public not the breed.

[DogLover4]

Is it true that the pitbull ban in ontario will be fought on may 16 and pitbulls will probably be allowed in ontario again.

[Dobiegurl]

I am talking about fatalities, not simple dog bites. From what I read pit bulls or pit bull mixes killed more people than any other breed or mix.

Well, Rotts aren't very far behind. Would it be fair to have BSL on them, too. I'm sure if they tried to ban Rotties you would fight for them. Some people love pit bulls and have the right to fight for their beloved breed/breeds. Just because Pit Bull attacks are more devestating does not make them more or less agressive than a dog that did not kill a person. It just makes them stronger and more determined which is what they were breed for. The human race created these such dogs and now when a few people get hurt they want to get rid of them. We, as the human race, need to step up and take responsibility for our actions. We created this dog and thats what happens, people get hurt, when you play with fire your gonna get burned. Now since people have realized that some of these dogs have the potential to seriously injure someone they want to throw away what they have created. There are no reprocussions for your actions anymore and thats whats wrong with the world today. You can get away with things and suffer no consequence. This is what we have created and we need to find ways to help these dogs instead of kicking them out. It's not their fault they were born a pit, most of them being wonderful dogs. People are so ignorant sometimes, it makes me sick.

I will always fight for the Pit Bulls.

[JennSLK]

We have to look at Human Ignorance, not just the dog owners but people who whitnes atacks.

Can we be 100% sure that the person actually knows that it was a pit or pit mix and not some other breed? Thats why I dont take dog bite poll that seriously. It's relying too much on people who may be wrong.

[Dobiegurl]

We have to look at Human Ignorance, not just the dog owners but people who whitnes atacks.

Can we be 100% sure that the person actually knows that it was a pit or pit mix and not some other breed? Thats why I dont take dog bite poll that seriously. It's relying too much on people who may be wrong.


All those stats are rigged. People only see what they want to see and people have always had it in for the pitts. Any little thing involving the pitts in a negative way is braodcasted, on the cover page of newspapers to make the pitts look bad. But how many times have you seen "little girl attacked by a lab" on the front cover of the newspaper.

Do you guys remember that women who had her face mauled off by her dog and received the first face transplant ever? Guess what kind of dog she had? A labrador retriever!! But you wouldn't have known that unless you did a search for it. But if she happened to own a pitt you definately would have knew. The story of "A women almost mauled to death by her PITT BULL" would have definately been on the front page and they would put and emphasis on "PITT BULL" to make sure you saw it. The media plays games and only realeases what they want to not the whole truth.

[Saje]

But how many times have you seen "little girl attacked by a lab" on the front cover of the newspaper.


The reason for that most of the time is because a reporter asks someone what kind of dog it was and they say it was pitbull. Ever looked at how many 'pitbulls' there are in pounds? Apparently TONS. Anything with a bully looked is labeled pitbull. Reporters report what there sources say and if their sources say it was a pitbull that's what they report. Yes there are many forms of media that blow that out of proportion but that's how it gets started.

If I am writing a story about a horse at a rodeo and someone tells me it's a quarter horse well that's what I'm going to put in the paper. People need to stop using the media as a scapegoat. Yes it is a big problem and it can/should be handled differently in many, many situations but for the most part that's not where it gets started. Education is key.

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

NO breed of dog should be banned. Statistics mean nothing. The pit MAY have killed more people than other breeds but no wonder! Think of how these dogs are treated... A long time ago they were breed for dog fights, since it's now illegal responsible breeders have improved the breed a lot and they can be really sweet dogs. They are known to love people. But there are some bad people who are into drugs and want to fight dogs. They buy a pit, tie it on short heavy chains, tease them, FORCE them to fight... They breed these dogs and the aggressiveness is being passed on to the puppies and than those pups are breed and it goes on... THE OWNERS are ruining these dogs, they keep breeding bad traits into them and selling them to irresponsible owners. These dogs are not in good hands. That is why they end up biting someone. It is NOT the dogs fault, it is the stupid people who force them to be this way.

This could have happened to any breed of dog. Take a Lab for example, sure they are frinedly dogs but it you take one and tie it, beat it, tease it, force it to fight then that dog will end up biting someone too! Then you do the same to other Labs, breed the fighting traits in them and voila! You get a bunch of Lab attacks on people and the breed earns a bad rep..

I disagree 100% with breed bans.

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

Oh yeah... there is a lot of good info on the APBT here, I'm going to print some copies of that article on the first post, maybe it will help to educate others..:) Thanks for making this thread pitbulliest!

[Amstaffer]

Did you know that world wide, more people are killed by falling coconuts than pit bulls every year?

Did you know that more people are kill by horses every year than Pit Bulls?

Did you know that Bicycle accident kill more people than Pit Bulls every year?


There are ALOT of things in our world that are more dangerous than Pit Bulls. There are almost 300 million people in America and 60 people are killed by "pit bulls" (Pit Bull includes over 25 different breeds), that is statistically very very very very rare.

You literally have a much better chance of being killed by lighting than being killed by a Pit Bull.

[JennSLK]

I look at the way they are treated and think to my self. Yeah I would be p**'d off at the world too if I had a 20lb chain wraped around my neck and tied to a tree.

[bubbatd]

Tonight our news had two teenagers charged for having their pitts fight.... no it wasn't a pitt bull area... just 2 punks fighting their dogs !! Seems if it's not guns , it's poor dogs ! Luckily someone noticed the injuries of both dogs and reported it .

[Dobiegurl]

The reason for that most of the time is because a reporter asks someone what kind of dog it was and they say it was pitbull. Ever looked at how many 'pitbulls' there are in pounds? Apparently TONS. Anything with a bully looked is labeled pitbull. Reporters report what there sources say and if their sources say it was a pitbull that's what they report. Yes there are many forms of media that blow that out of proportion but that's how it gets started.

If I am writing a story about a horse at a rodeo and someone tells me it's a quarter horse well that's what I'm going to put in the paper. People need to stop using the media as a scapegoat. Yes it is a big problem and it can/should be handled differently in many, many situations but for the most part that's not where it gets started. Education is key.


I'm sorry but there is no way you can pass a lab (maybe a mix) off as a pitt bull. In this case the media knew that it was a lab and it was a mistake when someone slipped and said something. I do blame the media for a lot of this ban the pitt crap. If there was no publicity no one would know what a pitt was. Yes, the reporters can talk and interview people but its up to their discretion to actually add that factor into the piece. I never listen to people's word of mouth. If I do not see it with my own eyes they its irrelevent to me. There has to be many times where reporters ask what kind of dog attacked and people have said Golden or a Border Collie but they CHOOSE not to add that in the story because they feel it really isn't relevant but as soon as someone says pit bull, there all over that story. Its all a bunch of crap. It does start with the owners of "fighting" pitts but the media drags it out. They could just stop it, nip it in the bud, but they choose not to. They may not cause the pitts to attack but they are not helping the situation. There is no need to stress the Pit Bull factor, no more than theres a need to stress the Lab, Golden, or Collie factor. It is totally irrelevant what breed was involved.


Amstaff: I totally agree with you. 60 people out of millions and millions of people is nothing. And there are so many other things to be worried about then pit bull attacks.

[mojozen]

Actually it's more common for someone to die of asthma (http://www.getasthmahelp.org/main_stats_7.asp) than by pit bull. 147 deaths/year in Michigan alone.

Hmmmm... consider that factoid.

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

Tonight our news had two teenagers charged for having their pitts fight.... no it wasn't a pitt bull area... just 2 punks fighting their dogs !! Seems if it's not guns , it's poor dogs ! Luckily someone noticed the injuries of both dogs and reported it .
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THATS HORRIBLE good thing it was reported!!! Stupid kids!

[Amstaffer]

I'm sorry but there is no way you can pass a lab (maybe a mix) off as a pitt bull. .

I think you deeply under estimate the stupidity of some people. My brother had a yellow lab that was about 90lbs and muscled. Several people in the area would ask him about his "Pitbull". His lab had papers and was definately not a mix.

To you and I (and 99% of the people on this board) the difference is obivous but some people really don't know the difference. Do some media people say Pit Bull to juice up a story...Heck ya but some people are truly ignorance to dog breeds.

[Dobiegurl]

I think you deeply under estimate the stupidity of some people. My brother had a yellow lab that was about 90lbs and muscled. Several people in the area would ask him about his "Pitbull". His lab had papers and was definately not a mix.

To you and I (and 99% of the people on this board) the difference is obivous but some people really don't know the difference. Do some media people say Pit Bull to juice up a story...Heck ya but some people are truly ignorance to dog breeds.


I understand that people are not familiar with their dog breeds but if a dog attacks they assume it was a pit bull because apparently thats the only breed that bites (hope you sense my sarcasism). If the breed is unfamiliar to you, you shouldn't just say, "oh it had to have been a pitt" and not really know what type of dog it is. If you are not positive what type of breed (which is really irrelevant in the situation) then just say unknown. Assuming it was a Pitt is just like assuming a black guy stole your car. No one was for sure who stole the car but assumed he was black. The breed has no revelance in the attack because all dogs are individuals.

[Amstaffer]

The breed has no revelance in the attack because all dogs are individuals.

I have never read a more true statement!!

[Dobiegurl]

I have never read a more true statement!!


I can't stand when people stereotype things. Everyone is different from another person. Its like against the law to discriminate against a certain race for example,but you can disctimininate against dogs. My definition for the government is controdiction. They say one thing then turn around and say something else. If they want no discrimination they cannot discriminate against ANYTHING. If they want the prejudice in this world to stop, they need to stop. It is not ok to discriminate against one thing but forbid it for something else.

[amymarley]

I am not racist about humans or dogs.... it's all about statistics....
I know so many good white, black, asian, etc.... pit bull, rotts, dobes...etc..

And, unfort. I had to come across the bad ones too...

But it is the people who make the difference, in any case.

I am not about to make this a political stance, but I am white and just had to rescue 2 dogs from a white trash trailor family.... it comes in all colors and breeds...

[Dobiegurl]

I am not racist about humans or dogs.... it's all about statistics....
I know so many good white, black, asian, etc.... pit bull, rotts, dobes...etc..

And, unfort. I had to come across the bad ones too...

But it is the people who make the difference, in any case.

I am not about to make this a political stance, but I am white and just had to rescue 2 dogs from a white trash trailor family.... it comes in all colors and breeds...


Just because statictics say you are more likely to get robbed by a black man than a white man (just an example) would you feel ALL black males are bad. Statictics is taking one gorup of things and comparing it to another. I'm just saying that just because its a pitt does not make it bad. There are so many dogs with different personalities and cannot be put into one group.

I've noticed the bad always takes over. Because of all the "bad" pitts who attack you rarely hear about good pitt bull stories, so the public gets the idea that all pitts are bad. Like with me when I was younger, my brother used to get in trouble alot and if I did something good it was rarely recognized because my mother always had to deal with his behavior problems.

I do not agree with the statictics and believe that they are greatly flawed. Statictics were made to show percentages and the pitt bull stats does not say that 100% of pitts are bad. If it did say that then I could understand the want to ban pitts but its not 100%, I don't think any stats can gurantee 100% of what they are promoting. All the dogs are individuals and should not be seen as one category instead of as individuals.

[Saje]

I'm sorry but there is no way you can pass a lab (maybe a mix) off as a pitt bull. In this case the media knew that it was a lab and it was a mistake when someone slipped and said something. I do blame the media for a lot of this ban the pitt crap. If there was no publicity no one would know what a pitt was. Yes, the reporters can talk and interview people but its up to their discretion to actually add that factor into the piece. I never listen to people's word of mouth. If I do not see it with my own eyes they its irrelevent to me. There has to be many times where reporters ask what kind of dog attacked and people have said Golden or a Border Collie but they CHOOSE not to add that in the story because they feel it really isn't relevant but as soon as someone says pit bull, there all over that story. Its all a bunch of crap. It does start with the owners of "fighting" pitts but the media drags it out. They could just stop it, nip it in the bud, but they choose not to. They may not cause the pitts to attack but they are not helping the situation. There is no need to stress the Pit Bull factor, no more than theres a need to stress the Lab, Golden, or Collie factor. It is totally irrelevant what breed was involved.


Obviously you don't understand the media at all. And even if you disagree with what I said before you can't deny the fact that that's what sells. That's what people want to see/read. Put the blame where it needs to be - on irresponsible people. :rolleyes:

[JennSLK]

There was a black male staffie who was at handling class last night.

He atacked me. With kisses. LOL. Tail wgging tougnge out just wanting to be petted. He was such a cute "little Man"

[Amstaffer]

Just because statictics say you are more likely to get robbed by a black man than a white man (just an example) would you feel ALL black males are bad. Statictics is taking one gorup of things and comparing it to another. I'm just saying that just because its a pitt does not make it bad. .

I think stats on dog attacks reveal more about the quality of the people who are drawn to own certain breeds. The simple fact is a lot of idiots are drawn to Pit Bulls because they wish to become strong and powerful through their close proximity to a legendary dog. There are a lot of wonderful Pit Bull owners but as I drive through the city and see the countless abused and neglected pits with those sad faces I realize that most are really bad owners! :(

[Dobiegurl]

I think stats on dog attacks reveal more about the quality of the people who are drawn to own certain breeds. The simple fact is a lot of idiots are drawn to Pit Bulls because they wish to become strong and powerful through their close proximity to a legendary dog. There are a lot of wonderful Pit Bull owners but as I drive through the city and see the countless abused and neglected pits with those sad faces I realize that most are really bad owners! :(


I couldn't agree with you more. If all these "thugs" and "ganstas" would leave the pitts alone the "Pit Bull Problem" would definately decrease. But once the gov't bans pitts then they will move on to a different breed and corrupt that breed and the cycle will go on and on. Instead of ignoring the problem and kicking the pitts out, we need to find a solution to end the corruption of other breeds that will be affected by the BSL. If the gov't will open their eyes they would realize that this BSL is not going to solve the problem.

[Dobiegurl]

Obviously you don't understand the media at all. And even if you disagree with what I said before you can't deny the fact that that's what sells. That's what people want to see/read. Put the blame where it needs to be - on irresponsible people. :rolleyes:


I understand the media: Making money off of bogus, embellished stories to draw the public in and ratings!!! Do you honestly think that its ok to exploit something just for money or ratings? I understand that the pit bull crap is what sells, but that doesn't make it right.

[Amstaffer]

they will move on to a different breed and corrupt that breed and the cycle will go on and on. .

Sorry to say they already are. I see a lot of Thugs and Wannbees switching to Bull Mastiffs and other Big Molossers breeds. Many of them are convinced Bigger and aggressive must be better. Plus many of those breeds are MUCH easier to make human aggressive.

[Dobiegurl]

Sorry to say they already are. I see a lot of Thugs and Wannbees switching to Bull Mastiffs and other Big Molossers breeds. Many of them are convinced Bigger and aggressive must be better. Plus many of those breeds are MUCH easier to make human aggressive.

I've heard that those thugs now use dogs as a use of force instead of guns. There mentality is that if they get caught with a gun they go to jail for pocession, but they can intimidate anyone with a big agressive dog and nothing will happen to them. Its a shame that "man's best friend" who has always been by our side is now being used against us. These dogs are getting into the wrong hands and they are corrupting the dog species. Something needs to be done about this, its just pathetic.

[skaa9]

Wow!!!! Great idea I will translate the pamphlet if that dn't bother you to put around here!!!!
I love pitt bull!
I start knowing the breed once I meet a friend who had one till then I just fall in love with them!
I just can't get one yet because my family really had the typical pitt bull terror!
Good luck !

[Roxy's CD]

I live in Ontario, Canada and genecide is currently going on right under our noses. Any pitbull in ontario must be spayed or neutered. Any pitbull born after October 8, 2005 WILL BE EUTHANIZED. NO IF ANDS OR BUTS. All "pitbulls" (i say this because there are no true specifics as to what a pitbull is, as mentioned it is all to the discretionary of the by law officer) are required to wear a muzzle in any public place. So, on walks, to the vets..anywhere except your own private property. They are required to be on leash at all times when in public places and are generally being labelled as vicious, agressive man and child eaters.
This is absolutely ridiculous. I own an 8 month old pit, as well as a 1.5 year old rott/dob, my girl would tear you open faster than my baby could cry and run away!!!! I've been out and active with my pup though, (with his muzzle on) trying to gain the support of my community. So far it's gone quite well. People of all ages who once had a sterotypical view of pitbulls have fallen in love with my baby.
Someone asked if it was true if in Ontario the pitbull law was being challenged. YES IT IS!!! We're all crossing our fingers and praying that it will be thrown out and a dangerous dog law will most likely be imposed. Hopefully they won't drag it out and we'll know within a week or two. Ruby Clayton, the lawyer chosen to represnt the pitbill owners/breeders cost $250,000 to retain, which local breeders and owners helped to raise with their own time. Let's all pray that this ridiculous law get's lifted in Canada and the genecide stops now!

[Amstaffer]

Let's all pray that this ridiculous law get's lifted in Canada and the genecide stops now!

Amen!

[Citrus007]

I like pit bulls. I'm not sure if I will ever have one but I have no problem against them. I think banning pit bulls did more harm than good because it will increase the number of poorly bred and raised ones becaus enow the only people breeding them will be the people who don't care about the law. the law doesn't get rid of all the pitbulls in the area, the only people who are going to listen to the pit bull banning law are the good people who wouldn't fight or raise a dog incorrectly so all thats left are the bad people who don't care about the law and they will make the problem worse. Its sad because I think pit bulls are generally very nice and cute.

[Roxy's CD]

^ I disagree. There will be a few "BYB", but generally all pitbulls have been s/n since OCtober, that's the law. If your dog hasn't been s/n and anyone finds out? Your dog will either be euthanized or taken to the pound to be s/n and then given to someone else. A few people in my town tried to keep their dogs intact for breeding (So they could make a cash load because of the ban) and their dogs have been s/n by the pound and they won't return them. Any pups born after a certain date are euthanized. I know of 3 dogs that have been euthanized in my town and two of them were my pups sisters.

[Amstaffer]

I like pit bulls. I'm not sure if I will ever have one but I have no problem against them. I think banning pit bulls did more harm than good because it will increase the number of poorly bred and raised ones becaus enow the only people breeding them will be the people who don't care about the law. the law doesn't get rid of all the pitbulls in the area, the only people who are going to listen to the pit bull banning law are the good people who wouldn't fight or raise a dog incorrectly so all thats left are the bad people who don't care about the law and they will make the problem worse. Its sad because I think pit bulls are generally very nice and cute.

I agree....

Roxy, you might have good enforcement in your area but in many places in the USA its often the case that when something is banned then only the criminals have "it". The dogs will just be kept in basements and let out only at night :mad:

[Roxy's CD]

^ Oh yes, they can keep the dogs, but what are you going to do with the puppies? As I said the puppies will all be killed. No needles, no vet ever.... I agree that in larger areas, cities the problem of poorly breeding these animals will probably grow. but at the same time I think "these/those people" will most likely just move onto another breed as the supreme court as already mentioned.

[Trip]

I love Pitts, there's a ban here now, almost cried at the amount of them put down when it passed. My friend adopted one at last minute so there's alot of rules for her to follow but aleast she gets to live.

[prettylilpitbull]

What a wonderful idea....Im happy to say the people on either side of me love my pitbull...thank goodness.

[pitbulliest]

The simple fact is a lot of idiots are drawn to Pit Bulls because they wish to become strong and powerful through their close proximity to a legendary dog.

I couldn't have said it better myself. In fact, I'm going to quote you on this! :hail:

Here here!!!

[Senna]

very informative and i would but my mom doesnt allow me to download things...

[Amstaffer]

I couldn't have said it better myself. In fact, I'm going to quote you on this! :hail:

Here here!!!

:o ah shucks <kicks dirt>

[Maryellen]

hi all, another pitbull owner here!

[Amstaffer]

hi all, another pitbull owner here!

Hi ya...Cute pics

[squirtsmom]

My pup is 6 months old, and is the best dog ever. In two months, Iwill be bringing home a new pit bu ll puppy from a very reputable breeder. It is not the dog that is the problem, but the irresponsible owner, and the people who get dogs for the wrong reasons. some get pit bulls because they are the "tough" dogs with a reputation. And, people tend to believe the negative publicity. Bad for the dogs, who are euthanized in St. Louis anytime they are bought into a dog control shelter. They are not even given a chance. They don't even give the dog a personality test, they are just automatically euthanized. My daughter and I went to all the shelters and there were no pitbulls at all. they referred us to the pitbull rescue, but could not find any numbers for that. I am sorry to rant and rave, but I am really upset about t his. We have a tiny toy poodle who everyone loves, but is a real nipper. Noone cares because she is so small. If my pit did that, it would be a huge problem. Good for all y ou folk who just love the dogs, and want the best for them.

[Bahamutt99]

Always makes me sad when any dog owner approves of BSL. The breed that you own is just another link in the chain, and you may, too, face banishment one day. As of 2001, 36 breeds of dog had killed people. I believe the count for BSL has somewhere around 75 breeds affected by it in America. In Italy, they're regulating such innocuous breeds as Corgis, Miniature Pinschers and Collies. Don't count on not facing BSL yourself someday, and hopefully the Pit Bull owners will still be around to fight by your side against it.

[mrose_s]

pdf won't show on my comp.

but i am all for pits. their awesome, powerful dogs!

[mrose_s]

Always makes me sad when any dog owner approves of BSL. The breed that you own is just another link in the chain, and you may, too, face banishment one day. As of 2001, 36 breeds of dog had killed people. I believe the count for BSL has somewhere around 75 breeds affected by it in America. In Italy, they're regulating such innocuous breeds as Corgis, Miniature Pinschers and Collies. Don't count on not facing BSL yourself someday, and hopefully the Pit Bull owners will still be around to fight by your side against it.

well said... wow, 36 to 75. thats disastrous

[Bahamutt99]

well said... wow, 36 to 75. thats disastrous

The irony is, not all dog breeds that have killed people are regulated, but some breeds that have never been pinned with a single fatality (at least not in the USA) are. Staffordshire Bull Terriers have never killed anybody, and are legislated against. Same with Dogo Argentinos. Then again, Labradors, Pomeranians, Dachshunds and Collies have killed people, but aren't named in BSL in this country that I know of. Its just a mess.

[LuvinBullies]

What I don't understand how some pitbulls are soooo friendly and nice and other times they totally scare me. There is a pitbull down the street from me that is constantly trying to start fights with my dogs and even w ith me. Is this because of unresponsible ownership?

Darn right its irresponsible ownership- the dog should be properly contained! If it really is an APBT and is aggressive toward you it is NOT typical APBT temperament and should be euthanized if it's usually left to run loose. I would give the owners hell. Sounds harsh- but it is the only plausible solution to these substandard hybrid nightmares these ignorant people have bred poorly and refuse to control. There are ill-bred "pit bulls" who still have good temperaments- if they are owned or adopted by knowledgeable and responsible people that's fine with me, but at this point the entire breed of true APBTs cannot afford to have unstable/aggressive "pit bull" hybrids/mixes/bad seeds running about. NO dog should be allowed to run loose, much less an APBT.

[Dulce Pit Bull]

I am SO glad there are other Pit Bull owners here!!!!

This is so exciting, I LOVE this forum!

What does "I've been frosted" mean?

[Amstaffer]

I am SO glad there are other Pit Bull owners here!!!!

This is so exciting, I LOVE this forum!

What does "I've been frosted" mean?

Welcome...Glad to have ya here.


"I've been frosted" is a kinda "game" people send it around in a hope to get everyone to include it into their sig. It is just for fun, you don't have to do it.

[Darla and Chico]

So did you miss me??? Where has this forum been all my life?:lol-sign:

[Dulce Pit Bull]

Darla an Chico..your dogs are flippin gorgeous

[Amstaffer]

Darla an Chico..your dogs are flippin gorgeous

I agree, very cute dogs!!

[boomerfan]

Did you guys know in Morrow Co. Ohio People are training pits to fight.
My mom told me people are going around her town looking for dogs that look sweet and friendly and the owners not right out with them. They steal them put them on like tread mill things to get them to run then cut them up then release the pitts. What can you do about something like that?

[Amstaffer]

Did you guys know in Morrow Co. Ohio People are training pits to fight.
My mom told me people are going around her town looking for dogs that look sweet and friendly and the owners not right out with them. They steal them put them on like tread mill things to get them to run then cut them up then release the pitts. What can you do about something like that?

Call the police if you see any evidence of dog abuse, especially Pit Bulls. Watch for house or farms that are usually really quiet and then all of a sudden has tons of cars and people.

[pitbulliest]

Darn right its irresponsible ownership- the dog should be properly contained! If it really is an APBT and is aggressive toward you it is NOT typical APBT temperament and should be euthanized if it's usually left to run loose. I would give the owners hell. Sounds harsh- but it is the only plausible solution to these substandard hybrid nightmares these ignorant people have bred poorly and refuse to control. There are ill-bred "pit bulls" who still have good temperaments- if they are owned or adopted by knowledgeable and responsible people that's fine with me, but at this point the entire breed of true APBTs cannot afford to have unstable/aggressive "pit bull" hybrids/mixes/bad seeds running about. NO dog should be allowed to run loose, much less an APBT.

Depending on what she means by aggression. I don't fully understand what "trying to start a fight with me" really means. does it mean jumping against the fence/whatever is still managing to contain the dog, does it mean growling, does it mean barking? Those signals, for example, don't necessarily indicate human aggression...

I wouldn't automatically start hell with the owner either. I would try to find out more about the dog's conditions..and more about the owner in general...perhaps call animal control and state that you are concerned about the dog's conditions..that its left outside all day long, not properly leashed...describe some of the behavior the dog is showing, and let them decide...they're not the most "expert" people either, I know...but personally...I myself wouldn't be comfortable determining whether a dog should or should not be euthanized..I'm not a behaviorist, and alot of times there are tons of under the surface factors that determine why a dog behaves the way it does.

Is the dog chained all day? If so, then that's a possible cause of the dog's behavior..the dog is probably anti social in that case...and may not be human aggressive, but dominant in regards to his/her territory...chained dogs become VERY territorial...but yes, to sum it all up that definately deals with irresponsible ownership. I hate chaining..ugh :mad:

[pitbulliest]

Did you guys know in Morrow Co. Ohio People are training pits to fight.
My mom told me people are going around her town looking for dogs that look sweet and friendly and the owners not right out with them. They steal them put them on like tread mill things to get them to run then cut them up then release the pitts. What can you do about something like that?

I have a section about that in my website. Scroll down to "Dog Fighting"..it has some information on how to spot dog fighting, what to do about it, etc:

http://www.pitbullproject.ca/help.htm

[LuvinBullies]

Depending on what she means by aggression. I don't fully understand what "trying to start a fight with me" really means. does it mean jumping against the fence/whatever is still managing to contain the dog, does it mean growling, does it mean barking? Those signals, for example, don't necessarily indicate human aggression...

I wouldn't automatically start hell with the owner either. I would try to find out more about the dog's conditions..and more about the owner in general...perhaps call animal control and state that you are concerned about the dog's conditions..that its left outside all day long, not properly leashed...describe some of the behavior the dog is showing, and let them decide...they're not the most "expert" people either, I know...but personally...I myself wouldn't be comfortable determining whether a dog should or should not be euthanized..I'm not a behaviorist, and alot of times there are tons of under the surface factors that determine why a dog behaves the way it does.

Is the dog chained all day? If so, then that's a possible cause of the dog's behavior..the dog is probably anti social in that case...and may not be human aggressive, but dominant in regards to his/her territory...chained dogs become VERY territorial...but yes, to sum it all up that definately deals with irresponsible ownership. I hate chaining..ugh :mad:

Correction on my part- if the dog is running loose and "starting fights" with dogs and people (odd term to describe HA if that's what they mean- I agree with you on that one, Pitbulliest)- then it's your duty to be sure some-doggone-body raises hell somewhere, and fast. If not, while you're sleuthing around trying to spy on the dog's conditions someone's animal or child could be bitten or killed. Nip that stuff in the butt asap. Habitually roaming dogs -especially "pit bulls"- are signal numero uno of pee poor ownership.

If the dog is contained properly and just barking...well as long as the dog appears in good condition healthwise I'd just talk to the owners directly and inquire about the dog...and express concerns about his apparent aggressive nature. He could be barking out of simple excitement. Beware of putting all dogs on chains in an antisocial category. Most pets kept on chains 24/7 -yes- they are most likely not socialized properly, but an excited working dog on a chain who is properly cared for (proper care= food, water, shelter, attention from owner off-chain) may not be what it seems. A dog outside all day isn't necessarily linked to an irresponsible owner, but a dog loose certainly is.

[Nikkie&DeeJay]

Awesome!!! I used to be really scared of Pitbulls until we found ours and my vet "told me like it was". I would not trade DeeJay in for anything in this whole wide world. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/gonzamer/DSCN1011.jpg

Thanks for the pamphlet.

[Bahamutt99]

I have a section about that in my website. Scroll down to "Dog Fighting"..it has some information on how to spot dog fighting, what to do about it, etc:

http://www.pitbullproject.ca/help.htm

Any chance you could take out the part about the treadmills and springpoles? I have one and am waiting on the other to be shipped to me. Those paraphernalia laws are downright scary, because they target anything from breaking sticks to collars. I just hate the idea of innocent people being targetted because they exercise their dogs, and that kind of misinformation can be pervasive. Even though you did qualify it afterwards, I would still take it out. It also weakens the strength of what you wrote by saying "well this may indicate dog fighting, or it may not."

Not trying to be overly critical. Hope it doesn't sound like that.

[Miakoda]

Any chance you could take out the part about the treadmills and springpoles? I have one and am waiting on the other to be shipped to me. Those paraphernalia laws are downright scary, because they target anything from breaking sticks to collars. I just hate the idea of innocent people being targetted because they exercise their dogs, and that kind of misinformation can be pervasive. Even though you did qualify it afterwards, I would still take it out. It also weakens the strength of what you wrote by saying "well this may indicate dog fighting, or it may not."

Not trying to be overly critical. Hope it doesn't sound like that.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Let's see:

--I own multiple APBTs
--My dogs wear 1 1/2 to 2 inch collars
--They are on chains when more than 2 dogs are out in the yard
--We have a springpole & flirtpole
--We have treadmills (1 slat mill & 1 electric human mill that the dogs also use)
--I've got 4 break sticks
--I've got dogs with scars......from hog hunting & from a few tiffs b/n dogs before they were separated
--I've got 3 dogs with cropped ears
--I've got pedigrees on all my registered dogs & 3 are even framed
--I own many many books about the breed from new books that deal with the general basics of doggy ownership to books like "100 Years of Fighting Breeds", etc.
--As a vet tech & dog owner & horse owner, I do have Penicillan, Dexamethasone, furazone, Hydrogen Peroxide, Nolvasan, syringes with & w/out needles, & even 2 staple guns.

The scary part is that due to people pushing that these items are "proof" that someone is fighting dogs, I could very well be targeted & I am in no way a dog fighter. In fact, I'm a responsible pet owner who uses adequate sized & quality strength collars on my dogs & keep them properly confined (be it in their kennels inside, loose inside, or outside on chains/tie-outs within a fenced yard) at all times. I enjoy various types of exercise with my dogs & utilize a spring pole, flirt, pole, treadmill, weight pull harness & carts, etc. to keep them stimulated, entertained, & happy. I have break sticks in the event of an emergency if 2 dogs get into a fight as this is the quicket & safest way to break them apart. Seeing as some of my dogs are hunting dogs, they have scars....plain & simple. I had 1 dog's ears cropped (which was botched) & acquired 2 dogs that already had their ears done. I have peds because I enjoy knowing their background/history just like anyone with any other breed does. I have so many books because I enjoy reading & love educating myself about the APBT breed. As a certified/registered vet tech, I am qualified to use these medicines & tools to tend to any of my animals when they are injured or ill. I do NOT neglect to bring them to the clinic with me to see a vet, but after a consultation/diagnosis from the vet, I bring my animals home & treat them here. If someone has a problem with that, so be it.

According to many sites with lists like this, I should be reported to the local animal control by my neighbors & then prosecuted as a "dog fighter." And this thoroughly pisses me off. It seems some people are just so **** trigger happy, that they don't mind offering up hundreds of innocent APBT or "pit bull" owners in the hopes they get 1 guilty one. Shame shame.

[Renee750il]

Good points you've brought up, Miakoda and Bahamutt. No matter how well thought out and researched a point of view may be, there are always new things to be learned from others.

[pitbulliest]

before being over critical...just remember that this site is for everyone..not just people that own pit bulls or know a heck of alot about the breed, equipment, whatever... so the reason I put it up there..is because I personally feel its better for someone to call the police, for example, if they suspect a dog fighter, rather than ruling everything out because breaking sticks or treadmills couldn't possibly point to dog fighting...if someone sees a treadmill...they won't be calling the police saying oh, its dog fighting...most people can add one and one together...but if someone sees battered up dogs...multiple dogs tied in a backyard...with scratches and scars....and then there's a treadmill..well..there's more evidence than not...I hope I'm making myself clear.

Do you see what I mean? If someone is innocent..then they will be innocent and they really have nothing to worry about..but if they are not, wouldn't you rather have someone read the information and be more cautious rather than ruling everything out?

Just trying to justify my point....as I know people that do own treadmills and breaking sticks..see nothing wrong with them..but as was posted.. they may point to dog fighting, but of course they may not. To NOT post them on the site as part of the list would also be unfair..don't you agree?

[Miakoda]

before being over critical...just remember that this site is for everyone..not just people that own pit bulls or know a heck of alot about the breed, equipment, whatever... so the reason I put it up there..is because I personally feel its better for someone to call the police, for example, if they suspect a dog fighter, rather than ruling everything out because breaking sticks or treadmills couldn't possibly point to dog fighting...if someone sees a treadmill...they won't be calling the police saying oh, its dog fighting...most people can add one and one together...but if someone sees battered up dogs...multiple dogs tied in a backyard...with scratches and scars....and then there's a treadmill..well..there's more evidence than not...I hope I'm making myself clear.

Do you see what I mean? If someone is innocent..then they will be innocent and they really have nothing to worry about..but if they are not, wouldn't you rather have someone read the information and be more cautious rather than ruling everything out?

Just trying to justify my point....as I know people that do own treadmills and breaking sticks..see nothing wrong with them..but as was posted.. they may point to dog fighting, but of course they may not. To NOT post them on the site as part of the list would also be unfair..don't you agree?


I grasp what you are saying, but I do not agree that I should have to be publicly humaliated in front of my neighbors when cop cars blockade my house, detain me & possibly my husband, while ransacking my house & taking my dogs in for "thorough investigation" by some uneducated imbecile that calls themself an expert. I don't believe that I should have to be labeled "guilty" & then have to prove my innocence all because I own "dogfighting paraphenalia" & own multiple dogs. There's a lot more to being a "dogfighter" than this. If someone added up all the things I listed, then I'd be a for sure "dogfighter" according to those rules, but like I said, that's the farthest thing from the truth & I would NOT appreciated having AC & the police called on me by every nosey neighbor thinking they know it all. But that's my opinion.

[Bahamutt99]

Do you see what I mean? If someone is innocent..then they will be innocent and they really have nothing to worry about..but if they are not, wouldn't you rather have someone read the information and be more cautious rather than ruling everything out?

Yes and no. Innocent doesn't necessarily mean you come away unscathed. In the Floyd Boudreaux case, as far as I know, his case still hasn't even gone to trial yet. But his dogs were dead within, what, a week? Two? I'm no FB, but that makes me wholly nervous. Whether he's innocent or not, he's already paid the price.

If you want to have the most impact, you should point to things which are almost certain to indicate a dog fighter and leave out the fluff. More and more pet owners are buying treadmills, hanging springpoles, investing in breaking sticks and the like. And its counter-productive to have people trying to educate about the sense and benefits to owning such equipment, while there are other sites which suggest that such are the tools of the dog fighter. Do you know what I mean?

I just feel that if you are going to try and educate people on an important topic like this, you shouldn't include things that would cause an innocent owner to possibly get fingered. You would hope that people would put two and two together, but in reality, do they? Is there any reason to believe they wouldn't look for any one of those items if they wanted to raise trouble for their neighbor? While I respect the message that you're trying to get across, and I know the site is for everybody, think like a Pit Bull owner. ;) Do you want to even be looked at cross-eyed for hanging a springpole? Or playing flirtpole or tug with your dog in the yard? I don't. Its like saying one should suspect a Labrador owner who owns tennis balls.

[Bahamutt99]

Mia just made me think of all the things I've got on hand that could get me in a world of poop. And ya know, 3 years ago, I wouldn't have had most of it. But some of those veterinary products can be a life-saver when you're poor. I give my own vaccinations and wormings, and have things like vetwrap, Rimadyl, Clavamox, etc around for those lovely emergencies.

[Amstaffer]

Pitbulliest.... I think your website is fine. If you have all those characteristics it doesn't mean you are a dog fighter, it just means you are likely to be a dogfighter or involved in breeding and training fighting dogs.

I used to be a Probation and Parole officer and when we did raids on homes and we found scales, lots of baggies, lots of guns and cash we most often found out after that the person was involved in selling drugs.....not everytime but the vast majority of the time the "signs" were right.

[pitbulliest]

"The presence of treadmills and springpoles (although this equipment may not necessarily indicate that it is used for dog fighting, as treadmills and springpoles are also used to condition dogs for weight pulling competitions or simply for exercise)."

By the way, thats quoted from my site in the list ^
looking at it again, I think I'll leave it for now because to be honest..I've been fair in explaining the other side of the story...

I do however, appreciate your guys' imput. When I'm doing some updates, perhaps I'll work on rewording it a bit more to make the point even clearer.

Thanx

[Renee750il]

before being over critical...just remember that this site is for everyone..not just people that own pit bulls or know a heck of alot about the breed, equipment, whatever... so the reason I put it up there..is because I personally feel its better for someone to call the police, for example, if they suspect a dog fighter, rather than ruling everything out because breaking sticks or treadmills couldn't possibly point to dog fighting...if someone sees a treadmill...they won't be calling the police saying oh, its dog fighting...most people can add one and one together...but if someone sees battered up dogs...multiple dogs tied in a backyard...with scratches and scars....and then there's a treadmill..well..there's more evidence than not...I hope I'm making myself clear.

Do you see what I mean? If someone is innocent..then they will be innocent and they really have nothing to worry about..but if they are not, wouldn't you rather have someone read the information and be more cautious rather than ruling everything out?

Sorry, that is one of the more dangerously naive statements I hear made. Puts a lot of innocent people behind bars . . . And the police and regular animal control are generally pathetically unqualified to make decisions on who is and who isn't fighting dogs. That kind of knee-jerk alarmism is going to get some innocent dogs killed and some worthy, loving dog owners harrassed, labeled and ruined.

[pitbulliest]

Aside from what you just quoted from my other post,

Did you read what the point that is being questioned on my website actually says?

Again, here it is *sighs*:

"The presence of treadmills and springpoles (although this equipment may not necessarily indicate that it is used for dog fighting, as treadmills and springpoles are also used to condition dogs for weight pulling competitions or simply for exercise)."

I don't know where you live..but here..its impossible to make local authorities even remotely care about dog fighting issues...to actually see a dog fighter in court being punished for the actual crime he did is a rarity...the most they get is a slap on the wrist...perhaps the police and AC actually give a rat's ass where you live...lucky...

I think its unfair to say that a point on my list that's evidently backed up with a "BUT" statement will get someone's dogs killed and some innocent soul put into jail is a little far fetched and unfair, don't you think? :confused:

[Miakoda]

Pitbulliest.... I think your website is fine. If you have all those characteristics it doesn't mean you are a dog fighter, it just means you are likely to be a dogfighter or involved in breeding and training fighting dogs.
I used to be a Probation and Parole officer and when we did raids on homes and we found scales, lots of baggies, lots of guns and cash we most often found out after that the person was involved in selling drugs.....not everytime but the vast majority of the time the "signs" were right.

:yikes: So now I'm not a dogfighter, but I'm just likely to be a dogfighter or involved in the breeding & training of fighting dogs?

Oh what a scary day............................:cool:

[Miakoda]

"The presence of treadmills and springpoles (although this equipment may not necessarily indicate that it is used for dog fighting, as treadmills and springpoles are also used to condition dogs for weight pulling competitions or simply for exercise)."

By the way, thats quoted from my site in the list ^
looking at it again, I think I'll leave it for now because to be honest..I've been fair in explaining the other side of the story...

I do however, appreciate your guys' imput. When I'm doing some updates, perhaps I'll work on rewording it a bit more to make the point even clearer.

Thanx

I respect what you are trying to do & I think you have a good heart for doing it. I just think that making lists like that are counterproductive & harm the innocent & ruin their families vs. actually leading to the indictment of dogfighters.

[Miakoda]

In the Floyd Boudreaux case, as far as I know, his case still hasn't even gone to trial yet. But his dogs were dead within, what, a week?

Floyd's dogs were all destroyed within 48 hours with the majority being destroyed within the first 24 hours. The case hasn't gone to trial because the so called "evidence" that the LA-SPCA & HSUS supposedly had on him just isn't there. I'm not trying to start a debate because we all know who he is & what he used to do before the Animal Welfare Act was passed. I'm just trying to make a point that he was brought down for what he used to do (& right or wrong, it was legal then) not for what he was doing. I believe the biggest thing now is trying to say he was knowingly breeding dogs to fight but IMO that's like saying gun manufacturers knowingly produce guns so people can murder others with them.

But I see Baha's point. Not long after the Floyd bust, 2 firefighters in Shreveport were busted for dogfighting as well by the LASPCA & HSUS. Their dogs were shot where they stood & bagged & numbered where they fell. The kicker to this story? They were acquitted of all charges because their wasn't any factual hard evidence to state otherwise. So not only were their good names ruined, but they & their children watched their dogs get murdered. However, the point wasn't to actually convict the owners but moreso to get rid of the dogs......IMO. And this is a very scary occurance to me as it could be ANY of us that this happens to thanks to the "rid the world of pit bulls" mentality.

[pancho]

Floyd's dogs were all destroyed within 48 hours with the majority being destroyed within the first 24 hours. The case hasn't gone to trial because the so called "evidence" that the LA-SPCA & HSUS supposedly had on him just isn't there. I'm not trying to start a debate because we all know who he is & what he used to do before the Animal Welfare Act was passed. I'm just trying to make a point that he was brought down for what he used to do (& right or wrong, it was legal then) not for what he was doing. I believe the biggest thing now is trying to say he was knowingly breeding dogs to fight but IMO that's like saying gun manufacturers knowingly produce guns so people can murder others with them.

But I see Baha's point. Not long after the Floyd bust, 2 firefighters in Shreveport were busted for dogfighting as well by the LASPCA & HSUS. Their dogs were shot where they stood & bagged & numbered where they fell. The kicker to this story? They were acquitted of all charges because their wasn't any factual hard evidence to state otherwise. So not only were their good names ruined, but they & their children watched their dogs get murdered. However, the point wasn't to actually convict the owners but moreso to get rid of the dogs......IMO. And this is a very scary occurance to me as it could be ANY of us that this happens to thanks to the "rid the world of pit bulls" mentality.

In Floyd's case there has been evidence for many years that he was a dog fighter. The animal welfare act did nothing either way for Floyd. He just ignored it the best he could. Time and talk just added up to much for him and it wasn't possible to ignore him any longer. His problem was the many people on the web liked to talk too much.
If you know Floyd you know that he was still doing the same as he always did. Just one look around his trailer would show anyone the truth. It was just a case of a person doing something for so long they thought they could get away with it forever. He was wrong.

[Miakoda]

In Floyd's case there has been evidence for many years that he was a dog fighter. The animal welfare act did nothing either way for Floyd. He just ignored it the best he could. Time and talk just added up to much for him and it wasn't possible to ignore him any longer. His problem was the many people on the web liked to talk too much.
If you know Floyd you know that he was still doing the same as he always did. Just one look around his trailer would show anyone the truth. It was just a case of a person doing something for so long they thought they could get away with it forever. He was wrong.


Hm. :rolleyes:


Anyways, I want to apologize for taking this thread somewhat off target. Now, back to your regularly schedulted educational programming.;)

[Bahamutt99]

I don't think its terribly off-topic just yet. I think its important for potential Pit Bull owners to realize the position they're putting themselves into, and to be aware that what would be normal for other dog owners -- like walking your dog on a leash -- is suspect when there's a Pit Bull involved. I try to live like a normal person, but in the back of my mind, but these kinds of things are always in the back of my mind.

[MamabearX3]

Oh Great! This phamplet is just what I needed. Our family just accepted a 10 week old pitbull as our newest family member. According to the person who gave us this puppy, his parents are full apbt however this little guy has really fluffy hair. My parents, my husbands parents, just about every that is involved in our family, are freaking about because we have a five year old and 2 year old. I am a responcible dog owner, I raised a big teddy bear of a rhott, and I've worked at an after hours animal emergency hospital in the past. This phamplet is exactly what I need to give my family something short, sweet, and to the point to read. Thanks again!

[Fedor]

Great Way to bring a positive image to the breed.. Nice Job:D

[K9Obedience.com]

Anything to bring a positive image to this breed is a GREAT thing. I have worked with Pits as far as corrective and behavioural training goes, and i have to say that aside from Dobes and Belgian Shepherds, i have never worked with a more satisfying, LOYAL and TRUSTWORTHY breed of dog. Why don't the papers print this?

All Bull Terriers are dogs, and all dogs are the best thing since sliced bread in my view, only a person can butter it on the wrong side :)

[Deedlit]

What I have found with Pits is that they are the biggest people pleasers on the face of the earth. They have been bred to get along better with humans that with dogs, and therefore when given a task by their owner (i.e. dog fights OR guard my family, etc.) they will do it to the death and hardly even bat an eye.