Happy announcement!!!

[RedyreRottweilers]

Announcing!!!

The Redyre CHOICE litter. (http://redyrerottweilers.bravehost.com/Choicelitter.html)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a22/RedyreRotties/FayettevilleKClite.jpg
PENNY
2X Multi Breed BIS 3X High In Trial U-CH U-CD
CH Eternal Moon Finders Keepers, CD RN TT TDI CGC

CHIC# 34649 (http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1176411#animal)
OFA Hips RO-67315G24F-PI GOOD
OFA Elbows DJD1 Left, Right Normal
OFA CARDIAC RO-CA2063/25F/C-PI
Normal - CARDIOLOGIST
CERF RO-5393 TESTED: 05,06
OVC Hips/Elbows 0032914 Normal
OFA Thyroid RO-TH359/24F-PI Normal
PEDIGREE (http://www.pawvillage.com/pedigree/dynprofile.asp?ID=1J99TYVZ9Z)

UKC CH at 7 mos, 3 Group placements
1st place 6-9 puppy bitches, ARC National, 2005
AKC pointed from the puppy class
BOSSweeps, Reg. IV Sept 05
UKC MBBIS, 9/17/05, Matt Proctor
UKC MBBIS, 11/05/05, Eleanor Brown
Res. UKC MBBIS, 11/05/05, Matt Proctor
3/25/06 4 Pt MAJOR
9/23/06 4 pt MAJOR
AKC CH, 25 months, all owner handled
6/03/06 Rally Novice
12/06 Therapy Dog
3/22/07 AKC CD
2 class placements
High Scoring Working dog In Trial
2/10/07 High In Trial, 1st U-CD leg 196.5
2/11/07 High In Trial, 2nd U-CD leg 193.5
4/01/07 UKC CD, High In Trial, 196

will be bred to
Shaka (http://www.carterrottweilers.com)
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a22/RedyreRotties/shakabuckscrop.jpg
Multi BIS Multi BISS
CH Carter's Noble Shaka Zulu

CHIC # (http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1072759#animal)16328
OFA Hips RO-64061G24M-PI GOOD
OFA Elbows DJDI Right, Left Normal
OFA Cardiac RO-CA1495/24M/C-PI
Normal - CARDIOLOGIST
CERF RO-4821 Tested: 03
PEDIGREE (http://www.pawvillage.com/pedigree/dynprofile.asp?ID=B0TMX7FKYQ)
BISS ARC National Specialty
2004, 2005, 2006
BISS Colonial Rottweiler Club, 2006
BIS Bred By Exhibitor
Eukaneuba Invitational, 2006
Group 1, Westminster Kennel Club 2006
Over 100 times Group 1
Over 40 times BIS

I am very excited about this litter. All puppies are spoken for, but stay tuned for frequent updates and lots of pictures as we go along.

[bubbatd]

Anxious for the results !!!!

[ravennr]

Shaka is gorgeous, good choice.

[mrose_s]

gorgeous rotti's. good luck

[Spiritus]

OMG! That is going to one INCREDIBLE litter! I can't wait to watch them grow!

[FoxyWench]

cant wait to watch them grow!

[corsomom]

That is a happy announcement! I cant wait to see these puppies, congratulations!

[showpug]

Both are beautiful! Can't wait to see the puppies they prodice together! When is Penny due to come in?

[RedyreRottweilers]

Any day now.

I am fighting the curse of the morning white tissue.

She is technically due about the 25th, but has been shedding like mad lately, so I expect her a bit early possibly.

[Giny]

Weee! Can't wait, can't wait to see them! Congrats to all!

I love the name Shaka, it was the name of my dobie I had almost 20 yrs ago.

[ChRotties]

Congratulations! :)
Updates are required ya know! LOL




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[Spirit2010]

Oh my gosh!! Its Shaka!!! I have watched the Eukanuba shows, and Shaka was on it!!! Cool! I can't wait!!

[RD]

Pardon my ignorance, but isn't there a higher risk of having puppies with elbow dysplasia if you breed an affected bitch to an affected dog, rather than to a dog without the condition? Just wondering, not trying to nitpick or anything.

Good luck!! Looking forward to seeing the puppies as they mature.

[darkchild16]

Im with Grace on this one why would you breed to elbow dysplasia dogs together? Especially with a breed so prone to it?

but good luck!

[planet molosser]

Studies have proven that inheritance of hip and elbow dyplasia can be traced back to right of left inheritance.

I will breed a looser Penn hip Left to to a looser Penn Hip Right dog.

But I wont MATCH up loose L or R.

Either way great job on ALL testing ALL showing and ALl working .

The #1 reason dogs are PTS are BAD temperaments.
Personally in guardian breeds Temperaments should come first, coupled with good health and healthy comformation.
THe show wins are a added plus to confirm dedication to the breed and line.

KUDOS :)

[RedyreRottweilers]

You two can rest assured that I have looked at the entire picture, have done extensive research, and have sought the opinions and advice of others in my breed.

This subject has been hashed out on this board more than once.

Puppies are placed with happy prospective owners.

As with any breeding, 2 years down the road I will know if it was the right decision or not.

[ChRotties]

I personally don't have a problem with breeding grade 1 elbows in Rottweilers as long as the dogs in question aren't exhibiting problems.

I agree with Red, this topic has been hashed out here before. Breeding dogs responsibly isn't an easy job...decisions aren't always as easy as they seem.

I for one can't wait for puppy pics!:)

[jess2416]

Congrats :) cant wait for pics :D

[juliefurry]

Congratulations. They are both fine looking rotts. Can't wait for pictures. Good luck!

[Melissa_W]

That's wonderful! I can't wait to see the pups!

[RD]

Studies have proven that inheritance of hip and elbow dyplasia can be traced back to right of left inheritance.

I will breed a looser Penn hip Left to to a looser Penn Hip Right dog.

But I wont MATCH up loose L or R.

Either way great job on ALL testing ALL showing and ALl working .

The #1 reason dogs are PTS are BAD temperaments.
Personally in guardian breeds Temperaments should come first, coupled with good health and healthy comformation.
THe show wins are a added plus to confirm dedication to the breed and line.

KUDOS :)

I never knew that, thanks for the info :)

Have a link to any of these studies?

[stevinski]

O M G!!!!!!!

Top Winning BIS Rottweiler in Breed History,

could u get a better stud!!!

i am so happy for you!!

how many of the pups are you keeping??

[RedyreRottweilers]

I will be keeping 2 most likely, and run them on for at least 6 months until bites come in.

:D

[planet molosser]

I will post the links on a separate thread do NOT want to hijack or give fuel to anyone. They are on my old computer.

Penn hip has allot of info because they are the ones that came up with Rating each hip vs OFA rating both equally.

http://www.pennhip.org/MenuFrame.html

Allot of the reports ive collected I had to pay a service online for the rights to buy the study > But I do not think I have the right to publish them ...
They cost about $9-30 each.

But the above link is a good start...

[Brattina88]

omigosh! That's so exciting!
They will produce amazing pups, I hope we will get plenty of pictures and brags! :D

[Cheza]

Congrats and good luck, I hope everything goes as smoothly as it possibly can :)

[Momof2Pups]

Congrats! I can't wait to see pictures of the pups and see your track of Penny's pregnancy and the puppies' development. Ok, that was a run-on sentence. ;)

[bubbatd]

It's so nice to look forward to a well planned litter !

[RedyreRottweilers]

TY, Grammy, I am ECSTATIC about these plans.

I have been SO fortunate to have gotten some REALLY excellent show and working homes for these puppies.

You can all look forward to an avalanche of photos once the process gets started.

Now will SOMEONE go out and light some incense and make an offering to the "come in season" doggy goddess?

;) :D

[Buddy'sParents]

Congrats! I look forward to puppy pics. I hope it all goes well for you.

[Laurelin]

Congrats! I expect lots of pics!

[Zoom]

That's awesome! I'll be following closely...I agree with Grammy it's going to wonderful to follow a planned and well-researched litter!

[Sunnierhawk0]

Congrats on the litter.

Post pics when the kiddies are here.

[puppydog]

Wow, those are going to be some gorgeous pups! The stud is an amazingly handsome man, Penny is just beautiful, she is really a lovely well turned out Rottie.

[bubbatd]

This will need to be a stickie ......... blow by blow from breeding to whelp . Ultra sounds , whelping pen and preparation etc .

[Lizmo]

Exactly, Grammy ^^^ :D

[Barb04]

Oh, I can't wait for the little ones to arrive! I'm so excited for you! How is the mom doing?

[RedyreRottweilers]

She is fine. She has not been bred yet, I'm still awaiting mother nature to do her magic.

:D

[J's crew]

Sighhhhh. :rolleyes:

Not to ruin your happy announcement or anything but........I thought the whole issue with the elbows was that you were going to breed Penny to a dog with excellent elbows. At least thats what you said. :confused:

[Sunnierhawk0]

I love it how everyone thinks Penny's breeding is thier own business.

This is exactly why when I breed my bitch I wont be posting ANYTHING about the breeding, because everyone thinks they know better.

*rolls eyes*

[RedyreRottweilers]

No worries, no one is going to rain on my parade.

:D

Stay tuned for updates.

[Buddy'sParents]

That's the spirit, Red! :D

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

Congrats, Red!! :D I was wondering when you were going to have a litter!

Can't wait for those puppy pics! :D

Hope all goes well. :)

[J's crew]

I love it how everyone thinks Penny's breeding is thier own business.

This is exactly why when I breed my bitch I wont be posting ANYTHING about the breeding, because everyone thinks they know better.

*rolls eyes*


Well I suppose when you post it on a PUBLIC forum then you should expect comments, even if you don't like them. ;)

And as I have said before, Rottweilers are my business, you know, since I rescue them.

[Roxy's CD]

J's crew- I seriously doubt that any of Rebekah's pups will end up in rescues. So you have nothing to worry about.

Red- I remember you talking about the possibility of breeding Penny to Shaka. I remember seeing his win at the Westminster, last year, right?

Can't wait to see the pictures of the pups and hear updates on how they all do once their born. : )

[J's crew]

J's crew- I seriously doubt that any of Rebekah's pups will end up in rescues. So you have nothing to worry about.


And I'm sure they won't. It doesn't mean I don't care about the health of my all time favorite breed though......

[bubbatd]

Crap does happen even with the most careful health testing ! Breeders who care do their upmost , but there can always be an " whoops " pup . I had one once , poor guy had bad back legs .... gave him to a family who had a child on crutches . The boy didn't want to be born that way , and neither did the pup !! A perfect match !! No matter how much how much pre-breeding checking you do , some slip through your hopes and dreams ..... whether dog or human ..... there's a reason for everything !

[otch1]

Congratulations! Have competed against Shaka in group, he's one hot Rottie! Hope all goes well. Lighting that incense and doing a fertility dance right now. Lol.

[Lizmo]

Red, if you don't mind anwsering this questions I have.....J's Crew said that you are breeding Penny to a dog that has elbow problems too. I see that, but her elbow DJD1 is in the Left one, and Shaka's is in the right.
Wouldn't that still be breeding a dog that has strong points where the other dog doesn't?

Does that make sense?

[RedyreRottweilers]

lizmo, this has been discussed in detail on this website.

I don't plan to discuss it on this thread. I'd appreciate it if you would care to discuss such a topic, you be kind enough to start another thread.

Or do a search. It's been beaten to death.

[Lizmo]

Please, don't get me wrong, it was an honest question that I have no idea what the answer would be. I think though that it would be good.

If you would like, we can take this to PM.

[Buddy'sParents]

I see no reason to not answer Lizmo's questions, especially if you're all about honesty, Red. She's just learning and definitely not coming from where J's is coming from, which has been beaten to death on the forum by her doing already.

Red, you've always been good about educating people on the forum, please don't stop because one or two people have a beef against you and your accomplishments.

[RD]

Red, you've always been good about educating people on the forum, please don't stop because one or two people have a beef against you and your accomplishments.

I agree. Just because someone has a question does not mean they are trying to pick a fight - Lizmo's question seemed completely objective to me.

I've done a search and still have been unable to come up with an answer to my question and Lizmo's. If you don't wish to answer the questions, that's fine, but I was under the impression that you would given the fact that you have been very open about this breeding in your original post.

[J's crew]

I see no reason to not answer Lizmo's questions, especially if you're all about honesty, Red. She's just learning and definitely not coming from where J's is coming from, which has been beaten to death on the forum by her doing already.

Red, you've always been good about educating people on the forum, please don't stop because one or two people have a beef against you and your accomplishments.


Well, sometimes I think you beat things to death. That's what you do when you know things are wrong. And btw, honesty doesn't always ensure that the "right thing" is being done. Am I not able to express my opinion?

My point was simply that Redyre has always told of the importance of breeding Penny to a male with a excellent elbow background. Shaka's isn't.

[Sunnierhawk0]

*Yawn*

I dont know what expressing that this is "wrong" is going to do? It may be wrong in one person's eyes, but not others.

Its not like she is going to change her mind because of someone on the internet.

I wish you the best of luck with healthy, sound beautiful babies

[RD]

Then why does it matter if people on the internet post their opinions and questions?

[Sunnierhawk0]

They shouldn't ;)

HAHA We should just all post how our day was and no one respond.

Im gonna call you here in a mintue and talk about MOVIE THEATRES

[Lizmo]

I don't care what she does at this point, I just want her to answer my HONEST question! :confused: I am trying to actually LEARN.

And even if she doesn't want to answer here in public, she can gladly PM me and it will never be brought up again by me!

[Buddy'sParents]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion until it gets personal and becomes more than "this is my opinion" and more of "you are wrong and I will remind you every time your fingers type a sentence about this or that". Then, it's personal and an online public forum is no place for personal vendettas.

It is obvious that you are vehemently opposed to Red's breeding of her Penny. Fine. But does that mean that you should stalk her and "rain on her parade" every single time she utters the word, "Penny"? No.

We know your stand. Stop the personal bashing before it even starts. If you want to communicate with Rebekah about her breeding program do so via private messages.

[Sunnierhawk0]

Great post Buddy!

[J's crew]

We know your stand. Stop the personal bashing before it even starts. If you want to communicate with Rebekah about her breeding program do so via private messages.


The purpose of my first post was directed towards her explanation of breeding to a dog with excellent elbows, nothing else. Nothing personal and I do not wish to communicate privately. I am sorry you think that is bashing.

[Buddy'sParents]

I am sorry I misunderstood your intentions. I am honestly very glad you had no intentions of turning this into a bashing-fest.

Now... let's carry on with rottie puppy talk. ;)

[stevinski]

I don't care what she does at this point, I just want her to answer my HONEST question! I am trying to actually LEARN.

And even if she doesn't want to answer here in public, she can gladly PM me and it will never be brought up again by me!

red said at the beginning that she didnt want to discuss the elbow thing in this thread, so wouldnt it be nicer to respect her wishes and learn in a thread of your own, instead of taking someones thread tht was meant to be for congratulations and happy thoughts,

[NemoGirl]

:yikes: He is breathtaking!! What a gorgeous example of the breed..You must be so proud.... Just beautiful:)
Andrea

[RedyreRottweilers]

I see no reason to not answer Lizmo's questions, especially if you're all about honesty, Red. She's just learning and definitely not coming from where J's is coming from, which has been beaten to death on the forum by her doing already.

Red, you've always been good about educating people on the forum, please don't stop because one or two people have a beef against you and your accomplishments.


I also don't appreciate YOUR public beratement.

As I said, this has been discussed here MORE THAN ONCE.

Please stop hijacking and ruining my HAPPY THREAD if you don't mind. I have never, nor will I ever, refuse to answer about anything regarding my dogs.

If one wants the entire discussions, just do a search on my thread, or DJD1, and you will find it.

Just because people want to rant about my choices in this breeding does not mean I am going to have a 10 page discussion about it on my this announcement thread.

What I WILL say, and this is my FINAL WORD on this subject:

My bitch is OVC normal elbows.
The stud dog has produced five offspring with OFA Normal elbows.
The stud dog has an OFA normal elbow full sister.
The sire's dam has normal elbows, as does HER sire, and HIS dam.
The sire of the sire is a very closely bred dog, and the elbow production record on him is good.

None of these puppies are for sale. Just announcing something that I've waited for for many many years, and having a great time with those who are also sharing in my joy and excitement.

[NemoGirl]

I also don't appreciate YOUR public beratement.

As I said, this has been discussed here MORE THAN ONCE.

Please stop hijacking and ruining my HAPPY THREAD if you don't mind. I have never, nor will I ever, refuse to answer about anything regarding my dogs.

If one wants the entire discussions, just do a search on my thread, or DJD1, and you will find it.

Just because people want to rant about my choices in this breeding does not mean I am going to have a 10 page discussion about it on my this announcement thread.

What I WILL say, and this is my FINAL WORD on this subject:

My bitch is OVC normal elbows.
The stud dog has produced five offspring with OFA Normal elbows.
The stud dog has an OFA normal elbow full sister.
The sire's dam has normal elbows.


None of these puppies are for sale. Just announcing something that I've waited for for many many years, and having a great time with those who are also sharing in my joy and excitement.

:yikes: Oh lord..I am so sorry I brought this thread back up, I didn't read it all the way through.. I am happy for you and I hope it all goes well..
Again Sorry:( Andrea

[RedyreRottweilers]

thank you, so do I.

I'm about done sharing anything else about it here, since apparently it's ok for everyone out there to bash me and hijack and ruin my thread.

I have better things to do than defend my choice of a BIS BISS stud dog with a CHIC number.....

;) :)

[Doberluv]

J'sCrew...I don't know what your experience or education is in breeding matters. I don't know all there is to know, to be sure. But one thing I have learned is that no breeder can breed for perfect everything. There is NO SUCH THING. No dog is perfect in every way. Sometimes, something's gotta give. Even with the most stringent criteria, because purebred dogs come from a small gene pool, there is STILL something which can cause defects EVEN WHEN all the health issues appear normal. It's called, I believe, genetic drift. It's something that happens exclusively because dogs are related, even if distantly and has nothing to do with breeding dogs who are affected with some defect. It's the genetic drift in and of itself which causes defects and mutations. You and I both would have to learn more about genetics to understand this better. But biologists Ray and Lorna Coppinger describe some of this in their book.

Back to the situation here....no breeder can have a dog that is perfect in every way. One may have great elbows and all the diseases check out fine, but the dog has a temperament problem. Or a dog has a great temperament and great conformation, good health except for one thing.

Responsible breeders take the WHOLE picture into account and strive to improve on the last generation. That's all they can do. Even when diseases or defects don't show up in the parents, a gene can present itself from ancestors. Health testing is good, but it's not the end all. There's a lot more to consider.

That said, I hope you'll drop it.

Red...beautiful and impressive dogs, both of them. Good luck...can't wait to see puppies!

[planet molosser]

Great post doberluv :)

[Barb04]

I look forward to seeing the puppies from these two gorgeous dogs.

[BlackDogRescie]

WOW those are some very beauitful dog's i love the heads on rotties.. good luck with the up coming puppies..

[showpug]

Now I hope Penny hurries up and comes in! I want to hear how everything goes, especially the Whelpwhise, before I breed my litter.

Good luck with everything. Both dogs are fabulous.

[classacked]

Rebekah,
Please don't let the few negative opinions rain on your parade. It is going to be an AWESOME litter and one that will produce excellent examples of the true Rottweiler. One who can work as well as show. Great choice and please be proud of all of your and Penny's accomplishments.

[apbtmomof4]

Congratulations on deciding on a stud. I can't wait to hear about the puppies. They are going to be some beautiful babies.