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Reggin
04-07-2007, 09:42 PM
Just thought I would share some info on wolf hybrids. I personaly dont believe in breeding these dogs. I also dont understand why anyone would choose to own one.

Whats your opinion?



Some Differences - Wolves vs. Dogs

Genetics/Physical Traits

* Pure wolves cycle once a year - pups are born late March through early May. Dogs are born year-round.

* Pure wolves and high contents are born black (or very dark gray). Even Arctics, who eventually turn white, are dark at birth. Dogs are born in a variety of colors.

* High content (adult) hybrids look very wolfy. Some physical characteristics of the wolf are: long, leggy body; thick, double-coat; extra-large paws; ruff of fur around the neck and shoulder area; elongated snout; long, curved canine teeth; slanted eyes ranging from brown to amber to yellow (never blue) in color; small, furry, rounded ears; straight tail (as opposed to the malamute/husky tail which curls up over the back); black nose. Note: None of these characteristics should be used in and of itself to determine wolf content, since a number of them may be common to wolves and some dogs.

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Behavioral Traits

* Early, consistent socialization of the hybrid is necessary at an early age, to adults, children, other animals, noises, situations, etc. If this is not done, the animal may grow into a skittish, unmanageable, fear-biting adult.

* Destruction - the wolf is a digger by nature, and the destruction in your home can be extreme, i.e. the living room couch, other furniture, even the walls themselves. Many high content hybrids can open just about anything (despite baby-proof locks) including the refrigerator, cabinets, and doors.

* The fact that wolves do not defecate in one area like domesticated dogs, combined with the natural inclination to mark their territory, makes housebreaking wolves and high content hybrids extremely difficult.

* High content hybrids are not good watchdogs, due to the wolf's timid nature. Do not expect a high content hybrid to protect you or your property. High contents and pure wolves don't bark much (usually one warning bark, as opposed to the dog's repetitive bark), so they don't make good "alarms", either.

* Howling - wolves and hybrids howl, whether out of loneliness, at sirens, or for their own wolf reasons. Take into consideration what type of neighborhood you live in and what your neighbors will put up with. Not everyone appreciates the eerily beautiful howl of the wolf, especially at 4:00 am.

* Mouthing - mouthing and nipping are natural behaviors which must be modified at an early age. Teaching an adult 120 lb. hybrid not to bite is no fun, not to mention dangerous.

* As far as being good with kids, yes, they can be brought up and socialized with children. But be aware that the prey instinct may be triggered by the young/small child running, or falling down and crying. Many hybrids grow to be very large in size, and play roughly as well. * Regardless of breed or content, no large dog should EVER be left alone with a child.*

* Obedience - wolves are extremely intelligent. They do, however, have their own reasons for doing things, and do not have the inbred desire to please humans that dogs do. Obedience training (especially with higher contents) is likely to take more time and effort and produce less reliable results than with a dog, although it can be done. Getting a high content hybrid to come when called is a major undertaking; most can not be let off leash in a public area because of this (combined with the fact that children or small animals may trigger the prey instinct at any time). But many low contents have, with perseverance, gone through formal obedience training class and even excelled. Another extremely important thing is that you establish yourself as alpha early on. It is natural for wolves to challenge the alpha for place in the pack order. You must be prepared to deal with these types of behaviors correctly. *Never, ever hit a wolf or hybrid.* Seek help from a professional trainer experienced with hybrids.

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Day To Day Considerations

* Hybrids are escape artists. They need an escape-proof enclosure, with room to run. Hybrids (or for that matter, dogs) should NEVER be kept on a chain as a primary means of containment. The minimum necessary for containment is six foot high chain link fencing with lean-ins at the top, and a dig-proof bottom. Hotwire and a perimeter fence are also recommended. Kira Frye's packet (see last page) has extensive information regarding the building of a proper enclosure.

* Hybrids need companionship, canine as well as human. Another hybrid or large breed of dog of the opposite sex is preferable.

* Wolves are carnivores. High content hybrids do not do well on kibble alone. Be prepared to supplement the diet with fresh meat - many of the sources listed on the last page go into specific detail on this. It is a good idea to locate a source for meat and find out the costs involved before obtaining your animal.

* Transporting high content hybrids and pure wolves in a car is difficult. Getting them into the crate is an ordeal in itself, and many defecate and urinate out of fear during the ride, making a routine visit to the vet an unpleasant experience at best. Some owners find it necessary to tranquilize their animals before transporting them. Be aware that some vets refuse to treat wolf hybrids of any content, and some refuse to administer the rabies vaccine since its effectiveness on hybrids remains to be proven (although this is an issue which is currently in debate, and evidence is pointing towards the vaccine being approved for use on wolves and wolf hybrids).

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A Word About Percentages

It has been estimated that over 90% of wolf hybrids sold in this country are credited with being of higher wolf content than they actually are. One danger in this is that the buyer purchasing a low content animal thinking it's higher may have the animal for years with no problems, training it like a dog, having it live in the house, be housebroken, non-destructive, etc. This person then spreads the story of how wonderful these high-content animals are and how easily cared for not much more trouble than a dog! Someone else hearing this (or even this same person getting a second animal down the line) then gets what actually IS a high content animal - and is in for a big surprise. Also, keep in mind that in addition to percentage, the number of generations the animal is away from a pure wolf will affect behavior as well. A hybrid which is 8 generations down the line from a pure wolf will be less "wolfy" than one who is 3 generations away.

Most high content hybrids (and certainly pure wolves) do NOT make good house pets; most people who have high content animals keep them in the house as pups, only to banish them to the yard after the destruction and behaviors become too much to deal with. This is not to say that no one has ever been successful at keeping a high content in the house (however, many who think they have done so may unknowingly have lower content animals) - but it would take extreme effort and dedication, as opposed to the amount of work required to acclimate a lower content or pure dog.

Note: Wolves have traditionally been crossed with malamutes or huskies, and are also sometimes crossed with german shepherds. Due to the recent surge of popularity of the hybrid and the potential for a quick buck, some unethical breeders have begun to cross wolves with more aggressive breeds, such as chows or pit bulls. These particular crosses are an accident waiting to happen, and threaten the future existence of hybrids everywhere. Do not support this very dangerous trend.

Boemy
04-07-2007, 10:22 PM
I love wolves, but they should be allowed to be wild creatures, not penned up in some BYBers backyard or handed off to someone who just thinks "wolves are kewl, so I'll buy one". We even have dogs that look "wolf-like", like huskies and malamutes . . . even german shepherds look a little bit wolfy, with their upright ears. Why can't people just go get one of those breeds?

I agree, they should not be bred. I can't imagine a responsible breeder breeding a wolf-hybrid.

WolfPark.org (http://www.wolfpark.org), which is a wolf sanctuary, also has some excellent articles about "tame" wolves and wolf hybrids.

blue
04-07-2007, 10:32 PM
A HS friend had a 75% hybrid. One of the friendliest loving and forgiving dog you could ever meet.

I am not a fan of wolf hybrids in general, for the record

RD
04-07-2007, 10:52 PM
I had one, and one thing that the article neglects to mention is CHEWING. A bored wolf hybrid will destroy a house in a matter of minutes. Mine lived primarily outdoors and would chew through trees and tractor tires - and that was with 80 acres to roam/hunt.

He was, however, unlike any dog I've met and he was very interesting to raise and train. I personally will never have another wolf hybrid, but if the right person wants one I wouldn't discourage them from rescuing - only from buying one from a "breeder".

darkchild16
04-09-2007, 08:35 AM
I have one and he is ther greatest dog. he works our horses and helps on the farm and he loves the kids. Hes not like the rest of the dogs hes unique and intresting but i have to go to class see ya.

darkchild16
04-09-2007, 04:34 PM
I however wouldnt breed them. THey are in a whole different league of their own but i will rescue them and continue to own ones that need me.

darkchild16
04-09-2007, 04:36 PM
I had one, and one thing that the article neglects to mention is CHEWING. A bored wolf hybrid will destroy a house in a matter of minutes. Mine lived primarily outdoors and would chew through trees and tractor tires - and that was with 80 acres to roam/hunt.


so true cody has gotten into so much its not even funny. and he has a farm to live on and roam LOL.

casablanca1
04-09-2007, 05:02 PM
I think they're the biggest scam imaginable. As far as I know, there is no way to actually prove that any given animal contains any wolf, let alone the percentage. Similar to purebred dogs, you rely on the breeder's integrity. Unlike in purebred dogs, there's no central dog registry with any clout.

That said, I think they're at least as sane a pet choice as other pets that get better PR. "I can't imagine why anyone would want to own X" is a sentiment we've all had, at one time or another. The tide seems to be flowing anti-hybrid, for reasons I don't completely understand. They're fairly rare; they should be categorized as wild animals, not as dogs, but since we live in a country (well, the Americans) where a few states still let you own lions, I don't see how hybrids are so terrible. A bad idea, certainly, but I'm not sure why it's ok to slam their fans.

Mach1girl
04-09-2007, 09:12 PM
I have known a few people to take them on as pets in the past. Now, they are all gone. Each one after a few years had to be literally shot due to turning on someone for one reason or another.

Personally I wouldnt trust one for long. Id help one, but wouldnt take one on for long, especially as a pet.

Zoom
04-09-2007, 09:23 PM
My boss had a low content wolf X GSD when she was younger...they had to euth. the dog when it was about 3 -4 because it suddenly developed overprotectiveness towards my boss and would try to bite anyone who came near her. This dog had been through all levels of 4-H and highly socialized too.

~Jessie~
04-09-2007, 09:37 PM
Some girl on another forum I was on a while back bought a wolf hybid as a puppy... anyway, when the puppy grew older (2-3 years old), he ended up developing overprotectiveness towards his family as well. The dog would not allow the family to leave the house without a fight (growling, snarling when the family would walk near the door), and would not allow others near their house either. This dog was socialized as well, and they also lived in a house on a ton of acreage with other dogs as well.

Other than this, I have no experience with hybrids.

FoxyWench
04-09-2007, 09:52 PM
ive met a few (and been lucky enough to work with pure wolves too)
of the traits i recognize in the "breed" the most is an intense natural wareyness to strangers.

many of the hybrids ive met were actually through the sanctuary and young adults who had developed territoraial and overprotectivness issues. These probelms seem to be not only common with wolf hybirds but almost impossible to socilize out.
ive seen wolf hybirds never socilized and ive seen them socilized from day one and all of them despite it all seem to go from being simply warey of strangers to being downright none trusting and even as drastic as has been stated they will protect their family, their pack with their lives.

they seem to tend to have submissive natures with people, their temperments around other dogs however can be unpredictable as with a pack there usually open and frinedly with their established human and k9 pack, but either terrified or very agressive with strange humans and dogs.

even low content tend to have these same issues.

i will admit these are absolutly gorgesous animals, but i belive the domestic canine and the human race are so far removed from those primal sources that we shouldnt try and reintroduce without an extreem purpose, the average human isnt capable of the kind of time, care and attention a wolf hybrid, even low content, needs.

after seeing what happens to those who "cant be dealt with" i would personally prefer to see woves stay wolves and domestic canines stay domestic canines. we do not need to add the wolf back in, were not in the world to need it anymore!

ive also seen the eyes of wolf hybrids that came into the sanctuary, and ive honestly seen no animal look so sad as a wolf hybrid whos been left by his pack because "he was eating the house" or "hes too protective" or "he clears the fence"

AnimalLoverCatRescuer
04-09-2007, 10:45 PM
I am not a fan of owning them, but possibly a rescue if anything would be alright. But I also plan to someday live in the woods in the middle of nowhere with the right sort of living arrangements for something like that. I wouldn't dream of getting a rescue wolf hybrid and try to stick it in an apartment or a little house in the middle of suburbia, I am sure there are some idiots out there who would. Breeders of them I am against completely, if they are just being bred for profit or just for the heck of it. Some sort of breeding program if they were going extinct would be fine by me.

Laurelin
04-09-2007, 11:07 PM
FoxyWench, you summed it up perfectly for me too.

I've been fortunate enough to be around man rescued high content wolfdogs and pure wolves. They were all given away for behavioral or size issues. The thing is most people who get them want an exotic looking dog acting animal and that's not what they get. They're not evil animals, they're just not dogs. They don't behave like your old lab or golden or even a northern breed. Their protective and destructive tendencies are most often not what the owner wants. So many of them get abandoned around here- they're fairly common. They're around in front of Wal Mart being sold, in pet stores, several ads in the paper, etc.

I'm completely against the breeding of these animals. It's basically a designer cross to me. It's sold for money because the buyer likes the looks,e tc. No thought is usually put into the breeding. It also just makes me sad to see such a noble animal as the wolf being exploited like that.

Wolves are my favorite animal, but I don't think they should be owned. If someone truely wanted a wolf hybrid and knew how to care for one, I'd suggest a rescue.