Look at this breeder, San Walvor

[Sapphire-Light]

I have beein interested in this breeder, well actully is a familly of breeders, I want to know what do you guys think obout it.

Is called "San Walvor" and is in mexico city.

The family has 62 year experience breding, and they are registreded in the FCM (FCI canine federation in mexico)



They site is http://www.criaderosanwalvor.com/

But is on repair right now. :( so I scanned this from magazines.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/Sapphire-Light/walvor1.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/Sapphire-Light/walvor2.jpg

They do healts tests.

An exam for you BEFORE buying a dog, to know if the breed you are looking is right for you.

They give 1 year gloval guarantee writen and registraded to the governent.

The guarantee is in case of death by sickness or accidental another puppy in the half of the price of the previous one but if you live in mexico city the puppy is free.

All the vaccines, whit the tablet of the date for the incomming ones.

Euro and american lines.

The first saloon service is free.

For people in mexico city, a year free of vet services.

An evolupe whit diet indications, tips on training, guarantee pedigree and the vaccines.

If you are importing the dog, they give you another envolupe whit the things nesesary for taking the dog from the country.

They have many breeds (the ones on the add and a few others) , I'm interested in the cavaliers or poodles.

I could buy one dog from them in the future, but what do you guys think about them?

[joce]

I woudn't buy from someone who bred that many dogs-but like I have said before it doens't seem like you have a lot of choices on good breeders.

[Lizmo]

I wouldn't either. Even if you don't have a lot of choises, you could looks at buying a dog from in the states and then having them either ship the pup to you or you fly out to get him/her.

[Sapphire-Light]

I wouldn't either. Even if you don't have a lot of choises, you could looks at buying a dog from in the states and then having them either ship the pup to you or you fly out to get him/her.

I'm not so shure on the shipping thing, since I couldn't see how the dogs are keeped and the quality of the dog.

The only way I could pay is via credit card, so I have to be carefull.
And maybe the dog could be stolen in the way?
And how about the AKC to FCI tranferation pedigree?

The neg on this breeder is the many breeds there's also another famous breeder in mexico whit the same number of breeds, but how about the guarranty and other things? it seem good?

[Lizmo]

I would personally try to get make a point to get a dog from the best breeder possible. And IMO this is not the one.

Yes, it may take some more work, but wouldn't you rather get a dog from a breeder you feel good about. One that wants the best for the dog.

[stevinski]

cavaliers and poodles are both popular breeds,

i'm sure there is a decent breeder near you!

[Maxy24]

are there any other countries you are willing to get the dog from?

[Sapphire-Light]

are there any other countries you are willing to get the dog from?

For now only mexico or USA, coul be here too.
I went to the last dogs expo last week, but no luck on seeing breeders of the dogs I'm seaching.

I still waiting on news of the puppy from my cousin shap pei, but we don't know if she is pregnant until one month from now.

How mush is the avarage prices for this breeds whit pedrigree?

*Shar pei I mostly whant a blue one but the other colors are pretty too.

*Cavalier
*Toy poodle
*Maltese

But I can't afford ethier a expensive dog, I have a limited money to pay the dog, and not shure if my mom is agree whit shipping.

So what's the maximun # of breeds a good breeders could have?

[Lizmo]

I would say a good breeder will only have one breed. They will learn as much as possible about that breed and DO as much as possible with that breed. Study it inside and out, backwards and forwards.

If you get a good quality puppy from a nice breeder (which I hope you will) it will probably cost about $800+

Have you ever thought about a shelter dog?

[MafiaPrincess]

You want a cheaper dog, but you want to show?
It won't really work out well like that..

I like Lizmo's suggestion.

[Sapphire-Light]

I would say a good breeder will only have one breed. They will learn as much as possible about that breed and DO as much as possible with that breed. Study it inside and out, backwards and forwards.

If you get a good quality puppy from a nice breeder (which I hope you will) it will probably cost about $800+

Have you ever thought about a shelter dog?

I don't think we can afford a $800 dog :( the maximun limit will be the half.

Im my family whe are goin troght hard times, the place where our store is my parents where there like 27 years ago, is in remolations and we have to move to another place, and we don't have idea if that place is better or worse.

Also they have planned on buying another car (for my sis) an a small house or aparment.

So we a tight on money right know.

For the shelther dog, they aren't dog shelthers here, and my family only allow me a puppy sice whe had problems on getting an adult dog in the past.

And for importing dogs, a 5 day up to day comprobant on vaccines is neadded also a copy of the ID of the vet.

Most of the show dogs here are or a pretty bad quality since the country is a 3 world one, most of them aren't even well brushed.

Mostly the terriers whit bad haircuts.

[bubbatd]

Stay away from the internet !!! I could buy 2 dogs tomorrow .....get a great looking site and say that I've bred dogs for 45 years . Great backgrounds , always done testing , champion stock etc etc ...... all true once . Today , nope !!! But then , I'm not lying !

[Maxy24]

I can't find any breeders but I found a shelter. I don't know if it's anywhere near you or if it is a great shelter but it's worth a look, the dogs are pretty much pure mutt so finding a dog of your chosen breeds might be difficult:

http://www.sfanimalrescue.org/g/gallery2/main.php

[Lizmo]

I didn't know you wanted to show :o If you do, then (sorry, more bad news) you need to get a very, very nice dog to even consider placing. And that would probably cost more than 800.

I have another idea. I am not sure how old you are? But if you are under 18 years of age you could get into Junior Showing. Even then, you could go through a breed rescue and get a puppy when they have one come in. Then you have a dog that didn't cost as much, you know probably most of what breed he/she is and you can get into junior showing. That way you don't have to pay as much, but you still get the puppy.

[Maxy24]

I'm gonna stick to looking for rescues. What states are you willing to adopt from? How about California? I can find a lot there.

[happyhound]

OK... I'm not sure most people realize where Sapphire-Light lives.

She lives in HONDURAS, and which, as she stated, is a third world country.

I agree it would be nice if she could find a breeder that doesn't breed one of everything, but I don't know if that is how it works there. For those of us that live in the states -- we really DO have it good ... where a person can pamper their dog as if it was a child. Not think of dropping $100s a month on supplies/vet/toys/whatever... and breed as a hobby, rather than a business. $400 is a lot of money in South America (my b/f has a lot of family there) and could very well buy a show quality dog there.

Sapphire-Light... I, personally, think you should go on gut instinct on choosing a breeder. Quiz them, ask for references (talk w/other puppy buyers if possible), visit the parents of the puppy, etc.

I honestly think it is asking too much to expect her to find the perfect breeder down the street.

*Again, this is just my opinion--don't beat me too badly for it*

[bubbatd]

Well put .... I feel for her . So many want good dogs and can't find them , when here we are over run with mills and HS !

[jess2416]

OK... I'm not sure most people realize where Sapphire-Light lives.

She lives in HONDURAS, and which, as she stated, is a third world country.

I agree it would be nice if she could find a breeder that doesn't breed one of everything, but I don't know if that is how it works there. For those of us that live in the states -- we really DO have it good ... where a person can pamper their dog as if it was a child. Not think of dropping $100s a month on supplies/vet/toys/whatever... and breed as a hobby, rather than a business. $400 is a lot of money in South America (my b/f has a lot of family there) and could very well buy a show quality dog there.

Sapphire-Light... I, personally, think you should go on gut instinct on choosing a breeder. Quiz them, ask for references (talk w/other puppy buyers if possible), visit the parents of the puppy, etc.

I honestly think it is asking too much to expect her to find the perfect breeder down the street.

*Again, this is just my opinion--don't beat me too badly for it*

Agreed ^^

[Mariana]

Hi. I live in Mexico City. I have visited this place. They are not breeders. They are a pet shop. They buy and re-sell puppies. The puppies are in the shop, in really small pens. All breeds are mixed, they are covered in shredded, filthy neswpaper. It is NOT a nice place. You can feel the odour as soon as you walk inside. The puppies are full of parasites. They do give a 1 year guarantee, with their vet!!! You have got to go with their vet, who evidently tells you everything´s fine. Please do not buy from them.
If you want me to, i can take photos of the place and send them to you. That way, you`ll see how these puppies live.
Please ask me all you want.
Mariana

[Mariana]

I forgot to add.
They are famous for breeding St. Bernards. But, besides that, they sell lot´s of breeds. They have a TV ad that says "If IT barks, we can get it for you".
They DO NOT test their dogs. They show some of their st. b., but they also rent them to whoever pays for their stud services. Besides, they never win in the shows (they just show them so they can say they do)

[Sapphire-Light]

Stay away from the internet !!! I could buy 2 dogs tomorrow .....get a great looking site and say that I've bred dogs for 45 years . Great backgrounds , always done testing , champion stock etc etc ...... all true once . Today , nope !!! But then , I'm not lying !

This breeder IS a member of the FCM and FCI breeders, I have some FCI offitial mexican magazines, and this person appear on the breeders list.

He even has his dogs used in the standar saint bernand isuee and he has written articles for the mag too.

But they are other mexican breeders as well, I whant to see they dogs too.

Some of the "pet" line prices start at $550 and beein helt test whit pedrigree.

If I plan to by from a breeder. I have to ask the local kennel club if see if they are registed or the # of the pedigrees are real.

OK... I'm not sure most people realize where Sapphire-Light lives.

She lives in HONDURAS, and which, as she stated, is a third world country.

I agree it would be nice if she could find a breeder that doesn't breed one of everything, but I don't know if that is how it works there. For those of us that live in the states -- we really DO have it good ... where a person can pamper their dog as if it was a child. Not think of dropping $100s a month on supplies/vet/toys/whatever... and breed as a hobby, rather than a business. $400 is a lot of money in South America (my b/f has a lot of family there) and could very well buy a show quality dog there.

Sapphire-Light... I, personally, think you should go on gut instinct on choosing a breeder. Quiz them, ask for references (talk w/other puppy buyers if possible), visit the parents of the puppy, etc.

I honestly think it is asking too much to expect her to find the perfect breeder down the street.

*Again, this is just my opinion--don't beat me too badly for it*

Thanks, is a good comment, if I had the money I would buy a champion line dog, that's for shure.



I didn't know you wanted to show :o If you do, then (sorry, more bad news) you need to get a very, very nice dog to even consider placing. And that would probably cost more than 800.

I have another idea. I am not sure how old you are? But if you are under 18 years of age you could get into Junior Showing. Even then, you could go through a breed rescue and get a puppy when they have one come in. Then you have a dog that didn't cost as much, you know probably most of what breed he/she is and you can get into junior showing. That way you don't have to pay as much, but you still get the puppy.

I have 25 years, so I passed the juniors handler limit XD

The dog show are on diapers here, in the expo I went last week A german shepperd easily won the breeds and the group in less than 15 minutes.

Why? because the dog was imported from germany? because he is a sieger? NO because he was the ONLY dog in the shepperd group, also I saw an irish terrier almost bald and he had the ears like a jack russel, but he wasen't disqualified.

In this last march they oppened the second kennel club in the country, in the second main city since the only place you could show dogs where in the main city (the one I live)

My goal is not to have a dog of the year, but only have the experience at least once to be on a ring, no matter if the dog win or not.

For the dog rescue thing, I think i going to search in this dogs breeds clubs.

[Sapphire-Light]

Hi. I live in Mexico City. I have visited this place. They are not breeders. They are a pet shop. They buy and re-sell puppies. The puppies are in the shop, in really small pens. All breeds are mixed, they are covered in shredded, filthy neswpaper. It is NOT a nice place. You can feel the odour as soon as you walk inside. The puppies are full of parasites. They do give a 1 year guarantee, with their vet!!! You have got to go with their vet, who evidently tells you everything´s fine. Please do not buy from them.
If you want me to, i can take photos of the place and send them to you. That way, you`ll see how these puppies live.
Please ask me all you want.
Mariana

Sorry, I think we posted at the same time.

I din't knew abou that. :confused:

If they are registred whit the FCM why don't accuse them to the FCM??? :confused:

Have you talked whit the persons that have buy there?

And the pics?

What breeders do you think are good there?

I forgot to add.
They are famous for breeding St. Bernards. But, besides that, they sell lot´s of breeds. They have a TV ad that says "If IT barks, we can get it for you".

Wasen't that bark thing from the Voan Loard breeder?

[Mariana]

Hi. FCM can´t do anything to them (I don´t think they care to either). Having FCM papers means nothing. Anyone can pay for papers. If you pay FCM fees, you can get listed in the magazine as a breeder (I imagine you read Perros pura sangre). I do not breed. All my dogs are spayed-neutered. They have all got pedigrees. i once asked to be listed in their magazine, and they did! As long as you pay their fees, you are considered an official breeder.
I have met people with their dogs. They are not stable dogs. They are not healthy puppies.
What breed do you want? I will be very happy to help you find a good breeder. I can go to their house, take photos, make sure puppies are healthy, etc. I can even ask my vet to go with me. I can ask the breeders and dog trainers I know for references. I would love to do that. I do know lot´s of really good breeders.
I do not have photos of san walvor right now, but their shop is really near my house. I`ll go tomorrow and take photos. I`ll put them here in the afternoon.
Please re-consider about buying from them. I can help you find a healthier dog, in a reasonable price. Please keep in touch

[Mariana]

Oh!!! I just saw you are interested in cavaliers and poodles!!!! They do not sell cavaliers. I`m certain about that, because my brother wanted to buy one some years ago, and couldn´t. We searched everywhere, and couldn´t find one single cavalier breeder.
However, I do have 3 poodles. I know some gorgeous breeders. They have really good show lines. The best poodle breeder here is called Ramon ricardo (ricmart). Hi poodles are really expensive. Another great breeder is Sharon Sibson. One of my poodles is form her lines, so I can take photos of her so you can see one of her pet quality puppies.
You can go to www.perrosdemexico.com.mx. This is the major reference for FCM activities (FCM´s page is always outdated)Go to razas y criadores, and then criaderos mexicanos. You will find these 2 breeders under poodles. You`ll also see San walvor isn´t listed.
Poodles are the breed I really, really love, and I do know lot´s of breeders, so I am sure I`´´ll be able to help you.
If you wnt to pm me in spanish, in might be easier for both of us.

[Miakoda]

Sounds like a glorified puppy mill.

[Sapphire-Light]

Sounds like a glorified puppy mill.

I was thinking abut that too, Now I'm shure the dogs that this breeders show on the adds really are "blue" blood dogs to keep for themselfes and try to make a reputation those are the puppies they sell, but the real ones for sell are of very bad quality. :(

But know I know beeing registraded to the FCM means nothing, :( the better way is too see the puppies whit our own eyes.



Hi. FCM can´t do anything to them (I don´t think they care to either). Having FCM papers means nothing. Anyone can pay for papers. If you pay FCM fees, you can get listed in the magazine as a breeder (I imagine you read Perros pura sangre). I do not breed. All my dogs are spayed-neutered. They have all got pedigrees. i once asked to be listed in their magazine, and they did! As long as you pay their fees, you are considered an official breeder.
I have met people with their dogs. They are not stable dogs. They are not healthy puppies.
What breed do you want? I will be very happy to help you find a good breeder. I can go to their house, take photos, make sure puppies are healthy, etc. I can even ask my vet to go with me. I can ask the breeders and dog trainers I know for references. I would love to do that. I do know lot´s of really good breeders.
I do not have photos of san walvor right now, but their shop is really near my house. I`ll go tomorrow and take photos. I`ll put them here in the afternoon.
Please re-consider about buying from them. I can help you find a healthier dog, in a reasonable price. Please keep in touch

Another breeds I'm searching are shar peis and clumber spaniel

But according to perros pura sangre this breeders don't live in the DF right?
Also maltese, but not shure still on those.


Oh!!! I just saw you are interested in cavaliers and poodles!!!! They do not sell cavaliers. I`m certain about that, because my brother wanted to buy one some years ago, and couldn´t. We searched everywhere, and couldn´t find one single cavalier breeder.
However, I do have 3 poodles. I know some gorgeous breeders. They have really good show lines. The best poodle breeder here is called Ramon ricardo (ricmart). Hi poodles are really expensive. Another great breeder is Sharon Sibson. One of my poodles is form her lines, so I can take photos of her so you can see one of her pet quality puppies.
You can go to www.perrosdemexico.com.mx. This is the major reference for FCM activities (FCM´s page is always outdated)Go to razas y criadores, and then criaderos mexicanos. You will find these 2 breeders under poodles. You`ll also see San walvor isn´t listed.
Poodles are the breed I really, really love, and I do know lot´s of breeders, so I am sure I`´´ll be able to help you.
If you wnt to pm me in spanish, in might be easier for both of us.

I see thank I'm going to PM you later.

Ah! also the other breeder I was talking about it was "von hund" and not Von loard" XD

[Mariana]

Hi. I´ve got your photos. I`ll try to scan them tomorrow. I`ve also got a brochure they gave me. It is not a nice place. I`ll scan it too. I know of a good clumber spaniel breeder, but I don´t have their info here. I`ll find it for you. I don´t know anything about maltese of sharpeis, but i`ll try to find nice breeders. Check the links to breeders on the page I sent you.
Sharon Sibson doesn`t live in DF, but I personally went to her place to pick my puppy up. Ramón ricardo does live in DF, but I haven´t visited him.

[stevinski]

I didn't know you wanted to show If you do, then (sorry, more bad news) you need to get a very, very nice dog to even consider placing. And that would probably cost more than 800.

Not neccersarily, many good breeders will only charge for what they have put into the puppies, so that they don't make a loss because they are not in for a profit,
as long as there going to a good home, and their dog is going to be pushed as far as possible, then normally the breeder isnt interested in the fee.
Harley for one only cost us 400 and his breeder was really good, hes from working and showing lines which is rare in the breed

[Alegros]

The best poodle breeder here is called Ramon ricardo (ricmart).

This wonderful handler stole my dog! http://alegrospoodles.com/lucky.html

[Boemy]

This wonderful handler stole my dog! http://alegrospoodles.com/lucky.html

Holy cow! :yikes:

[Mariana]

This wonderful handler stole my dog! http://alegrospoodles.com/lucky.html

I am very sorry. It´s good to know. I read in your link they changed their phone. PM me if you want their new phone, and their address. They should be easily contacted. Can´t FCM help you?

[Alegros]

I am very sorry. It´s good to know. I read in your link they changed their phone. PM me if you want their new phone, and their address. They should be easily contacted. Can´t FCM help you?

Yes, I would like to have their new phone and address, but when I tried to call before Ramon just changed the number immediately. He also closed his web site after I found out it is address. On web site is just short information, but I took lawyer who wrote letter to FCM, but they just ignore it. :(

[Mariana]

Here you go...

http://www.mascotanet.com/perros/razas/raza_qna/poodle/poodle_peluquero.htm

The web site is down, but their phones and address are correct.

Tels.53064594 Criadero.

55649927 Estética

Medellín 205-A, Esquina Coahuila.

Col. Roma.

Have you checked with FCM if this girl has been bred, sold or shown? You can call them, give them her tatoo number, or chip number, and they will tell you. If you give me her information I can call so you don´t make a long distance call.

[Alegros]

Here you go...

http://www.mascotanet.com/perros/razas/raza_qna/poodle/poodle_peluquero.htm

The web site is down, but their phones and address are correct.

Tels.53064594 Criadero.

55649927 Estética

Medellín 205-A, Esquina Coahuila.

Col. Roma.

Have you checked with FCM if this girl has been bred, sold or shown? You can call them, give them her tatoo number, or chip number, and they will tell you. If you give me her information I can call so you don´t make a long distance call.

Thanks for info, but when I call, he hangs up.
I did not try to call to FCM because I do not speak Spanish. My lawyer wrote letter them, but they ignored it.
I would be grateful if you could get info about my girl. I will write you her chip number private.

Thanks again!

[Sapphire-Light]

If you have a contrac wit him, you should try to contatc the "proculadoria del consumidor" (profeco) http://www.profeco.gob.mx/

Here you can report a abuse servises as a consumer.

They have servises for people living in other countries that makes deals wit someone in mexico.

This is from the web site

Attention to foreign residents

Profeco is part of the administrative branch of the federal government of Mexico. Seeks to strengthen the citizen's power and enforces the law to achieve equity on consumption relations.
The Department of Conciliation Services to Foreign Residents (Departamento de Conciliacion a Residentes en el Extranjero C.A.R.E.) provides assistance towards solving controversies arisen between foreign or Mexican citizens living abroad that acquire any product or service from a legally established Mexican supplier and are not satisfied with it.

C.A.R.E. assists the parties within free of charge mediation/conciliation procedures, based upon the terms of the contract that consumer supplies.

To start the conciliation/mediation procedure C.A.R.E. must analyze the documentation submitted by the consumer related to the following information:

1. Complaint letter stating the following:
Consumer: name, mailing address, telephone number and e-mail.
Supplier: name and address as stated on the receipt or contract.
Brief description of the complaint, including the date of purchase, cost of the goods or service, and claimed amounts.

2. Completed complaint form
3. Copy of ID (Passport or Driver's License)
4. Copy of contract, invoice payment, bills, credit slips or receipts, as evidence of payment.
5. Copy of additional documents available to support the complaint.

The above information must be e-mailed to: extranjeros@profeco.gob.mx
Or sent by regular mail to:

Procuraduría Federal del Consumidor,
Dirección General de Quejas y Conciliación,
Av. Jose Vasconcélos no. 208, 6º. Piso,
Col. Condesa. Del. Cuauhtémoc,
C.P. 06140, México, D.F.

It is important to stress that all personal and confidential information colleted by Profeco, C.A.R.E., will be considered as non disclosed and protected by our federal laws.
For further information, do not hesitate to contact us at: (+52) 55 5211-1723 or (+52) 55 5625-6633, or write to: extranjeros@profeco.gob.mx

The following brochures are meant to be informative:
About Profeco
Take your time when buying a timeshare
Procedure (english version)


For seeing this, in the main page click the link that says "atencion al extranjero" under the supermarket cart

And then scroll the page in the middle is the english info.

[Alegros]

Sapphire-Light, thank you very much. I will write them; hope they can help me.

[Mariana]

Alegros, I´ve sent you a pm

[Sapphire-Light]

I hope you can have your dog back ;)

Who know what happened to her :(

[Alegros]

I hope you can have your dog back ;)

Who know what happened to her :(

I wrote to the organization which you gave me. They answered that they cannot process this case because it is older then 1 year. :(

[Sapphire-Light]

I wrote to the organization which you gave me. They answered that they cannot process this case because it is older then 1 year. :(

Wow that's bad >-<