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shadowfacedanes
03-25-2007, 02:01 AM
As most everyone knows, Hannah bloated and torsioned Tuesday evening. Here's what happened, and what we did....

Tuesday started out like any other day. Normal routine, nothing out of the ordinary occured. I walked Hannah, fed her two cups of food with her medicine, filled her kong and her peanut butter bone, and headed to work.

When we got home from work, I noticed two small discolored spots on the floor, apparently from where she had vomited. Hannah vomits from time to time, but it was no extra cause for alarm...yet. I did notice that when we get home, Hannah always vocalizes her happiness to see us. Tuesday, there was no vocalization - but she was still excited to see us.

I grabbed her leash and off we went. She went pee and poop as usual - poop was normal. She was more subdued on her leash than usual, but I just thought it was because her training was really paying off (HA!). We walked down to the river and instead of playing (RED FLAG!) she tried to drink out of it. Being strange water, I didn't want her drinking it, so we headed back up the bank and back to the apartment. When we got in, she went straight to her water dish and started to drink frantically. I called her away from her dish after a bit because I didn't want her gulping too much. When she walked away from the dish, she came to me and she was just looking at me. I asked her what was wrong and offered her a cookie. She took it from my hand and then dropped it on the floor. I told Jeff to come here, and offered her another one. She dropped it too. We both looked at each other and were thinking "What's wrong with her?" Refusing food is another RED FLAG for her.

She then started really trying to vomit...but nothing was coming up. I grabbed a few gas-x out of the first aid kit and pilled her. She threw two of them back, and continued trying to vomit. That's when I grabbed the straight liquid simethicone and tried to poor it down her throat. Her abdomen started to swell, and was hard. She was drooling profusely. I told Jeff to grab his stuff, she's bloating....let's GO.

It was quite literally the longest 10 minute drive of my life. Within those ten minutes, she became pale, shocky and unable to stand without my support.

I can't help but think.....What if we had not come straight home? What if she would have done it an hour earlier? What if, ya know?

For everyone who is not familiar with the signs and symptoms of bloat - LEARN THEM NOW! Do not wait until you experience it. TIME IS CRITICAL. If you even THINK it's bloat, GO - I would have loved to have paid the $88 visit fee only to find out she had gas....$88 is a drop in the bucket to her bill now, but had we waited to see if it was just an upset stomach, our baby could be dead right now.

Signs of bloat (Notice the ones highlighted in red are signs Hannah exhibited - she was a textbook case fitting every sign and symptom. I could not tell gum color as she has dark gums, but the insides of her ears became white once she entered phase three):

PHASE1
SYMPTOMS:
1. Pacing, restlessness, panting and salivating.
2. Unproductive attempts to vomit (every 10-20 minutes).
3. Abdomen exhibits fullness and beginning to enlarge.

ACTIONS:
Call Veterinarian to advise of bloat case enroute. Transport dog to Veterinarian immediately.

PHASE 2
SYMPTOMS:
1. Very restless, whining, panting continuously, heavy salivating.
2. Unproductive attempts to vomit (every 2-3 minutes).
3. Dark red gums.
4. High heart rate (80 to 100 BPM).
5. Abdomen is enlarged and tight, emits hollow sound when thumped.

ACTIONS:
Apply first aid if Veterinarian care is more than 10 minutes away.
Then, transport dog to Veterinarian immediately.

PHASE 3
SYMPTOMS:
1. Gums are white or blue (Could not tell on Hannah-dark gums)
2. Dog unable to stand or has a spread-legged, shaky stance.
3. Abdomen is very enlarged.
4. Extremely high heart rate (100 BPM or greater)and weak pulse.

ACTIONS:
Death is imminent! Apply first aid immediately. Transport dog to Veterinarian IMMEDIATELY (even while applying first aid if possible).

Hannah went from phase one to phase three in the span of 15-20 minutes.

I cannot stress again how CRITICAL time is.

To learn first aid for bloat, please visit: http://www.dachshund.org/bloat_instructions.html

Print a list of symptoms out and post it on your refrigerator. Familiarize everyone in your household with the symptoms. Make sure you have worked out financial considerations BEFORE HAND. If possible, set aside a credit card JUST for pet emergencies. The vet would not begin treatment on Hannah until we paid a $1,000 deposit. Also, make sure you have discussed the treatment in the event of this emergency with your regular vet as well as your local emergency clinic PRIOR to it happening. Some vets will not treat a dog with GDV. They will elect to euthanize. Time is of the essence. Don't wait until it happens to take care of these things.

Here are some wonderful links I've accumulated over time:

Bloat Articles:
http://www.globalspan.net/bloat.htm
http://www.irishwolfhounds.org/GDV.htm#first
http://www.greatdanerescueinc.com/bloat.html
http://www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/berner1/bloat.htm
http://www.jersey.net/%7Emountaindog/berner1/bloat2.htm
http://www.eclipse.net/~bobaloo/bloat.htm

Tubing A Bloat Dog:
http://www.twinoaksbh.com/gdvbloat.html

Gastropexy (Stomach tacking)
http://members.fortunecity.com/houndfancy/procon.html


Symptoms of Bloat (from Danes Online)
20 Signs that your dog may be in trouble from bloat or torsion:

(1) distended abdomen
(2) rigid (hard) abdomen
(3) painful when touched in the abdomen
(4) vomiting foamy or liquid material
(5) unproductive attempts at vomiting or retching
(6) arched back
(7) praying position (down in front, rear standing)
(8) laying down on belly - crouched position
(9) curling up in a ball
(10) laying or sitting in an unusual location
(11) seeking a hiding place
(12) looking at their side
(13) frequent swallowing (aerophagia)
(14) hypersalivation (drooling heavily)
(15) drinking excessively
(16) lack of appetite
(17) quiet, any abnormal behavior
(18) lethargy, weakness
(19) panting, breathing rapidly or heavily
(20) red gums, or white gums (not normal pink color)

You know your own dog the best and you know when things aren't quite right.

If you even SUSPECT bloat...GO.

The Cost Of Bloat:

Thought I'd share what Hannah's surgery has costed so far so everyone who has not gone through this before can know what to expect should it happen to them. Keep in mind, Hannah was caught early, so the damage was not as extensive. All things considering, I think we've escaped so far with a pretty decent bill. As some know, bloat and complications can easily rack up $5,000 in bills.

Emergency Room Exam $88
Butorphanol Injection $32
Radiograph $83.50
2 IV Cath $80
First liter of IV Fluids $33
Stat 8 PCV/TS $50
ACT (Stat) $38
Propofol, ISO Supplement $74
Operating Room Fee $60
Gastric Decompression $80
Surgical procedure $500
Suture Materials, 2 packs $27
Saline Flush $25
Surgery Suction materials $29
Suction bulb syringe $2
4 additional liters IV fluids $100
Lidocaine $5
Famotidine $23.20
Fentanyl CRI $60
Lidocain additive for CRI $7
Cefazoline, 2 $68
Metacam $31.73
2 Metaclopramide $21.70
Nursing Care week night, level 4 $55.75
Hospitilalization, week night $59.50

For a total of $1,633.38

This is just the bill from the E-clinic. Here are the charges for the next two days of treatment at our regular vets.

Office Visit - follow up $29.00
Hospitalization level 2 $38.80
IV Infusion pump per day $6.20
2 Injection - Cimetidine $33.00
2 Injection - Torbugesic $33.00
Vetscan and Electrolytes $74.00
1 Injection- Ampicillin $16.50
1 Fluids, KCI added $6.00
4 cans prescription EN $6.00
6 Tramadol tablets $9.00
Fluids, IV $23.00
Hospitalization, Level 2 $38.80 ($10.00 discounted)
IV Infusion pump $6.20
Fluids, KCI added $6.00

Total of $315.50

Medications from Walgreens $16.00

Total Cost for this bloat episode so far: $1,964.88

(Having my baby home safe and sound: Priceless)

jess2416
03-25-2007, 02:04 AM
Thanks for posting this.....!!

Buddy'sParents
03-25-2007, 02:11 AM
Keri, I am beyond thrilled that Hannah is doing well. Thank you so much for posting this, I vote it be stickied.

Renee750il
03-25-2007, 02:19 AM
I stuck it and will add that the articles on bloat (as well as many others) at Linda Arndt's site, www.greatdanelady.com , have been a great source of info to me.

Spiritus
03-25-2007, 02:31 AM
You are VERY lucky you were home... thank God she's okay!

I wan't home when my dog torsioned..... what I wouldn't give for that $2,000.00 vet bill.....

poodlesmom
03-25-2007, 10:26 AM
Excellent post! One word of caution I would like to add though is that sometimes a dog will not show any of the traditional signs of bloat. Almost 5 yrs ago when I got up in the morning Farley just wasn't acting like himself, nothing I could put my finger on. He was just extremely "velcro" and was laying in spots that weren't typical for him and he wasn't his usual energetic self. The vet didn't have any openings until 6 PM. By 11 AM there was no change in how he was doing but I was increasingly getting concerned and called the vet and said I am bringing him in now. The gal who answered the phone said OK but it would be quite some time before they'd be able to squeeze him in to see the vet. When we got there they had a room waiting for us because when she told the vet I had called he said I knew my dogs and if I was that concerned he'd see Farley immediately. He did a complete check up on him and other than his lack of energy absolutely nothing showed up. After some more discussion to put my mind at ease he took him in the back for some stomach xrays. Within 10 minutes he was back to say Farley was being prepped for emergency surgery. He had progressed so far that they were unable to save his spleen but they were able to save his life. I am so thankful I trusted my instincts and my vet trusted them as well.

What it boils down to is you know your dog and you know when something isn't right even when it may not fit any textbook description. Follow your instincts - it may save your dog's life.

bubbatd
03-25-2007, 11:03 AM
Great important post . !

Zoom
03-25-2007, 11:36 AM
Another thing I'm going to print out to post at work. This is something that is critical for us to know the early signs of, as we have many giant breeds board with us.

RedHotDobe
03-25-2007, 12:09 PM
Very informative, and I'm glad your girl is okay. I've been lucky that both times Rumor has gone in for possible bloat, it wasn't. The first time she swelled up like a balloon and refused food, but then vomited after reaching the vet. Second time she blew up, was drinking large amounts of water, but was lethargic, so I couldn't place what was wrong. That time it was just an allergic reaction to something she encountered while out on a walk.

Both times I've been extremely lucky, but I can't imagine what you've been through the past week. It would be an awful experience, and one that I would love to avoid.

Momof2Pups
03-25-2007, 12:24 PM
Thanks so much for posting this info.
I am so glad Hannah is okay.

nica
03-30-2007, 04:28 AM
Yes, cannot take bloat too lightly. my brother's dogs were diagnosed with cancer when they bloated suddenly....they both passed on at young age. Very sad....

Cheza
03-30-2007, 05:12 PM
Great post, thank you for making this, and I'm so glad she's ok.

showpug
03-30-2007, 06:27 PM
Wonderful post! I just wanted to add that ANY dog breed can bloat! Just had Alice to the ER about two weeks ago for bloat and she's a PUG! Luckily there was no torsion and no shock and we got it under control with Gas-x. I also lost an Aussie x Rottie cross to bloat with torsion.

So with that said, all dog owners beware!!!

killerz298
04-11-2007, 06:00 PM
I have read about the issue and am very concerned about my lab. He is 7 months old and eats like a BEAST. I don't know why he eats like this, it is just his nature. He isn't protective of his food like we are going to take it away, he lets me put my hands on him and the bowl while he eats, he just is very excited about all things food.

He has a raised bowl and I feed him twice a day 1 cup per serving. I only pour 1/3 of a cup into his bowl at a time to pace his eating. He doesn't tend to drink very much after eating. Is there anything else I can do to help prevent this from happening to him.

shadowfacedanes
04-11-2007, 09:54 PM
I have read about the issue and am very concerned about my lab. He is 7 months old and eats like a BEAST. I don't know why he eats like this, it is just his nature. He isn't protective of his food like we are going to take it away, he lets me put my hands on him and the bowl while he eats, he just is very excited about all things food.

He has a raised bowl and I feed him twice a day 1 cup per serving. I only pour 1/3 of a cup into his bowl at a time to pace his eating. He doesn't tend to drink very much after eating. Is there anything else I can do to help prevent this from happening to him.

Incidentally, Hannah eats (or did eat) from a raised feeder and she still bloated.

You could try one of the brakefast bowls: http://www.brake-fast.net/

But sadly, until they know for sure what causes this, all you can do is be extremely vigilant, and even then, such as in Hannah's case, it can happen.

Do make sure he does not exercise at least one hour before and one hour after he eats. Also limit the amount of water he takes in around feeding time (which you are doing). After strenuous exercise, don't allow him to gulp in large quantities of water at once.

Try to feed him in a "stress free" zone - a quiet low traffic area where he can eat. Sometimes this will help them slow down a bit.

I'll try to elaborate a bit more on this post later. I'm running on fumes right now. :p

Spiritus
04-11-2007, 10:38 PM
This article on bloat says NOT to feed with an elevated bowl...

http://globalspan.net/bloat.htm

And one big thing is to not allow strenuous exercise after eating. My dogs aren't allowed to run and play for at least an hour after breakfast, and their evening meal is at bedtime.

nica
04-12-2007, 03:50 AM
Go natural! Feed home cooked foods, less chance of bloating.
Here's a easy recipe for homecooked meals (http://www.dogcarezone.com/blog/preparing-your-home-cooked-meals-for-your-dog-quick-easy-guide-for-beginners/).

Saintgirl
04-12-2007, 05:31 AM
The raised bowl issue is one that has been debated lots, however the recent purdue study indicates a correlation between raised feeders and bloating. I choose NOT to use a raised feeder.

I have read about the issue and am very concerned about my lab. He is 7 months old and eats like a BEAST. I don't know why he eats like this, it is just his nature. He isn't protective of his food like we are going to take it away, he lets me put my hands on him and the bowl while he eats, he just is very excited about all things food.

He has a raised bowl and I feed him twice a day 1 cup per serving. I only pour 1/3 of a cup into his bowl at a time to pace his eating. He doesn't tend to drink very much after eating. Is there anything else I can do to help prevent this from happening to him.

An easy way to slow your dog from gulping his food is to take a large rock, one bigger than your fist so there is NO chance of a dog thinking that they could swallow it, clean it, and then put it in your dogs dish. Your dog will have to eat around the rock which will make him slow down. Good luck with this!

killerz298
04-12-2007, 06:45 AM
So I guess it is a choice between neck and back strain (for a larger breed using a bowl on the floor) vs. higher risk of getting bloat with a rasied feeder?

Saintgirl
04-12-2007, 11:19 AM
I personally don't believe that they suffer from neck strain, if this were a problem then evolution would have done something about this. Wolves and coyotes albeit not dogs, have the same body shape and they eat just fine. My Saint is much, much larger than a lab and he doesn't strain his neck and back when he eats, so I highly doubt your lab would. It is no more difficult for a large dog to eat than it is a small dog, they have proportionate body parts, so a Saint eating from the ground bends and moves the exact same way a chihuahua would. I think the difference is that some people think that it looks more comfortable for their dog to eat from a raised feeder, and maybe it is. Personally, floor feeding works best for us and it is what makes me the most comfortable regarding bloat.

Spiritus
04-12-2007, 11:35 AM
I agree with Saintgirl. I don't believe eating from floor level causes neck and back strain. Dogs were created to eat this way and if it truly was a problem, they would have evolved to have necks like horses. And, when it comes down to it, even if there was neck and back strain, what's worse, a sore neck or death from bloat. The threat of bloat is just too much of a threat. It almost always means death.... :(

carlar
04-12-2007, 11:52 AM
I know almost nothing about this, never really heard of it before. Is it just large dogs that get it? What causes it.

killerz298
04-16-2007, 07:27 AM
I put a large rock in his bown and that has seemed to slow him down greatly. I am going to look into the issues about the raised feeder and maybe I will lower it to the medium setting instead of high as a compromise.

SummerRiot
04-16-2007, 08:52 AM
Such a fabulous post!! Thankyou!

midnightbirdgirl
04-21-2007, 07:56 PM
Boy, this gives us all cause for pause. I am glad you baby is doing well. I have vet insurance so I never second guess.
This just reassured me I am doing the right think by having it.
MBG

snorzzz
05-28-2007, 04:12 PM
My Belle, because of bad hips and old age, has begun eating while laying down. Is it dangerous for a dog to lay down and eat? She lays on her stomach, with the food bowl between her front legs.

Now I am concerned about this. :(

shadowfacedanes
06-25-2007, 08:27 PM
I know almost nothing about this, never really heard of it before. Is it just large dogs that get it? What causes it.

Wow, sorry I haven't replied to these. (Blush)

Carlar, no it's not just large dogs that bloat. Primarly deep chested, larger breeds such as Great Danes, Irish Setters, Wolfhounds, Shepherds, etc are at the highest risk, but smaller dogs such as pugs, doxies, and beagles have been known to bloat as well.

The cause is still unknown. Some signs point to genetics, but no one knows for sure.

My Belle, because of bad hips and old age, has begun eating while laying down. Is it dangerous for a dog to lay down and eat? She lays on her stomach, with the food bowl between her front legs.

Now I am concerned about this. :(

Snorzzz, I wouldn't be too concerned. Hannah now eats laying down on occasion. Honestly, in my experience, it's not the heighth that they eat from that is a contributing factor. Hannah bloated nearly 10 hours after her meal, so I don't really feel that how she ate played too much a part in her bloating. Gulping, and eating while stressed, however are big risk factors in my opinion.

K9Obedience.com
12-21-2007, 01:09 PM
I have written an article about Bloat should anyone want to know more about this life threatening condition.
http://www.k9obedience.co.uk/dogtrainingforum/viewtopic.php?t=88

My daughters GSD developed Bloat whilst in boarding kennels, not from exercising too soon after a meal but simply from drinking too much water as the day was very warm. This combined with the stress of being in kennels caused him to bloat. I raced to the vets and arrived as the dog was being lifted into the surgery. I cannot describe just how awful it was to see my daughters great big GSD in such pain and distress. His mouth and muzzle was covered with frothy white mucus, his sides were heaving and his heart was racing. As the dog collapsed on the floor he was rushed into emergency surgery. He had full gastric torsion, in other words his stomach had totally twisted cutting off the blood supply to various organs. The first thing the vet had to do was stabilise the dog by putting him on a drip to get vital fluids into him. Then he was cut open, his stomach was emptied and sewn onto the abdomen to prevent it twisting again. His spleen had to be removed. We were told that he did not have much chance of surviving as at 12 years old there was a real danger of him suffering heart failure.

Thankfully his heart wasd strong and he is now fit and well. Were it not for the quick thinking of the kennel maid the old dog would not be with us now. If anyone suspects that their dog may be bloating seek veterinary advice immediately as every second counts if the the animal is to be saved.

dog lover

Jessiep
01-07-2008, 09:20 PM
Thanks for the very important information.

I work at a doggie daycare/kennel and we require that ALL dogs are rested for 1.5 hours after a meal to prevent bloat and that no dogs are fed an hour before visiting us.

The studies I have read have all showed that raised feeders don't make a difference.

I guess some dogs are just pre-disposed to it, but there are certainly ways to reduce the risk.

shadowfacedanes
02-07-2008, 07:02 PM
This article on bloat says NOT to feed with an elevated bowl...

http://globalspan.net/bloat.htm



I agree with Saintgirl. I don't believe eating from floor level causes neck and back strain. Dogs were created to eat this way and if it truly was a problem, they would have evolved to have necks like horses. And, when it comes down to it, even if there was neck and back strain, what's worse, a sore neck or death from bloat. The threat of bloat is just too much of a threat. It almost always means death.... :(

My opinion of the purdue bloat study (where the insinuation that raised feeders contribute to bloat originated) is the same as Linda Arndt's...

About Elevated Dishes

Anyone that has owned these dogs, knows that every single book written about Great Dane or giants, regardless of how old the book is, states we need to elevate the dishes. That means, the majority of giant breeds in this country are fed from elevated dishes and in fact, it was Vet schools such as Purdue that taught us to elevate the dishes years ago. Even without that information from breeders, books or veterinarians, it is obvious to an owner, the dogs are more comfortable with their dishes elevated so they do not have to strain to eat. This information about elevated dishes is taught by breeders to buyers, by vets to clients, by books on the breed to the new puppy buyer who is trying to educate themselves.

The majority of dogs involved in this study, were owned by Great Dane breeders or dogs purchased from Dane breeders, and that is where the owners received the information about the bloat study. With that information in mind, it is logical that the majority, if not ALL of the dogs that came in to Dr. Glickman's survey, have been fed with an elevated dish. This is simply how he came to his "opinion" that elevated dishes cause bloat. Also you need to know most of the dogs that were viewed in this study were seen-chest measured, while they were at a Great Dane Specialty show or at the Great Dane week long National Specialty which means all the dogs tested were actually owned by professional breeders. Virtually 99% all the dogs measured would have been raised with elevated dishes, hence the high numbers in the study.


(in my opinion, that is the same logic as if you see a pregnant woman with pierced ears, that means every woman with pierced ears is pregnant ).

There is, as of now, only correlative speculation, not causative as to what causes bloat. I know there is some research being done at the present to try to identify a genetic marker. One can only hope this is successful!

mrose_s
02-07-2008, 07:13 PM
Thanks for posting this. I get pretty paranoid about Sophie bloating, she's fed on top of a milk crate now,.

Saintgirl
02-07-2008, 07:47 PM
I have to disagree with the majority of the dogs involved in the purdue study being Danes. The original study looked at 1920 different dogs of which only 216 were great Danes. The number one breed at 298 was Newfoundlands and then 264 Irish Setters. Interestingly enough the #2 breed behind Danes to suffer from bloat in the purdue study were Akitas followed by Bloodhounds and then Weimaraners. Although large breeds and not giants Akitas and Weimaraners are not noted breeds for needing raised feeders for the 'comfort factor'.

Although I am not familiar with Danes and the percentages of owners who choose to use raised feeders, I do not think that the purdue study soley reached its conclusions based on Danes and raised feeders when other smaller breeds rated on the top of the scale as breeds at risk who were also extensively studied. Although I could be wrong, and the second study could have looked almost exclusively at Danes and their feeding habits to determine that there was indeed a correlation.

As an owner of a giant breed, a 190lb 34" at the shoulder Saint Bernard, I do not think he looks any more uncomfortable than my beagle when they are eating. Physiologically he does not exert any more effort bending his neck to the floor than my beagle does. Although my beagle is closer to the floor, his neck is proportionate to the rest of his body just as my Saints is. If I broke their body sizes down to the same size on a scale they are both bending the same distance proportionate to their own bodies. Albeit a Dane does have a longer neck than a Saint.

I think it is important to let owners concerned about bloat and gastric torsion aware that there is a very high correlation between bloating and elevated food dishes. In the end owners should choose what they think is best for their dogs and what they are comfortable with. It is also important to point out that it is only a correlation and the reasons behind it are unknown. I like you believe there is a genetic factor and am mostley concerned about stress and the correlation between that and bloating.

I would be very interested in seeing a study based soley on 50% of the dogs studied using raised dishes. With the last purdue study released concluding on such a high correlation I am sure that we will see more tests and results on these findings.

In the end, bloat is terrifying. I am so sorry that you had to go through it.

yoko
06-22-2008, 09:39 PM
i just wanted to show this as well just in case it could be of any help because yoshi didn't show each phase. red is what yoshi showed

PHASE1
SYMPTOMS:
1. Pacing, restlessness, panting and salivating.
2. Unproductive attempts to vomit (every 10-20 minutes).
3. Abdomen exhibits fullness and beginning to enlarge.

ACTIONS:
Call Veterinarian to advise of bloat case enroute. Transport dog to Veterinarian immediately.

PHASE 2
SYMPTOMS:
1. Very restless, whining, panting continuously, heavy salivating.
2. Unproductive attempts to vomit (every 2-3 minutes).
3. Dark red gums.
4. High heart rate (80 to 100 BPM).
5. Abdomen is enlarged and tight, emits hollow sound when thumped.

ACTIONS:
Apply first aid if Veterinarian care is more than 10 minutes away.
Then, transport dog to Veterinarian immediately.

PHASE 3
SYMPTOMS:
1. Gums are white or blue (Could not tell on Hannah-dark gums)
2. Dog unable to stand or has a spread-legged, shaky stance.
3. Abdomen is very enlarged.
4. Extremely high heart rate (100 BPM or greater)and weak pulse.

bubbatd
06-22-2008, 09:47 PM
Please keep us posted !!!

K9Obedience.com
07-26-2008, 11:18 AM
Our 10 year old GSD has just suffered with bloat whilst in kennels. It was the most traumatic experience ever and thanks only to the sharp eyes of a 14 year old kennel maid, our dog was saved by emergency surgery. He isn't himself though afterwards and i don't think he will ever be the same dog again, but he is still with us and still loves life so thats the main thing.

Bloat happens SO fast and without someone who can spot the signs, it can so easily kill a dog in no time at all. We are counting our lucky stars.

Kayota
08-21-2008, 01:43 AM
Oh God... I hope to God Padfoot never gets bloat, because guess what...? my mom would not pay the bill. She would not find an E-Vet if it were the middle of the night. She would not believe me even if I screamed at her that it was bloat.

youhavenoidea
08-21-2008, 02:06 AM
I didn't read this whole thread, but being as I own the breed currently listed as #3 on the list of breeds who most commonly bloat, I have made it my business to inform myself as much as possible.

Although not the be all and end all factor that will likely cause or prevent bloating, I just wanted to mention, that although at one time, it was thought that elevated feeding could PREVENT bloating, it is now NOT recommended for bloat-prone breeds.

Just an FYI.

K9Obedience.com
10-20-2008, 11:41 AM
Totally TRUE! Yes, we are in the process of updating our breed profile on large and bloat-prone breeds to reflect this new research which suggests not only that elevated water and food bowls doesn't help prevent bloat, but that it CAN make it MORE LIKELY. I am not sure of the reason, but i had a communication from a woman involved in the research herself, and she explained how it is a myth, and i can well believe it too, how unnatural is a raised food bowl anyway? Dogs eat from the floor, and generally, large breeds tend to eat slower due to the increased stress on their internal passages from eating further away from the food (i.e. on the floor). By raising the bowls, it is suggested that MORE food can be ingested and at a faster rate, which as we all know is a sure cause of bloat.

borzoimom
10-20-2008, 12:19 PM
I lost a shepherd to bloat years ago. While we took her right into the vet, the vet that saw her diagnosed it as " gastic upset" medicated her and said to take her home. Being slightly sedated, she died in her sleep as not having the operation. It was horrid.. ( needless to say I never used that vet again..)

K9Obedience.com
10-23-2008, 06:09 AM
Tragic, so sorry for you.