American Bull Dogs

[tinies12]

Okay what is a American Bull Dog supposed to look like? Are they all white or can they be brown white and black? Are they related to the Pit Bull????

[showpug]

This should help:

http://www.american-bulldog.com/aba_standard.htm

Taken from the standard:
Color: All white, pied, or up to 90% color [brindle or red patches, (red is defined as any shade of tan, brown or red)], with a portion of the white on the head.

[tinies12]

Wow; That is impressive! Thank you so much for the assistance. My husband for some reason has decided that he wants this breed of dog. I keep telling him we have Sasha!!!! But that's not good enough he wants a muscle dog!

Now we know I will be the one caring for the dog so here goes another question?? Since Sasha is a female do we get another female or do we get a male? If we get a male what is to be expected???

I wish the Old man would just be happy with Sasha!!!!!!!!!!! I am !:cool: In his words; You have a dog I should be able to have one too! How childish but again that's a man for you!

[tinies12]

Sorry; But yet another question?? Would we be better off to buy one from a rescue or purchase a puppy? Since Sasha is 4 months old should we wait till she is older? I just do not think it is fair to raise two pups at one time. Sasha is great but I do not know what to expect having two young dogs at the same time.:yikes: :confused:

[showpug]

What type of dog is Sasha?

[tinies12]

Sasha is a CKC registered Springer Spaniel. Cute and adorable! Lots of work but my bestest friend ever:cool:

[showpug]

Are you guys planning to spay her?

Generally, I think that the best combination is a neutered male and spayed female. It would be important that you spay Sasha before bringing a male home though.

[tinies12]

Most definetly; I do not wish to be a grandma at any time! Let it be two legged kids or four legged kids. I just love my little angle to much to let her go through anything like that.

She will be spayed at 6 months right on the nose no worries there what so ever. So if I find a bull dog breeder that is having a litter in a few months do I place a deposit on the pup then or wait till I see them?

[Mach1girl]

Shelter dogs are always best, as you are rescuing instead of feeding money to people that breed for the sole purpose. But, I wont go there because you are genuine in asking for help and information and probably unaware of the alot of what is out there regarding the breed.

If however you do buy from a breeder, make sure you see PROOF of the parents health cert and OFA. This breed can have and pass on several medical problems and the last thing you want to end up with is a puppy that you fall in love with developing hip dysplasia or a brain tumor.

A very touchy breed, be careful.Dont get me wrong, wonderful breed, but you HAVE GOT to be prepared.

[showpug]

Here is an adorable rescue on Petfinder: http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7937395

[Amstaffer]

ShowPug and Mach1girl have given excellent advice.

>You should definitely get a male to go with your female
>Neutering is a must
>Rescue is a good idea but I would recommend a puppy younger than you present dog. I would also recommend that you wait a little while so you don't have two puppies at the same time. When your female gets to be about 9 months or more, it would be a good time to start looking. Hopefully that will give your girl the chance to establish dominance.
>If you do go to a breeder....do your home work on all the health scanning (Hips, Elbows, Eyes, Deafness...etc)
>Stay away from PET STORES!!
>Also...I am bias here but I would have your husband check out American Staffordshire Terriers or Staffordshire Bull Terriers. They both have the wonderful personalities (and Muscles) that the AB has but they are smaller and maybe easier to handle.
>Now if you get a Amer. Bulldog or one of the breeds I mentioned be aware that these breeds have a tendency to be dog aggressive. It shouldn't be a problem for your dog because they will bond tightly to your dog as part of the family especially if they are both fixed and one is a male and one is a female. But you (or husband) will really have to know what he is doing when he is taking your bully around other dogs once you male is over 2 years old.

That said Sal and Athena (both American Staffordshire terriers) are great with other dogs but I have spent LOTS of time socializing my dogs.

[tinies12]

Now that dog is SWEET!:cool: I will show the pic to the OLD MAN :lol-sign: As that is what he is.:yikes: Actually and I am making a funny Hank is better looking than my hubby of 27 years. I may just take Hank in and kick the hubby to the curb! Lol! No just kidding!

I think he'd be a good asset to the family and due to the fact he's already fixed I won't have any worries. I know I ask a lot of questions??? But will a rescue ship a dog to Canada? I guess I should contact them!

[planet molosser]

I have them at our Molosser shows allot and I show them UKC.
They are mainly WHITE but I have seen a dark tan one not brown or liver more tan.
They do have wide range of breed type.
They are very strong dogs competiing in top pulls in ukc.

Sadly TONS in Rescue and they are very good at rehoming to new homes.

[showpug]

Now that dog is SWEET!:cool: I will show the pic to the OLD MAN :lol-sign: As that is what he is.:yikes: Actually and I am making a funny Hank is better looking than my hubby of 27 years. I may just take Hank in and kick the hubby to the curb! Lol! No just kidding!

I think he'd be a good asset to the family and due to the fact he's already fixed I won't have any worries. I know I ask a lot of questions??? But will a rescue ship a dog to Canada? I guess I should contact them!

Rescues generally wont ship and the usually require you to pick the dog up. I used that dog as an example, but there are many, many more on www.petfinder.com! I just though he looked tough and I know your hubby likes that ;)

I also want to add that regardless of rescue or puppy...do your research on this breed and tons of it!!

[tinies12]

Wow I am so pleased that I found this forum. I have learned tones and that's wonderful. Now I know my husband would love a Stafford Shire or Pitt although it is banned in my area. What a shame too. A friend has one and she's just lovely.

Now I did contact a breeder and they said they have the Johnson bloodline. I will state I am getting confused with the differant type out there.

[Amstaffer]

Wow I am so pleased that I found this forum. I have learned tones and that's wonderful. Now I know my husband would love a Stafford Shire or Pitt although it is banned in my area. What a shame too. A friend has one and she's just lovely.

Now I did contact a breeder and they said they have the Johnson bloodline. I will state I am getting confused with the differant type out there.

Make sure the people who enforce those bogus Breed Specific Laws in your area, know the difference between a Pit Bull and and a American Bull Dog. In some places people think they are the same thing :(

[Mach1girl]

And if they use excuses such as "almond eyes" to compare the bsl, you better not get any bull dog breed!

If it against the law, dont do it, and like he said, check on how local suthorities dtermine what breed you have. Many consider both the same.
Johnson is a good bloodline, still check OFA and health exams.

Too bad pits are banned, they are an easier breed IMO.

[tinies12]

Make sure the people who enforce those bogus Breed Specific Laws in your area, know the difference between a Pit Bull and and a American Bull Dog. In some places people think they are the same thing :(

No ****!!!:yikes: I know Jerry has had a lot of problems with the township regarding her pit. She's complied with the rules left right and center but they keep on picking on her.

I am going to check into it forsure now and get what I need prior to purchasing the pup. I would hate for some stupid idiot cause issues just because they think they can!

[planet molosser]

I have testified in 2 cases on Ontario when the American Bulldogs were wrongly ID'd as pits.

We won one cases cause we had the back of of the abra but lost the other one since the dog had no papers.

[Zoom]

Do a TON of reserach into this breed before you get one! They can be both dog and people aggressive, as well as very, very headstrong. Combine that with their muscles and you've got a potential problem on your hands.

[RedyreRottweilers]

Here would be my codicils:

DO NOT get an AB if you don't want to spend time training a dog. Lots of it.
DO NOT get an AB unless you have excellent secure fencing with locked gates.
DO NOT get an AB unless you buy from a responsible breeder who screens you diligently.
DO NOT get an AB unless and until you understand what drives these bully breeds.
DO NOT get an AB if you don't know what BSL is, and how it can affect you with this breed.
DO NOT get an AB unless you are totally committed to spending the time and resources that will be required to properly train and bring up one of these dogs.

ABs can be great dogs, if, like most breeds, they are properly bred, socialized, trained and confined. Good dogs are not born. They are made by careful socialization, training, management, and confinement. Did I mention TRAINING? :D

All breeds have pros and cons. Research carefully, get the true scoop on these dogs from people who are BREEDING THEM, and then make your decision based on that.

Good luck!

[tinies12]

I will be researching everything before I buy one. I am not going to get another pup unless I have what it takes to care for him. Thankyou all for assisting me in this area.

[Amstaffer]

I will be researching everything before I buy one. I am not going to get another pup unless I have what it takes to care for him. Thankyou all for assisting me in this area.

You have made a good start coming here. There are a lot of knowledgeable dog folks here.

[tinies12]

Yes I believe so; I have received very sound and exceptional advice.:cool:

[casablanca1]

Since it's your husband looking for a 'muscle breed,' he should be doing the research and the soul-searching to discover if he's ready for any dog, let alone one this big. I'm not trying to be mean, but it's very common for men to be attracted to 'macho' breeds - frequently the pit bulls and their kin, and also the size dogs like Great Danes and the 'wolf' dogs like Malamutes. I've seen the results of this attraction if the man isn't prepared for ownership or thinks it'll be like owning his childhood lab: my dog nearly had her throat ripped out by a female American Bulldog who'd already attacked and tried to kill 3 other dogs, the people down the street had a Mal who bit a neighbor's Cocker Spaniel in half, and I have neighbors with a Dane who's gotten loose and gone after a child. Any dog is a responsibility; the breeds your husband is interested in are a duty.

Again, not trying to be a wet blanket, but I'm a little concerned that the dog would be your husband's yet you're doing all the work so far :)

[tinies12]

Now you hit the nail on the head!!!!!:lol-sign: He's like a kid, stomping his foot wanting something and when he has if for awhile it's not good enough.

That is why I have asked these questions..... I truly feel that Sasha is more than enough for me at this time. So am I ready to get a big dog at this time No!!!!

What I will do is give him the info I have recieved I will stress too him that DOGS are a living breathing life and not a base ball that you can throw around. I am pretty sure I will stress my points and make them clear.

I know that if he decides to get the dog I will be taking care of him and if that occurs his papers will be placed in my name. That way I know if anything goes wrong he is and will be taken care of properly

[ravennr]

He's like a kid, stomping his foot wanting something and when he has if for awhile it's not good enough.

Tinies, my fiance wants an 'army' of Pomeranians when our future Chow Chow is older.

So I know how you feel, haha!
Though, at least mine doesn't want an army of Mastiffs! Pomeranians, at least, I can scoop up! LOL

[tinies12]

AAAHHH your adorable! Nope I don't want an army to scoop after either!:lol-sign:

[Miakoda]

No ****!!!:yikes: I know Jerry has had a lot of problems with the township regarding her pit. She's complied with the rules left right and center but they keep on picking on her.

I am going to check into it forsure now and get what I need prior to purchasing the pup. I would hate for some stupid idiot cause issues just because they think they can!

Tinies, American Bulldogs are usually included in "Pit Bull" bans. The vast majority of the general population thinks they are "pit bulls" as they share similar characteristics because the AB was in fact "constructed" using the American Pit Bull Terrier as a base breed.

The AB is a wonderful breed. But they were bred first & foremost as a working breed. Most have a very high drive & if not properly exercised, both physically & mentally, they can become very desctructive. They also have a more guardian-type temperament than your typical short-n-wide (english) Bulldogs do. Also, many ABs are dog aggressive. It's a "bully breed" trait & although not all are DA, it lies beneath the surface so to speak.

I will pm you with the name of someone who is very involved with ABs & point you in her direction.

[tinies12]

Thankyou I would like to get intouch with the breeders. We are selling our home and moving to a 25 acre farm. Since the actions of our neighbour this is the best for all concerned. We take ownership of the farm March 31 2007. So yeah we could work on locating the right breeder to secure we purchase the right pup.