Would I be a BYB??

[Dogplayaz]

I have 2 Purebred Labs, 1 Male and 1 Female, they have all their test performed (CERF,OFA etc.) i was thinking of breeding them since i have many interested in them. I checked the "Good" breeder checklist and i believe i qualify.

1) Knowledge--i have intense knowledge of the Lab, i read a book once.
2) Tests: they have all there test, not sure what some are for, but i got em.
3) Something about old dogs in the yard, i don't have any old dogs, just my two who are 2 years old, so i'm good there.
4) I only have 1 kind of breed i'd like to breed, the 2 i have.
5) Pet references- I figure i have to sell some first before i can get a reference, but they can talk to my vet, he'll tell you i'm an honest Gal.
6) Dogs would be let go at 8 weeks
7) I will participate in breed rescue, if i can't sell them, i'll give mine to them with papers, how's that for participation.
8) Temperment: They are loving and hyper, and wouldn't hurt a soul, so i know there good there.
9) The checklist said i should have a goal, my goal is to give other people the chance to love Labs and of course my other goal...the allmighty dollar.

I think that covers it for the checklist, so by all accounts i'm reputable. I would hate to be called a BYB because i am "bettering" the breed and the people that do decide they want one will be screened. Please be candid with your posts i want to be a good breeder here, but with all the info i posted how can i not be? Opinions are welcome. Thank you.

[showpug]

I just have to ask, are you serious? If so, by all means YES, you are the definition of a BYB!

A responsible breeder never breeds for money, they would never put any un-sold pups in a rescue organization and they breed dogs that are titled in conformation or field. How can you have CERF and OFA done and not know what they are for. :confused:

[RD]

I hope you're joking.

[showpug]

I hope you're joking.

I was thinking :spam: possibly??

[Cheetah]

and of course my other goal...the allmighty dollar.

^ This + lack of field or conformation titles = instant BYB status. >u.u<

[stevinski]

1) Knowledge--i have intense knowledge of the Lab, i read a book once.

this totally shows tht your joking

[Tankstar]

lol. If you are joking this is funny,

If not.Please go and get knowledge and spay yor dog, and probably yourself.

[noludoru]

I have 2 Purebred Labs, 1 Male and 1 Female, they have all their test performed (CERF,OFA etc.) i was thinking of breeding them since i have many interested in them. I checked the "Good" breeder checklist and i believe i qualify.

1) Knowledge--i have intense knowledge of the Lab, i read a book once.
Knowledge is good. But reading a book? That is not good enough. You must know the Labrador Retriever Standard, you must see many conformation shows, your dogs must have excellent conformation and temperament, and you need to have extensive knowledge of their lineage. Having them titled is in my opinion absolutely necessary.

2) Tests: they have all there test, not sure what some are for, but i got em.
If you're not sure what the tests are for, go back and do your research. What tests are required for the breed? What things were your dogs tested for? How did they fare? If your dogs scored anything less than excellent, I strongly advise you to not breed them, no matter how excellent their pedigree/titles/conformation/temperament; knowingly bringing pups into the world that will have major problems later in life is a crime to animals everywhere.
Labrador Standard: http://www.akc.org/breeds/labrador_retriever/index.cfm
What your dogs should be tested for: http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/clearances.html

3) Something about old dogs in the yard, i don't have any old dogs, just my two who are 2 years old, so i'm good there.

4) I only have 1 kind of breed i'd like to breed, the 2 i have.

5) Pet references- I figure i have to sell some first before i can get a reference, but they can talk to my vet, he'll tell you i'm an honest Gal.

6) Dogs would be let go at 8 weeks
Eight is too young. 10-12 is much better.

7) I will participate in breed rescue, if i can't sell them, i'll give mine to them with papers, how's that for participation.
That's terrible. Do you know that people who rescue do it out of the good of their hearts and pocketbooks? Giving puppies to a rescue with or without papers makes no difference because all the animals are neutered before placed in homes anyhow. You need to have homes lined up before you breed and contracts and deposits down.

8) Temperment: They are loving and hyper, and wouldn't hurt a soul, so i know there good there.

9) The checklist said i should have a goal, my goal is to give other people the chance to love Labs and of course my other goal...the allmighty dollar.
The only acceptable reason to breed (ever) is for the betterment of the breed. If two individuals are exemplary examples of the breed, then perhaps one may consider breeding them. As a goal, wanting others to enjoy labs isn't a reason to breed. There are thousands of unwanted labs and lab puppies in shelters and rescues, and yet more being abused in homes that are unwanted. If you want more people to be able to love labs, please direct your friends to a rescue or shelter where they can save a dog. Wanting to make money isn't a reason; especially not a reason to breed. It costs a lot to bring puppies into this world, and the only way you can actually make profits is to skimp on care or sell them at four-digit prices. Here is an example of COST: http://www.godivalabs.com/cost.html Approximately $3,000 per litter, to sum it up. If you want similiar links I can find them for you, I've got plenty of links up my sleeve.

I think that covers it for the checklist, so by all accounts i'm reputable. I would hate to be called a BYB because i am "bettering" the breed and the people that do decide they want one will be screened. Please be candid with your posts i want to be a good breeder here, but with all the info i posted how can i not be? Opinions are welcome. Thank you.


Well, let's see. You're breeding two labs who have unknown backgrounds (by unknown, I mean you haven't included their conformation titles/showing titles, pedigrees, their suitability to being bred with eachother, any concrete evidence of their temperaments) to eachother. You show very basic knowledge about Labs at best. You have no idea what your labs should be tested for before breeding. Your primary reason for breeding them is for a profit. You have several friends who have expressed interest in puppies from your labs, but you have no contracts with them. If the puppies turn out to have no homes lined up for them, you plan to dump them on someone else.

Overall, you certainly don't have a glowing reccomendation. Here are some questions and things you need to think about, but remember that I am only touching the tip of the iceburg here.

What do you really know about Labrador Retrievers? Do you know their standard inside and out? Have your dogs earned the right to be bred through conformation achievements and other titles? Do you have extensive knowledge of their lines? Their parents, siblings, and grandparents? How about several generations beyond that? If bred, would their genes complement eachother and improve things or would their pups be a hodgepodge of different traits, conformation, and temperaments? Are you ready and prepared for when things go wrong? The extra costs, time, and possibly heartbreak?

Do you have homes lined up for the puppies? Not "Oh! I would just love to have one of their puppies!" but "I want one of their puppies, may put down a deposit today?" You'd be surprised how many people who gushed about having their puppies will back off when faced with making the decision to bring home a new family member. (That's the situation a neighbor of mine is in currently, she bred her two labs and is desperate to find homes for them now.) When the puppies are older, will you offer support to their owners? Help, advice, training, reccomendations? Do you have a good contract written that clearly states the care of the puppies and prohibits neglect? How about an addition in the contract stating that if, for any reason, the owners wish to get rid of their puppy/adult dog that the animal will come to you first? Can you deal with/afford an addition of a third dog into the household or rehoming an adult, who is no longer a cute, adoptable puppy?

Do you realize how many animals are put to sleep in shelters each day? Each year? Do you know how many are purebreds? Did you know that a lot of them are puppies and kittens? Are you honestly willing to add to the pet overpopulation when you could simply suggest to your friends who are interested in puppies that they take a trip to the local shelter with you?

Please think about what I've said. If not for your own life, for the lives of the puppies you are thinking of bringing into this world.

Links for you to read no matter what:

http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/breeding/breeder2.html - "So You Want to Be a Breeder?"

http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/breeding.html - "Breeding Your Dog" (Important considerations)

http://www.hkc.org/breeding_your_dog.htm - "So you want to breed your dog.. WHY?" (Very short-why not to breed)

http://www.wonderpuppy.net/breeding.htm#findbreeder - "Breeding/Breeder Information" (GREAT links on DEFINING what a responsible breeder is.

http://www.iupui.edu/~ihls400/responsible_breeder.html - "What makes a Breeder Responsible?"

http://www.dogplay.com/GettingDog/checklist.html - "Checklist for a Responsible Breeder" (Very thorough. If you're still considering breeding your dogs, this is a must.)



***EDIT: I didn't take into consideration the possibility that you were joking. If you were.. That is SO not a funny joke.

[Momof2Pups]

Though it would be a very weak joke, I hope you are not serious.

[whatszmatter]

I wouldn't call you a BYB, just an instigator

[~Jessie~]

I'm hoping this is a joke. It doesn't sound serious, but you really never know =/

Yes, BYB.

[Laurelin]

It's gotta be a joke. ;)

[planet molosser]

Bit confused here are we being PUNKED?????

[Bahamutt99]

Good breeders breed for themselves, not so others can experience the joy of their breed. Something smells funny here...

[Doberluv]

Reputable breeders wouldn't even post those items or questions. They'd already know. They would have already spoken to potential mentors at dog shows. This is a waste of our time where we can be helping someone else. The OP hasn't even responded back. The best thinig to do would be to stop reinforcing this person.

[~Tucker&Me~]

Please don't post everyone. Let's not feed the troll :).

~Tucker

[Sunnierhawk0]

"Bit confused here are we being PUNKED?????"


Where's Ashton?!!! *goes looking* Not funny Ashton!

[Boemy]

It's a joke. ;) A fine satire on the uninformed breeder. ("I know all about the breed; I read a book once." LOL!)

[Aussie Red]

If this is your attempt at humor bub it aint funny at all !!!!
I just had to watch over 300 dogs ( labs inc) be PTS !!!!!
You say place in shelter ???
People that would even go this far for a attempt at some sick humor are desturbed !!!!!
I am still placing and needing homes to save the ones that have so far escaped the needle and believe me I am not laughing !!!!
If you are serious then you need to quickly be educated. All of your post says B Y B and don't even get me started on the rest !!! I am not amussed and I will leave it there.

[Red_ACD_for_me]

:spam: :spam: :spam: ! Once in awhile we get people on here who just want attention :rolleyes:

[bubbatd]

Me thinks this is all tongue in cheek ! Sure got the attention intended !

[iheartsammy]

i see nothing has changed since I left.. :rolleyes:

not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing..?

[Dogplayaz]

Well, i was serious but with all this negativity i'm not so sure i asked the right people. I will go about my breeding program as i have filled all the criterias put forward. Thank you for your assistance.

[RD]

Uh, sorry, but I smell a troll.

[Zoom]

No, see, you did ask the right people. We're the ones telling you the things you NEED to know, not what you WANT to hear.

[Plear]

No, see, you did ask the right people. We're the ones telling you the things you NEED to know, not what you WANT to hear.

Exactly what I think... *sigh*

[ravennr]

Well, i was serious but with all this negativity i'm not so sure i asked the right people. I will go about my breeding program as i have filled all the criterias put forward. Thank you for your assistance.

You asked everyone here if you would be considered a BYB, saying you didn't think so and that you took some sort of test. When people answered saying that you did not fill the criteria to be a responsible breeder, you say you're going to do it anyway.

Regardless of if you're a troll or not, I'll treat this as something serious, and let you know that you are extremely ignorant, and that reading a book does not mean you are knowledgable about anything.

[skyeboxer]

LOL. I was absolutely convinced that this was a joke. So the OP is serious! She should seriously give up the career prospect of breeding unwanted puppies from untested dogs and take up writing comedy for a living. I mean who seriously writes 'I read a book once.' to demonstrate knowledge of a subject?

This has got to be a troll.

[tempura tantrum]

I'm still not convinced this is serious. "I read a book once." COME ON. If that is this person's TRUE idea of knowledge, then in all honesty nothing we could say would probably help them...

I read a book once about neurosurgery Dogplayaz- if you ever need a brain surgeon, you know who to come talk to! (I doubt I'd honestly do that much harm...) :D


It's a troll.

[ACooper]

Never mind :D

[~Jessie~]

:spam: :spam: :spam:

We need a Troll smilie :D

[bubbatd]

I sure hope that this wasn't on the up and up !!! How sad !!

[Maxy24]

Guys,if this person is serious then by the way you acted he will not listen to anything you say, I mean seriously you basically just made fun of him without helping at all, now the OP is going to breed these dogs for no reason, with little to no knowledge because you scared him away. He looked at the sticky about breeding and believes he meets all the criteria. now hoping that he comes back, let's KINDLY explain why this person is a BYB and what he would need to do not to be a BYB.

[shadowfacedanes]

7) I will participate in breed rescue, if i can't sell them, i'll give mine to them with papers, how's that for participation.


Yeah...uh, run that by your local Lab rescue and see what they tell you.

If you REALLY want to better the breed, and give people a chance to love labs, spay and neuter the ones you have and help rescue clean up the messes other BYB's have made.

[Spirit2010]

I will have to go with the others, and Labs are not hyber, they are very entergetic. And have a lot of stamina!

[chickenlittle]

I have 2 Purebred Labs, 1 Male and 1 Female, they have all their test performed (CERF,OFA etc.) i was thinking of breeding them since i have many interested in them. I checked the "Good" breeder checklist and i believe i qualify.

1) Knowledge--i have intense knowledge of the Lab, i read a book once.
2) Tests: they have all there test, not sure what some are for, but i got em.
3) Something about old dogs in the yard, i don't have any old dogs, just my two who are 2 years old, so i'm good there.
4) I only have 1 kind of breed i'd like to breed, the 2 i have.
5) Pet references- I figure i have to sell some first before i can get a reference, but they can talk to my vet, he'll tell you i'm an honest Gal.
6) Dogs would be let go at 8 weeks
7) I will participate in breed rescue, if i can't sell them, i'll give mine to them with papers, how's that for participation.
8) Temperment: They are loving and hyper, and wouldn't hurt a soul, so i know there good there.
9) The checklist said i should have a goal, my goal is to give other people the chance to love Labs and of course my other goal...the allmighty dollar.

I think that covers it for the checklist, so by all accounts i'm reputable. I would hate to be called a BYB because i am "bettering" the breed and the people that do decide they want one will be screened. Please be candid with your posts i want to be a good breeder here, but with all the info i posted how can i not be? Opinions are welcome. Thank you.



I think you have an excellent bases started here. Maybe look at getting into some sort of showing, tracking, field trials...something to get a few titles on your dogs. This would show that are capable of doing what they were bred to do. Really the best titling for labs is field trials because they were bred to retrieve for hunters so that type of titling shows they do what they were bred to do.

Find a really good mentor and let them guide you as forums really are not the place to educate yourself.

Proof:

How many of those top notch breeders are active on forums?

NONE

[Cassiepeia]

How many of those top notch breeders are active on forums?
Actually quite a few excellent breeders are active on forums.

Although I agree it's not a great place to find a mentor.

As for the OP....

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Cass.

[Zoom]

How many of those top notch breeders are active on forums?

NONE

Actually, we have quite a few top notch breeders on this forum alone. :)

[Bahamutt99]

My favorite APBT breeder owns his own forum.

[ravennr]

I guess chickenlittle just loves those BYBs!

[Dogplayaz]

I guess chickenlittle just loves those BYBs!

I would like to thank chickenlittle and Maxy 24 for there encouragement but all others seem intent on judging and i would most likely NOT take advice from most of you based on the "oh my god, she's a sinner" attitude and i certainly would not take someones opinion like Ravennr who's only been here 1 month and is already bashing a forum member with that child like comment, i suppose there must be "followers" in the world. Thanks to all who have tried to help the rest of you please dismount from your pedestals.

[ravennr]

It doesn't take years of being on a forum to see who is unedcuated, and who cares.
Afterall, I spotted you, right out, as being uneducated. ;)


I don't use a forum to gain my knowledge. I have a great deal of real life experience. So run along with your assumptions, and thank you for concerning yourself with me enough to come back and prove to be even more of a fool.

[Saje]

I'm going to lock this thread.

Dogplayaz, if you seriously have questions and want to learn then feel free to take part in this forum.