What would YOU say?

[pitbulliest]

Dog fighters seem to think that putting their dogs in a fighting pit and letting them go at each other is A OK...what would you tell an ignorant dog fighter if they told you that dog fighting is no different than the sport of boxing?

Everyone chip in..I'd like to hear it all from the heart!

[~Tucker&Me~]

In boxing, fighters sign up. It's their choice to enter the ring. Not only that, but boxers don't die (not often anyhow, LOL.)

~Tucker

[Groch]

Frankly I think the sports are very similar.....or would be if they allowed boxers to use their teeth.

[RD]

Boxers are aware of the risks and can make a conscious decision whether to fight or not. Dogs have no idea what could happen to them, they're just running on instinct.

[Amstaffer]

I would ask them if it was ok if people put their children in a ring together and encouraged them to hit each other with baseball bats.

The problems is that no argument you can come up with will work because their world view is so twisted and alien to you that they will just write you off as over emotional, or "uninformed" or better yet.... ignorant to reality.

Some people feel the need to raise and encourage a dog to be everything they are genetically and emotionally unable to do. Many dog fighters are weak of mind and spirit, these cowards admire strength and bravery but lack both so they exploit man's best friend and God greatest creation to "achieve" these qualities.

[Red_ACD_for_me]

We don't hang, kill, or abandon a human fighter if they loose a match because they weren't good enough! :mad: And that is exactly what these ignorant monsters do to there dogs when they fight them. Abusive b@$ta@rds!! Plus what they are doing is illegal..............

[Momof2Pups]

A boxer knows what they're doing, they don't get shoved into a ring.
Besides the odd case, as far as I'm aware, people aren't bred and forced to be boxers. A dog reacts in that way because that is what they are bred to do. They feel fear and they react on instinct. It's a fight to the death unless someone intervenes.
A person has their own will and has a way out.
A boxer doesn't live to serve the sole purpose of being someone else's fighter.

[pitbulliest]

I was watching Ultimate Fighting Champion yesterday..and I felt really bad...guilty really..REALLY REALLY GUILTY!

I was watching these people beating the SH8T out of each other..blood everywhere..broken noses, swollen black eyes...it was pretty gruesome..my boyfriend is into it..he watches often..and his brother is training for the UFC...

Watching it..I started thinking about dog fighting...and this may sound soooo terrible...but I was thinking to myself..how is dog fighting any different? These fighters don't seem to mind getting beaten up and dealing with broken noses, bleeding foreheads and cheecks...maybe it doesn't hurt them then? So how does it hurt the dogs?

Maybe I'm not grasping the full reality of dog fighting...

Please by all means, I hope you all don't think I approve of dog fighting..I'm probably the most emotional person when it comes ot animal cruelty..that's probably why I feel so guilty for having thought that last night..I couldn't even fall asleep properly because of my guilt.

I'm evil aren't I? What's wrong with me? Am I a bad person? :(

[mrose_s]

boxers are done in the ring and they know the fight is over. a dog bred to kill other animals can't turn off its drive so easily. its not fair to let an animal think that you have to kill every other dog that is put in your vicinity.

[Lizmo]

Boxers have a choise, the dogs don't :( :( :mad: :mad:

[~Jessie~]

Humans have a choice if they want to be involved in boxing, and dogs do not =/

[Amstaffer]

I'm evil aren't I? What's wrong with me? Am I a bad person? :(

You aren't evil. You are showing what separates you from the creeps who fight dogs. You recognize the excitement but you also recognize the cruelty and evaluate your thinking. UFC fighters are trained and thinking beings that weigh the pros vs the cons of fighting and make an informed decision on whether they should fight or continue to fight. Dogs are tortured and abused to exaggerate genetic tendencies and lack the ability to truly eval the pros vs cons of fighting.

I think we as humans enjoy (by nature) the excitement of watching combat; vicarious combat has all the excitement but none of the dangerous risks. So you aren't evil for your feelings you are only evil if you give in and make those action a reality. No one suffers from your thoughts only your actions. (Action= fighting dogs /I don't mean UFC fighters)

I love to watch Sal and his best friend (Elwood the APBT) play and wrestle in the backyard. They play rough but never growl or bite. They have been buddies for 4 years so please no one tell me they are going to kill each other soon. They are never left a lone either.

[Paige]

Dog fighters seem to think that putting their dogs in a fighting pit and letting them go at each other is A OK...what would you tell an ignorant dog fighter if they told you that dog fighting is no different than the sport of boxing?

Everyone chip in..I'd like to hear it all from the heart!

That dog owner only wishes that I would of talked to them about how selfish there actions are. I honestly think I'd attack the person. That is no different then making kids fight eachother for amusment. It's sick and discusting.

[IliamnasQuest]

Boxers/UFC fighters are doing this by choice in order to win a PRIZE.

Dogs being put in a pit to fight are fighting for their LIVES.

You can only compare the two if the human fighters are fighting only to live and for no other reason. If they're fighting for a title or a belt or a medal or to be known as the "baddest" around, than it's a completely different scenario.

Melanie and the gang in Alaska

[pitbulliest]

Thanks for all the comments you guys..I truely agree with everything everyone has said..I've just felt so guilty for having that thought occur in my head...

[ihartgonzo]

I agree. Putting a living, breathing, feeling dog through so much pain & torment just for one's own entertainment or monetary gain... is beyond sick! Not only that, but you KNOW practically none of these dogs get proper medical care for their injuries, or are treated well or like a companion at all in their entire life. There's an awesome movie that I saw about the life of a fighting dog, on HBO or something... I have to look it up. I see it as no different than walking up to a dog and beating it to death yourself for "fun".

There was a very interesting arguement, which Pitties came into, on a Betta fish forum (yeah... I breed Bettas). Some people were all for Betta fighting in the right environment (with plakats aka short-finned fighting Bettas, in the proper environment, given plenty of conditioning and rest afterwards, etc) & some were against it but many were for it. Personally, I STILL see Betta fighting as sick, because it is for entertainment! The arguement was that fighting is natural for Bettas... which is completely false. 1) Betta Splendens have been bred for centuries to BE aggressive... originally, and with other variations of Bettas, they are not nearly as aggro. 2) Placing 2 male Bettas in an enclosed container (usually very small!) is in no way natural. In the wild, with miles of rice paddies around them, the 2 might have a scuffle for territory, but there's tons of room to retreat. 3) It is inhumane to set up & take pleasure out of watching any innocent animal bring pain to another.

[Momof2Pups]

I agree. Putting a living, breathing, feeling dog through so much pain & torment just for one's own entertainment or monetary gain... is beyond sick! Not only that, but you KNOW practically none of these dogs get proper medical care for their injuries, or are treated well or like a companion at all in their entire life. There's an awesome movie that I saw about the life of a fighting dog, on HBO or something... I have to look it up. I see it as no different than walking up to a dog and beating it to death yourself for "fun".

There was a very interesting arguement, which Pitties came into, on a Betta fish forum (yeah... I breed Bettas). Some people were all for Betta fighting in the right environment (with plakats aka short-finned fighting Bettas, in the proper environment, given plenty of conditioning and rest afterwards, etc) & some were against it but many were for it. Personally, I STILL see Betta fighting as sick, because it is for entertainment! The arguement was that fighting is natural for Bettas... which is completely false. 1) Betta Splendens have been bred for centuries to BE aggressive... originally, and with other variations of Bettas, they are not nearly as aggro. 2) Placing 2 male Bettas in an enclosed container (usually very small!) is in no way natural. In the wild, with miles of rice paddies around them, the 2 might have a scuffle for territory, but there's tons of room to retreat. 3) It is inhumane to set up & take pleasure out of watching any innocent animal bring pain to another.
I completely agree..whether it's a dog or betta or anything else, it's completely sick and inhumane. I don't know who could find pleasure out of watching innocent animals rip eachother up and get injured.

[pitbulliest]

The last time I had a Betta, I put it in a really large aquarium so that it could have lots of room to swim around....

but it died - I dunno why :(

[planet molosser]

I have said this...

You have a choice the dogs DO not.
And they do have cheap penile englargments available for "men COUGH COUGH like you.

I have dont kick boxing, wrestling, to name some insane things.
I like the pump feeling but I make a choice to put my life on the line back then..... Dogs are made into weapons by the worse creature on earth MAN.

[Bahamutt99]

I think the fact that its a felony almost everywhere should be enough. When dogfighters' yards get raided, good dogs are taken and killed by the authorities. Entire bloodlines get wiped out in the blink of an eye. When a bust is on the news, it never reflects well upon the dogs or the breed. There is just too much pressure and scrutiny on dogfighting right now to justify doing it. It makes me nervous just having some of the "paraphernalia."

[Bahamutt99]

I love to watch Sal and his best friend (Elwood the APBT) play and wrestle in the backyard. They play rough but never growl or bite. They have been buddies for 4 years so please no one tell me they are going to kill each other soon. They are never left a lone either.

Amstaffer, I just hope you're right. That you don't leave the dogs unsupervised is a plus. I kept a pack of three girls together for a year. Then one day, the utopian scenario was just... over. Getting thrust into a situation where you have to seperate when you haven't been preparing for that possibility is heartbreaking.

You'd be amazed at how many people come on one of the Pit Bull forums I moderate, and the first question they ask is "Help! My dogs are fighting! They got along great for [insert time span here] and one just 'snapped!' I need someone to adopt one of my dogs." Its as frustrating as someone looking to place a St. Bernard that got too big and drooly, or a Golden that all of the sudden 'snapped' and started retrieving one day. That's why we try to make sure that people understand what they're getting into.

Anyway, best of luck to you and yours, and I hope things stay peachy for you. :)

[Amstaffer]

The last time I had a Betta, I put it in a really large aquarium so that it could have lots of room to swim around....

but it died - I dunno why :(

When I was a kid I had two fish tanks....one with small fish and one with big fish. One day a betta I had attacked and ripped up a smaller fish I liked a lot (stupid me for putting him in there) I then put the offending Betta in the tank and introduced him to my Oscars................. I felt guilty later but it seemed like justice to my young mind :(

[Amstaffer]

Amstaffer, I just hope you're right. That you don't leave the dogs unsupervised is a plus. I kept a pack of three girls together for a year. Then one day, the utopian scenario was just... over. Getting thrust into a situation where you have to seperate when you haven't been preparing for that possibility is heartbreaking.

You'd be amazed at how many people come on one of the Pit Bull forums I moderate, and the first question they ask is "Help! My dogs are fighting! They got along great for [insert time span here] and one just 'snapped!' I need someone to adopt one of my dogs." Its as frustrating as someone looking to place a St. Bernard that got too big and drooly, or a Golden that all of the sudden 'snapped' and started retrieving one day. That's why we try to make sure that people understand what they're getting into.

Anyway, best of luck to you and yours, and I hope things stay peachy for you. :)

I don't want to HJ the thread but Sal and Elwood are both unique (if two examples can be) for Pit Bulls. I've seen a small spaniel mix attack and draw blood on Elwood and poor Elwood didn't respond with aggression but rather confusion.

Even when they play neither play bites, someday soon I'll post some pics and maybe a short video. They have played like that for years while me and Elwoods owner (and Athena) watch.

Sometimes I feel guilty for not breeding Sal (now neutered) because he has the perfect personality for a dog. Nothing rattles him and he loves everything that talks, walks or crawls.

[pitbulliest]

Off topic..but I love the name Elwood..that's genius for a male pittie..too sweet :)

[Amstaffer]

Off topic..but I love the name Elwood..that's genius for a male pittie..too sweet :)

Elwood is a sweetie, he is like Sal. He just doesn't take any other dog seriously. Every dog is a playmate.

[Boemy]

To be honest, I think a lot of "contact" sports do play to our baser nature. People fighting, getting hurt, risking injury, it gets our adrenaline pumping in a way that a chess match does not, despite the fact that a chess match takes just as much skill. More skill, IMO. In a roundabout way, I can understand why dog fighters get excited by seeing two dogs going at it. NOT that I approve. But I understand how that sort of thing gets started.

A boxer does choose his fate and choose to train. He hasn't been selectively bred to be aggressive towards men wearing boxing gloves. And he understands the risk of injury. A dog can't make those decisions.

I was watching a YouTube video the other day of soldiers putting a spider--a HUGE spider, you wouldn't believe the size of it--in a box with a scorpion. They were taking bets on which would win, laughing as the animals attacked each other it a blur of motion. I'm sure in their minds it was "all right" because they were lower animals. But even so . . . They set something up to die for their amusements and, all right, it wasn't something cute or cuddly, but it died and they laughed. It upsets me. We should be better than that. We aren't, but we should be.

I do feel uncomfortable with a lot of the television programming these days which indirectly condone cruelty. The American Idol judge bashes the contestants and everyone says, "Oh, he's so mean", but . . . they kind of laugh about it too, you know? About what he says. Gleefully repeating his comments. It's as if it's okay to be amused by cruelty as long as we aren't the ones making the remarks. :/