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champagne
04-27-2005, 11:34 PM
Kaine is an almost 6mo old pit bull that has just recently started acting scared by trying to run off or barking when hes unsure of something.

today at the park two kids came riding at us on their bicycles while we were walking on the soccer field. Kaine got scared and ran behind me in the opposite direction and started barking, hackles up and some growling. I made him sit and then I asked the kids to stop and he relaxed somewhat and when the kids started talking to me from a distance he started wagging his tail. I asked the kids to drop the bikes and to move away from them so I could have kaine approach the bikes and he did fine. he did not act scared but did walk around and check the bikes out. I started talking to the kids again and I could see that kaine was totally relaxed so we walked closer to the kids and I made him sit again. He was wagging his tail no hackles or anything so I let the kids pet him and he loved it.(never had a problem with people he loves everybody). after a while the kids got their bikes and at first walked them beside us and then rode them...Kaine could care less. never acted scared or anything.

also even though there are at times no distractions at the park or they are at a distance, while he is smelling the ground he will at times have his hackles up. ???

also he barked at the neighbor the other day even though the day before while she was moving her dog he could care less. she was moving her dog to another spot in the yard toward us and he looked at them and went on with his own business. the next day he barked at her, she was just walking in her yard. hackles were up. I told him "no barking" and grabbed his leash and told him "this way" and he followed me. (he just had a buckle collar on).(theres usually no one out there although her dog barks at us everyday and kaine always ignores the dog).

Kaine had barked at our other neighbor b/c he had never seen him in his yard before and doesnt bark at him anymore after seeing him again and the neighbor coming over to meet kaine.

ok the question I have is did I deal with the bicycles the right way and how do i deal with the barking when hes scared? sometimes if i say its ok the hackles go down or if i just start giving commands he settles down also. because hes paying more attention to me and forgets hes scared I think??

should I be correcting him for the barking? he wears a prong collar but Im unsure if I should be giving him a correction thinking it might make him more aggressive or fearful to whatever hes scared of.

he does real well with the prong collar on our walks, he respects the collar and does what we ask. we hardly have to give him a correction, very light (thats all it takes).

he has been around alot of people in different settings and has been fine. it just seems at times or different situations he acts scared. I know we have to socialize him more but first I need to know what I should be doing in those situations.

we are attending dog obedience classes where he does good. also hes on NILIF. we have no problems with him that way with the exception of an occasional whine, but he is finding out that whinning gets him nowhere.

people that have met him here at home or outside the home have commented to me about how well mannered he is.

thanks for any help you can give

Renee750il
04-27-2005, 11:46 PM
He really sounds like he's doing well, and you seem to be doing the right things. At six months he's becoming an adolescent and they do tend to get a bit daft during that time. Just be aware that he will be testing the limits of his world in the coming months. Has he been neutered?

One thing to remember as well is one of the hallmarks of a good watchdog is being aware of anything or anyone that isn't where it 'ought' to be. A good watchdog will notice things or people out of place and will react to that. As he gets older and more sure of himself, he should be a little less freaked and be more willing to stop and watch or even go check things out without going through the show of raised hackles.

champagne
04-28-2005, 12:04 AM
yes he is neutered. he does sit and watch when something new is going on at times. less now than he used to. the kids skateboarding the other day next to the house..he barked and hackles were up. after telling him that they were "playing" ( he knows what that means cause when we ask him if he wants to play he will go get a toy) and redirecting his attention., he went back over to the fence later and just sat there and watched them untill he became bored.
I guess im just worried b/c i dont want to console him when he gets scared b/c that would be reinforcing that behavior but on the other hand I dont want to correct him with the prong in case that would get him more scared or aggressive.

Doberluv
04-28-2005, 08:52 AM
I guess im just worried b/c i dont want to console him when he gets scared b/c that would be reinforcing that behavior but on the other hand I dont want to correct him with the prong in case that would get him more scared or aggressive.

I think you're doing everything right. Yes, you don't want to make too big a fuss over him when he's doing that, lest he thing you're rewarding him. And you're right...a correction may make him associate the thing he's already worried about with being a really bad thing that he needs to get. So, ignoring or one or two words if you think that calms him down. (They do go through fear periods at various times and sometimes when you think they're getting OK with something, they all of a sudden seem to fall back, but just keep at it and don't make too big a fuss over things.If you're confident, he'll be more confident.)

I think you handled the bike thing and the kids perfectly. He has his hackles up because he's afraid. The more gradual but steady exposure to all kinds of things, kids, adults, enviornments....the better. Don't overwhelm him, but keep at it every day.

Good luck. It sounds like he's coming along fine.

CreatureTeacher
04-28-2005, 06:28 PM
I agree with Doberluv. If you react in anything other than a calm, confident way to his little bouts of fear, you might be giving him the idea that there's a good reason to be scared. But if you stay calm and sort of ho-hum about the whole thing, he'll get the hint that there's just not anything to worry about. I think it's wonderful that you let him explore the bikes and the kids. That was a great opportunity for him to see for himself that there was really nothing to fear.

And I also agree that he's probably going through a "fear phase", which most puppies experience once or twice as they grow up. It's a natural stage that helps keep them safe when they're in a vulnerable place developmentally. Now is the best time to form positive associations with as many different people and situations as you can, but do make sure they're positive. He'll grow out of the phase, but he'll remember what he learned and what his reactions got him.

It sounds to me like you're doing a wonderful job so far! :)

champagne
04-28-2005, 11:39 PM
THANKS EVERYONE!! I feel much better now as I'm sure Kaine will also.
If you're confident, he'll be more confident.
sometimes I question myself whether or not I'm doing the right thing. I'm helping to raise Kaine for my daughter (shes 18 and still at home and in school) so Kaine and I spend alot of time together. I really love having him here! He is one of the smartest dogs I have had and HE ABSOLUTLY loves to learn new tricks. He is very food motivated (treats of any kind) so he is getting quite good at picking up new things.

The one thing I had stopped doing since dog obedience class started was to eliminate the treats (recommended) during his training to heel, come,sit stays (which he can hold over a minute after just a few times doing it in the driveway). :)
my daughter and myself noticed that he wasnt as exhuberant with his walks and training as he had been no matter how much praise we gave him.
yesterday at the park, after working on walking and a heel, we stopped so I could fix his collar and he found something on the ground and started to eat it. when i got a closer look it was a piece of cooked steak someone had discarded on the ground. WELL Kaine did eat some of it b4 I could get it picked up.
we continued to work on his exercises and boy he did it with gusto. Tail wagging and loving all the praise and feeling pretty good about our walk and his "treat"
so we have decided that giving him treats randomly during training and walks should (I hope) keep him excited and wanting to do his training:) :)

again thanks everyone! you have really helped us out :)

Doberluv
04-29-2005, 12:56 PM
I think you are doing everything in a super way! You sound so intuned with your dog and you have nothing but success coming.

Yes, I disagree with stopping treats suddenly like it was recommended to you. I give treats when I'm trying to get a new behavior or task accomplished and I give them every time....for a long time, until the dog gets it down pat, reliable. When that happens, it begins to become habit for the dog to obey. (that is...if you haven't asked for something and the dog has gotten away without doing it) When it gets to be a habit, it's almost like the dog thinks he has no choice but to comply. What choice is there when you're offering gourmet treats, love, praise and fun? (I believe that the central nervous system, as well as the voluntary part of the brain develops pathways which the dog follows. That may be a little far fetched, but I have a little theory going on here. LOL) At that point, you can back off a little and give the treats randomly so he doesn't know for sure when he's going to get one, but he figures he will at some point. (but you do have to give him some) So, he tries even harder and is more intent on working. He keeps interested.

So, I see you've discovered the same thing. LOL.

champagne
05-02-2005, 11:57 PM
yep he loves those treats!!! well we have been having some cold rainy weather here so our walks haven't been quite as often as i wanted. we go everyday when the weather is nice except for saturday. I started taking treats with me again and its made quite a difference in his attitude. We do training exercises first and then I tell him its playtime and put him on a 20' line with his buckle collar. This is his favorite part:)
He is such a goober!! always making me smile!
My son came on our walk sunday (I only get to see him 5 or 6 times a month). The three of us had a really good time.:) :)

Renee750il
05-03-2005, 11:07 AM
yes he is neutered. he does sit and watch when something new is going on at times. less now than he used to. the kids skateboarding the other day next to the house..he barked and hackles were up. after telling him that they were "playing" ( he knows what that means cause when we ask him if he wants to play he will go get a toy) and redirecting his attention., he went back over to the fence later and just sat there and watched them untill he became bored.

This story will make you laugh!

When Charley lived on the beach, a guy down the street from him had a Pit who loved skateboards. Every chance the dog got to get out, he'd chase a skateboarder and steal the board! He'd grab it with his teeth, then when the boarder got off the dog would put two legs on the board and push with his other two and ride the board home. His owner just put them up and returned them to any owners who came to claim them, lol!

Doberluv
05-03-2005, 07:48 PM
ROFLOL!!! That's a fabulous story!!! Love it!!!