Another mutt breeder in s.dakota

[Shannerson]

http://dakotawinds.homestead.com/

I've kept an eye on this breeder over the years; they started out small but I was apalled at the number of breeds/mutts and breedings they now have. She has a whole statement about the humane society like it is a bad place to go for a dog so people should come to her instead. Uhh.

http://www.dakotaeranch.com/puppies/ and another breeder....

[skyeboxer]

'strewth! Not only puggles but pocket puggles! I didn't see the link to the shelter statement. Would you mind to give the direct url?

[Zoom]

That first one just boggles the mind...and she's crossing English Shepherds?? WTF...all of her breeding stock looks like junk and you can tell she has absolutely no idea how genentic traits get passed on. :mad: :mad:

[krisykris]

Those mixes look so sad :( A COCANESE?! I realize all my dogs are mixed and all purchased rather than adopted... but seriously... where does it end?

[showpug]

So unfortunate! :(

[Cassiepeia]

Makes me sick. :(

Cass.

[~Jessie~]

That is so sad. When will it end?

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

"If breeds are bred to another breed that does not have simular health problems, then them health problems are eliminated."

Is there any truth or even possibility of that? I admit, I don't know alot about breeding, but this just sounds ridiculous that a statement can be made that simple.

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

So a Hush Bassett is a Bassett cross but they don't say with what...

And a Comfort Retreiver?? Oh I am getting angrier and angrier as I read this! And they breed horse crosses too!

"We are breeding Flash to our smaller Draft cross mares. We offer the foals for sale, mostly to people who love Gypsy horses, but either cannot, or do not want to, pay the high price for a purebred Gypsy. Most of our foals look very much like Gypsy Horses, and have the same great temperment."

[Shannerson]

skye...here is the direct link at bottom: http://dakotawinds.homestead.com/MaleDogs.html

[Red_ACD_for_me]

Though the pups she produces are in doubt very cute...this vicious cycle of "hybrids" or MUTTS as I like to call them will never end unless they toughen up breeding laws which will never happen.....VERY SAD!

[Purdue#1]

Ok, some of their "comfort retrievers" look like field splaniels. The lab/poodle and lab/golden crosses look like a breed i have seen before. :yikes: :eek:

they said that they don't like purbreds because of what they were bred for, well in the doodle section they say some of their dogs would be good for search and rescue, hunting,etc. They contradict what they say. They really need to remember what they type.:rolleyes:

also, they think breeding a cocker with a lab or golden will erase what they have been doing for generations(retrieving game,etc)? They were bred to dog the same thing.DUH! I'm no expert, but they need to read up breed history and the genetics of dogs. :rolleyes:

[~Jessie~]

They breed for "mini" cats as well =/

[Boemy]

"If breeds are bred to another breed that does not have simular health problems, then them health problems are eliminated."

Is there any truth or even possibility of that? I admit, I don't know alot about breeding, but this just sounds ridiculous that a statement can be made that simple.

It's possible, but by no means guaranteed. I'm sure she's just using it as a selling point, not actually trying to actively eradicate health problems, which would require a lot of work tracking the relatives of her dogs to determine which had bad recessive genes and so on.

[chinchow]

http://dakotawinds.homestead.com/tp.gif

Hmm, those dogs above...
look just like this dog below:
http://dogbreedinfo.com/images5/Kooikerhondje4.jpg


I can't even stand it anymore.

[boxerbaby]

Some one needs to get these people some help! The name "Dakota winds ranch" is just a fancy way of saying PUPPY MILL!!!! If that isn't bad enough, they are raising the next generation of back yard breeders. I am completely shocked by these people, and they think they are doing good, and raising family dogs? I really don't get these people! They need to take a trip to a large shelter facility and see how many euthanized dogs are there that look just like their "designer dogs" I can't even believe the are charging people $500 to $1800 and up for mutts (but 350 for cocker spaniels:confused: ) Are people really stupid enough to pay this much for mutts?
(I know people have some designer dogs and love them, ei goldendoodles ect. But over a $ 1000 for a MUTT!:yikes:

[Brandyb]

Oh man! I think I may barf! Why is it that people keep doing this sort of thing. It saddens me when I see websites like this ... and yet, obviously some of the public buy into this.

[Vivien]

umm they only have about 50 breeding dogs....what is wrong with that???:mad: some people....anyone want a comfort retriver??? poor babies:(

[mamasobuco]

As someone who fosters puppies this really does concern me. The HUGE majority of our pups are cross breeds. Or what those who turn them in call cross breeds. I wonder what they do with the pups that they don't sell. :-/

Every time I see something about a cross I can't help but remember when I was a kid cockapoos were the dogs that people got who couldn't afford a pure bred. WT? has gone wrong????

[Gempress]

"If breeds are bred to another breed that does not have simular health problems, then them health problems are eliminated."

Is there any truth or even possibility of that?

No.

It can be extremely diluted. But such a program takes years to develop, and a lot of screening to find healthy puppies. Take hip dysplasia, for example. Even puppies who come from several generations of health-screened parents can end up with it. It decreases the probability of that happening, but it doesn't eliminate it.

But I believe this woman is referring to a first-generation cross, in which case that "logic" is just unbelieveable. Genetic problems are hereditary, just like any other trait that can be passed on. If you start out with unhealthy parents, the result will most likely be unhealthy puppies.

That breeder's above statement is just like saying "This dog has a black coat. This dog has a white coat. Since they don't have similar coats, if we breed them together, then the pups will have neither black nor white coats."

What sense does that make? :confused:

[Brattina88]

Many people may find a great, crossbred dog or puppy at their local Human Society! Though, not everyone is so lucky. In some places, there just is not much available, sometimes, sad as it is, a dog is at the Human Society for a reason. 20% of all dogs brang to Human Societies, came from Human Societies, and were brought back ;o( Training/aggression, and just not good dog problems.. ;o( 41% of all dogs brought into Human Societies, people had gotten free, or for $100 & under.. Free & cheap dogs/puppies are not looked on as valuable enough.. Not taken to puppy classes, owners not bonding with them enough ;o( Many are strays... Also, the breed, or breeds, of human society dogs are often just guesses. Parents of the dog or puppy completely unknown. I myself adopted a puppy at a human society called a "Lab Cross".. He grew up to be crossed with a Doberman, was difficult to handle, (impossible for the kids), and eventually bit my daughter, without being provoked. He was also very hyper, and controling with other dogs. Also, some people are searching for a particular cross, which may be very difficult to find at a shelter? Sometimes someone gets lucky, and do find a great dog or puppy at a shelter! Other people are just experienced enough, and do not mind, handling a dog that has problems. This is all good! Many purebred dogs can also be found at shelters. Which is why we believe that breeding healthy, and trainable dogs is very important! Good homes for our puppies is also very important!


nice justification :mad:
I wonder where they get their statistics :rolleyes:

This site screams puppy mill - 50 breeding dogs somebody posted? sick :eek:

[ACooper]

"Which is why we believe that breeding healthy, and trainable dogs is very important! Good homes for our puppies is also very important!"

healthy
and how in the world does she know they are healthy??? I didn't see any health screen data performed on any of her "breeding stock", that is usually listed right up there with pedigree. Every GOOD breeder knows that there are genetic deffects in every breed and they screen potential parents before breeding so as not to pass them on to puppies. Perhaps she means they are free of worms, and have had puppy shots??????

trainable
and TRAINABLE?? I thought all dogs were TRAINABLE, even older ones!!

Good homes for our puppies is also very important
and thats why she sells them to people who have ready cash over the internet!

WHAT A JOKE!!! and people who pay big bucks for mutts with designer names, don't get me started!!!!!!!!!!!

I love a good mutt, but don't try to convince me these mutts are superior or you know what you are doing!

[Dolly]

Ooo, the dogs at the first site have "hyprid viger" so they MUST be healthy. :rolleyes: Calling a lab mix bad because it was part dobe though . . . grrr. Since when are dobermans hyper dogs that bite unprovoked??

Those retriever and lab mixes are really cute though, they look like nice dogs. :(

[jupiter11600]

Ooh sierra must have missed out on that Hybred vigor.... She's HuskyXSheltie and only has IBD, a Bad thyroid, Dementia and a few more minor issues...

After many nights cleaning up puke and #2 I've decided we're going to abandon her at the high kill humane society in the area and go buy a puggle from this breeder....:rolleyes:

[Miakoda]

Originally Posted by AnimalLoverCatRescuer
"If breeds are bred to another breed that does not have simular health problems, then them health problems are eliminated."

Is there any truth or even possibility of that?


Nope.

When mixing 2 different breeds of dogs, what is produced is all a craps shoot. There is no standard meaning that out of 3 litters b/n the same sire/dam, all 3 litters could look entirely different & have completely different temperaments.

Af far as musculskeletal issues & other health issues, there is just as high a risk of producing a dog with much worse issues than if it were a well bred purebred as there there is diluting the issues and/or covering them up.

I've got a Shar Pei/Cane Corso mix. Dam was a beautiful Shar Pei around 45-50lbs & stud was a nice looking Cane Corso around 135lbs. My mutt, Wrigley, is around 100lbs, has AWEFUL food & inhalent allergies, battles constant ear infections, has the worst case of severe bilateral hip dysplasia our clinic has ever seen & even the LSU orthopedic surgeon commented on their severity, has bad knees, & his temperament, well let's just say every day is a new day but he is on the chopping block right now as I don't trust him 1 iota with my infant son. And Wrigley isn't alone. Hundreds of thousands of mutts/mixed breeds get the worst of both genetic & temperament issues regardless of the old saying that "mutts are the healthiest of them all". Unfortunately, this just isn't true & their is no evidence to back it up (but there is plenty to dispue it).

IMO, until the whole "my dog makes an awesome dress up fashion accessory" way of thought ends, there will be no end in sight for the small designer breeds. Actually, I honestly don't see an end in sight. I think we are just at the beginning of this whole crappy market due to new registries popping up all over allowing these dogs to be "registered" & what not.

And honestly, look around on this forum itself................numerous people own these designer breeds even on here.

[Flatcoat]

:rolleyes: This is just heart breaking. People are destroying dogs lines! Those labs don't even look pure.
Also, the breed, or breeds, of human society dogs are often just guesses. Parents of the dog or puppy completely unknown. I myself adopted a puppy at a human society called a "Lab Cross".. He grew up to be crossed with a Doberman, was difficult to handle, (impossible for the kids), and eventually bit my daughter, without being provoked. He was also very hyper, and controling with other dogs.

And that's the human society's or the dog's fault that the dog bite the child? It's the owners fault. Any dog can bite, and with training they should be well behaved. It's not the dogs fault that he was hyper, she probally didn't exercise him.

[Miakoda]

He grew up to be crossed with a Doberman

Huh? So I guess the Dobie cross hapened while the pup was growing? Or was it just a nice guess to blame an attack that pretty much the fault of the parent on a breed of dog everyone will just accept as "vicious". These people are killing me..................

[shea4]

I seen a guy in our local paper selling it was a cross between a boxer and a golden he called it a rebox people are crazy he was selling them for 800.00 and called it a rare breed i call it a mutt

[Laurelin]

No breed is a true "purebred" unless it is a Wolf or something.

Just my favorite quote from the site. ;)

Or something...