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DoggyLuva1128

12-06-2006, 01:00 PM

Caren+Bailey

12-06-2006, 01:03 PM

Very sad!

Jules

12-06-2006, 01:13 PM

Do you have the links??

DoggyLuva1128

12-06-2006, 01:19 PM

No It was on the first one was an article my sister showed me and the second one was on the news

DoggyLuva1128

12-06-2006, 01:25 PM

It was in the post

showpug

12-06-2006, 03:00 PM

My brother-in-law is a cop and I can't believe the stories I hear about how they treat dogs. They will shoot dogs all the time for no good reason. I remember the story he was bragging about when he let someones dog out of their house and it went running down the street. He started laughing about it. It drives my husband and I insane when he starts with the dog stories. :mad:

DoggyLuva1128

12-06-2006, 03:05 PM

It's just so sad :(

bubbatd

12-06-2006, 08:32 PM

No , not all cops and not all people . Don't let one rotten apple ruin the barrel . I had read about the second story . That was absolutely uncalled for !

Saje

12-06-2006, 08:35 PM

What??? Where are the links and stories?

Funny, I find here that most cops really love dogs and will do anything to help them. I've even heard cops (on the scanner) picking up stray dogs and taking them somewhere safe. You can tell they are having a good time playing with them.

SiNNiK

12-06-2006, 08:59 PM

DoggyLuva1128

12-06-2006, 09:33 PM

once i was at the beach with Chance and the kids and we had a 5 month old Rottie named Oya with us. a park ranger was walking by and Oya just stood up and the stupid so-and-so went for his gun and said "that's a good way to get shot", right in front of my kids, and he meant it. Oya was on a chain by our tent, didn't growl or anything, cops suck.

about 8 years ago i was walking our 5 year old Rottie, Bear, and saw a cop that lived in the apartment complex we were in, noticed he had some mace in his hand. he looked drunk and was staring at us, made me feel nervous, so i asked him about the mace claiming that i was considering buying some for my wife and wanted to know if it worked. he said "let's see" and sprayed it at us. luckily we were about 4 or 5 feet further away than the mace could go. yeah he harrassed alot of people there.

if you are a cop and you are reading this, you suck.

OMG that is horrible! Now they know why a lot of people aren't so fond of them. Yeah they can do a good job at times but I feel they take their authority over others for granted. How cruel can they be? And wtf?! "That's a good way to get shot", how idiotic can they be! I feel cops should never shoot dogs...I think they should travel with tranquilizers. That's just a disgrace...

muggsies16

12-06-2006, 09:45 PM

No , not all cops and not all people . Don't let one rotten apple ruin the barrel . I had read about the second story . That was absolutely uncalled for !

Wow! How awfull! I am glad my son is not like that! He loves animals too much! Boy I am pretty sure, he knows I would give him a beating if I heard him doing such stuff!

yoko

12-07-2006, 03:05 AM

if you are a cop and you are reading this, you suck.

i can't believe you said such a statement that covers anyone who is a cop. my cousin is a cop he is very fair very understanding to most peoples problems. he has two dogs that he loves a lot and he feels it's important for his daughter to be raised with animals. you have no right to say such a blanket statement like that.

Julie

12-07-2006, 08:40 AM

once i was at the beach with Chance and the kids and we had a 5 month old Rottie named Oya with us. a park ranger was walking by and Oya just stood up and the stupid so-and-so went for his gun and said "that's a good way to get shot", right in front of my kids, and he meant it. Oya was on a chain by our tent, didn't growl or anything, cops suck.

about 8 years ago i was walking our 5 year old Rottie, Bear, and saw a cop that lived in the apartment complex we were in, noticed he had some mace in his hand. he looked drunk and was staring at us, made me feel nervous, so i asked him about the mace claiming that i was considering buying some for my wife and wanted to know if it worked. he said "let's see" and sprayed it at us. luckily we were about 4 or 5 feet further away than the mace could go. yeah he harrassed alot of people there.

if you are a cop and you are reading this, you suck.

Most people that have problems with cops is because they are living a lifestyle that encourages cops to be in their business. Therefore they don't like them. I hope the people that are bashing on this thread never needs a cop to save their life.
People like you are the reason I am afraid to send my kids to school!!
You should be ashamed of yourself!

adoptashelterpettoday

12-07-2006, 09:21 AM

I have to agree saying someone should be shot and their families watch it on TV is an absolutly horrible statement to make about anyone.

A friend of my brother's who I grew up with is also a cop. He is fair and actually owns a Rottie and is a nice guy.

Sure a lot of cops are control freaks and have the job because they like to tell people what to do but a lot are caring people who genuinely (sp?) care about other people and yes animals sometimes too. They are people too and like all of us there is a lot of diversity.

I believe a lot of the laws we have are dumb too but I would NEVER EVER say about even my worst enemy that I wish they would get shot in the face. Not to be mean but maybe you should look at getting help if you are that angry?

YOu also have to keep in mind how many people actually train their dogs to specifically attack cops. I would be a little leery of dogs too if I had been attacked by one several times.

However, there is no excuse for any of the stories written on here.

PEOPLE are cruel toward animals, not just cops. I have heard a lot worse stories than someone shooting an innocent dog. If you are involved in rescue you know what I mean. At least the dog was "put out of it's misery" and didnt suffer a horrific death.

No, it doesnt excuse the cops behavior but I would much rather see something bad happen to the people who starve their animals or people who run puppy mills, or people who beat their animals, or children who light cats on fire, exc..

ETA-We also seem to forget that cops are only DOING THEIR JOB. They dont make the laws, they only enforce them. Yeah I have met some real jacka** cops, but I choose to believe that the majority of them are there because they care and they want to HELP people out (get crack addicts into rehab so they can straighten their lives out; jail the rapists, muders; help people recover their stolen property, exc..)

Again I dont believe in every law that this country has quite the opposite, I think a lot of the laws are wrong. But I am not going to hate someone who has nothing to do with putting them in place and spends their days on the streets protecting the public from murderers, rapists, and theifs. Think about what our life woul be like if no one wanted to enforce laws and people could just do whatever they like. It would be complete insanity.

oriondw

12-07-2006, 10:06 AM

In all my years interacting with cops, nothing good ever came out of it. I try my best to stay as far away from cops as I can.

Ironic thing is that cops are always there when you don't need them and are getting in the way, and are NEVER there when you do need them. I stopped relying on cops long time ago and rely on myself for protection...

I'm sure there are nice cops, its just I've never seen one. No matter how much people will tell you that cops are great, you can only go by your own experiences with them...

12-07-2006, 11:52 AM

A couple of my family's good friends are cops. They are lovely people and I would trust them with my dogs any day.

All the other cops I've met here have fit the stereotype, though (and no, I didn't meet them because I was getting in trouble!) I generally stay away.

Renee750il

12-07-2006, 12:10 PM

Maybe Canadian cops, Saje . . . We've had several cases just like that down here. A couple of them even made the Today show. Even the K9 dogs here aren't trained well - they'll bark at you as they drive by. It happens here all the time - I've seen it and even had them bark at me. Funny thing, though - they'll bark if I'm by myself, but if I have one of the Riot Grrrls or even Bimmer with me, they stay very, very quiet ;)

I had three cops who were hanging out on the corner stop me and ask me about Kharma the other day, and remark that her breed might make outstanding K9s . . . I had to tell them it wouldn't work . . . Filas would wreck the grade curve at the police academy :p One of 'em thought it was funny; one of them didn't think it was funny and the other one didn't get it :rolleyes:

Doberluv

12-07-2006, 12:39 PM

if you are a cop and you are reading this, you suck.

Don't ever say something like that again on this forum. That is a direct attack and won't be tolerated.

i can't believe you said such a statement that covers anyone who is a cop. my cousin is a cop he is very fair very understanding to most peoples problems. he has two dogs that he loves a lot and he feels it's important for his daughter to be raised with animals. you have no right to say such a blanket statement like that.
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That's like saying "all pit bulls suck." Most of us dispise generalizations about dogs. Well, this is no different. There are nice people and not nice people. Those stories are horrible and they were rotten people. And maybe there are more than a few rotten cops out there. But not all cops are like that. It's absolutely ignorant to think they are. There happens to be a cop on another forum I go on and she's the most kind, lovely person....is a reputable breeder and lover of dogs. She's kind and caring of people on that forum and that insults me too....those kinds of remarks.

My Grandfather had a GSD (always GSDs in our family) who was walking through town. This dog smiled when he was being friendly, which he was....a very friendly dog. A cop shot him dead, thinking he was growling. Stupid to not have even a rudimentary knowledge of a dog's body language. So sad. Another bad apple. But that still doesn't warrant generalizations.

missbeckydee

12-07-2006, 01:38 PM

if you are a cop and you are reading this, you suck.

I can't believe you said that! I'm really sorry about the experiences that you've had, and those officers definately need to be disciplined. However, to make such a broad statement is hateful and ignorant. My dad, stepmom, two uncles, cousin, aunt, and very good friend (he's on the SWAT team) are all cops. They are all wonderful people who would never hurt a fly. You don't even know them and yet think so low of them. How is that possible? They go to work everyday protecting those who take them for granted, but then when people who think "cops suck" have their car stolen, have their house broken into, etc. who do they call?

pancho

12-07-2006, 01:54 PM

The cops shot this teen to death because he stole 2 ps3s from another teen...they shot him because he had a controller in his hand. If your playing the PS3 your obviously going to have it's remote in your hand. But that's not all...they shot his dog to death and the dog never attempted to attack them!! Now the case is getting investigated. I Can't Stand Cops!!

And another time the cops stopped a guy on the highway took him out his car put a beating on him arrested him. The dog ran out the car and started barking..not once attacked just barked, they shot the dog to death because it was a pitbull terrier. Then when they got a really good look at the guy they beat the hell out of it turned out it was a mistake! This was an innocent man with a dead dog. He said "My dog never attacked once, How dare they kill him! He was the most friendliest dog I've ever had and my only bestfriend."

I can't stand cases like this!:mad: I was in tears!!:(

It might be a very good idea to read the entire story before making any statements. The person who robbed the others used a gun and assaulted them also. He also had a web site featuring him and others with many weapons stating what they planned to do. The police contacted his family and friends and they all considered him very dangerous. He had told them and posted on a web site how he would kill others. When the police showed up they would not open the door. He also came running from another room as they went through the door with an object in his hands.
There is a lot more to the story. Before making any decision it would be better to read the rest of the story. This was not just a kid who stole a toy.

DoggyLuva1128

12-07-2006, 02:52 PM

It might be a very good idea to read the entire story before making any statements. The person who robbed the others used a gun and assaulted them also. He also had a web site featuring him and others with many weapons stating what they planned to do. The police contacted his family and friends and they all considered him very dangerous. He had told them and posted on a web site how he would kill others. When the police showed up they would not open the door. He also came running from another room as they went through the door with an object in his hands.
There is a lot more to the story. Before making any decision it would be better to read the rest of the story. This was not just a kid who stole a toy.

The article I read said exactly what I wrote. There wasn't more info to it. If I knew there was more to it I would've read the rest. But it gives them no right to shoot the dog to death, like I stated earlier cops should carry with a traquilizer gun for animals. Animals should never be killed even if they are trained to attack cops..it's not their fault! I have nothing against cops either because my uncle is a leutenant (sp?) (I have other fam working as cops as well) at precinct 3 and he truely has a big heart and I've let him know how I feel about cops shooting animals. Cops should have tranquilizers for animals.

And for prior posts before this, I agree every cop is different. We are all human with very different attitudes, opinions, and personalities. There's no reason to put down all cops, everyone is their own person, no two people are exactly a like. Many people have had bad and good experiences with cops but it's not in our place to discriminate all of them based on our interactions with some of them. We must be open at mind and not be biased. ;)

pancho

12-07-2006, 04:13 PM

The article I read said exactly what I wrote. There wasn't more info to it. If I knew there was more to it I would've read the rest. But it gives them no right to shoot the dog to death, like I stated earlier cops should carry with a traquilizer gun for animals. Animals should never be killed even if they are trained to attack cops..it's not their fault! I have nothing against cops either because my uncle is a leutenant (sp?) (I have other fam working as cops as well) at precinct 3 and he truely has a big heart and I've let him know how I feel about cops shooting animals. Cops should have tranquilizers for animals.

And for prior posts before this, I agree every cop is different. We are all human with very different attitudes, opinions, and personalities. There's no reason to put down all cops, everyone is their own person, no two people are exactly a like. Many people have had bad and good experiences with cops but it's not in our place to discriminate all of them based on our interactions with some of them. We must be open at mind and not be biased. ;)

My comment was about the shooting of the thief, not the dog.

DoggyLuva1128

12-07-2006, 04:17 PM

My comment was about the shooting of the thief, not the dog.

I was upset about the dog not the person lol

Julie

12-07-2006, 08:49 PM

You know being a cop is more than having a big head, it is more than having authority, it is more than worrying if everyone likes you, when you do your job and do it right you can make many enemies. I deal with that crap every day of my life. And you can also make many long time friends.
When generalizations are made about cops, it seems most agree. When generalizations are made about anything else, including dog breeds......Many people stand up for themselves, their dogs, their families.

Well I am here to say,... I didn't marry a cop. I married a mason, you know concrete.... Well that mason took a pay cut to become a cop. He wanted to. He wanted to serve. He is now Sergeant and head of our k9 division. Hate dogs? I don't think so. Shoot dogs? Yes once. The dog had been hit by a car. No collar, No tags, and the owner couldn't be found with knocking on all the neighborhood doors. The dogs back was clearly broken in two. Could not lift his head, and his body looked like an L. But was still alive and quietly moaning. Nobody wanted to end this dogs suffering along the road.....So my husband did. Do I find that inhumane? No, I find that he did something he didn't want to do, but felt he had to so the dog wouldn't be in pain. Sometimes things and situations can be very different when you are there.
The general public doesn't see the kind of things an officer can/will have to put up with.

The time a person on a routine traffic stop...would not stop until he pulled into his own driveway...Pulled a gun and shot at my husband. Yes my husband shot him......in the shoulder, he ran into the backdoor and left his aggressive GSD out to attack my husband, before he passed out inside of his house. The GSD did try to attack my husband......Did this cop shoot the dog?
NO! He hit the dog in the head with the stock of his shotgun. The dog then retreated. Would I agree with shooting this dog? Under the circumstances YES. But he didn't do it. Did he make the news for not shooting the dog? No. .. Would he have made the news if he would have shot the dog? Probably. (Although he did make the news for the altercation with the person.)

As for tranqualizing an aggressive dog, instead of using your service weapon?
That is really not an option in most cases. I mean really....Do you think an officer is also supposed to carry a dart gun on his belt including everything else he/she is required to wear....that is just not an option. And when a dog aggresses there is really no time for.........Oh wait, just a minute dog...I need to retrieve my tranqualizer gun from my vehicle. :rolleyes: You do what you have to do in the moment........And I am not saying all cops are worthy or great role models.......BUT some are! I KNOW my husband would take a bullet for his family, for his fellow officers.....and even for a piece of trash on the street. That is just the way he is.
He does many demonstrations in local schools, his main objective is to make friends with the kids and undo the ideas that Some parents put into their children's heads. Which is really a sorry thing when parents instill the values that an officer is a bad thing.
Did you ever hear a parent say: "You better be good, or that cop will come and get you" Well that is my biggest pet peeve! Cops in general are not bad, it is values that are instilled in our children from parents that make them bad...... Unless of course you are a criminal.....then the laws and cops should be able to protect us from you. Not the other way around.

Anyway I am very proud of my husband......Here is just one picture from a demonstration. He has done about 90 in the last three years.... to children that could be just like yours..........
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b10/e462/Demo.jpg
The children always seem very pleased to learn about Rocket, and how to protect themselves against predators. It is lighthearted and a fun experience... And yes a Cop even teaches them about dog care and a little dog training.
I just wish people would quit generalizing about cops..........That is one of the few professions that a generalization can get you killed.

I also don't care if you like me or my cop husband, but I do deserve some respect and the poster that would like to see my husband shot on tv in front of my family........[mod edit]

SiNNiK

12-08-2006, 12:32 AM

I also don't care if you like me or my cop husband, but I do deserve some respect and the poster that would like to see my husband shot on tv in front of my family........

good for you, glad you have the rare "good cop", too bad he can't control his buddies who kick in people's doors and drop keys of coke on their living room floor then bust them and they go to prison for life. i know for a fact it happens.

too bad your good cop can't control his buddies when they start shooting people with rubber bullets for just coming out of a bar because it was closing time. it happened in Austin about 3 years ago. they shot little kids too that were out celebrating halloween with their parents on 6th street, the son's of gutless biznatches.

and i see how they act on the east side too, trying to throw people on the ground and push them around, is what happened when they shot 18 year old Daniel Rocha in June 2005, no i wasn't there but i know that area and cops are jackasses and i'd BET you that's exactly what happened that's why officer Schroeder's camera was off and her descriptoin didn't add up to why Daniel Rocha was shot in the BACK if he was attacking her like she said.

every time i hear about a cop dying in the line of duty, i wonder how far that cop had to push before someone snapped.

and as for defending yourself, i'd think less of you if you didn't.

Jules

12-08-2006, 01:06 AM

every time i hear about a cop dying in the line of duty, i wonder how far that cop had to push before someone snapped.

Yes, the world is SO good and everybody lives in peace and harmony....that's exactly why we need cops, too :rolleyes:
I think everyone here has said that there are bad and good cops...but to stereotype like the way you do...that's plain scary!

Your responses to someone whose husband is a cop is really disrespectful and downright rude. You are right, we don't need name calling from anyone and I am not saying that it was right. But to hope that cops get shot- that is horrible.

That's like saying that you are against the war and you hope that all service members who fight in it, die.

:mad: :rolleyes:

pancho

12-08-2006, 05:58 AM

I was a witness to a man using a stun gun on a dog. I don't know his skill with the stun gun or the strength of the stun gun. I do know it didn't even slow the dog down. If there would not have been someone to pull the dog off of the man he would not be around today. I can guarantee he will not ever take the chance on using a stun gun on a dog again.

DanL

12-08-2006, 08:04 AM

Sinnik, your name says it all. You have obviously had some bad experience with cops, or you just have a bad opinion about them without any experience. Get to know a cop on a personal level, it will change your view. One of my best friends is a cop. He's a good cop. My dog trainer is a K9 cop. Another good cop. Another friend of mine is a cop, he's good too. These 3 guys are all from different agencies too- state, county, local. I'd trust any one of them in any situation.

Are their bad ones out there who abuse their authority? Sure. They are looked down upon by the good cops and don't last long, at least here.

We don't know what the situation is with this cop, the criminal, or the dog. The papers always slant it one way or another. Our paper here is notorious for printing what they want and leaving important facts out so they can create sensational headlines and sell paper. Remember the adage- there are 3 sides to a story, your side, my side, and the truth.

missbeckydee

12-08-2006, 01:08 PM

Remember the adage- there are 3 sides to a story, your side, my side, and the truth.

That is so true. I remember my dad telling me a story about news reporters interviewing him on a case and they told him that he'd be better off telling them the whole truth because if not they'd "just make it up."

DoggyLuva1128

12-08-2006, 02:24 PM

ToscasMom

12-08-2006, 02:27 PM

Since he killed the dog for nothing, I'm really sorry the dog didn't take some pieces off of him first.

LargeDogBreedz

12-12-2006, 03:57 PM

I believe there are alot of cops that get a bad rap over shooting non-suspecting dogs. I know most cops out there are dog lovers and have to make judgement calls on matters to where their life may be on the line with dogs that want to knaw their arms off. I think in these situations, tazer guns would be appropriate, but killing is totally out of the picture unless the dog is old and extremely agressive.

Jules

12-14-2006, 01:27 PM

When it comes to police everyone is always going to have their own opinions. Sometimes some people don't even want to bother to try and get to know a cop bcuz of their many terrible experiences...we cannot change how someone feels about something/someone so it's just best to agree to disagree.

Let me re-write this using a different example.

When it comes to APBTs everyone is always going to have their own opinions. Sometimes some people don't even want to bother to try and get to know an APBT because of their many terrible experiences... we cannot change how someone feels about something/someone so it's just best to agree to disagree.

See how ignorant that statement is? Nobody here said that all cops are good. I made bad experiences with cops. So what.. I also made some good ones. Not to make generalizations is the key here. Otherwise you are just breeding hate and ignorance.

Road dog

12-14-2006, 06:17 PM

It's the few that ruin the reputation of the many. I happen to know four law enforcement officers on a personal level. Of those four, three of them are level headed, down to earth, hard working family men who take a great deal of pride in what they do. All have been threatened with guns and knives many times, and one has taken a bullet.

One of them carries teddy bears in the trunk of his partol car to help comfort children when he responds to domestic violence calls. One volounteers in the Big Brother program. One is a GSD rescue volounteer. All are active members of the community when they are OUT of uniform, as well as in.

The fourth officer I know (incedently also a family member) is the one who ruins it for everybody. I can't stand talking to him because he acts like the highlight of his job is when he gets to rough somebody up.

DoggyLuva1128

12-14-2006, 11:25 PM

Let me re-write this using a different example.

When it comes to APBTs everyone is always going to have their own opinions. Sometimes some people don't even want to bother to try and get to know an APBT because of their many terrible experiences... we cannot change how someone feels about something/someone so it's just best to agree to disagree.

See how ignorant that statement is? Nobody here said that all cops are good. I made bad experiences with cops. So what.. I also made some good ones. Not to make generalizations is the key here. Otherwise you are just breeding hate and ignorance.

How is my statement stupid? It's my opinion, just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it stupid. And my statement was not referred to you so you did not have to reply. What I was saying is that not everyone is going to agree, so can we just leave it at that?? I brought up this discussion and now I'm gonna take myself out of it because it seems that some peoples ideas are clashing!!

DoggyLuva1128

12-14-2006, 11:25 PM

muggsies16

12-15-2006, 08:12 AM

I personally believe that there are a few peices missing, in this post!

But again, I am biast due to my Son being a Police Service Officer!

Now the kid with the remote control, I will assume did not listen too instructions. All Officer's MUST state who they are, why they are there, to put the weapon down! He or she gives them ample time to obey! Now, if they do not, and the Officer feels his life is in danger, and or someone elses life is in danger! He has no choice but too pull his revolver, and shoot! Now he or she did not need to kill the kid! But it has happened. Remember, we all play a part in our drama.

Now as far as the second situation, again we do not know the whole situation, we hear of a guy getting pulled over and beaten up, but why was that? I again am not saying that it was right, but we are only hearing peices of the story. Now, as far as the dog is concerned, it jumped out of the car, and started too bark, Again put yourself in this positiion. The dog was shot, due to an aggressive, attack or assumed attack.

I am not making excuses, at all for anyone. I am just saying that we have heard the bad part of the situation, but have not heard, the spacific's of why it happened, or what were the curcomstances, that caused the situation!

I know my son has had to defend himself on may occaisions, I know all of his Officers would never cross the line! My son would eat them up alive, for acting out of contex!

I guess when you are a mother of a Police Officer, you know that nothing gets, over turned and over looked. All areas are to be secured, and documented. Sure you have a bunch of Good Cops then it takes one bad apple too, ruin it for them! Mind you that bad Cop will be repremanded!
Dismissed, with or with out pay. He will have to go up against the Police Board of Director's! If charges are assumed and or Placed on an Officer, he is in more trouble, than the a civilian that gets charged!

All, I am saying here, and this is a wise old lady, talking not a mother of a Cop. No matter the situation, there are always 3 sides to a story, Yours, mine and then the real truth!

So when we get out and start talking about stuff, we have to make sure that what we are saying can be backed up. What do I mean backed up, backed up with the truth. So since we were not there in either, situation we can not make a judgement call! We have to have facts, and not fiction, or exageration as my son would say!In a stern and grumpy way!

Jules

12-15-2006, 09:35 AM

How is my statement stupid? It's my opinion, just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it stupid. And my statement was not referred to you so you did not have to reply. What I was saying is that not everyone is going to agree, so can we just leave it at that?? I brought up this discussion and now I'm gonna take myself out of it because it seems that some peoples ideas are clashing!!

Okay... I did not say that your post was stupid. I said, I found it ignorant, because you generalize ALL cops based on your few experiences. I think it is sad that good people that are risking their lives are talked about like this. One bad cop does not make the whole police department evil, that was my point.

casablanca1

12-15-2006, 11:32 AM

I made bad experiences with cops. So what.. I also made some good ones. Not to make generalizations is the key here. Otherwise you are just breeding hate and ignorance.

Not to agree or disagree with either of you, but how are we supposed to ever have a conversation if the act of offering an opinion based on personal experience is considered inappropriate? There are opinions which clearly 'breed hate and ignorance,' - if you were to say that members of a particular gender or race were subhuman, for example. But saying that all women are bad drivers, or all Asians are smart, is not the same thing. Saying that all cops suck may not be accurate or fair, but it's not the extreme, unacceptable language some people seem to believe. Generalizations aren't hate language, and aren't inappropriate. They're the normal way people learn to get along in the world. We generalize that stovetops are hot, dogs are friendly, cats are aloof, etc. If every cop you've ever met is a jerk, maybe you live in an area with a rotten police force. Or maybe you're an adversarial twerp who always aggravates cops - either way, it's sensible to be wary of them. The stupid thing would be to disregard the evidence of your experience and senses in pursuit of fairness. Life isn't fair.

Jules

12-15-2006, 02:02 PM

All I said was that I think that it is so to generalize and have prejudices against ANY group of animals, people, etc. All Pits are aggressive, all Cops suck, all Southern people are racists.... you get my idea.

I didn't grow up this way. My parents taught me to give everyone a chance individually.

RedyreRottweilers

12-15-2006, 03:10 PM

once i was at the beach with Chance and the kids and we had a 5 month old Rottie named Oya with us. a park ranger was walking by and Oya just stood up and the stupid so-and-so went for his gun and said "that's a good way to get shot", right in front of my kids, and he meant it. Oya was on a chain by our tent, didn't growl or anything, cops suck.

about 8 years ago i was walking our 5 year old Rottie, Bear, and saw a cop that lived in the apartment complex we were in, noticed he had some mace in his hand. he looked drunk and was staring at us, made me feel nervous, so i asked him about the mace claiming that i was considering buying some for my wife and wanted to know if it worked. he said "let's see" and sprayed it at us. luckily we were about 4 or 5 feet further away than the mace could go. yeah he harrassed alot of people there.

if you are a cop and you are reading this, you suck.

Nice job lumping every law enforcement officer into the category with this jerk you are describing.

Law enforcement officers make it possible for you to have the life you have. If not for LEOs, this country would descend into anarchy and mayhem worse than it already is.

Yes, there are cops and LEO's who make bad decisions, and probably should not have a badge, but IMO the good ones FAR outweigh the bad.

Let's hope you don't fit in some group that people have a lot of preconceived notions about.

;)

SiNNiK

12-15-2006, 03:45 PM

Nice job lumping every law enforcement officer into the category with this jerk you are describing.

Law enforcement officers make it possible for you to have the life you have. If not for LEOs, this country would descend into anarchy and mayhem worse than it already is.

Yes, there are cops and LEO's who make bad decisions, and probably should not have a badge, but IMO the good ones FAR outweigh the bad.

Let's hope you don't fit in some group that people have a lot of preconceived notions about.

;)

there are generalizations for everything and every group, at least my generalization isn't that i victimize innocent people, shoot people's dogs, or apprehend suspects and beat the crap out of them once they are handcuffed.

google Officer Gray/Heilman and watch them beat Ramon Hernandez into a pile of mush. yeah Ramon was a crook, but once you have the suspect in custody, you don't get "free shots" just because you're angry. in a job such as a police officer, you have to in control of yourself at all times, if you can't, you should get a job slingin french fires instead

i'm glad that you have such a positive outlook on life, but not eveyone lives in Mayberry.

:D

P.S.
there's another thread on here that is a fine example of our police force here in Texas. just so you know.

http://chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42791

RedyreRottweilers

12-15-2006, 03:50 PM

I understand that there are bad examples of law enforcement officers.

It is NOT RIGHT to lump them all into one category.

If you choose to do so, have at it.

Not right tho.

whatszmatter

12-15-2006, 04:04 PM

P.S.
there's another thread on here that is a fine example of our police force here in Texas. just so you know.

http://chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42791

oh no, somebody shot a stray dog that was charging them, I'd shoot it too, would that make me a cop too? It seems the ball was dropped by the people who care for animals for a living, those bastards, all of 'em

SiNNiK

12-15-2006, 04:13 PM

oh no, somebody shot a stray dog that was charging them, I'd shoot it too, would that make me a cop too? It seems the ball was dropped by the people who care for animals for a living, those bastards, all of 'em

i don't know you well enough to tell, but it looks like to me that you believe everything a cop says.

and the fact that he shot it isn't "the story", it's that they let it die slowly, without medical care. and i bet it was because he was mad at the dog.

sounds like we're dealing with "super-cop syndrome" and the guy would serve society better by asking people if they want fries with their order.

missbeckydee

12-15-2006, 06:44 PM

SiNNiK

12-15-2006, 07:53 PM

Sinnik-

Do you have personal experiences with these bad cops, or are you basing everything off of what the news tells you?

I don't know you well enough to tell, but it looks to me like you believe everything the news says.

personal experience.

i don't know you well enough to tell, but it looks like it's past your bedtime and you should go clean your room before brushing your teeth and going to sleep.

Baahh.

missbeckydee

12-16-2006, 08:51 AM

personal experience.

i don't know you well enough to tell, but it looks like it's past your bedtime and you should go clean your room before brushing your teeth and going to sleep.

Baahh.

Man...that hurt. I would've expected a better comeback from you. I'm slightly disappointed. Anywho, sorry about the experience but what you are doing is profiling. And profiling is wrong. Cliche, but true. I feel really sorry for you, cuz you must either have really bad luck or just give the cops a reason to target you. Might be your attitude, FYI.

whatszmatter

12-16-2006, 09:06 AM

i don't know you well enough to tell, but it looks like to me that you believe everything a cop says.

and the fact that he shot it isn't "the story", it's that they let it die slowly, without medical care. and i bet it was because he was mad at the dog.

sounds like we're dealing with "super-cop syndrome" and the guy would serve society better by asking people if they want fries with their order.

The only thing I believed was that the cop shot the dog, if it was running at large and threatened him or not nobodywill ever know. But the super cop syndrome didn't come into play, he died at the animal control center with people that are supposed to care for animals, not with the cop, big difference.

DoggyLuva1128

12-21-2006, 06:54 PM

Okay... I did not say that your post was stupid. I said, I found it ignorant, because you generalize ALL cops based on your few experiences. I think it is sad that good people that are risking their lives are talked about like this. One bad cop does not make the whole police department evil, that was my point.

I never generalized any cops, i never said any of them were bad or good. I mentioned that everyone has diff opinions of cops. I also said I have family who are police officers, sargents, and detectives. I never claimed any of them were evil, I also said everyone cop is diff. and not all are bad!

boxerbaby

12-21-2006, 10:30 PM

:popcorn:
At least this site has an entertainment section:rolleyes:

sundog

12-22-2006, 09:33 AM

My daughter was engaged to marry a guy. A few things were going wrong, but when the guy was mean to her dogs...
She was outta that relationship!

SizzleDog

12-23-2006, 01:52 PM

The cops inmy hometown LOVE Ilsa, and a few cops who come by my workplace also know (and love) my dogs. A group of cops even invited Ilsa to a training session. My dogs are celbrated and loved by the cops that know them.

That said, I have had a cop draw his pistol when he approached my car on a traffic stop (I had a blown taillight and didn't know it)... I had both Dobermans in the backseat - is this why the cop felt it necessary to approach my car with his gun drawn? Once he saw that I had a barrier separating the backseat from the front seats he put the gun away, but it still made me uncomfortable.

There are good cops and there are bad cops, just like there are good bus drivers and back bus drivers, good waitresses and bad waitresses, good landlords and bad landlords. The difference is, bus drivers and waitresses and landlords can't make a decision to kill you or your pets. I stay away from cops when I'm driving with my dogs, simply because my dogs WILL bark and protect me if someone approaches my car and acts "gruff" to me - and I don't want my dogs shot.

mysilverlining

01-02-2007, 03:55 PM

squirtsmom

01-02-2007, 05:08 PM

There are some good cops.

boxerbaby

01-02-2007, 07:11 PM

You have to realize that anyone who says that they've only ever had bad experiences with "cops", and that they all suck or are bad either has his eyes closed to what's going on and sees only what he wants, or is a person who really has social issues and probably has been less than an honest or decent individual.

I think that all of us realize that there are instances when the judgements of law enforcement were bad, or even downright evil. I think that all of us realize that these are in the minority and that there are good officers out there too. I'm sure many of us can give examples of how we were helped by law officials, and I'm sure that there are many who have never had any personal interaction with police because of no circumstances that required it. Don't let a couple of screwballs get you all riled up. They're not worth it.

That is just as much a blanket statement as them people saying all cops suck. I have never been in any trouble, (other then a few minor traffic violations like speeding or tail light out) I have NEVER been arrested, or had them called on me for some thing, or any thing else. I have never had any help from them either. I have had nothing but bad expiriences with them if I had any reason for them to be around. I don't care for cops, I wouldn't call them for some thing either, why would I? They have never been of any help Sorry to ruin your theory. I am not a person with social issues, I also am a decent AND honest person.
On any occation being stopped, whether it was to warn me for speeding (I have only had 1 speeding ticket) or tell me I had a light out, they have been rude, sarcastic, loud, agressive, and overly athoritive. I would have expected it if I was giving them an attitude, but I was raised to respect my elders, and mind athority figures, ect. ect. I answered their quetions with yes sir.. no sir... So, I shouldn't be treated like A criminal for a break light out. Yet, when they notice I am nervious (their cops and all, even if I am not doing any thing wrong they still make me feel I am.) they get pushy and try to intimidate me, I have been told that they could give me a ticket or a summons for that offense, or he could arrest me for that. So, now they think their being so great for not giving me a ticket for going 5 miles an hour over.
I did once file a complaint with one officer for harrassment. He was really being a scum bag, and offered to over look a speeding ticket and take care of it if I took care of him. I was terrified, as he pointed out that we were in the middle of no where so no one would ever have to know. That was the only time I have ever had an attitude, I was scared of him and he knew it. So I just said thanks I will pay the ticket and tried to act unintimidated. He told me how cute I was when I was mad and loved to have long hair like mine in his fists and wraped around his leg when he got his penis (Definately not the term he used) sucked. After refusing he got bored with scaring me and figured I was scared and wouldn't report it. I reported him for it. His boss didn't treat me any better and pretty much called me a spoiled lying brat. He did drop the ticket and the cop got suspended for a week mabey, WITH PAY!
I don't think I am a person with social issues and caused them to be nasty with me, yet I have had bad expiriences with them and don't care for them in general, of coarse they are all not like that, or "bad"
I called a cop once. Long story behind this big situation. Short verson of it, I had to have some one watch my dog (cats) while I was in the hospital giving birth to my daughter, I hemeraged and had to stay a while longer, I was also 2 weeks early so after leaving the hospital we had to stay some where for a while where I couldn't have the pets, she agreed to watch my dog as long as we needed her to, it may have been up to 3 months, we paid for food and every thing. After 2 weeks (what she was supposed to in the first place) she told me she wouldn't be able to give him back. Her and her sister wouldn't answer the door if I went there or they would hide him so I couldn't even see him. Then she went out of state for the SUMMER and left him at her place alone, her sister went once a day to let him out and feed him, BTW this dog I got as a rescue from the shelter I volunteered for when he was about 3 or 4 weeks old. 3 out of 5 died. He was now 10 years old, and going blind, and she left him for over a month. When I found out I made her sister give him to me, I had him back home with me for 5 weeks when her sister came back and was upset I had my dog back. Her and her sister came to my house and put him in their car and drove off with him, he was out side, so they just stole him! I knew who did it, where they lived, where the dog was, and the cop didn't do any thing about it. He told me to get any thing I had to prove he was mine together and he would see what he could do, I got all of the paper work I had on him in the 10 years, like most of his licenses, rabies, his neuter certificate, and I even had his adoption papers, I know the girl who stole him, never even took him to a vets once, or any thing else nothing saying any thing. I took the day off and waited for him, he never showed up. He blow me off 2 or 3 more times. I never saw my dog again, she would keep him hidden, or was never home. I never got to see him again, he died a couple months later. I never got to say good bye, or tell him I love him. She wont even tell me where he is so I can say bye. I have no closure. All because it was just a stupid dog, that the cop didn't want to waste his time with, I had every thing to prove it and even where they were, and they still would do any thing about it. If he would have done some thing I could have spent the last few months with him, gotten to say good bye, ect. It will be 3 years in feb. that he has been gone and I still can't get over it. It feels like it happened yesterday. I can't help think if that cop would have just came and seen me, I could have been able to say bye, and let him go. I still cry every time I think about him!
So, yeah I don't care for most cops and I haven't given them a reason to act they way they have, I have just had bad expiriences with them.

So much for the short verson, sorry about that, LOL! But given that I had all his liscenses and rabbies, couldn't he have done any thing? Am I wrong to think he could have done some thing?
But any way, these are the expiriences I have had, and I'm not a dishonest, undecent criminal mad at a cop for arresting me and pushing me around after being caught in an armed robbery or some thing.

mysilverlining

01-02-2007, 07:23 PM

boxerbaby

01-02-2007, 10:02 PM

So, in your instance you appear to fall into the first category. If you think people haven't had good experiences and there are not any good cops than your eyes are closed and you are only seeing what you want to see. Sorry you had bad experiences, but not all of us have.

Need I remind, cops are humans, not a strange alien species. All have their good and bad.

I don't really need you to remind me any thing. You don't need to tell me what catatgory I fall into either.
My eyes aren't closed to any thing, I know there are a lot of words and you might not have all night to try and figure them all out, but if you did, all I was saying was blanket statements such as yours aren't any better then the people saying all cops suck. All your are doing is the exact same thing saying all people who have had bad expiriences are social degenerates that aren't decent people and liars, that sounds as stupid as some one saying all cops suck.
Again if you had taken the time to read it, and not just scan it to your preception, I wasn't saying cops suck, ect, ect. I also said they aren't all like that, or all bad.:rolleyes: My point was only that I have only had bad expiriences with them even though that blows your theory on only bad people have had bad expiriences or they are liars. oh, or they have their eyes closed. I know there is a lot there to decipher, but if you are going to act like you have any qualifications to analyze people, you might want to read the whole thing and figure out what was said. Try to know what you are talking about before you tell some one what kind of a person they are.

mabey I should outline the parts in my post to shorten it for you, I never said people have only had bad expiriences or have I said all cops are bad. I was just saying my expiriences, and how all I have had are bad ones AND I am not a social degenerate or deliquient, and I still have only had bad expiriences. In one part I even said not all were bad, Guess ya didn't read that part.