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Chul3l3ies1126

10-31-2006, 11:10 AM

skyeboxer

10-31-2006, 11:15 AM

'Two brand new litters ready to go. Great for Christmas presents.'

That would be my cue to leave right there.

Chul3l3ies1126

10-31-2006, 11:19 AM

Yea when I saw that I was like oooookay. Not good to give a pup as a christmas present if someone isn't ready. Especially someone that doesnt know about the breed. One thing though, do the dogs look just beautiful to you? Or are they somewhat tooo muscular? I beleived that is the way they are supposed to be bred. Just a question...

skyeboxer

10-31-2006, 11:22 AM

I love pitties Chul and they look beautiful to me but I don't really know anything at all about the breed so couldn't really comment. I just followed your link out of curiosity (and procrastination. I AM supposed to be working) but I'd have serious doubts about any breeder that was willing to sell pups as Christmas present much less the breeders of a breed that has so many cards stacked against it already.

Renee750il

10-31-2006, 11:26 AM

Some of the people from Game-dog's site can probably give you some excellent guidance on what to look for. They will also ask you some important and probing questions about why you want an APBT and how you are prepared to be a responsible and knowledgeable owner of one.

LizzieCollie

10-31-2006, 11:40 AM

Pit bulls arent supposed to be such massive dogs, and they are breeding them way too big. A 4 month pup is not supposed to be 60 pounds.

The dogs are gorgeous looking, but the whole "Christmas Presents" and the page really gives me a bad feel. I dont see any achievements on the dogs page, just 'big head, ex weight, etc.'

Chul3l3ies1126

10-31-2006, 11:44 AM

That's kinda what I thought. But then someone said that they are supposed to be that big. From the breed standards, they are not supposed to be that massive, so i'm not sure what is going on. Another thing, can dogs be given steroids?

Chul3l3ies1126

10-31-2006, 11:52 AM

http://dogtopsites.com/pitbullheat/index.php?m=top&s=out&ID=1140413964.0795

Okay, this got me... Is it good for any breeder to have over 10 males and females? Just wondering. It looks like each dog is tied up to a different part of the yard, it does not look good. All are hooked on to a pole or something with a big chain. But yea, if someone can tell me about the number of breeding dogs, that would be nice thanks.

elegy

10-31-2006, 12:00 PM

yuck, more overdone razor's edge dogs.

Chul3l3ies1126

10-31-2006, 12:05 PM

Okay you all, sorry for all the site posts, but I'm bored and waiting to leave to work so I was looking at all the sites. I'm going to post one more. IS THIS RIGHT?! Look at the picture there, the female Pit Bull is tied and hooked to that contraption in order to force her to stand to breed. I believe that is just wrong and sick, or is it something breeders do?
http://dogtopsites.com/pitbullheat/index.php?m=top&s=out&ID=1115153279.6076

Jules

10-31-2006, 02:00 PM

Some are 100+ lbs. That's just sad.

adoptashelterpettoday

10-31-2006, 02:15 PM

This guy on their "males page" This is our new stud "Azzurri Blu aka "Rhino"
"Sire: Imperial's "Low-Low"
Dam: Infamous Imperial's Knotty Dread
"Rhino is pictured at 11 months and is showing a lot of potential. He's SHORT, thick & his head is 22 inches and growing."

doesnt even look like a pit to me, it looks more like a bull terrier x pit cross to me.

None of their dogs are close to the standard, they all look way too short & way too fat/bulky. Not to mention studies have shown that certain breeds with one or both blue eyes prone to deafness should not be bred because they will produce deaf dogs..

Maybe I am nuts but THIS is what PB should look like ..

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k242/adoptarkansas/mrjet.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k242/adoptarkansas/jetbydoor.jpg

Then again I dont breed, I rescue. This fellow is actually my current foster.

I also cant believe how much they are charging for those dogs! Come to my shelter and I can get you a nicer looking pit for $90. (all vetting included) That's where I got the handsome fellow I just posted and they were going to kill him very soon.

IMO they are ugly and dont seem to fit the standard, again I am a rescuer not a breeder though.

Chrissy&B

10-31-2006, 02:30 PM

LOL :D ..... quote: "Rhino" is now available for stud service. Service fee $2,500

LinkLinx

10-31-2006, 03:16 PM

I don't see the Bull Terrier/Pit cross you're talking about, Adopt.

People are breeding Pits to their own liking these days, and they are one of the hardest breeds to find a breeder for, which is partly why I stay away from them now (along with the controversy and disrespect, among other things). Anyone selling a Pit over 90 pounds to me is selling ego boosters. Those dogs seem very front heavy to me. That doesn't necessarily mean they are mixed though. But personally, I can always do without a "Pit Bull" being called an APBT, and then having mastiff heads, complete with loose jowels and very wide heads.

I don't like lowrider APBT's either. I have Staffies, that's lower than an APBT should be, and I have seen people passing dogs lower than my Staffies off as "pure APBT's". Just irks me to no end.

rabbitsarebetter

10-31-2006, 03:26 PM

where i work (collie breeder)
we would never ever use that thing for breeding.
that looks horrible...
and those are NOT pitts!
that person is wrong for doing what they are doing

GHOST

10-31-2006, 03:26 PM

those are Not pit bulls,,,, the ADBA are looking into pulling the paperwork on all razor edge and gotti dogs due to the fact they are mixed breeds

they are not bettering a breed by mix breeding,,
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/ghost8989/IM000836.jpg

LinkLinx

10-31-2006, 03:36 PM

Just because they are stocky dogs does not mean they are mixes. Provided, many of those large dogs you see are, they aren't all mixed with something else.

Muggie'sMum

10-31-2006, 04:06 PM

Bahamutt99

10-31-2006, 06:18 PM

These dogs are supposed to be athletes, not cinder blocks. Any site that advertises their dog's head size is suspect. And blue eyes are a fault, not a selling point. Also beware anybody who's asking $1800 for a puppy from parents who aren't titled or health-tested. They're selling an image, not a well-bred dog.

On the other hand, I wouldn't fault a breeder over how many dogs they keep. That may just mean they keep more out of a litter than just one pup. Its more about how many dogs they produce and sell to the public. However, if you see that along with the other warning signs, its a safe bet they aren't out there to better the breed.

And that's a breeding stand. Some use it to breed a very hot or very squirmy bitch who wont hold still for the stud. I wont say whether its right or wrong.

Miakoda

10-31-2006, 11:27 PM

Just because they are stocky dogs does not mean they are mixes. Provided, many of those large dogs you see are, they aren't all mixed with something else.

Actually, if they have the name "Razor's Edge" in their pedigree, they ARE mixes. Not only was it rumored & wondered about for a long time, but founder of the line, Dave Wilson, just recently came out & admitted that other breeds such as the English Bulldog & Neo Mastiff (just to name 2) were INDEED outcrossed to in the "making" of his line. Thus, these dogs are all mutts. He is now referring to his line of dogs as American Bullys.

As far as the website/breeder goes that the OP asked about, the first thing that stood out was the word "pitt". First off, a "pit" is a hole in the ground, not a dog. Second, it is only spelled with one "t".

Considering their breeding stock is ONLY bred for looks (& most have crappy temperaments w/HA beginning to run rampant) & are mixed breed dogs to boot, I'd chalk them up to just another typical byb & peddler trying to avoid having to get a real job & breeding any creature with the proper genetalia. It appears they are in the business of breeding these dogs b/c it's "cool" & it keeps their wallets full.

Bahamutt is right. The APBT is an athletic working breed, no an English Bulldog/Neo Mastiff cross with cropped ears. Compare a well bred APBT to their mutts & tell me what you think:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/Miakoda15/miakoda.jpg
42lbs here
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/Miakoda15/oldrexpic.jpg
53lbs here

IMO, they are the type of crap that is not only detrimental to the APBT as a breed, but are repsonsible for BSL & government legislation over our dogs. They don't care one bit that the APBT has a set in stone standard, nor do they care that peddling puppies is wrong & disguisting. I truly get sickened when I see "breeders" like this.

10-31-2006, 11:38 PM

Ugh, I hate the look of those dogs. Where's the athleticism there? They're just ego boosters. Decorations. :mad:

I do, however, LOVE the beautiful boy that adopt just posted. He looks like a baby (thought I saw puppy teeth in the first pic) Is he? Talk about a sweet face.

Chul3l3ies1126

11-01-2006, 01:17 AM

mrose_s

11-01-2006, 06:20 AM

i don't really like the look of the puppies on the forst site... i dunno what it isn. they just don't look right to me

Miakoda

11-01-2006, 10:31 AM

Thanks for your input everyone. I was just so bored today and came across the site from the bargin book. I thought dang, they are huge, i've never seen a pit bull that big, maybe thats the way they are supposed to be. But then i realized nooo. People say that steriods are often used as well. But not sure.

Check out www.apbtconformation.com ;) An APBT is actually a medium sized dog & although there are no actual weight standards, the average APBTs way in between 25lbs & 65lbs 70lbs is a very large APBT.

Chrissy&B

11-01-2006, 10:49 AM

adoptashelterpettoday

11-01-2006, 12:21 PM

This is the one who looks like a mix: This is our new stud "Azzurri Blu aka "Rhino"
Sire: Imperial's "Low-Low"
Dam: Infamous Imperial's Knotty Dread
"Rhino is pictured at 11 months and is showing a lot of potential. He's SHORT, thick & his head is 22 inches and growing.

I too question how many of these "breeders" mix with EB as well because that is the size, weight, height that EBs are.

RD-He is the biggest baby of them all *l* although he is full grown. He is about 55-60 lbs and as big as he is going to get. I would guess him at 2 years old? They were going to euthanize him after being available for only a few days, just because of his breed. And from what I understand a lot of shelters wont even adopt them out. He gets along well with dogs, and people. He is very easy going and laid back although still very active. He is actually still up for adoption ;) although him being the first dog I have personally rescued, I am going to be very picky about who he goes to (not to mention his spectacular personality). A very nice lady with a local PB rescue pulled him for me.

Honestly I wish we didnt crop ears in this country either. It is a personal opinion but dogs look "friendlier" to the general public without cropped ears.

LinkLinx

11-01-2006, 02:24 PM

Chul3l3ies1126

11-01-2006, 02:33 PM

Check out www.apbtconformation.com ;) An APBT is actually a medium sized dog & although there are no actual weight standards, the average APBTs way in between 25lbs & 65lbs 70lbs is a very large APBT.

WoW, that's what is going to explain it all. That is an amazing difference. The way these pups are, they are so nice, tall, slim but built properly at the same token. I can't believe that. Those people thinking that they are bettering the breed standard?! Hmm... I'm sorry for believing them. I was completely wrong. Now I am going to say that I love all dogs the same, those dogs on the "bad" sites are just as beautiful in my mind due to the fact i love the four legged furry kids, but what the "breeders" are doing is wrong. They are clearly building them down. Thanx Miakoda for the lovely site.

savethebulliedbreeds

11-01-2006, 04:31 PM

I would have to agree with everyone else here. Those breeders are a disgrace. And the dogs are WAY too wide/low/stocky, their heads are way to big, overall the dogs are a mess. I really hate seeing people breed dogs like that. It makes me mad. As someone already said, these dogs are supposed to be athletes not cinderblocks. YUCK!!! Run as far away in the other direction as you can.

squirtsmom

11-01-2006, 04:36 PM

A true dogman or woman would never advertise as a Christmas present, or let the pups go like that. Also the APBT is not bred just for looks, but other attributes as well. Go to pitbullcommunity.com, and let them educate you. There is so much more to responsible breeding, and I don't know that much, only what I havae picked up from there. It is like this forum, very informative, and that is basically specific to the APBT.:) :)

Miakoda

11-01-2006, 05:38 PM

Being a European I was always wondering what the difference between Americal Staffordshire Terrier and a Pit Bull was. The 2 breeds are not very popular over here, though you do see some nice AmStaffs at dog shows..... mostly of Italian breeding. There are some really nice ones, very muscular and strong. We don't crop the ears though, because in most EU countries it's against the law and you couldn't enter any shows.......

Back when, the AKC refused to recognize the APBT because of the word "Pit" as they wanted nothing to do with the reminder of the breed's history. Therefore, the dogs were registered as AST's. As time went & goes on, in general, the ASTs are bred solely for looks & for the conformation ring whereas the APBT is bred for working ability (therefore form follows function). Although some still cross the two, over 70 years of selective breeding has divided the two breeds as 2 distinct dogs.

As for this comment:
As far as using the English Bulldog in the breeding, maybe I missed something said earlier, but I highly doubt that's the case.

My statement about RE dogs being "pit bulls" crossed out to the EB came directly form Dave Wilson's (the founder of the line) mouth. He said it, although it was often already suspected. Many of those dogs are claimed "low riders" with God awful shoulders & horrible elbows with enourmous heads.

LinkLinx

11-01-2006, 08:31 PM

I don't follow Dave Wilson closely enough, but what I read, I just had never seen that. It upsets me too much to know that he runs such a money grubbing club for people who are just as hungry for profit as him.

Kurby

11-01-2006, 09:44 PM

Chul :)

Everybody already said what you need to know. And yes they are wayyyy too big to be a purebred APBT. Did somebody mention those kind of "pit bulls" have wayyyy too many health problems?.. yup yup thats true. If you have any more questions regarding this breed you can PM me anytime, if I cant help you I will find somebody who can :)

2nd2none

11-02-2006, 06:31 PM

yuck, more overdone razor's edge dogs.

ditto for me...:rolleyes:

LuvinBullies

11-05-2006, 03:11 PM

yuck, more overdone razor's edge dogs.

Oh yeah. Yuck's the word. I cringe to think what they are asking for those mutts. Less is more with a good APBT breeder/kennel- you won't see flashing lights and brass bands announcing pups for Christmas.

LuvinBullies

11-05-2006, 03:20 PM

http://www.jovanspittclan.com/

This is a site of some Pit Bull breeders that live near my city. I found the site in the Bargin Book. Check it out and tell me if you think they are "good breeders" to me they look like they are truly bettering the breed. Also check out the links of other Pit Bull breeders sites. Do all Pit Bull breeders teach the dogs to attack an inatimate object viciously? There are some videos that the breeders took and posted on their site. Let me know what you think. They are really beautiful dogs. They look like the perfect example of the breed from back in time. Gladiator dogs.

Thank you for first asking about this kennel- had you never asked we never would have gotten to steer you clear. Choosing an even-tempered and true standard APBT, then responsibly owning one, is not possible unless you do a lot of homework. The APBT should NEVER be bought on impulse or without a lot of knowledge going into it. Again, thank you for not yet falling into trouble due to lack of knowledge and furthering damage to the breed.

LuvinBullies

11-05-2006, 03:54 PM

I don't find them attractive AT ALL, all that fat and width. Blargh. Some people have posted some pics of lovely pits here that I have enjoyed very much and those are not it!

As for the breeding stand, it's .. interesting (do not read that as condoning it!). I don't imagine she'd be held for very long - I say it's interesting because we hold mares to breed them - call it handbreeding, sometimes you have to hopple them so they don't kick the stallion.. not that dogs kick, obviously, but I would be interested to hear a dog breeder's thoughts on this.

Hey, muggies mum sure sounds like good people to me! I am very flattered by your distinction between those dogs and the true APBT. Your compliments to the breed are appreciated and valued.

As for the breeding stand- I'm unqualified to answer. We use breeding stands for horses too -:p Occasionally even for horses that won't stand for palpating or general vet exams, they are handy dandy things.

Muggie'sMum

11-06-2006, 08:35 AM

LOL Thanks, LB. I try to have an astute eye about things. I like an athletic looking animal and that just looks so unnatural - you can tell, when you look at pictures of APBT's, what they are MEANT to look like.

Gamedogs

02-17-2008, 06:24 PM

I never said I agreed with their breeding, and I understand the Razor's Edge line just as well.

However, I do know that not all stocky dogs from this breed are absolutely mixed with something else. As far as using the English Bulldog in the breeding, maybe I missed something said earlier, but I highly doubt that's the case.
Mastiff breeds seem to be popular to mix these dogs with.
Here's the link, read it...

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/102006/10062006/226864/printer_friendly

AS PRESIDENT of Razors Edge and one of the founders of the American Bully, I am appalled by your Oct. 3 editorial "Bully for the bulls?" Your statements are not only offensive but inaccurate.

The "Back 2 the Bullies" convention to be held tomorrow at the Fredericksburg Expo Center is not for the "celebration of the pit bull" as you allege; it is for public awareness of the American Bully. This is a new breed created more than 15 years ago, and it is a separate breed from the "pit bull."

We blended different breeds together to obtain certain desired traits. The American pit bull terrier was one of the breeds whose lineage is in the background of this breed, but it is by no means the only breed behind it.

Even the part of the lineage that is American pit bull terrier stems from United Kennel Club-registered conformation show dogs! There is also an American Kennel Club-registered show breed in the lineage of this breed called the American Staffordshire terrier. Some breeders even included some bulldog lineage into their breeding. This breed has been established for over 10 years now.

The American Bully Kennel Club was created for the registry and promotion of this breed. These dogs have extremely mellow demeanors and were bred for the purpose of companionship. If you had researched the breed or the event, you might have learned more about what you were falsely commenting on.

We have been hosting these shows for more than four years now and have a great track record with major cities all over the United States. These events have all been a success, and people continue to request them in their areas. We have people flying in from all over the United States, and even confirmed guests from Japan, Italy, and the Philippines.

These events have been amazing for bringing all types of people together from all over the world--all races and all genders. The amount of public support has been overwhelming. For this area, the event is also helping the local economy. Three major hotels in this area are sold out, not to mention all the restaurants and pet stores that stand to gain business. Major pet stores, pet-feed companies, rescues, animal shelters, attorneys, and other organizations and individuals are backing and sponsoring this event.

To talk about this event in the context of young girls murdered by a serial killer is sick. How do you think the families of those children feel seeing that incident brought back up and being used in association with a dog show?

Then to talk about a sanctioned dog show in connection with a mauling by a pack of dogs running at large? The dogs that mauled Dorothy Sullivan weren't even pure pit bulls. But whatever breed they were, the tragedy has no correlation with this show. The poor woman who was mauled deserves more respect than to be brought into a commentary about a dog show. This entire editorial was plain sick.

At our event, the local animal control office maintains a booth with a donations box set up for its shelter. Also with booths are dog-rescue organizations that inform the public about all the dogs being put to sleep in shelters. Also at show we have a task force that seeks to bring to justice illegal dog fighters. We have a lady who runs programs in the low-income areas of major cities, and who helps underprivileged children through working with dogs.

We have five nonprofit organizations manning booths. As people from all over the world come to our event, we even have the local police department working there to ensure the safety of all patrons and participants.

At our event, nothing illegal is being promoted, permitted, or advertised. We have done no wrong at all. Our event simply seeks to certain promote a breed in a positive way.

Your editorial misinformed the public about the nature of "Back 2 the Bullies" and the breed it highlights.

DAVE WILSON of Spotsylvania County is president of Razor's Edge, the main company sponsoring tomorrow's Back 2 the Bullies convention.

Tahla9999

02-19-2008, 11:45 PM

I guess I have to be the oddball here and say that I think they look cute. I think EBs look cute too.

They are not APBTs and people are now starting to call them by their true name and thats American Bully. I known people who have american bullies and they LOVE their dog. The dog itself is very nice and a big cuddler.:D

Believe it or not he can run. He is quite playful too. I don't like the seriously mutated looking ones. There just sicking.. I find it mean when people call these dogs ''hippos'' and other names and I know American Bully owners find it insulting as well. You might not like the breeding but get over it. These dogs are here to STAY. There are now ALOT of American Bully lovers and I don't see them disappearing anytime soon. I now accept them as a breed because they now have their own clubs. I don't like it when people call them APBTs, but the true name is spreading quickly. Labradoodles aren't going anywhere either.:p

I say just accept this human friendly breed..
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s33/Tessier9999/PUPPP.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s33/Tessier9999/PITS032.jpg

chanda

02-20-2008, 02:16 AM

i woudnt dare to give someone a puppy as gift... well you dont know if the receiver is ready for the responsibilities of being a pet owner...

Bahamutt99

02-20-2008, 03:33 AM

I've got no problem with American Bullies. I've got problems with American Bullies that are called American Pit Bull Terriers.