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Awkward Angel

10-14-2006, 03:52 AM

Aurora171989

10-14-2006, 08:22 AM

http://brian-loni-ross.gotpetsonline.com/event/2006-07-10-1

scroll down to "what you should be aware of......."

Rubylove

10-14-2006, 08:35 AM

Me and my Mom and Dad are thinking about getting a hypoallergenic/little to no shedding dog. the reason being that we are looking for that kind of dog is that my mom has dog allergies. We have found a Cockapoo breeder only an hour away and we are planning to call her up tomorrow and arrange a meeting so my mom can be around the dogs and see if she is allergic to them. If anyone has an info on Cockpoos (spoodles) or about hypoallergenic/little to no shedding dogs i would really appreciate if you would share it with me here!!

also here is the link of the website of the breeder, i have no idea of the difference of a good breeder and a bad breeder, maybe you could help me out with this as well??

link: http://brian-loni-ross.gotpetsonline.com/ (looking to purchase 3rd pick of the nov. 11 litter.)

Thanks<3
Well, the first thing you should know is that you are probably looking at buying from a backyard breeder - these dogs are not purebred and you will be perpetuating a puppy mill or an unregistered breeder if you purchase a pup from this person.

Secondly, there are no dogs that are hypoallergenic. That is a myth and it came about because the original breeder of Labradoodles (in Australia) - who started the cross as a hypoallergenic dog for a lady in Hawaii only had one dog out of four years of breeding that she was not allergic to when sent samples. And this was what the original cross came about as.

If you buy a dog that is crossed with a poodle hoping it will be hypoallergenic you will be disappointed because such a dog does not exist. The closest thing to a hypoallergenic dog you will get is a purebred poodle, because they have a different type of fur.

Lastly, these dogs shed, too. ALL dogs shed. Labradoodles shed less than other breeds but they still shed.

I guess what I am saying is DO NOT buy a dog from this person thinking you will get a non-shedding hypoallergenic dog, because you won't. And don't buy one from them anyway, because they are a backyard breeder.

By the way, I own two Australian Standard Labradoodles - they meet all the criteria of the 2004 breed standard, and they still shed (but minimally, I must admit) and are NOT hypoallergenic. It's a work-in-progress in the Labradoodle, and an absolute myth in all other poodle crosses. Having said that, they are the loves of my life, and going on temperament I would recommend a Labradoodle to anyone and everyone, a wonderful breed. But I don't think you can get Australian Standard Labradoodles in the States, and the crosses over there are exactly that - crosses.

I would do some more research and perhaps get a different dog entirely - your Mum will always be allergic I'm afraid, but you can desensitise and there are plenty of dogs out there in shelters who need homes. You could almost definitely get a spoodle/schnoodle/cavoodle etc there - they are bred sooooo indiscriminately by so many backayrd breeders that they are, sadly, everywhere.

Zoom

10-14-2006, 10:45 AM

Honestly, and leaving out all the ethics talk that will follow by other posters, you really should go look at the shelteror rescues for an adult "doodle"...this way you KNOW what the dogs coat type is going to be. Puppies will shed out thier puppy coat and grow in an adult one and while your mum might not be allergic to the puppy coat, she might be allergic to the adult one.

Look on Petfinder.com and you will see the dozens of doodles that were abandoned for whatever reason.

If you are really serious about buying a dog from a breeder, look into a poodle breeder...just the poodle part, nothing else. Check around the Breeding Ground forum here for what makes a good breeder from a bad...there are a bunch of recent threads answering that question.

Good luck!

dr2little

10-14-2006, 10:50 AM

http://www.poomixrescue.com/

This is a good (sad) site with lots of poo mixes...

Meggie

10-14-2006, 10:57 AM

If you're determined to buy from a breeder, check out Poodles. At least you'll be able to hang out with the puppies and adult to see if your Mom reacts.

This breeder cannot guarantee that her puppies are hypoallergenic. She can't say that the puppy you get wouldn't be the genetic throwback to an allergen producing dog.

elegy

10-14-2006, 11:34 AM

you're going to have a much better shot at having a dog who doesn't create allergy problems by getting a purebred poodle or bichon or whatever. you're going to have an even better shot by hooking up with a rescue, finding an adult dog, and hanging out with it beforehand to see if it triggers allergies.

Awkward Angel

10-14-2006, 04:09 PM

Me and my mom found a Yorkie/poodle breeder in the buy and sell that is expecting a litter around Halloween, and will be able to take home come dec. 25th. The breeder lives close by in the city, and my mother could visit a lot and find out if she were allergic, seeing as she would be around the parents and pups, and would be bale to find out if they bothered her or not, the breeder said he was allergic to dogs and that the Yorkie-poos and parents gave him no trouble at all. As i believe, The Yorkie-poo is good for little to no shedding and good for allergie suffers. Anyone else have any experience with Yorkie-poos and or allergies and dogs?

stevinski

10-14-2006, 04:13 PM

have you thought about the toy poodle maybe, or chinese crested or mexicanhairless,

i will let other peeps tell you about why not to buy poo mixes

Gempress

10-14-2006, 04:16 PM

I would not go with a "poo" or "doodle" of any kind, because there are no guarantees as to their anti-allergy properties. Not to metion that most "poo-doodle" breeders are not very reputable.

You would be much better off going with a purebred that is known to be hypoallergenic. A purebred poodle, maltese, Italian greyhound, etc.

elegy

10-14-2006, 04:19 PM

i think you need to slow down and look for a responsible breeder. small dogs can come with a slew of problems, and buying from somebody breeding mixes practically guarantees that they're irresponsible. small poodles and yorkies frequently have luxating patellas. sometimes they're so bad that they require expensive surgery to fix. poodles can have eye problems (PRA, for example, can cause them to go blind at a young age). i don't know much about yorkies, but i'm sure they've got some health concerns of their own.

checklist for finding a responsible breeder (http://dogplay.com/GettingDog/checklist.html)
how to find a responsible breeder (http://dogplay.com/GettingDog/where.html)

Awkward Angel

10-14-2006, 04:23 PM

But both the Yorkshire terrier and the Poodle are little to no shedding and are both good for allergy sufferers, why would the mix pups not be a good choice for an allergy sufferer?

(we would be bringing in the puppy to the vet before or after we got the pup to make sure it was in good health)

~Tucker&Me~

10-14-2006, 04:36 PM

Most people breeding mixed breed dogs are not reputable. Whether or not you brought the pup to the vet, it could have inherited a problem from it's parents that would only appear when it gets older.
There are already so many mixed breeds dying in shelters everyday, there is no need to create more.

What's wrong with a poodle?

~Tucker

Awkward Angel

10-14-2006, 04:41 PM

~Tucker&Me~

10-14-2006, 04:54 PM

Good breeders do test such as OFA and CERF. They compete with their dogs in shows and dog-sports, so that they can get an outsiders opinion on their dogs.

Please, don't buy any mixed-breeds. It really is so horrible that people breed them in the first place :(.

~Tucker

elegy

10-14-2006, 05:16 PM

how do you find out if they inherited a problem from it's parents?? Would you now know if the parents had a problem from the breeder?

if the breeders do the appropriate health testing, then they're dramatically cutting down the risk that the pups will have health problems.

~Tucker&Me~

10-14-2006, 05:19 PM

If you'd like Angel, you can PM me your location and I can direct you to some good poodle/maltese/bichon breeders in your area.
:)

~Tucker

BostonBanker

10-14-2006, 06:47 PM

In response to the dogs and allergies:

I had moderately bad allergies growing up, including to dogs and cats. I wanted a dog so badly, and finally talked my parents into it. We ended up buying a Bedlington Terrier. I never had any allergy problems with him, although I understand now that some luck was involved; the hypo-allergenic breeds aren't completely h-a, and some people still react to them.

The Bedlington is a nice breed that we had a wonderful experience with. They are also less common than some of the other hypo-all. breeds. I'm sure there are byb's for them out there, but I don't think it's as high a number. They do have some genetic issues (esp. copper toxicosis) that need to be tested for. As a result, you would probably have to wait a bit longer to get one. The breeder we got ours from only had one litter a year, and a pretty decent waiting list.

Please listen to the people warning you away from the majority of "poo" breeders. And take a look at the rescue site posted - it really is sad how many of those mixes need homes, when everyone is out buying puppies.

Boemy

10-14-2006, 11:57 PM

Please, don't buy any mixed-breeds. It really is so horrible that people breed them in the first place :(.

Except from an animal shelter or rescue, of course. ;)

If you're going to a breeder, it's very important to pick out an ethical one. :)

First of all, don't buy from people who purposely breed mixed breeds. There's nothing wrong with mixed breeds, but there's a LOT wrong with purposely breeding them when so many are dying in shelters already. Most people who breed mixed breeds on purpose do it purely from greed, as so called "designer dogs" are "in" right now.

Second, make sure the breeder gets the parents tested for genetic problems. I would never buy from anyone who didn't do the OFA or PENN-hip test for hips and the CERF for eyes. Plus there may be other tests for problems a particular breed is prone to . . . For example, the BAER test for deafness is a must for dalmation puppies because the breed is prone to deafness.

Third, make sure the breeder's dogs have titles in either conformation or dog sports (like agility, advanced obedience, hunting, tracking, etc.) or, even better, in both. This tells you that the breeder is confident enough in their dogs to "show them off" against the competition. Just "having papers" is not enough! Having "a bunch of champions in his pedigree" is not enough!

Fourth, a good breeder will question YOU a lot because they don't want their puppy to go to someone who will dump it by the wayside when they get tired of it. They also don't want their puppy to go to a household where it will be a poor fit. So they'll ask you lots of questions.

Alternatively, you could go to a rescue group (there are rescues for pretty much every purebred breed and some non-purebreds . . . There are even -poo rescue groups.) Or you can go to an animal shelter. Many wonderful dogs in need of homes there!

savethebulliedbreeds

10-15-2006, 01:21 AM

Please listen to what all of these people have said about this. There are so many poo mixes at shelters you could rescue rather than giving money to someone that doesn't care about the dogs they are breeding. You should also look into getting a maltese....not a maltese cross (unless you are rescuing), but a purebred maltese from a reputable breeder. Please DO NOT BUY a mixed breed dog.....RESCUE ONE.

If you are positive that you want to buy a dog rather than rescuing one you will be much happier in the end if you get a purebred dog from a reputable breeder.

If you chose to purchase a mixed breed dog from a back yard breeder, you are more than likely setting yourself up for heartache and vet bills. Trust me.

Once again. Please listen to the people on here. They only have your and your new puppys best interests at heart. These people here are brilliant and know what they are talking about.

I hope you and your family will make the right decision.

Best of luck.

Rubylove

10-15-2006, 01:28 AM

Me and my mom will continue to search for more breeders of little to no shedding and good for allergies, but we will also keep the yorkie-poo pups in mind.

how do you find out if they inherited a problem from it's parents?? Would you now know if the parents had a problem from the breeder?
Sweetie, I don't know if you're listening - you should NOT be buying a dog from a person who breeds crosses. This is not a reputable breeder and you have a huge chance of getting a dog that will develop lots of problems later in life.

Of course they are going to tell you what you want to hear - that is what backyard breeders do. A decent breeder will tell you the truth, whether it's what you want to hear or not. Because they want their pups to go to a good home with a good family. A backyard breeder wants to get rid of their pups and make money. They'll say anything.

I repeat, do NOT get a dog from one of these people. If you are determined to get a cross breed, go to a shelter. It will cost you one fifth of the price, you'll rescue a poor animal that desperately needs a home, and you will not be blowing money on someone who doesn't care about dogs or their welfare - if they did they would not be breeding crosses in the first place. It is widely known that the types of people you are looking at buying from contribute up to 60% of the overpopulation crisis in the world.

Seriously, I can't stress enough, you will NOT get what you are looking for and you will waste money and help line the pockets of someone who is doing something very bad for the world of dogs. If you care about your dog, you will not do this.

Go and look at a proper breeder who breeds dogs with lower allergens and shedding, like a poodle or a Bichon. You will know exactly what you're getting and you won't be ripped off. And most importantly, they will show you the parents, their dogs will have health guarantees IN WRITING, and you will know where your dog came from.

A backyard breeder will say, `oh yes, they're very healthy' and will not be able to give you any certified proof of this. Taking your dog to the vet to make sure it's healthy will not give you any information other than that it looks and acts healthy when you buy it. Unless you are prepared to fork out a lot of money at that vet visit to check for inherited problems, heart conditions, heartworm, and all sorts of other issues (which a good breeder will have already done) you should save your money altogether and not bother with the vet at all - they can't tell you anything important and lasting other than that the pup you want to buy SEEMS healthy NOW.

Really, do some more research and think very carefully - with your head, not your heart - before you buy a puppy.

~Tucker&Me~

10-15-2006, 02:46 AM

Of course that's what I mean Boemy :D.
Everyone has good advice! We are only trying to help...

~Tucker

Herschel

10-15-2006, 10:18 AM

Did we lose her?

~Tucker&Me~

10-15-2006, 07:18 PM

^I think so :(.
*sigh*

~Tucker

savethebulliedbreeds

10-15-2006, 07:48 PM

That would really suck if she didn't come back. We are all being so helpful to her.

bubbatd

10-15-2006, 08:10 PM

Agree .... it's so sad when people take time to ask and we take time to give advise . If she does come back I would suggest rescue or the HS to see if it works out . Both would take back if it proves not successful . Thankfully Ollie's 1 ST adoption didn't pan out and I now have him !!

Boemy

10-15-2006, 11:42 PM

Of course that's what I mean Boemy :D.
Everyone has good advice! We are only trying to help...

~Tucker

LOL, I knew it was, but it seems like there's always someone who jumps into these discussions with "ZOMG YOUR ALL SNOBS, MUTTS ARE NOT BAD!!!" :rolleyes:

~Tucker&Me~

10-16-2006, 02:13 AM

^LOL! I know!
I even own a mutt! Jeez, people can be so...
*Beep*

~Tucker

LabBreeder

10-16-2006, 09:52 PM

No dog is hypoallergenic and No breeder (byb) can guarantee any pup will be hypoallergenic without doing extensive testing (DNA, saliva, hair, dander, etc). None of the doodle or designer mix byb's do those tests. Even if they do OFA/CERF you still won't be guaranteed a hypoallergenic no/low shed dog. Try out different breeds - poodle, bichon, mexican hairless, etc before venturing anywhere NEAR a mixed breed byb'er for your mom's pup.

loni28ca

12-27-2006, 07:49 PM

Hi,

I just wanted to write as I found this posting from Awkward Angel.... I am the "breeder" of the website that she posted about and that everyone has posted on. I just want to let everyone know that I do breed cockapoo puppies and they are not a registered breed at the current time with CKC (as I am in Canada) so I cannot register them. I also wanted to say that I am currently pending my license to be a registered and licensed breeder here in Manitoba. I had previously moved so now the vet has to come down and now have to put up my fence which cannot be done til Spring.

I also would not consider myself a BYB as some of you have said. All my dogs are raised indoor and stay inside with the exception of walks etc. My life revolves around my dogs and my pups. They are so socialized that they know their name when they leave here and they love people. They are given a full health check before they leave my home. I also wanted to mention that with all the treatments and work that it takes to produce a wonderful pet....if I was in it for the money I would be crazy! I get maybe 2 hours a day where I can have my own time all the rest is given to the dogs.

I am also not a breeder that doesn't care about where her pups go. As a matter of fact, I know every home and I still keep in contact with everyone. I have made many families complete and I have families that have added an additional pup to their family as well. So I guess I am kind of bothered by some of these posts and I wish you could come and see my dogs. I too would rather have a healthy puppy and one that is well socialized. Thanks for listening.

Gempress

12-28-2006, 09:44 AM

Thanks for posting, Loni. It's nice to hear from the breeder. It looks like you put a lot of time and care into your dogs.

Personally, my main concern about the original poster was that she/he was under the impression that all cockerpoos were hypoallergenic, which is simply not true. It's a bit depressing how many people believe in that myth about designer dogs. There are quite a few "doodles" and "poos" that end up in shelters because of it.

I was wondering, are your breeding dogs certified free of eye defects/hyperthyroidism/von Wilbrands? I've heard that cockers are prone to these major health issues, and breeders are trying not to perpetrate them.

summitview

12-28-2006, 10:07 PM

Loni,

I, too, am interested in what specific health tests you perform on your breeding stock.

Thanks.

summitview

01-01-2007, 11:02 AM

I'm starting to think the answer is none?

Cassiepeia

01-03-2007, 10:58 PM

Hmmm...I'm interested in knowing what health testing is done too. And why there is no mention of it (that I could find) on the website?

I wonder if the OP will ever come back to let us know what has happened?

Cass.

Maxy24

01-05-2007, 10:06 AM

i found a different post of the OP and she ended up not getting a poo or doodle mix but a yorkie instead i'm very glad.

YorkieLover

01-05-2007, 10:37 AM

Yeah, I love my yorkies. As a matter of fact, my daughter has had allergies and asthma her entire life and our first puppy was a yorkie girl and we have had her for 2 years and my daughter has not had one ounce of problems.

summitview

01-05-2007, 11:19 AM

I wonder if the OP will ever come back to let us know what has happened?

Doubtful.

MafiaPrincess

01-05-2007, 08:30 PM

Considering many breeders of cockers I did respect with multiple country champions weren't doing enough health testing, I doubt the breeder of cockapoos in this thread is doing any or nearly enough.

bubbatd

01-05-2007, 10:11 PM

Again , with any hybrid breeder , I would not even consider them unless it's a 3rd or 4th generation breeder . Otherwise it's just a cute mixed mutt .