What do you expect from your dog?

[cindr]

When I go out to purchase a dog, I know I have spacific expectations from the dog. Let it be love, breeding, training. So if we were all in a room coffee at hand and chatting about this subject What, where and who would you go see and what would you expect to see when picking out your puppy or doggie?

[chickenlittle]

What?

German shepherd for work!

Where

I try to deal with reputable breeder's only

Who?

There are two people I would really be interested in doing business with in Ontario.
#1} Deb Meloche....a lady in Amhurstberg, Ontario. Awesome dogs and awesome abilities.
#2} Marc Auger.....his female came from Deb; I love the male's intensity and high drives. Just waiting to see what type of quality comes out as they are just starting out. They have got my attention though.

What do I expect?

Strong drives
Nerves of Steel
Healthy
Good working quality

[Brattina88]

For me, it really depends. Honestly, Maddie was my first dog that I picked a breed, did research, found a breeder, and picked a puppy. Dogs seem to wander in and pick me, instead of the other way around. At this time in my life I have pretty much decided that I don't need another puppy, not for a long time will I change my mind...
But here it goes:

What?

Anything, it matters, and it doesn't matter at the same time. The breed or mix is unimportant, unless of course I've chosen a breed to go with. A GSD or mix perhaps

A rescue ;)

Where

(kill) Dog Pounds, by word of mouth of others - whether it be pet store talk, internet, friend of a friends brother's uncles momma . . .
I support rescues, but often feel that they have it pretty well handled and they can find a dog a home, so I can save another ;)

Who?

Sadly, most of the dogs I get are not from very good owners. But that doesn't matter much to me... as long as I can get them out of there!

What do I expect?

Loyalty
Love
Respect - which says a number of things, really
Needs to be fairly active
and hopefully healthy, but I work with them if they are not
They have to be good with dogs. Even some of the most dog aggressive dogs I've fostered seem to get along with my bunch when I'm supervising, and then they're separated when I'm not home. It's really hard for me to help them if they don't get a long with mine. I can't keep them if they don't get along with most dogs. Because I foster, dog sit, and attend dog activities outside the home frequently...


:p

[elegy]

depends on what i'm looking for. i chose luce mostly on gut feeling. i was looking for a pit bull, because i wanted a dog with pit bull qualities- athletic, friendly, goofy, enthusiastic. she was the one in the shelter who just called to me for whatever reason, and now she's here.

when i got mushroom i was looking for a male dog who would be compatible with miss thing. that was the most important thing. in retrospect, i wish i had looked for a dog who was not so dorky and who was more drivey, but i love shroomdog and wouldn't trade him for the world. he is fantastic with luce.

my next dog, i haven't exactly decided on (and it will be years away, most likely), but i want a dog who is going to be a good agility prospect. i want a dog who is likely to NOT be dog-aggressive, a dog who is drivey and smart, and a dog who is extremely interested in playing my games.

i'm not sure where i'll go in the future to get a dog. maybe a breeder, but my requirements are very strict and it'll be a hard search and probably a long wait for a pup. i don't know. mostly my heart lies in shelter dogs and rescues.

[~Dixie's_Mom~]

This is what I was looking for when I bought Dixie....

What?

A Yorkshire Terrier

Where

Close-by so I could see the living conditions, and meet the parents, and breeder

Who?

From a Responsible breeder (which...didn't turn out quite like we planned:rolleyes:)

What do I expect?

I wanted a dog who had Show Potential. I was looking for a dog to show and breed. But I also wanted a loving personality, and I got both! :D I wouldn't trade Dixie for anything. Even if she doesn't show well, and I can't breed her, I could never give her up. I'd just spay her and keep her with me always. :)

[Char_06]

MILO
What
Jack Russell

Where
Anywhere within 10/20 miles


Who?
Anyone aslong as parents could be veiwed and all looked healthy

What do I expect?
A cheerfull family pet with a streak or cheekyness & to have fun with in agility and obedience

What I Got
Exactly what we wanted =)

SHADY
What
A GSD OR rottweiler

Where
Anywhere within 10/20 miles


Who?
Anyone aslong as parents could be veiwed and all looked healthy

What do I expect?
We live on a not very nice estate so a protection dog and a loyal companion to do agility and obediance with etc

What I Got
A crossbreed from the back of a garage (completely unplanned) that turned into a healthy loyal and protective dog...the twist? she is TOO protective her parents being guard dogs she is dog aggressive etc. even though socialised from early age. But i love her to bits and she would never hurt her family.

NANUK
What
A GSD

Where
Anywhere within 10/20 miles


Who?
Anyone aslong as parents could be veiwed and all looked healthy

What do I expect?
A calm loyal dog for me only to do long walks with, agility, obediance, off lead walking etc etc and just to get along with everyday things.

What I Got
A whinging puppy :p lol no he is a great big boy with amazing long coat, should grow up to be a huge buddle of fluff...slowely getting on with shady but taking it slowely.

[Babyblue5290]

what
The breed doesn't matter to me....only the dog and it's personality.

where
As long as I can meet them and get them where I live anywhere. Perferably in this state though lol

who
Either a rescue or shelter.

what do I expect
At this point, Lucas has to like it and it must like Lucas, or at least tolerate each other.
I expect it to be loving
Either have energy or not, doesn't matter.
Perferably healthy.
Respect definetly.
Non aggressive

[Momof2Pups]

I agree with a lot of what BB said.

When I get my next dog I will be looking for a loving companion. I don't care about the breed. I will go to a rescue/shelter/pound(I want to save a dog from being euthanized if I can). I would prefer the dog to be healthy, doesn't matter what gender, for the sake of the animals I have now he/she would have to be good with cats, dogs, and at least non-aggressive with animals, even if he or she didn't particularly care for them. I don't mind whether he or she is aloof with strangers, just not aggressive.

[Toller_08]

When my family decided to take Tango, all I was really expecting was a very high energy, high maintenance dog...and I got just that.

This is what I'm hoping for out of my next dog....

What?:
A female Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever

Where
In my province preferably, but if I hadn't been able to find a good breeder in Alberta, I'd travel to another province.

Who?
I am getting her from a responsible, reputable breeder about an hour or so away from me so that I can meet the dogs and get to know the breeder.

What do I expect?
First and foremost, I want a dog with a nice temperament. I want a dog who is everything Tango isn't (I love her more than anything, but she has always had a few issues). I want a dog that I can take out in public who won't try to attack other dogs, a dog that isn't afraid of the world, a dog that is very content and has a lot of confidence. Next, I want a dog who will hopefully excel at agility and has a lot of hunting instinct. Appearance is also very important to me. If I'm going to get a Toller, I want a dog that looks like a Toller. Not like a Cocker, a Golden, or a Border Collie as a lot seem to look like lately...I want something that is easily recognized as a Toller. That is because I have interest in showing her in conformation. I also want her to be the best socialized dog I've ever had so far. One that I can take anywhere with no difficulties, and one that I can compete in obedience or RallyO with who pays attention to me and not everything else around her. This is what I expect, and what I hope for and describes the perfect dog for me. However, if I don't get this I'll love her just the same.

[gaddylovesdogs]

I go for dogs in need mostly...not breeder dogs...and all I'd be looking for is a medium-sized, well-behaved, nice, fairly energetic dog.

[Jynx]

I have rescue dogs and I have breeder dogs. A couple have just fallen into my lap of which I am grateful for.

My rescue GSD, (who is more malinois like than gsd) ws a puppy whom everyone(trainers) said would never get anywhere, she was the dog from down under LOL,,but I saw a spark there that I knew would someday shine. She ended up being the 4th nationally ranked gsd in agility in 99, 00 and 5th nationally ranked in jumpers in 01..I started obed with her, told her if she graced me with a CD I would let her do agility, Obed was to "slow" for her,,she never scored under 195 in 3 straight trials, took 2 HIT's, and that was it for obed ring..She's spoiled me for any other dog,,now retired at 11.

I'm going to answer differently'
"What do I expect from my dog?" I look for brains, I look for drive, and eagerness to learn. I like "easy trainers" which I find in the herding breeds.
I also look to the breeder, since they've been with the puppies for weeks vs me for alot of input. Of course good health is unspoken , and most of all I want a sound temperament.

I think if you can find the above, you can end up having a relationship/bond that will never be equaled. I've been so lucky to have found that with 99% of the dogs I've lived with. It doesn't hurt to have "pretty" dogs to, but brains are more important to me than beauty.
Diane

[Renee750il]

A large dog - In an adoption it's almost invariably an adult dog, and it takes just that one "look" for me to know if it's My Dog or if it belongs to someone else.

In the Fila pups we've bought, it's been the pup that was more interested in me than in what her littermates were doing and was fearless and curious enough to walk up to me and look up at me.

[BostonBanker]

WHAT/WHERE/WHO: Breed doesn't matter - mix or purebred. I would only look for another dog through the rescue I got Meg from. It's a friend of mine who pulls dogs from overcrowded or high-kill shelters and places them. All the dogs she brings in are evaluated in her home, and she has an amazing success rate as far as placing the right dog with the right people.

Definitely a male - I don't think Meg would handle another female in the house. She is much better with smaller dogs or puppies than large adults (a lot of her issues with dogs are related to her insecurities). Since I don't want a puppy ;) , I'd be looking for a dog smaller than her. It would still need to be sturdy enough to hang out most of the day outside at the barn with me, so nothing too tiny.

What I'd expect: A dog who suited my life. That sticks around well off-leash and can handle being in a barn where dogs and people come and go throughout the day. A dog who had enough focus and desire to train in agility and possible compete.

Honestly, though, I can't imagine trying to squeeze another dog into my life. I already feel guilty if the dog and the horse get uneven amounts of attention!

[Momof2Pups]

. . .it takes just that one "look" for me to know if it's My Dog or if it belongs to someone else.

Definitely! It's hard to explain it to people but it's a feeling that's just "there."

[cindr]

All of you are soo :cool: . I really enjoy coming out here. I have been on other forums and they seem to be pruds. I would love to sit in a room with my freinds talking dog and having that coffee. All of you are very awesome:hail: :hail: If I were a dog I would love any of you to own me:lol-sign:

[Babyblue5290]

All of you are soo :cool: . I really enjoy coming out here. I have been on other forums and they seem to be pruds. I would love to sit in a room with my freinds talking dog and having that coffee. All of you are very awesome If I were a dog I would love any of you to own me

You sure about that? I'm a meanie who just loves to give my pups hugs! :D And make them do "embarasing" tricks :yikes: Scary!! And sometimes I even......*looks around.......*whispers* make them wear costumes!!!! lol :D

[yoko]

i'll be completely honest i LOVE mutts. they're my favorite dog :) you never know what you're getting when you get a puppy from the shelter and that's what i love about them. i got my dog from this little shelter *it is a kill shelter* and since it's kinda hard to find and theres a HS nearby no one usually goes there to get a dog so they're usually put down :(

i expected a dog that would get along with my friends and strangers and who i could take with me when i go out. i really wanted a dog with some cute markings and i really wanted a boy. i wanted it to be a young puppy so i could raise it. and i wanted it to be max 25 lbs.

i ended up with a girl who is one solid color except she does have a 'highlighted look' who loves to play, always has to touch me and sleep with me and she was 4 months when i got her and she ended up being about 50-55 lbs. she goes camping with me, she loves swimming and she has an awesome recall. she doesn't know the most tricks but she does know a lot of obeidence and i can take her wherever she is allowed without worrying. she does get rowdy with new people and dogs, but never aggressive and i love my little cuddler :)

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3954/yoshishakewp2.png

how could you turn down that face? :D

[Momof2Pups]

I couldn't! :D

[bubbatd]

I must say , it was different for me after I lost Chip ,I had had home bred Goldens for over 45 years ..... but I knew I was going to rescue and Ollie found me !! Agree.... it's " that look " !

[jess2416]

it takes just that one "look" for me to know if it's My Dog or if it belongs to someone else.


I know exactly what you mean :) and I feel the same way

[cindr]

You sure about that? I'm a meanie who just loves to give my pups hugs! :D And make them do "embarasing" tricks :yikes: Scary!! And sometimes I even......*looks around.......*whispers* make them wear costumes!!!! lol :D

Hey that sound so cool I remember taking my Teka and my Jake to our local Festival. Now Teka was wearing a dress, and Jake was wearing a jogging suit. You should have seen the looks we received!:lol-sign:

Especially from the Sergent and the Deputy Cheif of Police!!!!!!!!!!

We all had a load of fun and that was all that counts

[PoodleMommy]

Well when I got Elle I wanted a loving dog, I was heartbroken over the lose of my last dog. Of course, I made sure I went to a rebutable breeder so the pup would be healthy, but all I was looking for was LOVE.

When I got Bella, i wanted a friend for Elle to help her seperation anxiety. Well Bella's seperation anxiety is even worse! LOL.

:) Elissa

[RD]

What: Female Fila Brasileiro

Where: Meh, if I had my choice it'd be within 100 miles of where I live, but with this breed it's not exactly possible.

Who: At this point, I think it'll be Dawna Berg of Eshabeta II. When I check out her facilities, if the quality of her dogs or their living arrangements isn't as good as I expect it to be, I will go elsewhere for a pup.

What I expect: From a puppy, I just expect a healthy, happy pup. Dawna would help me pick one out if I couldn't be there to do so. If I could be picky about color and markings, I'd love a a fawn or brindle with a big black mask, black ears and a little bit of white on the chest.
As the pup matures I'd like a smaller (under 130lbs) attentive, reserved dog with a loving personality. I'd like her to respond well to training (preferably be a "chow hound") and affection. I would like a quiet, fearless, watchful dog that could go anywhere with me and still be fiercely protective when the situation is appropriate. I'd want a Fila that will be polite to our friends and strangers that we invite into the house. Doesn't have to be friendly and lovey with them, just politely aloof. I want a velcro dog that will stay by my side whenever possible. I expect the dog to live peacefully with all of us. I expect the dog to be gentle and tolerant of me, my other dogs and the people I live with. I don't want to see aggression to family members, EVER.

I don't want a super hard individual that is highly aggressive and difficult to control, but at the same time I don't want a super soft dog that will shy away from "scary" things. Meh. I'm picky, especially about temperament, but I'm sure that with the help of a responsible, experienced breeder I can find the right pup for me. :)

But, with all the time I spend with shelter dogs, I just may find my "soulmate" there. I've already come across one dog that really just spoke to me, she was so gentle and shy. Horribly abused, but still very loving. I regret each day that I wasn't able to adopt her. I definitely understand that look; there are some dogs that I'm just drawn to. Usually they are plain as can be (I have a thing for big black dogs) but their eyes tell me all I need to know about them.

[Babyblue5290]

Hey that sound so cool I remember taking my Teka and my Jake to our local Festival. Now Teka was wearing a dress, and Jake was wearing a jogging suit. You should have seen the looks we received!:lol-sign:

Especially from the Sergent and the Deputy Cheif of Police!!!!!!!!!!

We all had a load of fun and that was all that counts

LOL that's so true! All that counts is the fun we have! :D lol

[DanL]

What?

German shepherd for work!

Where

I try to deal with reputable breeder's only

Who?

There are two people I would really be interested in doing business with in Ontario.
#1} Deb Meloche....a lady in Amhurstberg, Ontario. Awesome dogs and awesome abilities.
#2} Marc Auger.....his female came from Deb; I love the male's intensity and high drives. Just waiting to see what type of quality comes out as they are just starting out. They have got my attention though.

What do I expect?

Strong drives
Nerves of Steel
Healthy
Good working quality

Isn't Marc Auger's wife the one who used to post here about their "breeding program" that consisted of untested, untitled, and unregistered dogs?

Sorry, that whole program has too many question marks around it to be what I'd consider a reliable breeder.

[chickenlittle]

Isn't Marc Auger's wife the one who used to post here about their "breeding program" that consisted of untested, untitled, and unregistered dogs?

Sorry, that whole program has too many question marks around it to be what I'd consider a reliable breeder.



I don't know if Marc's wife posted here or not.

I do know that the dogs are registered, are tested for hips/elbows/cerf and many others. I also know that the references that Marc provides from vets, trainers and other breeders is extremely impressive.

Me personally, I look for police service type dogs, therefore titles mean zip to me. I am not sure what type of title you are looking for in this situation. I certainly would walk away from sport titles in a second; show titles are great for a show dog, not what I look for!

Notice the titles Deb Meloche's dogs have? None, but the pedigree is full of dogs doing the actual work. This is what I look for in my selection process.

Now I cannot defend or degrade the breeding program as the first litter will be on the ground in March from them. I have a deposit on that litter, because I want to see what comes out and like I said they have my attention.

Once I get a pup and get it going {about 18 months to 2 years from now} then I can tell exactly what type of quality or lack of; whichever the case may be they produce.

[darkchild16]

[QUOTE=Renee750il;471054]and it takes just that one "look" for me to know if it's My Dog or if it belongs to someone else.
[QUOTE]


that was so true with walker. I will always own at least one rescue dog but i will also have working pits and working coonhounds to work ;)

[DanL]

Your comments sound exactly like those yuckaduck used to make.

How can a dog under 2 years old be certified for hips and elbows? Why are they breeding a dog that is so far out of the breed standard that they themselves say he can't be used for police work?

What is "level 1 protection"?

[cindr]

Your comments sound exactly like those yuckaduck used to make.

How can a dog under 2 years old be certified for hips and elbows? Why are they breeding a dog that is so far out of the breed standard that they themselves say he can't be used for police work?

What is "level 1 protection"?

Hi it all depends on what country the dog is being certified from. I know that in the Usa the dogs will or can not be certified until the age of two. Canada they certify at 18 months. So it is a complicated avenue when you are dicussing certifications.

Now as far as the breeder trainer D. Meloche she has dogs that are certified in all aspects hips/elbow's/shoulders as well as the eye's are cleared prior to all and any breeding. Her dogs hold Sch 1 2 3 kkkl titles in the lineage, Cd, cdx and tdx as well, Yes most of the dogs go to Police Services and that is a great thing, Thus it is yes mainly about breeding quality dogs to quality dogs and making sure that all the areas are covered and covered well.

I personally believe that it is all about common sense, everyone here has their spacific areas of expertise and expectations from their dogs. No matter if we have differances veiws the most important rule is to be open enough to look learn and listen,

[Bowser]

I don't know if Marc's wife posted here or not.

I do know that the dogs are registered, are tested for hips/elbows/cerf and many others. I also know that the references that Marc provides from vets, trainers and other breeders is extremely impressive.

Me personally, I look for police service type dogs, therefore titles mean zip to me. I am not sure what type of title you are looking for in this situation. I certainly would walk away from sport titles in a second; show titles are great for a show dog, not what I look for!

Notice the titles Deb Meloche's dogs have? None, but the pedigree is full of dogs doing the actual work. This is what I look for in my selection process.

Now I cannot defend or degrade the breeding program as the first litter will be on the ground in March from them. I have a deposit on that litter, because I want to see what comes out and like I said they have my attention.

Once I get a pup and get it going {about 18 months to 2 years from now} then I can tell exactly what type of quality or lack of; whichever the case may be they produce.

About Deb Meloche - someone I know sent me this link. She seems to have an awful lot of dogs of very different breeds available. No wonder she doesn't have the dogs titled. I would doubt she'd have time, as she seems to have a lot of dogs going on!

http://www.adpost.com/ca/?website=&language=&session_key=&global_user_search=on&results_format=headlines&query=user&who_modified=zoegirl

[cindr]

About Deb Meloche - someone I know sent me this link. She seems to have an awful lot of dogs of very different breeds available. No wonder she doesn't have the dogs titled. I would doubt she'd have time, as she seems to have a lot of dogs going on!

http://www.adpost.com/ca/?website=&language=&session_key=&global_user_search=on&results_format=headlines&query=user&who_modified=zoegirl

I believe D. Meloche owns 2 Shepherds and 1 Dob adult. Yes people can advertise what they wish and do it as many times as they wish. As far as the dogs titles there are many. So before you discredit someone you should learn to ask questions rather than bash them. There are many ads as to Dog training and fund raising as well so does that make her a bad person?

[Bowser]

I never made any comment on Ms. Meloche as a person, nor did I bash her (I don't know her). I simply commented that she advertises a large number of different breeds of dogs for sale, and as such must be quite a busy individual. You are jumping to conclusions when you assume I am bashing her. I just found it intriguing that she has so many different varieties of breeds for sale. An astute dog person can interpret that as they wish. I also thought you said her dogs were not titled? Perhaps I misunderstood.

[casablanca1]

What, where and who would you go see and what would you expect to see when picking out your puppy or doggie?

I'm a dog person, I don't feel complete without a dog. When I look for a dog, I'm looking exclusively for companionship as I don't really have a desire to compete or participate in dog sports - for me, owning a dog is about being with the dog, not about being with 300 new friends at the trial or show. That said, I'm as choosy as the most competitive agility trainer when it comes to dogs. Physically, they must resemble my first dog, which means a shaggy 20-50lb dog with a beard. Second in importance, and just as vital, is that the dog has to be vibrant. I don't like stolid, sluggish, dull dogs. I look for a dog that WANTS OUT of the kennel, that rushes around like a locomotive, that pulls on the leash, wags its tail like a blur, jumps and is alight with energy and joy. Shelters are often startled I want these dogs, but I don't understand why so many people choose the 'hohum' animated hearth rugs that are apparently more popular. You can train a young dog, and if the dog's out of adolescence, most of that manic wildness will vanish once the dog realizes she's got a home and security. The joy, that palpable thrill of living, is worth every second of training.

As to where, I go to the same shelter where I got my first dog. The people there are responsible, and you can trust their evaluations on their animals. That's huge. There are shelters in my area I'd never go to, and I'd steer people away from, even though the dogs ultimately suffer. They're simply too poorly run. It's sad that there might be good dogs lost in the mess, but I wouldn't put myself or anyone else through the trouble of making up for their inadequacies. It's too easy to adopt a problem and be emotionally attached by the time you realize the extent of the issue.

[Beanie]

Aaaaanyway back on subject....

What?
I wanted a male sheltie pup. We've always had males, so I decided to stick with it. I wanted a companion dog, but agility or flyball or some other doggy sports was something I was interested in.

Where?
A breeder within an hour's drive. I wanted somebody who would be close enough to continue to be involved as he got bigger. Pictures are nice, but having your breeder actually put their hands on the puppy and check him out as he grows is really somethin' else... I didn't realize exactly HOW important that was to me until Auggie started getting bigger. Now it's an even bigger deal!

Who?
Jean Fisher! My dad worked with somebody who's girlfriend knew Jean from shows, IIRC, and pointed us in their direction. (There was a second sheltie breeder in the area that our vet pointed us to - she never returned my messages telling her I was looking into getting a puppy.) Conformation, herding, agility - yes, yes, and yes.

What do I expect?
An awesome, healthy dog who will own on the agility course. He's already awesome, so far he's been healthy, and we'll see how he does on the agility course. ;> He does very well making his own obstacle courses in the house, LOL!

[cindr]

I never made any comment on Ms. Meloche as a person, nor did I bash her (I don't know her). I simply commented that she advertises a large number of different breeds of dogs for sale, and as such must be quite a busy individual. You are jumping to conclusions when you assume I am bashing her. I just found it intriguing that she has so many different varieties of breeds for sale. An astute dog person can interpret that as they wish. I also thought you said her dogs were not titled? Perhaps I misunderstood.

That it is totally understandable I would question it too. Yes her dogs are titled. Her dog Miss Fritz is just getting ready to be certified as to Search and rescue dog. She does the job well. I do not know where I think it is chidee that said that not me

[cindr]

I don't know if Marc's wife posted here or not.

I do know that the dogs are registered, are tested for hips/elbows/cerf and many others. I also know that the references that Marc provides from vets, trainers and other breeders is extremely impressive.

Me personally, I look for police service type dogs, therefore titles mean zip to me. I am not sure what type of title you are looking for in this situation. I certainly would walk away from sport titles in a second; show titles are great for a show dog, not what I look for!

Notice the titles Deb Meloche's dogs have? None, but the pedigree is full of dogs doing the actual work. This is what I look for in my selection process.

Now I cannot defend or degrade the breeding program as the first litter will be on the ground in March from them. I have a deposit on that litter, because I want to see what comes out and like I said they have my attention.

Once I get a pup and get it going {about 18 months to 2 years from now} then I can tell exactly what type of quality or lack of; whichever the case may be they produce.

Exactly: There is always potential in any ones breedings, sure they may not have any titles, but you can look at the dogs in the pedigree. Now I know that they Augers have one of my dogs. Glory.A short stocked working line, sure has some white on her although does not take away from the quality in her breeding. She comes from some of my impressive breeding dogs.

Tucker out of top german holland breeding Sch 1, 2, 3 kkl1 Started in bh for sch.

Yeka K-9 security, building, vehicle search personal protection dog. East German Ddr lines

Teka Fully trained Search and Rescue, K-9 Security, Narcotic Patrol,building and Vehicle search dog. High and intense strong nerves ready to go when ever needed. Completed Personal Protection dog

Jake: Fully trained K-9 Security, building search vehicle search, narcotic patrol dog. Extreme intensive personal protection dog.

And the list goes on. As far as the papers I beleive he choses to register with the Apr Registry. That is his choice and to be honest with you as long as there are some sort of paper trail on the dogs who should care.

Now yes there are some issues that needed to be corrected and I have dealt with them and they have listened well to instructions with the proper approach. The dogs are no longer on tow chains. But in full kennel indoor out door runs. They have a rescue program which I would say is honorable.

Now as far as their breeding program is concerned, there are only three dogs that they are working with and that is Glory, Yukon, and Ava. Ava another of my breeding. As well what I understand is that they have not had a litter of their own as yet. So as far as I am concerned all and every one requires the benifit of the doubt.

I will tell you this, I am the type of person that will give just about anyone a chance. If I see that any of my dogs are being miss treated I will deal with the issue and deal with it hard. So if there were to be any type of abuse directed to the dogs she or any one that has received from me be assured they would have been removed in a heart beat.

I will state this I have worked very hard for the reputation that I have and I will be damed if any one ruin it for me. So when I see a potential problem, I take the time out of my busy day and go and work with yours. I can say I have given them permission to use the information at hand on Glory and Ava. Why not it is the truth and why keep that from anyone. Good luck with the pup you receive from the Auger's and keep in touch with us so we can see how the dog is developing

[chickenlittle]

Exactly: There is always potential in any ones breedings, sure they may not have any titles, but you can look at the dogs in the pedigree. Now I know that they Augers have one of my dogs. Glory.A short stocked working line, sure has some white on her although does not take away from the quality in her breeding. She comes from some of my impressive breeding dogs.

Tucker out of top german holland breeding Sch 1, 2, 3 kkl1 Started in bh for sch.

Yeka K-9 security, building, vehicle search personal protection dog. East German Ddr lines

Teka Fully trained Search and Rescue, K-9 Security, Narcotic Patrol,building and Vehicle search dog. High and intense strong nerves ready to go when ever needed. Completed Personal Protection dog

Jake: Fully trained K-9 Security, building search vehicle search, narcotic patrol dog. Extreme intensive personal protection dog.

And the list goes on. As far as the papers I beleive he choses to register with the Apr Registry. That is his choice and to be honest with you as long as there are some sort of paper trail on the dogs who should care.

Now yes there are some issues that needed to be corrected and I have dealt with them and they have listened well to instructions with the proper approach. The dogs are no longer on tow chains. But in full kennel indoor out door runs. They have a rescue program which I would say is honorable.

Now as far as their breeding program is concerned, there are only three dogs that they are working with and that is Glory, Yukon, and Ava. Ava another of my breeding. As well what I understand is that they have not had a litter of their own as yet. So as far as I am concerned all and every one requires the benifit of the doubt.

I will tell you this, I am the type of person that will give just about anyone a chance. If I see that any of my dogs are being miss treated I will deal with the issue and deal with it hard. So if there were to be any type of abuse directed to the dogs she or any one that has received from me be assured they would have been removed in a heart beat.

I will state this I have worked very hard for the reputation that I have and I will be damed if any one ruin it for me. So when I see a potential problem, I take the time out of my busy day and go and work with yours. I can say I have given them permission to use the information at hand on Glory and Ava. Why not it is the truth and why keep that from anyone. Good luck with the pup you receive from the Auger's and keep in touch with us so we can see how the dog is developing

I'll certainly let you know what happens and how it works out.

I am the type of person who goes and looks at the dogs before I decide anything. Anyone can say anything. The proof is in the fur in front of me.

I have met the Auger's; I have met Deb Meloche; I find both extremely responsible and reputable. I do find Deb has much more knowledge then the Auger's but she has been in the business much longer and she should have more knowledge.

Now that female shepherd Miss Joy that Deb has, wow. Miss Fritz...wow.
Never saw a building search done so well as that dog.

Now go watch that male of Auger's track. Wow. Check his protection {bite work} Wow
The younger female has nerves of steel, but is very raw. No training. From what I was told the basic's are being started.

I will PM more with you as I think the Auger's are alittle taboo to be discussed openly here.

[Meggie]

About Deb Meloche - someone I know sent me this link. She seems to have an awful lot of dogs of very different breeds available. No wonder she doesn't have the dogs titled. I would doubt she'd have time, as she seems to have a lot of dogs going on!

http://www.adpost.com/ca/?website=&language=&session_key=&global_user_search=on&results_format=headlines&query=user&who_modified=zoegirl

Tell me something though, does she breed all those dogs herself? Or does she have different breeders at different places working for her, kwim? Sort of a network? I'm curious as to whether they allow you to visit the breeder or if the puppies are brought to her facilities to meet the new owners. I've never heard of K9 Dogs 4 You, sounds like they're a really busy facility! Even a Quarter Horse listed on there.

And what exactly is APR registration?

[cindr]

Tell me something though, does she breed all those dogs herself? Or does she have different breeders at different places working for her, kwim? Sort of a network? I'm curious as to whether they allow you to visit the breeder or if the puppies are brought to her facilities to meet the new owners. I've never heard of K9 Dogs 4 You, sounds like they're a really busy facility! Even a Quarter Horse listed on there.

And what exactly is APR registration?

hi; K-9 Dogs 4 You is a Dog Training Center, Held in a little town of Amherstburg Ontario Canada. What we do there is hold Full dog training courses for individuals that wish to become a professional dog trainer. After hours dog training and grooming of all breeds of dogs.

We as well are offering a program called "SPONSOR A KID TRAIN A DOG"

I see you noticed the ads avail. One especially a Horse. Well that ad was placed for a great freind of mine that I rode in Horse shows with many moons ago. He is one of Ontario's top barrel racer and breeder. Would do just about anything for him as he would do just about anything for me.

Then the other ads. Well they were to be deleted but Oh well. Not a problem. We do not breed anything other than German Shepherds and Dobermans here. The other ads were to assist those who did not have a internet or way to advertise their dogs. So again we helped them out.

Yes we are busy, we assist with the homeless, (people) we assist with the local food mission in sponsoring them financially or voluntering. We just do what we do to help others out. No harm in that We have a load of fun doing it too.

[mamie]

wow those questions really make someone think. for myself, when my grand children are older, I will want a tea cup yorki I will at that time find a reputable breeder. for now, since we just got Ginger last week, I wanted a companion. Someone to take walks with and just snugle up to. so I went to the pound and found exacly what I was looking for she came in about 5 minutes after I did. Her owner had passed away. It was love at first sight.

[cindr]

wow those questions really make someone think. for myself, when my grand children are older, I will want a tea cup yorki I will at that time find a reputable breeder. for now, since we just got Ginger last week, I wanted a companion. Someone to take walks with and just snugle up to. so I went to the pound and found exacly what I was looking for she came in about 5 minutes after I did. Her owner had passed away. It was love at first sight.

Sounds awesome. All that matters is the love:lol-sign: :cool:

[otch1]

I realize I am late in joining this post and am off subject a bit, but as you know from previous posts, I try to do my homework so I feel like I know who I'm speaking to, if my advise is appropriate, ect. Cindr... after reading your posts, I was confused and I know it's easily cleared up so, here goes. You said you own a training center K-9 Dogs 4 You, so does Deb Meloche. You own Miss Fritzy, she owns Miss Fritz. (Litter mates) You are starting a program, "sponsor a kid, train a dog", so is she. You own 2 GSDs' and a Dobie, so does she. You have a rescue Dogo, she has a Dogo and is currently looking for a stud service. Deb Meloche advertises GSD's, Dobies, french bulldog, english bulldog, Min. Pin. Golden ret. Maltese, Lab and Pugs for sale and is looking to breed Dogos. (Someone having made a comment about how these 9 different dogs for sale are certainly a lot.) Do you two just own the training center together? I too, was concerned to see how many dogs were for sale by this person, and thought you might clear that up. Not to insult you, (or she) I just like to know who I'm talking to (as best I can considering it's the internet. Lol ) Have a nice evening.

[Ashlea]

What anything that touches my heart

Where the shelter

Why for snoodles of course, long loving snoodles and play and kisses.

[cindr]

I realize I am late in joining this post and am off subject a bit, but as you know from previous posts, I try to do my homework so I feel like I know who I'm speaking to, if my advise is appropriate, ect. Cindr... after reading your posts, I was confused and I know it's easily cleared up so, here goes. You said you own a training center K-9 Dogs 4 You, so does Deb Meloche. You own Miss Fritzy, she owns Miss Fritz. (Litter mates) You are starting a program, "sponsor a kid, train a dog", so is she. You own 2 GSDs' and a Dobie, so does she. You have a rescue Dogo, she has a Dogo and is currently looking for a stud service. Deb Meloche advertises GSD's, Dobies, french bulldog, english bulldog, Min. Pin. Golden ret. Maltese, Lab and Pugs for sale and is looking to breed Dogos. (Someone having made a comment about how these 9 different dogs for sale are certainly a lot.) Do you two just own the training center together? I too, was concerned to see how many dogs were for sale by this person, and thought you might clear that up. Not to insult you, (or she) I just like to know who I'm talking to (as best I can considering it's the internet. Lol ) Have a nice evening.
Hi yes I am Deb Meloche and I own 3 dogs. We did have a Dogo and we placed her 3 weeks ago. We were going to breed her although could not find a sutable male. We found a wonderful home for her and now again we are down to 3 adult dogs. We do train, we groom and we assist others to place their dogs. Now these people that we assist are reputable breeders. As you know I would not accept anything less.

I take the time to assist both sides of the coin, the purchaser and the breeder in placing these dogs avail. It is important to us that we work together rather than against each other. If I make $50.00 to help either party I am happy. So yes I am trying to do my best with all areas concerned and to be honest with you tired of the weardo's that you meet out there. Let it be purchasers and or breeders. So why do it? Who knows I think I like to bash my self everyonce in awhile. :lol-sign:

[RD]

You were going to breed a rescue dog?


:(

[Roxy's CD]

Well, my guys came to me... Roxy all the choice I was given was male or female, clearly I chose female.

Hades, well, I "had the choice" between him and Mercedes. Which one I would keep, and I chose Hades because he was a male. To get along with Roxy.

Now, what I'm "looking for". I've recently been leaning towards waiting much longer than first expected for my other dog.

What: Beauceron/Rottweiler

Why: Obedience work/possibly SchH or FR sport

Where: Reputable breeder

[~Tucker&Me~]

I love Tucker, don't get me wrong... But he's not what I want for my next dog.

What:
Probably a herding breed os some sort, not yet decided.

Why:
I just want a dog who is drivey, and enjoys work. A little bit of protection is a bonus as well. Pretty active-active.

Where:
A reputable breeder.

~Tucker

[Ilyena]

What?
A male Cavalier King Charles Spaniel (that is not the breed I'd really want but I think it's a good second choice for a first-time dog owner; my top choice would be a Flatcoated Retriever, however I don't feel I can properly house such an active dog atm.)

Where?
Reputable breeders somewhere nearby so I can go for multiple visits before bringing the puppy home.

What do I expect?
Friendly towards everyone
Loyalty
Confident
Intelligent
Gets along well with other animals
Fairly active, able to do agility & obedience (for fun, not competition)

[moxiegrl]

My next dog is going to be a rescue...unless something changes where I would want to show a dog, then rescuing makes me feel good, knowing that you gave a dog that might not have it the best possible life. Plus Im addicted to mutts.

The breed will probably be a pit mix, one of the bully breeds. There are SOO many in shelters around here. It will probably be a female and a puppy or young, so I can raise it the way I like. I do feel bad for older dogs in shelters, and not to say I wouldnt ever get an older dog, but especially w/ the bully breeds I would prefer a younger pup.

[cindr]

[QUOTE=RD;480124]You were going to breed a rescue dog?


:([/QUOT

No I was not going to breed a rescue dog. I did take the dog in for training and the owners did not want her back. So with her breeding back ground had we found a male we would have bred her. But there were no good dogs around. She is much happier with the new owners anyhow

[wolfsoul]

What?

Belgian shepherd -- likely just groenendael, but maybe a terv one day.

Where

A reputable breeder. The next puppy I'm getting outside my lines I'm importing from Domaine Ponti in Belgium. I don't think I will get a pup outside of my lines otherwise, but if for whatever reason I do, there are very few breeders I'd go to.

What do I expect?

Friendliness towards everything --- nothing shy or aggressive
Nerves of steel -- nothing sharp
High energy and athletic ability
Quiet
Calm indoors
Medium well-controlled drive
Eagerness to please
Solid and stable, good temperment
Beautiful conformation

[MyIrishWolfie]

What- Irish Wolfhound

Where- USA

Who-From a well known, responsible breeder who has been breeding Irish Wolfhounds for 10yrs +

What do I expect- For me... I expect the breeder to quiz me on everything from why I want an Wolfhound, what makes me think I should have one, to the smallest detail as to where the Wolfhound will sleep... and then I expect to be put on a waiting list.

For the Wolfhound- I expect a good strong pup. A good background and a guarantee from the breeder that if I should have trouble with my pup that I can give him/her a call and they will be there for me.

[doberkim]

You were going to breed a rescue dog?


:(
why not, so was yuckaduck. or did she do that already?


seems to be youre a bit disingenuous to let people talk about your dogs and your breeding program and have you discuss them without admitting thats who you are.


quite frankly, i see a ton of excuses and not a lot of doing.


and to top it off, your listings (even if you are listing for someone else) - has an 18 month old dobe male up for stud.

18 months?
and hes BLUE?


come on, the gig is up. go sell stupid somewhere else.

[doberkim]

[QUOTE=RD;480124]You were going to breed a rescue dog?


:([/QUOT

No I was not going to breed a rescue dog. I did take the dog in for training and the owners did not want her back. So with her breeding back ground had we found a male we would have bred her. But there were no good dogs around. She is much happier with the new owners anyhow

your intro post states the dogo was a rescue, doesnt it?
same excuse yuckaduck used, right? at first it was a rescue from a horrible situation, then all of a sudden she was breeding it and it wasnt a rescue anymore.

[doberkim]

I believe D. Meloche owns 2 Shepherds and 1 Dob adult. Yes people can advertise what they wish and do it as many times as they wish. As far as the dogs titles there are many. So before you discredit someone you should learn to ask questions rather than bash them. There are many ads as to Dog training and fund raising as well so does that make her a bad person?

see? disingenous.

you believe?
you just stated you ARE her.

why not admit it rather than playing games?

[doberkim]

Exactly: There is always potential in any ones breedings, sure they may not have any titles, but you can look at the dogs in the pedigree. Now I know that they Augers have one of my dogs. Glory.A short stocked working line, sure has some white on her although does not take away from the quality in her breeding. She comes from some of my impressive breeding dogs.

Tucker out of top german holland breeding Sch 1, 2, 3 kkl1 Started in bh for sch.

Yeka K-9 security, building, vehicle search personal protection dog. East German Ddr lines

Teka Fully trained Search and Rescue, K-9 Security, Narcotic Patrol,building and Vehicle search dog. High and intense strong nerves ready to go when ever needed. Completed Personal Protection dog

Jake: Fully trained K-9 Security, building search vehicle search, narcotic patrol dog. Extreme intensive personal protection dog.

And the list goes on. As far as the papers I beleive he choses to register with the Apr Registry. That is his choice and to be honest with you as long as there are some sort of paper trail on the dogs who should care.

Now yes there are some issues that needed to be corrected and I have dealt with them and they have listened well to instructions with the proper approach. The dogs are no longer on tow chains. But in full kennel indoor out door runs. They have a rescue program which I would say is honorable.

Now as far as their breeding program is concerned, there are only three dogs that they are working with and that is Glory, Yukon, and Ava. Ava another of my breeding. As well what I understand is that they have not had a litter of their own as yet. So as far as I am concerned all and every one requires the benifit of the doubt.

I will tell you this, I am the type of person that will give just about anyone a chance. If I see that any of my dogs are being miss treated I will deal with the issue and deal with it hard. So if there were to be any type of abuse directed to the dogs she or any one that has received from me be assured they would have been removed in a heart beat.

I will state this I have worked very hard for the reputation that I have and I will be damed if any one ruin it for me. So when I see a potential problem, I take the time out of my busy day and go and work with yours. I can say I have given them permission to use the information at hand on Glory and Ava. Why not it is the truth and why keep that from anyone. Good luck with the pup you receive from the Auger's and keep in touch with us so we can see how the dog is developing


what about the lab that they had and were breeding?

yukon isn't even 2 years old and has been advertised at stud for a long time.
what health testing has he had?

and how convenient that the male she has in house will be bred to both of her bitches.

and she WOULD have a link about why hip testing is worthless.

if she hasnt had any litters, why did she post here last month that glory was due?

some things never change. i see the labs arent even on her website anymore.

[cindr]

see? disingenous.

you believe?
you just stated you ARE her.

why not admit it rather than playing games?
Now this is really funny!!:lol-sign: How is it that I have stated my name and my location to everyone here? To be recognised as a duck? Or that as yuck a duck?

Yes there seemed to be a few issues i noticed in that area although those issues were beteen you and yuck a duck not me. So if you would like to get your fax straight then we can start and not untill.

Remember this is your issue not mine. So if you wish to think I am yuck a duck go ahead. I will be laughing all the way to the bank with that one. Why cause that is a rich thought. No pun intended.

I have nothing to hide and have not hidden anything here at any time so if you have a greivence with yuck a duck. Please feel free to go find her. Cause she is not here. thanx Deb Ako cindr :lol-sign:

As well if you are trying to discredit me? Honey it ain't gona work! Why because yuck a duck would argue with you. I won't! So if you happen to find yuck a duck some where please say hi for me! Thanx

[doberkim]

Now this is really funny!!:lol-sign: How is it that I have stated my name and my location to everyone here? To be recognised as a duck? Or that as yuck a duck?

Yes there seemed to be a few issues i noticed in that area although those issues were betwenn you and yuck a duck not me. So if you would like to get your fax straight then we can start and not untill.

Remember this is your issue not mine. So if you wish to think I am yuck a duck go ahead. I will be laughing all the way to the bank with that one. Why cause that is a rich thought. No pun intended.

I have nothing to hide and have not hidden anything here at any time so if you have a greivence with yuck a duck. Please feel free to go find her. Cause she is not here. thanx Deb Ako cindr :lol-sign:

jesus, can you read english? you wrote " i believe deb owns" -

why would you have to "believe" - are you not her? yes you DID hide who you were, by speaking of deb as if she were a third person and NOT YOURSELF.

where did i ever say you were yuckaduck? i never accused you of being heather auger.

is english your first language?

[Meggie]

As well if you are trying to discredit me? Honey it ain't gona work! Why because yuck a duck would argue with you. I won't! So if you happen to find yuck a duck some where please say hi for me! Thanx

Nobody's trying to discredit you, it's more of a "Once bitten, twice shy" thing, I think.

Do you need the url for Heather's forum then? I don't have it, but I think several here do and belong. Maybe you could ask for somebody to PM it to you?

I'm not sure what's going on, who you are, whatever. I do know that "Yuckaduck" is either still here or lurks. Not sure why, nor do I care. Sometimes things should just be let go, kwim?

Dishonesty on the internet is nothing new. Live and Learn.

[cindr]

jesus, can you read english? you wrote " i believe deb owns" -

why would you have to "believe" - are you not her? yes you DID hide who you were, by speaking of deb as if she were a third person and NOT YOURSELF.

where did i ever say you were yuckaduck? i never accused you of being heather auger.

is english your first language?

Hey I just know what was said. (you believe? you stated you are her! Why not admidt it rather than playing games!)

Sounds like you were believing that I was Heather Auger. That's why I stated what I did. I am not her at all. I have nothing to hide. But I just thought I would straighten that one out.

Heather had:

Labs at one time, why she liked the breeds, she did the best by them but after talking to me about it. She came to a conclusion to focus on one breed as to her breeding program. So she sold the dogs. Good choice for her:

Yukon; Well he is a nice dog and she has a trainer now that she is working with. She is taking the initutive to become more educacted, Good For her:

Glory: Yes she did breed the dog but no pups hey it happens so all evaluations are done. The dog is fine and she is now training her as well.

Ava: 5 months old enroled in Ob and socialization class. Starting off in the right direction. Another good for her.

Heather is just like anyone else that starts out in the dog world. Mind you she did have an attitude and to be honest it was hers to have. So given the time that I have taken to assist with the restructures to her new faciltity and the attitude as to training understanding and breeding of her dogs. Then I have to give her a A for the change.

Everyone starts off in their own directions what they think they should do and how to do it. We all have to learn by our mistakes and to be honest with you it is not up to me and or you to judge.

So If I missunderstood what you had said I appoligise for that. It seems aweful funny that the comments were made at all. Anyhow I am done with it and will go no further with it at all.

[cindr]

Nobody's trying to discredit you, it's more of a "Once bitten, twice shy" thing, I think.

Do you need the url for Heather's forum then? I don't have it, but I think several here do and belong. Maybe you could ask for somebody to PM it to you?

I'm not sure what's going on, who you are, whatever. I do know that "Yuckaduck" is either still here or lurks. Not sure why, nor do I care. Sometimes things should just be let go, kwim?

Dishonesty on the internet is nothing new. Live and Learn.

What do you mean once bit twice shy?

[Meggie]

What do you mean once bit twice shy?

Nothing personal. How could it be, I don't know you, right? It's the internet and sometimes people just aren't too trusting right from the get-go, kwim?

[dr2little]

I KNEW IT!!!!! I too do my research....

[cindr]

I am sorry but I need to laugh.:lol-sign: I sincerely can not get over this! I find that it is a joke!:lol-sign: That people can jump too conclusions and assumtions so quickly. But again not my issue and or problem.

As stated I am who I am and nothing but who I am. So if thats wrong I can't do anything for you and your thinking. Why because it is yours. No one elses but yours. Therefore you can keep it and hold on to it as tight as you wish. I need not to challange your thoughts as you need not attempt to challange mine. As stated we, none of us know each other. So to say things about some one is to attempt to bring attention to it and yourself. So yuup you all can keep it.

If you think I am going to get angry over this? Nope not at all. No need too. :cool: So anyhow have a great day and remember before you judge someone! Get to know them first. Or better yet don't bother. Why? Missery loves company! I know one thing I am not misserable and have no reason to be. So again good luck to what you think you have and think you own on me!!!!!!!!!

[Brattina88]

:confused: what is going on? Cindr is Heather? Or Heather's friend?? You were *going to* breed a rescue??

so confused...

:(

[RD]

I'm not accusing you of being Heather/Marc Auger, either. All I know is that bunch and all those associated with them are quite shifty regarding their breeding practices. They're quite accustomed to lying to get around questions that are brought up regarding their dogs. I don't know you, and I don't know if you're lying here, but a lot of things just don't match up. WHY would you feel the need to pretend you aren't you, in order to discuss the dogs you're breeding? The only explanation that makes sense to me is that you are trying to hide something.

If you truly care about dogs, why are you doing things that will only harm dogs in the future? If you cared more about the dogs than your pocketbook, you'd be responsible about what dogs you breed (ie: no RESCUE dogs of unknown origin, no 1-year-old dogs, etc)

You are doing exactly what the Augers do in regards to titling - if you spent as much time training as you do making excuses, you'd have some OTCHs by now. You say your dogs are trained so well in these fields, so prove it. Just DO it. If you have titles and PROOF that your dogs are what you say they are (genuine proof, not your word that they were trained that way) I'll shut up.

Excuses and half-truths do not make someone an ethical breeder, Deb, contrary to what you may believe.

[dr2little]

hi; K-9 Dogs 4 You is a Dog Training Center, Held in a little town of Amherstburg Ontario Canada. What we do there is hold Full dog training courses for individuals that wish to become a professional dog trainer. After hours dog training and grooming of all breeds of dogs.

You teach a course for people who want to become a professional dog trainers?

[Doberluv]

This thread needs to get back on topic and get off the personal stuff. What do you expect from your dog?

[cindr]

I'm not accusing you of being Heather/Marc Auger, either. All I know is that bunch and all those associated with them are quite shifty regarding their breeding practices. They're quite accustomed to lying to get around questions that are brought up regarding their dogs. I don't know you, and I don't know if you're lying here, but a lot of things just don't match up. WHY would you feel the need to pretend you aren't you, in order to discuss the dogs you're breeding? The only explanation that makes sense to me is that you are trying to hide something.

If you truly care about dogs, why are you doing things that will only harm dogs in the future? If you cared more about the dogs than your pocketbook, you'd be responsible about what dogs you breed (ie: no RESCUE dogs of unknown origin, no 1-year-old dogs, etc)

You are doing exactly what the Augers do in regards to titling - if you spent as much time training as you do making excuses, you'd have some OTCHs by now. You say your dogs are trained so well in these fields, so prove it. Just DO it. If you have titles and PROOF that your dogs are what you say they are (genuine proof, not your word that they were trained that way) I'll shut up.

Excuses and half-truths do not make someone an ethical breeder, Deb, contrary to what you may believe.


Okay;

1) I have never made excusses at any time on this forum. No need too!
2) Where have I stated that I am some one I am not? Or lied about my breeding practises? We have 3 dogs and they are all registered. We have only bred our female Gsd and she is 27 months old. Her sister Joy has come in and out of season 3 times and will not be bred. Not our purpose. We bring in dogs for our training program thus no matter the breed the dogs are trained. They are then donated to either a Special Needs person or a Police Service in need. Thus I have no need to make up stories there at anytime. Where as I can prove them with out a doubt.
3) I have NOTHING TO HIDE! NOW OR EVER!
4) I am NOT HEATHER AUGER and have helped her out by assisting her with proper breeding and training guidence. Where as she has now cleaned up her facility! Why? Most definetly not by attacking her and her best interests but restructuring her thoughts and beliefs with kindness. Nothing else
5) I have trained dogs and received these titles; 1) Stolhuska Jake Cd title High score Ob. 90 % of my dogs go to Policing Services and not any where else.
6) Received Canadian Champion titles on my male Adam
I have not attempted a OTCH and do not need too as my dogs are trained spacifically for other areas. I therefore hope that this is worthy of your approval!:hail:

[cindr]

This thread needs to get back on topic and get off the personal stuff. What do you expect from your dog?

Thank you very much for attempting to redirect this topic. :cool:

[cindr]

You teach a course for people who want to become a professional dog trainers?
Yeah I do so what is wrong with that??????

[whatszmatter]

I say keep up with the personal stuff. There are so many lies on the internet, and more than a few pages put forth by this HEather person, her ideas and attitudes shift daily from web board to web board, I've run across her before and every place she's been has been a train wreck, yet every so often she finds a group of people that aren't familiar with the 1000's of other twisted stories she's told, but eventually she trips up in her lies and gets exposed once again. I believe since this site has such high traffic she should have a sticky in her honor warning people about her.

I have no idea if Cindr is her or not, I could care less. But before Heather was against breeding Mal's with GSD's for breeding and rather recently she had the most timid scared looking specimen of a dog on her website of just that mix claiming she was going to be adding her to her breeding program, did you give her that guidance??

[cindr]

I am going to say this and then drop the subject all together. Since everyone here wants to take a peice out of me!

1) Where does it say that to be a trainer you must only train and handle one breed of dog?

2) Where does it say that because I breed a spacific breed of dog I can not assist another dog find a home?

3) Where does it say that To be a trainer you must hold a title or two?

4) Where does it say that I am a something I am not any where on this forum. I beleive the issue is this that the people that are attacking me are doing so why because?

1) They can

2) Because they wish too

3) They have nothing better to do!!! and missery loves company!:popcorn:

[cindr]

I say keep up with the personal stuff. There are so many lies on the internet, and more than a few pages put forth by this HEather person, her ideas and attitudes shift daily from web board to web board, I've run across her before and every place she's been has been a train wreck, yet every so often she finds a group of people that aren't familiar with the 1000's of other twisted stories she's told, but eventually she trips up in her lies and gets exposed once again. I believe since this site has such high traffic she should have a sticky in her honor warning people about her.

I have no idea if Cindr is her or not, I could care less. But before Heather was against breeding Mal's with GSD's for breeding and rather recently she had the most timid scared looking specimen of a dog on her website of just that mix claiming she was going to be adding her to her breeding program, did you give her that guidance??


Actually I told her that the dog she had was not a pure. That she should place that dog and not breed it. For some reason she has listened again. Hum tell me why is it she can listen to me and not any one else? I believe it has a lot to do with attitudes. As a matter of fact I have been working with her on the honesty program as well.

The thing about all of this and I truly understand. I as well as any one else are tired of the ways people play with animals lives. So there for it is no differnace then training an old dog new tricks. can it be done? Yes and I have accomplished that feet in many ways and many times.

[dr2little]

Yeah I do so what is wrong with that??????

I was just curious because some of your advise seems a bit confusing.

[cindr]

I was just curious because some of your advise seems a bit confusing.

I appoligise,that's fair. Sorry If I was rude!

[chickenlittle]

. But before Heather was against breeding Mal's with GSD's for breeding and rather recently she had the most timid scared looking specimen of a dog on her website of just that mix claiming she was going to be adding her to her breeding program, did you give her that guidance??


I am just curious as I am Heather's trainer; where you ever saw she was breeding this dog. I know she claimed it was brought in for training; which is true because it is in my kennel right now being worked with. I also know everytime I have looked on her website I saw it state not for breeding, but brought in for training. I also know currently the dog is listed on her site for sale; while I continue working with her and as I put more training in on the dog.

So if lying is so bad, which I tend think it is; why do you insist on doing it?


Cindr is Deb about 12 hours away from Heather. Does it matter?

One last thing and then I am gone from this site as it is not my style. I am going back to Heather's.

If you guys would have taken the time to educate Heather as Deb and I have in the manner that we have; then I honestly believe you would all be as proud as Deb and I are.

Deb we gotta meet someday as I really love the way you post so straight to the facts. There should be more like you!

[cindr]

I am just curious as I am Heather's trainer; where you ever saw she was breeding this dog. I know she claimed it was brought in for training; which is true because it is in my kennel right now being worked with. I also know everytime I have looked on her website I saw it state not for breeding, but brought in for training. I also know currently the dog is listed on her site for sale; while I continue working with her and as I put more training in on the dog.

So if lying is so bad, which I tend think it is; why do you insist on doing it?


Cindr is Deb about 12 hours away from Heather. Does it matter?

One last thing and then I am gone from this site as it is not my style. I am going back to Heather's.

If you guys would have taken the time to educate Heather as Deb and I have in the manner that we have; then I honestly believe you would all be as proud as Deb and I are.

Deb we gotta meet someday as I really love the way you post so straight to the facts. There should be more like you!

Well yes Chickenlittle we should meet some day. It is too bad when some one begins to assume things about others rather than taking the time to get to the person first. I do beleive that at one time Heather and her husband had been lead in the wrong direction. She did at one time say some worng things, I will state with the right approach she has taken the time to listen.

yes there were some heated conversations, but to be honest with you I am so straight foreward that I won in the end. So no I do not give up on people and or at that dogs. No matter the breed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[corsomom]

You should meet someday? Why, on page 4 you say you already have.Hard to keep it all straight, isn't it?

[doberkim]

its like a circus :)

[~Tucker&Me~]

:rolleyes:

This is ridiculous.

Can we all stop acting like two year olds and stay on subject?

~Tucker

[cindr]

its like a circus :)

Yes I noticed that post as well. Although as you noticed I did not confirm the statement. Thus I can state full well that I have not meet Chickenlittle at any time. I can now see where the confusion is. Due to a few posts that I had written. Yes in a third party. Hum I am glad you directed my attention to that.

Now I understand why there was so much drama. I will take the responsibility for that mistake. I do appoligise to all of you. Now as far as the other stuff such as back yard breedings and pup mills would never happen here. I help people with their issues and to be honest with you some one has too. So again I do take this time to appoligise for some of the earlier posts.

[RD]

Okay;

1) I have never made excusses at any time on this forum. No need too!
2) Where have I stated that I am some one I am not? Or lied about my breeding practises? We have 3 dogs and they are all registered. We have only bred our female Gsd and she is 27 months old. Her sister Joy has come in and out of season 3 times and will not be bred. Not our purpose. We bring in dogs for our training program thus no matter the breed the dogs are trained. They are then donated to either a Special Needs person or a Police Service in need. Thus I have no need to make up stories there at anytime. Where as I can prove them with out a doubt.
3) I have NOTHING TO HIDE! NOW OR EVER!
4) I am NOT HEATHER AUGER and have helped her out by assisting her with proper breeding and training guidence. Where as she has now cleaned up her facility! Why? Most definetly not by attacking her and her best interests but restructuring her thoughts and beliefs with kindness. Nothing else
5) I have trained dogs and received these titles; 1) Stolhuska Jake Cd title High score Ob. 90 % of my dogs go to Policing Services and not any where else.
6) Received Canadian Champion titles on my male Adam
I have not attempted a OTCH and do not need too as my dogs are trained spacifically for other areas. I therefore hope that this is worthy of your approval!:hail:
The OTCH comment was sarcasm, btw. ;)

I apologize if my post had an accusatory tone. I don't mean to give you the third degree - I just wanted to clear things up.

By speaking of yourself in the third person, it gives people the impression that you are NOT that person. It wasn't a lie, it was just sneaky. If you have nothing to hide, why not come right out and say who you are? Rather than waiting until OTCH called you out?

90% of all your litters go to train as police dogs? I find that difficult to believe. I spoke at length with a police officer in charge of the K9 unit here in Gilbert, and they have a grand total of three dogs. All are Malinois imported from Holland. Maybe it's different where you live, but here they only have a few, impeccably bred and carefully trained individuals.

I'm having a hard time following you and some of your stories really don't add up. Just reminds me too much of Heather . . . Sorry cindr.

[cindr]

The OTCH comment was sarcasm, btw. ;)

I apologize if my post had an accusatory tone. I don't mean to give you the third degree - I just wanted to clear things up.

By speaking of yourself in the third person, it gives people the impression that you are NOT that person. It wasn't a lie, it was just sneaky. If you have nothing to hide, why not come right out and say who you are? Rather than waiting until OTCH called you out?

90% of all your litters go to train as police dogs? I find that difficult to believe. I spoke at length with a police officer in charge of the K9 unit here in Gilbert, and they have a grand total of three dogs. All are Malinois imported from Holland. Maybe it's different where you live, but here they only have a few, impeccably bred and carefully trained individuals.

I'm having a hard time following you and some of your stories really don't add up. Just reminds me too much of Heather . . . Sorry cindr.

Hi I will give you the right to say that! But one thing I will state is this about the Police Service Dogs. You spoke to one Police Officer, and there are only three dogs. Now do some grafic's how many Police Services are there in Canada and the USA that use k-9 Dogs? Not all of them have the money to purchase an import and if they have the opportunity to locate one or more in the area they are happy. Especially if they are donated!

Not to many people do that I can assure you. So again I will state that I did pull a fast one and that was wrong. I appoligised for it and now again shall move on. There is no reason to appoligise you had to do what you felt you should. No worries I am over it:p :o :cool:

[RD]

Oh, I absolutely understand that it's not just one that you donate/sell dogs to. I admit I know very little about police work, but doesn't it take a very special individual to "cut it" as a police service dog? If 90% of all litters originally go to train as police dogs, how many actually have the right stuff for that kind of work? Do you sell dogs as puppies or adolescent/adults? I'm not picking at what you do, just interested in learning more.

[cindr]

Oh, I absolutely understand that it's not just one that you donate/sell dogs to. I admit I know very little about police work, but doesn't it take a very special individual to "cut it" as a police service dog? If 90% of all litters originally go to train as police dogs, how many actually have the right stuff for that kind of work? Do you sell dogs as puppies or adolescent/adults? I'm not picking at what you do, just interested in learning more.

Hey not a problem: What I do is this;

1) First off I breed two exceptional high drive dogs. Not the extreme aggresive dogs. But dogs that have so much energy that does not know when to quit. The dogs must have everything evaluated hips eyes shoulders, and elbows.
2) Must have high prey and defense drive, but at a level that is workable.
3) Both dog must show full confidence as an individual and not an over bearing dog at all.
4) At times we may take a soft dog and breed it to one of the above to secure a solid temp. So by that we bring in best of both worlds.
5) Pups are born and assessed right away. Sure you can not see alot at that time. But you learn to see which one is quick to the draw. If you know what I mean.
6) Pups at 5 weeks we take the time to see who runs or who comes right away. Well all of mine come right away.
7) At eight weeks we have chosen who stays and who goes. who is pet quality and who is either for show and or sch.
8) We now sell these individuals off that are the pet quality, and yes on a alter program.
9) At 9 weeks we work on the pups that show us these areas. Have total security and go off on their own. Pick up toys plastic bottles keys anything in front of them.
10) Food is generally put into a bowl other than when we want them to work and or look for the food. This is where we put together a sent pad 2 feet x 2 feet. We then have someone hold the dog and build him up. You want that you want that? Well then we throw the hot dogs in the sent pad and let the dog go. Just watch and see the little stinker. This teachs the dog to pick up both human sents and food sents. Eventually the food is gone. We do the same in buildings.
11) We take the young pup into a building no latter than 10 weeks old. Again to build up confidence. We get the ball crazed dog to chase every thing. Balls bottles everything. Then we have sent traps in the corners. Now I do not mean Mouse traps but sent traps. Which is both human and the chicken hot dogs. Now the dog is instructed to search with assistance assured. Off he goes. Now again this works as a reward there for finding the sent and the food.
12) all of the above is done off leash, why? to secure the dogs confidence to want to work. Remember pup is now 3 months old.
When we have these areas done and it is always a game. we generally do not have any problems going further with them. So by 4 months old and all shots taken care of the pup gets a leash and a colar. Leather colar. We take them into the puplic areas. Tim hortons stores any where. Then off we go till the dog is 18 months old.
13) All dogs we keep back are prilimbed at 6 months old. Why? Well if the dog were to have either areas name above recognised as hip displactic it would be shown at that time. Therefore if the dog does show either, the dog is then altered and placed. No sense in putting the dog through something that he/she can't handle or do.
14) Agility is done when the vet gives the okay. we will again have the dogs x-rays done to watch the growth plates so that we at no time have injured the dog or that its growth is off. We always take our dogs off puppy food at 5 months old. you can over protein as well as under protien and these guys do well on adult food.
15) Protection work is not allowed on our facility. Why? Well the Police Services prefer to train that area them selves so that we leave alone. We do bring out the tug and do work on the holds and barks. As well as get them to hold the tug with confidence just to get them going. But that is it.

When I started this the O.P.P can you beleive this, paid $64.976 dollars per dog and handler to be trained. That did not include the purchase of the dogs. They generaly train 10 Officers per course x 2 so I will let you figure that one out.

In 1994 the Detroit Police K-9 Services purchased 5 Sch 1 dogs from Holland. They paid $5000.00 Usfds per dog. These dogs worked wonders on the field. But hit the dirt or folded in the buildings. These dogs just could not do the job. So this training is so very much more intence than most training. The DOG MUST HAVE THE HEART THE DRIVE THE WANT TO. He/she needs the foundation in the breeding end. But needs the foundation from the trainer first and for most. So yeah it is a load of money and work but well worth it in the end.

[cindr]

We get most of our funding from after hours dog training and grooming. We only breed once per yr. If the Police Services are in need of a dog and we do not have any avail We look for one or two. Saves them a lot of hassle. People expect to much money for the dogs when it comes to Police Officer's and Services. We usually end up with 4 to 6 pups that we keep back in the litter that will go to the Police. So if a litter of 10, 4 sold and the rest kept

[MomOf7]

Wow I was ready to reply and see how far off topic this thread has gotten.
Keep the gloves up folks;)

[cindr]

Wow I was ready to reply and see how far off topic this thread has gotten.
Keep the gloves up folks;)

Thanx; I beleive we all have settled accounts and can move on to much better things, but most important to get along.

[RD]

Thanks for the explanation.

Okay, I'll back out and let the thread get back on topic. :)

[cindr]

Thanks for the explanation.

Okay, I'll back out and let the thread get back on topic. :)

Sounds good too me!:p ;) :o