Anyone tried new Iams Savory Sauce

[1sweetnopichick]

ANyone out there tried the new Iams savory sauce. I have my babies on a pretty routine feeding schedule. I feed them out of the same large pan - I've tried feeding them seperate but they end up eating from the same bowl anyway so I got one of those huge puppy feeding pans. I fill it w/4 cups of kibble & half a can of food apx 7:00 every morning and again at apx 5:00 every evening. Occasionally late at night they act as if they want a little more & if they've already finished off what was in their pan & regular treats (they know them as "cookies". You don't say the word cookie in my house with out them going CRAZY lol) don't satisfiy them then I will pour 1 more cup of kibble in their pan. I thought that sauce would be great to pour over it when I gave them that "late-night-snack". Well it makes them sick!! Really really sick. Apx 4-5 min after they eat one of them throws up (usually on my new carpet). It took me a few times to put 2&2 together but that's what it has to be. Naturally I've stopped using it but it makes me wonder if anyone else has that problem or if maybe they are alergic to it or something. I'm sure it's not just sensitive stomachs cause my mom has a BAD habit of slipping them table food when they come over for supper (which is usually a pretty big no-no in my house-the table food, not my parents coming over for supper lol) and that has never made them sick. Anyway, I was just wondering...anyone else have that problem??

[Renee750il]

I wouldn't TOUCH anything made by Iams/Eukanuba. Not only are their products very low quality (and they misrepresent them so terribly to dog owners), they have a terrible record of mistreating their lab animals. Not a single penny will I put in their pockets. It doesn't surprise me at all that the stuff made your dogs - or any dogs - ill.

I'd encourage you to send a nasty letter to the company along with a copy of your store receipt and tell them you want your money back - not coupons for more of their lousy products.

[1sweetnopichick]

Pretty good idea - threw the receipt away though. Doesn't suprise me that it made them sick eithther now. Poor babies - I wish I knew that before.

[Saje]

I guess I'll post the link again even though it's been posted before and it's not pleasant. :eek:

http://www.iamscruelty.com/

I believe that most companies do those kinds of 'invasive' tests on animals unless they specifically say they don't (Innova and Eagle Pack say they don't - I haven't looked into others).

Mordy: (if you catch this thread)
I was wondering if you had ever considered adding to your site the brands that do and do not test on animals and the type of testing that they do. I emailed Innova (nutrapet) and asked them about their testing. They were more than happy to send me lots of documentation. And I think after the whole Iams scandal more people care about that and are concerned. Or should be (IMHO).

[gaddylovesdogs]

I hate IAMS. They've got a bunch of junk in my opinion. I read on another board that sauce stinks, too, lol.

[juliefurry]

My uncle fed that stuff to his dog too once or twice and he got sick. His dog has a really sensitive stomach so it might have just been his stomach acting up. He basically did the same thing he threw up a few times after eating that stuff. :(

[smkie]

Victor says yuck..but he says that about everything..Mary said yuck too..and she loves all food. that is their opinion. IT is still sitting in the cabinet 3/4 full
i am afraid i was a nutrition eejit..but i am learning. Now if i would just learn about myself i might feel better too!

[hotdoggy124]

:eek: What a peice of junk. I haven't ever tried IAMS products and now that i know, i will never.

[BagelDog]

IAMS is high quality food actually, some of the best out there, theres no mistaking that, but they do test there products on animals the old fashioned way. All 4 of my dogs eat it, and its good food. I dont really have a problem with how they test their food and stuff. I hate animal abuse and all, but my dogs like IAMS, its good quality food, and me emailing IAMS isnt going to change anything, no matter how much you think your opinion counts. It a large company that just wants to make money, no matter what the cost. Ok, im off my soap box. This is just my opinion on their food, so you dont need to correct me or argue if you feel diffrentally, I already respect and hear your opinions as well.

Anything I add to my dogs regular food makes their stomach upset, but thats because their systems are so used to their regular food. But especially in puppies, I think adding anything new to their diet can make them sick to their stomach. I dont think its the sause specifically, as in if you added that gravy stuff to their food from another brand, it would do the same.

[Saje]

Iams is not a good product. It is full of by-products and fillers. The kind of 'meat' that goes into that is tumours and infected meat and anything not fit for human consumption. My bf worked for a slaughter house for a couple of weeks and was disgusted by what he had to cut off the animals and throw in the 'dog food bin'

If you look at this comparison you can see how it doesn't really compare to some quality products. http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=comp-wiz-results&animal=Dog&id1=1&id2=48&id3=1183&id4=&x=51&y=16

I could go on but I'll leave it at that for now.

[Mordy]

bagel dog - let's approach this topic from a different angle. do tell us why exactly you think that IAMS is such a great food. what sets it apart from other brands? what convinces you to an extent that you don't even want to look at better quality products?

[BagelDog]

I feed my dogs what I feed my dogs. Im not going to go buy soy bean greenpeace dog food, cause I know if a feral dog is going around looking for food, its not going to go eat alfalfa sprouts over leftover animal parts. Chicken by-products are fine with me, and my four dogs. You think that a hungrey dog would'nt eat everything in a dead animal it found? You think wolves pick around the feet and organs of things they kill? Heck no. I think most organic dog foods are ridiculous. I told you that I dont want to argue. I know IAMS is good dog food. You opinion wont change mine, so dont try. Im not gonna argue about this anymore, Im done with this thread, so if you ask me any more questions on this particular thread, they shall go unanswered.
These are just my opinions, so be respectful of them as I will be to yours. Im not saying anyone else is wrong, I just think diffrentally of this.

[Love4Pits]

I will never feed my dogs anything Iams its deaht in a bag in my opinion. Innova and Raw is what i stick to and the Savory Sauce i think is just anouther way for greedy people to make money not to give dogs better quality dog food. But hey thats just my opinion and its that stuff is shite.

[Mordy]

ok bagle dog, so you are basically saying you don't have any real reasons but you don't care either. not what i hoped for, but i can live with it.

i'm more concerned with people who actually care what goes into their dogs and want to know what's possibly best to avoid. :)

[Khristine]

I also do not like Iams/Eukanuba. in my opinion, the only reason dogs "like" it.. is because it is full of junk & fillers that aren't really healthy for a dog..

[Agility23]

you guys are idiots you read iams and Eukanuba arnt good on the net and off you go bashing it.

Iams and Eukanuba are extreamly high quality how do i know? cause my friend works in there factory and the stuff that goes into that food is very high quality stuff.

My dogs both eat iams and are extreamly healthy dogs.


The reason i think iams and Eukanuba is good food is because i have seen what goes into it my friends puts it in there. Im not just pretending im an expert because i read a website.

[Saje]

Please do not call the people here names. There is no tolerance for that. The people on this website have done a lot of research on dog food. Not from self-promoting websites.

I also know what goes into dog food. By-products are not organs, tissues, bones and muscle meat. Those are all excellent food for dogs and are also considered to be human quality. I've bought soup bones, hearts, liver, kidney and all kinds of things from my grocery store that are human quality and for my dogs. By-products are the things that aren't fit for human consumption. The pussy parts of meat that are cut off and tumours.

BagelDog, your tone is very argumentative and if you are not looking for an arguement you may want to re-evaluate how you communicate with us.

Nobody here is trying to argue anything we are only sharing the things we have learned through combined years of experience and research. You have an opportunity to question people here like Mordy and many others who have spent a long time comparing dog foods and understanding canine digestion. Take it or leave it.

[Gustav]

We seem to be veering away from the original topic!

No, I haven't tried the Iams sauce, nor have I seen it for sale over here, nor would I buy it If I could find it! :) (Not disrepecting or trying to upset anyone!!)

I refuse to get drawn in to an argument that won't be resolved, You may be asking yourself why I bothered to post at all then, I just thought I bring everyone back from the Brink! :) Or it could escalate to Handbag at dawn duels!

[Agility23]

Please do not call the people here names. There is no tolerance for that. The people on this website have done a lot of research on dog food. Not from self-promoting websites.

I also know what goes into dog food. By-products are not organs, tissues, bones and muscle meat. Those are all excellent food for dogs and are also considered to be human quality. I've bought soup bones, hearts, liver, kidney and all kinds of things from my grocery store that are human quality and for my dogs. By-products are the things that aren't fit for human consumption. The pussy parts of meat that are cut off and tumours.

BagelDog, your tone is very argumentative and if you are not looking for an arguement you may want to re-evaluate how you communicate with us.

Nobody here is trying to argue anything we are only sharing the things we have learned through combined years of experience and research. You have an opportunity to question people here like Mordy and many others who have spent a long time comparing dog foods and understanding canine digestion. Take it or leave it.


The only research you have done is read websites wow that tells you alot.

I have seen the food going into iams it is very good stuff there no argument to it

[smkie]

Agility you didn't see what went into the cows and such before they were cut up did you? I buried my best friend..the best dog i ever knew when he died becuase of cancer at 7 yrs old..a big healthy strong looking dog with tumours in his throat and lungs..the vet said it was a rare form of cancer for a dog. I filled his bowl with purina everyday and gave him a rawhide right after. I feel like i handed him a pack of cigs and a cigar for dessert. I will not ever make this mistake again. These people here are a great source of info for me for i was absolutely clueless.
If you disagree, you are certainly intitled to your opinion, but you could gain a little class and clean up the way you communicate. i am grateful that Mordy has taken the time to teach me about the nutrition i want going into Victor...i value his and Saje's adivice highly. I hope that your dogs do not suffer the way my Bronki did. I for one am going to study whole heartedly what i put in my Victor so we can have a LONG time together and not lose him when he should be in his prime.
There are many ways to disagree with some tact..for one..you could thank someone for taking the time to answer your posts..say you disagree, but will keep your mind open in the future. The last part would be a good thing for you to do.

[Agility23]

I havent seen the cows my dinner came from either...

Was the food actually ever linked to the cancer i guess not or you would of sued... What makes you think it was down to purina?

[smkie]

that is why we worry is it not? Don't know for sure..but if he was prone that direction...it wasn't good to help it along. I do know much more about cancer causing agents since i read everything written when i we found out my Jim had cancer. I am very grateful that i quit smoking a decade ago. I think if they put a picture of the shunt that delivers the cancer drug to you after all your veins can't take it anymore and pasted it on the pack of cigs..more people would quit. jim had a history of famiy cancer too..and he ignored that and ate what he wanted and smoked for a long time.
I wish you could have seen how healthy bronki was..from the very beginning.If it could take a strong big man like Jim, and a lush healthy dog like Bronki..there has to be a way to help fight it! I have read many post about people that like me lost their dogs to cancer..lymphoma (sp?) and other types as well that have researched and found links to food and rawhides. i was absolutley horrified when i read what they found out. Now i am trying to do better.

i am not much better about what goes in me..my nutrition basically comes from a the vitimin tablet. i am trying to learn better. My life span has been long enough for me to enjoy my prime...but Bronki was just starting out!! I will read more and try to do the best i can for Victor.Especially since he is as young as he is!

[gaddylovesdogs]

I enjoy researching animal nutrition. My dogs are now eating a kibble that starts with meat, and raw. They're doing great. A few weeks ago I looked at a bag of Kibble N' Bits and was completely disgusted. Looked at a bag of Pedigree...first ingredient is corn. IAMS/Eukanuba, in my opinion is junk, plain and simple. And now they say you should add their sauce to their food. So does that mean that the food itself doesn't have the nutrients you pet needs?

[Saje]

The only research you have done is read websites wow that tells you alot.

I have seen the food going into iams it is very good stuff there no argument to it

I just finished saying that's NOT how I do my research and that I know what's going into commercial dog food because my boyfriend worked at a slaughter house for awhile and contributed to the 'dog food bin' all of the tumerous, infected meat that wasn't fit for human consumption.

Not only that but there are many, quality brands of dog food that do not do invasive testing on dogs. Innova (Naturapet) actually rescues dogs from research labs, rehabilitates them and adopts them out to their employees while they are still young. The only kind of 'testing' they do is for palatability and digestibility (poop analysis). Eagle Pack also doesn't test on their animals although I haven't asked them for more information. I have three documents from Innova on the kind of testing that they do with pictures of their rescues and where they house their dogs.

[BagelDog]

Well, I have a 14 year old dachshund who has eaten IAMS for 12 years of her life, and even after 4 non-food related back sugeries, she's fantastic. Shes in great shape and is healthy, and organic dog food has never touched her lips. Sure theres better dog food than IAMS, but Im still convinced its good, high quality food. Although Id like to switch my dogs to better, organic and good foods like you all mentioned, since I think IAMS is good enough I'm probably not going too. But so you all know, Im going to look into the foods you mentioned were good, since now I want to make sure my growing puppy and aging dog are getting the stuff they need. Now I still think IAMS is good, but I agree that not much though is put into making it, that more is into making money.

[Saje]

That's all we want BagelDog. :D

My philosophy is that everyone should come to their own conclusions only after getting as much information about something as possible. I like to get at least three reliable sources to agree before I'll consider something to be true. By reliable I don't mean sites that promote their projects. I'm particularly fond of university research centres. And I'm not just talking about dog food. I mean anything.

I think Mordy explains it best on her site www.mordana.com/dogfood

While there is nothing wrong with feeding a particular food if your dog does well on it and you feel comfortable feeding it, the question is whether you have a basis of comparison and whether the formulation of the food has changed over time. I have seen the effect a better food can have on my own dog. When I adopted him from the shelter, he was a thin little puppy with a brittle coat and a rather strong "doggie odor". I didn't know better yet, fed an average quality food and thought the change in his appearance was stunning, except for the severe reactions he still showed whenever he picked up the occasional flea and got bitten before it died. He had gained weight, the odor improved and his coat was softer and shinier. I was happy and didn't think that any further improvement was possible - until he had been eating a really high quality food for about a month. His allergy to flea bites disappeared entirely, the muscle tone became much more defined, his coat even glossier, softer and most important, much, much denser. The doggie odor vanished.


If I hadn't at least given the better food a try, feeding it long enough to see results (depending on the individual dog this takes about 4-8 weeks), I would still have been convinced that my dog "did just fine" on the lesser quality food. Now I clearly see the difference between "doing just fine" and truly thriving. Every step up the "quality ladder" will bring improvements, the stray dog who used to survive mostly on garbage will do better once he gets a daily ration of even a relatively cheap food because it supplies more essential nutrients; and a dog who was fed a grocery store brand is guaranteed to improve on a better quality product as well.

[Love4Pits]

you guys are idiots you read iams and Eukanuba arnt good on the net and off you go bashing it.

Iams and Eukanuba are extreamly high quality how do i know? cause my friend works in there factory and the stuff that goes into that food is very high quality stuff.

My dogs both eat iams and are extreamly healthy dogs.


The reason i think iams and Eukanuba is good food is because i have seen what goes into it my friends puts it in there. Im not just pretending im an expert because i read a website.

Excuse me but I will not tolerate you calling my friends idiots for wanting to give their dogs better quality dog food and life. I've said it before and I'll say it again Iams in death in a bag and crap. Hmm did your friends help torture all those lab animals too?

[Agility23]

I just finished saying that's NOT how I do my research and that I know what's going into commercial dog food because my boyfriend worked at a slaughter house for awhile and contributed to the 'dog food bin' all of the tumerous, infected meat that wasn't fit for human consumption.

Not only that but there are many, quality brands of dog food that do not do invasive testing on dogs. Innova (Naturapet) actually rescues dogs from research labs, rehabilitates them and adopts them out to their employees while they are still young. The only kind of 'testing' they do is for palatability and digestibility (poop analysis). Eagle Pack also doesn't test on their animals although I haven't asked them for more information. I have three documents from Innova on the kind of testing that they do with pictures of their rescues and where they house their dogs.


i agree with you 100% that the animal testing is discusting. But i can honestly tell you It is good quality food. If you want proof watch the speed my collies fly round at agility.

[Saje]

Sorry, but I don't consider that proof. Lots of dogs can survive on junk food just like people. It doesn't mean that it is the best option or that they won't pay for it later down the line.

[Love4Pits]

Your a great debator Saje lol you bring up really good points before I can even make them. Its good thing :)

[Saje]

lol Thanks Scarlette. :) Did you see the newest member. Lovmypits I think. I thought it was you with a new avatar for a second. :) You'll probably have things in common

[gaddylovesdogs]

I just went to www.naturapet.com and compared four brands of food. Here are the results.

Innova Dog Food Dry vs. Iams Natural Lamb Meal and Rice
Innova Dog

Ingredient Name




1. Turkey


2. Chicken


3. Chicken Meal


4. Ground Barley


5. Ground Brown Rice


6. Potatoes


7. Natural Flavors


8. Ground White Rice


9. Chicken Fat


10. Herring


11. Apples


12. Carrots


13. Cottage Cheese


14. Sunflower Oil


15. Alfalfa Sprouts


16. Egg


17. Garlic


18. Taurine


19. Vitamins/Minerals


20. Viable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms


Iams Natural Lamb Meal and Rice

Iams Natural® Lamb Meal & Rice

Ingredient Name




1. Lamb Meal


2. Brewer's Rice


3. Corn Meal


4. Sorghum


5. Ground Barley


6. Chicken Fat


7. Fish Meal


8. Chicken Byproduct Meal


9. Corn Grits


10. Dried Beet Pulp


11. Natural Chicken Flavor


12. Dried Egg Product


13. Brewer's Dried Yeast


14. Salt


15. Methionine


16. Rosemary Extract


17. Vitamins/Minerals


Eukanuba Maintenance vs. Bench & Field Lamb Meal and Rice Dog Food

Eukanuba® Maintenance

Ingredient Name




1. Chicken


2. Chicken Byproduct Meal


3. Corn Meal


4. Sorghum


5. Ground Barley


6. Fish Meal


7. Chicken Fat


8. Brewer's Rice


9. Natural Chicken Flavor


10. Beet Pulp


11. Dried Eggs


12. Brewer's Dried Yeast


13. Salt


14. Calcium Carbonate


15. Flaxseed Meal


16. Methionine


17. Rosemary Extract


18. Vitamins/Minerals


Bench & Field Lamb Meal and Rice Dog Food

Bench & Field Lamb Meal & Rice Dog Food

Ingredient Name




1. Lamb Meal


2. Ground Brown Rice


3. Rice Bran


4. Rice Flour


5. Ground Yellow Corn


6. Poultry Meal


7. Animal Fat


8. Dried Beet Pulp


9. Flaxseed


10. Brewer's Dried Yeast


11. Fish Meal


12. Salt


13. Lamb Digest


14. Dried Egg Product


15. Chicory Root Extract


16. Biotin


17. Sodium Selenite


18. Vitamins/Minerals

[Saje]

What is bench and field? I'll have to look them up.

[Khristine]

wow this is getting very hasty and harsh.. calling people idiots over the net :confused:

[Saje]

:D Never a dull day. :)

[Love4Pits]

Going through Gaddy's facts Iams and Eukanuba are not only unhealthy but sounds pretty gross.

[Saje]

http://www.benchandfield.com/ for anyone else who doesn't know. They are based out of Indianna which is prob why I haven't heard of them. I'm not sure how much I like them. There seems to be a lot of corn, corn gluten, soybean, wheat... in it. http://benchandfield.com/26protein.php

Thoughts Mordy?

[Gustav]

Anyone heard of wellbeloved? Mum's friend swears by it! Not sure if it's any good or not!
www.wellbeloved.com

Cool name though!

[Saje]

I haven't but I think Mordy's out and about and will be stopping by. :D

[Mordy]

yes i've heard of it, it's a food only sold on the european market as far as i know - and one of the better ones at that. :)

anyone who wants to browse different brands of food and compare ingredients, have a look here:
http://www.mordanna.com/boards/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=dogfood&page=0&sb=2

the listing is limited to what's produced in the USA, since that is to what the AAFCO labeling laws explained on the site apply. if you compare listings from countries outside of the US, you will notice that much less descriptive terms are used, unless the food is also produced for the US market.

[Gustav]

Oh well there you go, she'll be pleased!
I get Gus, Royal Canin, don't know if it's any good ingrediant wise, but it's the most expensive food you can buy here, It smells good, and Gus seems to like it!

[Mordy]

Iams and Eukanuba are extreamly high quality how do i know? cause my friend works in there factory and the stuff that goes into that food is very high quality stuff.

okay, then why don't you explain to us why byproducts and food fractions of products manufactured for the human market are of better quality, higher nutritional value and healthier than whole ingredients?

do you know what the "stuff" that goes into the food actually is, what it does and why it is in the product?

why would you want more grain and grain byproducts in a food for a carnivorous animal than meats?

do you know that generic "fish meal" produced for animal feed is always preserved with ethoxyquin due to US coast guard regulations and that the manufacturer does not have to declare it because it was present in the product already when they bought it?

do you know if the grains used in iams and eukanuba are USDA graded and fit for human consumption, or are they feed grade due to contamination? are they tested for pesticide residue, and if so, what are the test results?

do you know if the meats used are USDA graded and fit for human consumption? because if they aren't, they have to be denatured to prevent them from re-enering the human food chain - and this denaturing process is generally done by dousing the meats with chemicals. for more facts, please read the Federal Meat Inspection Act, especially section 641 and 644.

and just a little advice from me to you, don't be so hasty to call people idiots and claim they learned all they know from web sources. i have been researching pet food for the past 4 years and i can tell you there is more wrong than correct information floating around on the internet, which is the reason why i created my site.

i can tell you that my work is based on sources that are a little more credible than the opinions of a "friend" too. what kind of training does your friend have in the field of animal nutrition? what position does he hold at the company? is he directly involved in the decision making process? if you ask him, can he tell you straightforward where the meat and grains come from, and what kind of testing is done? i'd be interested to hear about it. :)

[Saje]

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-005.gif

[Gustav]

Lol! I'm confused! :confused: Went to Mordy's site, thought it was about time I really found out what I was giving Gus to eat, Was worried to do this before as I can't get anything better here and if I knew it was not good for him what would I do?!!!! I wouldn't be able to continue to give it to him as my guilt wouldn't allow it!
But I just don't know if it's any good or not! Find it tricky to decipher! :)

[Renee750il]

I havent seen the cows my dinner came from either...

Was the food actually ever linked to the cancer i guess not or you would of sued... What makes you think it was down to purina?

I have seen where the cows you eat for your dinner came from. I'm real happy mine don't come from the same place. I know what's injected and fed into those cows you eat. I'm real happy mine don't come from the same place.

And I am tickled pink - magenta even - that my dogs aren't eating the scrofulous, tainted, chemical ridden scraps that go into most commercial dog food.

[Saje]

Talk to Mordy. She's the best person and very helpful. :D I adore Mordy and all the help she's given. You could join her site and talk to her directly there. That's what I did. I bug her all the time. :)

[Gustav]

I'll do that then! Good plan Saje! :)

[Saje]

Ok. Have fun getting your head filled with food facts. :D

[Saje]

I have seen where the cows you eat for your dinner came from. I'm real happy mine don't come from the same place. I know what's injected and fed into those cows you eat. I'm real happy mine don't come from the same place.

And I am tickled pink - magenta even - that my dogs aren't eating the scrofulous, tainted, chemical ridden scraps that go into most commercial dog food.

That's one reason that I'm a vegetarian. Another is how the slaughter animals. :( And then there is the gross factor. As in EW MEAT GROSS. LOL

[BagelDog]

Sorry for the way I acted before, I don't know why I got so defensive. I don't think ill be switching off of IAMS it anytime soon, because my mom (im only 15) is convinced IAMS is the best, and would find it stupid to switch, so im going to have to do a lot of reserch, then bring it up. Ill let you guys know how it turns out later. I still think IAMS is good quality (generic brand) dog food, but the ones you discribed do sound a lot better for my, and anyones, dogs. Only the best for our doggies, right? :)

[Renee750il]

Good Bagel Dog, lol :D

[BagelDog]

lol. I feel stupid for arguing earlier though, sorry again to all!

[Saje]

No worries, BagelDog. I'm glad you are looking into. That really shows that you care and want to make the best decisions. I really understand what it's like to try and teach your parents anything. My mom started feeding Iams. Her cats are obese and their hair is greasy. Oscar just had to have several teeth removed but she can't imagine why. She never fed soft cat food. :rolleyes: She was feeding a slightly better brand before I think. They get tired of listening to me though. And it's only worse when you still live at home!

When you're ready, and only if you're interested, I'm sure that many of us would be willing to help make a clear, easy-to-understand list that you could show your parents.

Have I mentioned how adorable your pics are. :) They are some of my favourites. :)

[BagelDog]

Lol. Thank you. My little Bagel is very cute, but even more so in person because he's got white fuzzy fur sticking out of the fur on his head, which is very cute.

Yeah, 2 of our dog Gingers teeth had to be pulled, and her mouth is very sensative which makes us think more need to come out. And all my dogs breath smells TERRIBLE from the food. I may ask for a list a little later, but first Im going to look into the foods.

By the way, what is the best one of those dog foods I can look into? Are they for sale at regular pet stores? Are they very expensive?

Thanks!

[Saje]

Ok. This is going to be WAY to simple but most people agree that Innova EVO is pretty much the best dog food out there for many reasons. Off the top of my head I know it doesn't contain any grains and it the way it is cooked perserves the nutrients. You know how heat kills nutrients? Well, they have a way of cooking the food at lower temperatures. I believe that is correct. Help me if I'm wrong Mordy. This food is the closest one to how dogs would eat in the wild.

It is more expensive than Iams but it is not THE most expensive. Also, and this important money-wise, your dog will not need to eat as much of it. Plus, you have money on vet bills, your dog is not as gassy or smelly in general...

Here are some of the places in Texas that supply NaturaPet foods (Innova). http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=store-results&country=USA&state=TX&phone=&city=&name=&x=17&y=13 I don't know your city but you can look it up on that site.

Please ask as many questions as you want.

[BagelDog]

Yeah, my friends dad own Cat Connection, which carries it. I just told my mom we needed to switch dog foods, cause IAMS stinks, and she said no it doesnt. Shes going to be harder to convince that I first though.

[Mordy]

i'll be happy to answer any questions anyone may have, just bear with me being a little slow at times catching up on posts and PMs.

the fastest way to get a reply is indeed through the forum on my site, either post or PM me. it's monitored regularly.

but i do come over here to read as well.

bagel dog, glad you are taking the openminded approach. :) i am sure you will find the research interesting and worthwhile.

meanwhile, if you need a food that is of good quality and not all that expensive, look for canidae. the 20lb bags cost around $20 and 40lb bags around $35.

[smkie]

:) smooches to your pooches bageldog..im 40 and just learning lots of things..it is always good to keep and open mind..glad about your last post

[CreatureTeacher]

You're a bigger person than I was at 15, Bagel. I don't know that a herd of wild elephants could've dragged an apology out of me! We all learn every day. You're good for looking at things with an open mind.

If you all don't mind me hijacking the thread for a moment, I'm very broken up over this and I need to borrow Mordy. :)

My cat has cystitis (AGAIN!) and my vet--who is awful--keeps yelling at me for feeding raw. He's finally guilted me into going onto the prescription diet, then switching to the uretic Wysong formula. I hate, hate, hate, hate not knowing exactly what's going into my cat (all of my pets eat a home prepared raw diet). But another vet told me a lot of male cats just have a genetic predisposition to cystitis and that feeding him cooked crap (don't get me wrong, I like Wysong, I just would rather make the food myself and I haven't fed a cooked diet in so long...) won't make a big difference. Do you have thoughts? And what does a "low ash content" indicate? Why the heck is there ash in my cat food at all? Ash of what? :confused:

[Mordy]

i admit i don't know as much about cats as i know about dogs (even tho i live with 5 furry feline terrorists :D ) - but in my opinion the commercial food isn't going to make all that much of a difference.

IMHO there is nothing in a commercial food that you can't reproduce somehow in a home prepared diet. the sad thing is that most vets don't have much of a clue when it comes to nutrition, other than recommending the commercial stuff they are familiar with.

could you possibly consult a holistic vet?

i've had some issues with one of my boys recently when i switched the kitty pack from regular innova cat food to half regular and half lite (two of the females need to lose weight and there is no way i can separate them for meals). my suspicion that his urine was not acidic enough from the higher carb food turned out to be correct, as his issues disappeared a few days after cutting out the lite food.

if your cat already eats raw, you are at a huge advantage - mine will accept raw things as a snack but still demand kibble twice a day. i've been feeding them innova evo (yeah - dog food lol) for about 6 weeks now because it only has 12% carbs and they have been doing well. i can't wait until the evo for cats finally hits the shelves. that will make things so much easier for me. :)

[CreatureTeacher]

You would recommend Innova over Wysong, then? Thanks for the help!

[Agility23]

beagal dont be sorry you are only expressing an opinion thats what fourms are for

[Renee750il]

What Bagel is apologizing for is the way the opinion was expressed and regrets that the opinion was expressed without having actually looked at evidence. It's a sign of her maturity and intelligence that she recognized this and wants to learn - even if what she learns is contrary to her original opinion.

And she gets big hugs and Respect for that!

[Sunnypup]

agreed renee! puppy kisses to bagle dog for being so grown up.

[Gustav]

Yeah big respect to Bagel dog! She's only a pup herself and yet she is trying to do her best for her dog!! Wish there were more people like her!!
It takes a very big person to admit they are wrong!!

[gaddylovesdogs]

http://www.benchandfield.com/ for anyone else who doesn't know. They are based out of Indianna which is prob why I haven't heard of them. I'm not sure how much I like them. There seems to be a lot of corn, corn gluten, soybean, wheat... in it. http://benchandfield.com/26protein.php
Their senior food does have corn, so I wouldn't feed that, but Bench & Field Holistic Natural Canine Formula does not, and is a pretty good food. WDJ (very picky people when it comes to dogfood) even rate it one of the best.

[Mordy]

i'm not a big fan of the bench & field products, not even the holistic type. too many grains, too many byproducts (tomato pomace, egg product, cheese meal) and at $45 for 26.4 lbs it is grossly overpriced.

if anyone has trouble finding a decent food and needs to order something online, cloudstar makes a really nice holistic kibble from all human-grade ingredients and if you order 2 boxes, shipping is free.

[BagelDog]

Thanks you all. :) My mom is convinced IAMS is still good. I did research on it, and watched an undercover video of an IAMS testing place. I almost cried, and it horrified me. I almost had to turn it off. And in one part they showed a little dog in a small metal cage, quietly laying their, watching the lady with the hidden camera, slowly wagging her tail. It broke my heart to see it. I told my mom about it and she didnt believe me. I offered to let her watch the video and she said no, but she still doesnt think its real. I know if she watched it, she would make me turn it off, becuase she can't watch things like that. She doesnt believe how cruel IAMS is, and wont listen to evidence that it is. Im going to keep working at it.

[Saje]

I know you'll do what you can. And we all understand what it's like to be young and living with your parents. I still can't convince my parents that Iams is bad for their cats although my mom is slowly becoming more open to it.

We all respect you and your efforts. At least you are open to doing research and finding out what is best for your pets. Even if you don't succeed with your parents you will be able to make changes as an adult. Or when you get a job.

And in meantime we adore BagelDog and you. :)

[Hound Man]

I have a definite bias about Savory Sauce because I have a PR client, Elliot's Hound Sauce, which is the all natural, no preservatives sauce launched in January of this year. We've never had a complaint of Elliot's causing illness. It is possilble you were putting too much sauce on the food. We recommend only a tablespoon to "glaze" the food and add aroma and taste.

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[Debi]

well...Elliot's sounds interesting, but I think I'd rather give a variety of foods so that you don't need to pour flavoring on the kibble. I'm always suspect of products claiming to have added vitamins and nutrients. Just like people....just eat the right food and you'll get proper nutrients. could just be me...I don't want to pour 'sauces' on my food either. :)

[Renee750il]

I can't say enough good about the people at NaturaPet and their products. Mine actually prefer the EVO kibble to raw or homecooked!

[BigDog2191]

Your a great debator Saje lol you bring up really good points before I can even make them. Its good thing :)

Me n' Saje should have a debate on something. All in good fun, of course :D .

I love debating.

Woops... I hope this thread was at least on the first page... sorry for resurrecting a dead thread.