English Bulldog Stud

[rousseau661]

Hey everyone, i have a 3 month old male english bully and my neighbor has a female who is just about 2 yrs old, she asked if she could use him as a stud when he was ready and i told her it shouldnt be a problem but i needed to get some information first. here are my questions.

how old should my bully be before he is used for that,

how much do stud services cost, or how much should i charge,

am i entitled to any of the puppies,

also does this effect my bully in any way, physically, mentally, emotionally, etc.

thanks in advance, i appreciate your input, Josh and Nook Nook.

[jess2416]

Please read the stickies at the top of this forum...

[pup-man]

I'm ready for the show :)

http://www.cs.cornell.edu/talc/images/popcorn.jpg

[jess2416]

I'm ready for the show :)

http://www.cs.cornell.edu/talc/images/popcorn.jpg

Hopefully, there wont be one...and people will just give good advice...:)

but just in case, pass some popcorn this way :)

[Gempress]

Good job coming here and asking first! I like the name Nook Nook.

Firstly, your dogs must be excellent specimens of the breed. The only reason your dogs should have puppies is to help better the bulldog breed. How is your dog, in both his physical traits and temperament? He should have at least obedience or show titles to prove his excellence. Before you breed, both your dog and the neighbor's dog must have health certifications. That means that their hips/eyes/joints have been X-rayed and rated as good by a vet. This can only be done at 2 years old, so your dog must be at least that old.

And be aware that breeding English bulldogs is EXPENSIVE! There are X-rays, ultrasounds, etc., to take into account. These dogs cannot be delivered naturally because their heads are so big. If the female tries to deliver them by herself, there's a very high chance that it would kill her and the puppies. The female must have a C-section at the appropriate time, which takes a lot of money.

Stud service fees depend on the quality of the stud. Or, the owner of the stud gets the pick of the litter. This is determined before the breeding ever takes place.

Yes, it does affect your bully. There are such things as dog STDs, so it puts your dog at risk of contracting them. It also gives your dog a change in temperament. He can become more prone to run away, as he searches for available females. He can also become more dominant.

I recommend you neuter Nook Nook and don't follow through with the breeding. It will make Nook Nook a better pet. And it doesn't sound like your neighbor is very knowledgeable about what she is doing. I wouldn't let your dog be a stud for a person who doesn't know how to take care of his potential children.

[jess2416]

I ditto Gempress :) She couldnt have said it better :)

[Bailey+Ralph]

^ ^ What she said :)

[ihartgonzo]

I have to emphasize at least waiting until he is 24 months old to get his hips & elbows certified. Dysplasia is extremely common in the breed, and a horrendously painful deformity that no dog should have to endure. Please do wait to at least make sure your boy is healthy enough to produce puppies... to be a conscienscous breeder, you should also show him to his CH title to prove that his conformation is excellent for the breed. The only reason one should breed their dogs is to better the breed, please keep that in mind and do LOADS of research. Bulldogs are awesome pups, I'm sure you agree :), and you should do everything you can to prove that your boy is conformationally, structurally & temperamentally correct and healthy.

We would LOVE to see pictures of your pup and hear more about him. We all love dogs here, and there are wonderful breeders on these boards that can give you lots of priceless advice. This is my nephew Bulldog, Benny...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/gonzoo/gonzobenny19.jpg

[rousseau661]

thanks a lot, the reason i didnt just settle for the stickies is because i know the eb breed is very specific and there are factors that affect the situation that i was asking about, so i will have some popcorn as well, also hey thanks a bunch for the information, i didnt ever plan on breeding him but i thought i would see what it was about before i did anything serious, i dont think it is something that i would want to do considering she isnt experienced with breeding and who knows what the situation would lead to.

[Mach1girl]

thanks a lot, the reason i didnt just settle for the stickies is because i know the eb breed is very specific and there are factors that affect the situation that i was asking about, so i will have some popcorn as well, also hey thanks a bunch for the information, i didnt ever plan on breeding him but i thought i would see what it was about before i did anything serious, i dont think it is something that i would want to do considering she isnt experienced with breeding and who knows what the situation would lead to.Kudos!

[jess2416]

I'm glad you made that decision :)

[Gempress]

Sounds like sound reasoning, Rousseau. Now, about those pictures? *hint hint* English bulldogs are insanely adorable as puppies....:D

[pup-man]

Looks like the show ended... I like happy endings :)

But before we dismiss the theatre, we need pictures!

[rousseau661]

here are some pics on the nook the crook, lol.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/no1lowr/CIMG0055.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/no1lowr/CIMG0056.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/no1lowr/CIMG0057.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/no1lowr/CIMG0058.jpg

[rousseau661]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/no1lowr/CIMG0059.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/no1lowr/CIMG0062.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/no1lowr/CIMG0063.jpg

[jess2416]

He is soooooo adorable :D I love his name.....what a cutie patootie :D

[rousseau661]

23 lbs woot!

[Gempress]

He's so CUTE! English bulldogs are the most adorable chubby puppies. But I dunno...that look in his eye tells me that he's probably quite a handful.

[rousseau661]

no, hes actually very docile and extremely laid back, he is learning fast and growing faster, i have a blue fawn pitbull terrier that si about 18 monthes and she keeps him quite busy. but no, not really a handfull but then again he is a pup, very well behaved.

[corsomom]

That pup is too cute, hes irresistible!

[Red_ACD_for_me]

So does that mean that you are going to neuter Nook Nook instead of letting him get NOOK NOOK :D ! LOL! I hope you can educate your friend or neighbor about breeding her female. Bulldogs are very high risk pregnancies and should not be taken lightly. A C-section is usually required for a pregnant bitch.

[Sheka]

Dont put aluminum foil in the microwave. thats my input on this LOL sure, its random. but its something u should know..not that ive done it be4 LOL :P

[Brattina88]

^lol - that reminds me of when there was fire in the microwave at school because someone did that. Smelled terrible!!

VERY cute puppy!! :D I think you've made a great choice!
Are you going to neuter?? ;)

[LizzieCollie]

see the results we achieve when we are nice? now I havent heard anything about neutering, but hey, you never know!

[Boxerowner]

Have you thought about showing him just for fun????!!!
He sure is a cutie pie:D

[jess2416]

OMG.....I think it is a new record...:) this one ended in 3 pages, with not fighting or jumping on someone...:eek: :eek: I am just sooo proud :)

[LabBreeder]

LOL...I was gonna sit back and wait for the fireworks, but there weren't any (thank God). I figured once a few "certain" people read that his pup was only 3 months old and was thinking about breeding when there were no tests or titles I thought....ooohhhh boy, here it comes! :eek: But the good people are responding and I like it. It's nice and civil as it should be.

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

What a gorgeous puppy! I love him!! Thanks for the pictures.

So I have to ask too, are you going to neuter him too? Did you know that neutering will greatly reduce the risk of him getting testicular and prostate cancer when he is older?

While you are at it, you should pass the word on to your friend that her female can get Breast and Ovarian cancer as well as a really bad disease called Pyometra when she is older if she keeps going on unspayed... A lot of people don't realize there are health benefits to spay and neutering. They think all us animal wackos just want it done to control the population but really it is for the animals own health.

[~Tucker&Me~]

Kudos to you for being responsible and keeping an open mind!
He's a very cute pup :D. You should stick around, it's a great community and you can learn a lot here.

~Tucker

[rousseau661]

Have you thought about showing him just for fun????!!!
He sure is a cutie pie:D

you think he is show worthy? good to hear, when i first got him he was stung by a hornet and somehow he got a mite from it, major hot spotting occured and scratching with whining but now after 6 weeks of ivromectine shots he is perfect, his coat is beautifula nd hes not shedding nearly as bad and also smells good. lol, i was very lucky he healed so nicely with no scarring or anything. is ther a time or age constraint on neutering, i am leaning towards it but im not 100% sure, how much down time is ther with neutering and how will it affect his morale? thanks.

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

It is always good to neuter your dog, it will stop him from marking his territory, being possibly agressive towards other dogs, and most importantly stop him from getting cancers when he is older. It should only change is personality for the better.

I will tell a little story (even though this is about a female cat, but you will see the point)

My cat was the meanest little thing we waited until well over a year to spay her, before I knew any better. Well it turns out that (and I got to watch her being spayed) that she had a few cysts on her ovaries. Ovaries are what's removed during a spay. If we hadn't had her spayed we wouldn't have known that until cancer developed and she would have went her life being a mean old cat, when in reality she was in pain and reacting to that. I know your dog isn't mean or in pain, but you never know.

So it really pays to have any animal altered. It makes them a better pet all around and greatly reduces the risk of these cancers and disease. In a dogs case, it also stops roaming, mating, agressions, marking...all unpleasant behavior.

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

Oh an dit is best to neuter (or spay) before 6 months. It can be done when the pup is really small. I am more experienced with cats and with them it can be done at 2 lbs, so I can imagine it can be done really really young. If your vet insists on waiting until 6 months, I would consider that vet being very old fashioned and not aware of pediatric spay neuteres (or at least the benefit of doing it well before 6 months) and I would find a new vet.

In otherwords, I would schedule the appointment now, it will probably be a couple weeks before you can get in anyway if you don't want to do it yet. But really he is the perfect age right now. Puppies recover super fast.

[stevinski]

you think he is show worthy?

i dno if hes show worthy, the best thing you could do would be do get him looked at by a breeder who shows his dog.
or take him to a show and ask the judge if he could look at him for you,
or theres the simple idea of enetering him in a dog show and seeing if he places.

hes gorgeous btw!
and i am sooo glad you decided not to stud him!
hes soooooo cute!, i sware i've seen those pics b4 lol

[Bailey+Ralph]

He is a sweetie :)

[RedyreRottweilers]

Your dog is very cute, and I'm glad you have decided not to breed him.

Here is a link to photos of a promising bulldog puppy. The later photos are at 10 months.

http://www.cinemaboxers.com/Aston.htm

[DanL]

It is always good to neuter your dog, it will stop him from marking his territory, being possibly agressive towards other dogs, and most importantly stop him from getting cancers when he is older. It should only change is personality for the better.

I will tell a little story (even though this is about a female cat, but you will see the point)

My cat was the meanest little thing we waited until well over a year to spay her, before I knew any better. Well it turns out that (and I got to watch her being spayed) that she had a few cysts on her ovaries. Ovaries are what's removed during a spay. If we hadn't had her spayed we wouldn't have known that until cancer developed and she would have went her life being a mean old cat, when in reality she was in pain and reacting to that. I know your dog isn't mean or in pain, but you never know.

So it really pays to have any animal altered. It makes them a better pet all around and greatly reduces the risk of these cancers and disease. In a dogs case, it also stops roaming, mating, agressions, marking...all unpleasant behavior.

Let me preface this by saying that I support spay/neutering, but your post has a lot of assumptions that aren't always true.

1- marking. We had our pug fixed at 4 months old. He is 5 years old now and has marked his entire life. Continually. Outside, he will mark something, then turn around and hit it from another angle. I've never counted, but I would guess that an average trip outside for 30 minutes will have him marking 50 times. Our GSD, who is 17 months old and is not fixed yet, didn't start marking anything till he was over a year old, and he doesn't mark with near the frequency the pug does. He might hit a couple objects while he's outside and has never marked anything indoors, where the pug will mark indoors if you don't watch him. The GSD didn't even lift his leg until he was 10 months old.

2- if a dog has aggressive tendencies and isn't trained on how to act around other dogs, fixing won't help. You can see examples of unfixed dogs who are not aggressive all the time in dog shows, agility, and other activities where dogs interact. Changing his personality is all subjective. A well adjusted, trained, loved dog should not have personality issues whether he's fixed or not. On the cat front, we just had our female spayed. She was a cuddly love bug before she was fixed. Now she's aloof and not nearly as lovey as she was before. She's still sweet but doesn't spend hours on your lap purring anymore.

3- There are studies that show that fixing can cause other health problems, so it's not a cure all for potential diseases later in life.

4- my friends had their cat fixed and she turned into the meanest, nastiest cat I ever saw. You can't walk into their house without the cat hissing at you and swatting you as you walk by.

[Zoom]

Welcome to the boards, your pup is adorable! I'm very glad you came to ask before doing 'the deed'.

I'm am also SO VERY PROUD of everyone in this thread! All of you give me hope!

[Renee750il]

Ditto, Zoom . . . THIS is how Chazhounders should treat people!

Nook Nook is not only adorable, he looks really, really good to this untrained eye. If you have any interest in showing, there are several people here who show and are most generous with their knowledge :)

[smkie]

WHat a doll baby of a pup!!!!!!!! Chazzers on their best behavior:D

[tempura tantrum]

Hey there- great looking puppy, and congratulations on thinking this through! I have to say I am impressed.

As a general rule, recovery from a neuter surgery is pretty easy on a male dog. Spaying (the equivalent surgery for a female), is far more invasive, and takes a lot more recovery time. When I neutered my pet boy he was up and running the very same day.

[bubbatd]

Kudos all around !!!! Grammy's proud of you !

[joce]

If you are going to neuter great-bulldogs are hard to breed and it costs a ton.

as far as when to neuter I don't like to see dogs altered untill they are fully mature. Especially with dogs that have bodys that can somewhat-I don't know adversely affect them later on in life.

But if there is any chance at all your dog could get to a female then fix at six months.

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

as far as when to neuter I don't like to see dogs altered untill they are fully mature. Especially with dogs that have bodys that can somewhat-I don't know adversely affect them later on in life.



I don't really understand why you don't want to alter them until fully mature? Can you please explain a little more? What do you mean by "dogs that have bodies that can adversly affect them later on in life" Not sure what that means, like what kind of bodies or type of dog? Or do you mean all dogs?

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

Let me preface this by saying that I support spay/neutering, but your post has a lot of assumptions that aren't always true.

1- marking. We had our pug fixed at 4 months old. He is 5 years old now and has marked his entire life. Continually. Outside, he will mark something, then turn around and hit it from another angle. I've never counted, but I would guess that an average trip outside for 30 minutes will have him marking 50 times. Our GSD, who is 17 months old and is not fixed yet, didn't start marking anything till he was over a year old, and he doesn't mark with near the frequency the pug does. He might hit a couple objects while he's outside and has never marked anything indoors, where the pug will mark indoors if you don't watch him. The GSD didn't even lift his leg until he was 10 months old.

2- if a dog has aggressive tendencies and isn't trained on how to act around other dogs, fixing won't help. You can see examples of unfixed dogs who are not aggressive all the time in dog shows, agility, and other activities where dogs interact. Changing his personality is all subjective. A well adjusted, trained, loved dog should not have personality issues whether he's fixed or not. On the cat front, we just had our female spayed. She was a cuddly love bug before she was fixed. Now she's aloof and not nearly as lovey as she was before. She's still sweet but doesn't spend hours on your lap purring anymore.

3- There are studies that show that fixing can cause other health problems, so it's not a cure all for potential diseases later in life.

4- my friends had their cat fixed and she turned into the meanest, nastiest cat I ever saw. You can't walk into their house without the cat hissing at you and swatting you as you walk by.


And that is exactly why I said various things like "possibly being agressive" and it "should change the behavior for the better" "greatly reduces the chances of getting disease and cancer" and that last paragraph, yes I should have said "it CAN change behavior for the better" not a definate "It will" so I will go back and edit that because you are right. That isn't always the case. Just a majority.

[DanL]

I don't really understand why you don't want to alter them until fully mature? Can you please explain a little more? What do you mean by "dogs that have bodies that can adversly affect them later on in life" Not sure what that means, like what kind of bodies or type of dog? Or do you mean all dogs?

There are studies that have shown that altering a male too young will cause them to not grow the same way they would if they were intact. Mainly, the dogs grow taller and are more slender, with longer legs, and don't fill out as much as they would if they were intact. My former OB trainer had Aussies, and one of hers was over 24" tall, way taller than he should be, because he was fixed at 8 weeks. He was blade thin too. He killed in the 24" agility class though!

This is why we have not altered Gunnar yet. We probably won't before he's 3, to make sure he's full grown and completely filled out.

[stevinski]

if a sheltie is neutered before hes grown his full coat, then his coat will just mostly stop growing when he gets neutered,
thats why most people with shelties wait until there dogs have grown there full coat before they neuter them

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

Ohh ok I didnt realize that. I am honestly more of a cat person, in which case I am all for pediatric spay/neuters.

I will have to do a little more research on that topic with dogs. All the shelters I have worked at and all the people I know have had their dogs altered well before 6 months and I have never known of any problems. I doubt it is the case in every dog. Just certain breeds or individual dogs.

[DanL]

Yes, I wouldn't think that a small dog would be as affected as a large dog. We had our pug fixed young, as I mentioned, and he's a nice stocky boy now, but it's hard to say how it affected him. It certainly didn't affect him peeing on every blade of grass in the yard! :)

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

Hmm okay I was just reading what the IVIS had to say about it http://www.ivis.org/advances/Concannon/olson/chapter_frm.asp?LA=1

And it is actually pretty interesting. They basically said exactly what you did DanL about the effect of early neutering in dogs. It said they found the early neuters to be slightly taller.

What I am thinking about is from the point of view of an animal rescue person where it is really better to neuter or spay the dog as early as possible (6-12 weeks) since you have no idea if the adopter will follow through on their contract or not and by 6 months, accidental litters can happen to people who aren't careful or just plain ignorant.

If you are totally responsible and don't let your dog wander, if you aren't letting your dog get pregnant, or you are showing it, then that is a little different. Sorry I always just think about it from the shelter perspective. I doubt I would ever own a purebred though and in that case I would have the dog altered as early as possible.

[mjb]

I think alot of the shelters are neutering puppies and kittens before they send them to their adoptive families. My shelter cat was neutered at 12 weeks before I brought him home. I got my dog from a different shelter. He was 2 months old, and I just got a voucher to take him to get neutered at 6 months old. They did call and check to see if we had done it, though. My vet recommended waiting until 6 months, but the only reason he gave was that being a little older and weighing a little more made the anaesthesia less risky.

[mjb]

And both my male dogs were drowsy from the anaesthesia on the day of the neuter when I brought them home. By the next day, they were playing as usual. It didn't slow them down at all, and we didn't have any trouble with biting at or scratching the incision. It was like nothing had happened!

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

The only problem I can still say is that anesthesia is a lot harder on an older dog. Puppies recover almost like nothing happened. But ya, that is great if some shelters did a better follow up but not all of them do and the best way to guarentee it will be done is to do it before the animal leaves the shelter, no matter the age.

[joce]

With dogs that are fixed early they always seem immature to me. Not jsut how they look(kinda gangly) but also how they act sometimes.

the bottom line for me is there is a higher risk of bone cancer which I have known many dogs to have than of any testicualr or mammery cancer. So I'd rather give my dog the chance to develop.

that said if ther eis any chance the dog will breed then it needs fixed asap.

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

Wow, I just learned a whole lot. I mean it is the internet so it is not alway believable but I was reading the IVIS and right now reading a 2005 article by Chris Zink DVM, PhD, DACVP. Very interesting, I guess it differs greatly between dogs and cats.

[Zoom]

It's great everyone is being so civil with this, but I think the pro/con of neutering early gone on long enought to warrent it's own thread.

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

Is it really that big of deal? I though we were all just having a conversation. The OPs original questions were answered and now we are all just talking about whether early neuter is a good idea or not, which is a question the OP asked. If that is not allowed then sorry! I did not know that.

[RedyreRottweilers]

Hey, Rousseau,

I would like to put you in touch with this breeder of bulldogs.

They have been in the breed for almost 40 years (she is second generation bulldogs), and she is a very nice person. Horney's is well known in the bulldog world, and they have bred numerous CHs.

She has an incredible depth of knowledge of the bulldog breed, and is very patient with sharing her time to educate newcomers to the breed.

Visit her website:

http://www.horneysbulldogs.com

[rousseau661]

redyre, thank you so much, i will be contacting her and picking her brain. thanks, my bully was bread by 2nd gen bulldog breeders in OK, they were very helpful when it came to educating me on the breed, as for everyone else, thank you for the help and not blowing up on the forum newb. i own a business that caters to the custom car industry and i am p[art of a few forums where we flame on people for dumb questions so i thank you for holding back.lol

[tempura tantrum]

LOL- no problem! It's always such a treat when someone comes here with a question and actually has the intelligence and patience to LISTEN to the various answers.

I don't consider questions like this "dumb" in the least. Everyone has to learn somewhere, and this is a mindboggling sort of world that most people don't even realize exists. The only thing I consider "dumb" is when it becomes clear that the person asking the question never wanted an honest answer.

Good luck with your pup- he's quite the cutie!