Whats goin on?

[dogstarsleddogs]

OK, one of my dogs (Snowball) is 60 days pregant. This is her (and mine) first litter. So for the past 3 days I've been taking her temp morning and night. Yesterday morn it was 99.7. I thought "OK, here we go!" Then by 1 pm, it was 100.2, then by evening 100.4. This morning, I took it and it was 98.9. So we moved her inside. (Never has been an inside dog.) At about 11 am, it was 101, and now, at 2:30 pm it was 100.3. Could the stress of moving inside spike the temp up that much?
Should I call the vet? I know the temp increses in the evening, but by that much? Or am I taking her temp too early? ( I've been doing it around 9-10 am when I feed them) Is this the "real deal"?
She is eating fine, and acting fine. Sleeping and panting a bit more though.
Thanks!

[RedyreRottweilers]

Call your vet. A dip that low, and then back up to 101 would worry me a LOT.

[RedyreRottweilers]

Just wondering how your girl is today?

[dogstarsleddogs]

Hello, her temp all day today has been around 99.9-100º. This morn it was 99.7, this afternoon after comming inside from going potty it was 100.1, thats the highest its been today. Last time I checked at 4:30, it was 99.9.
She is panting pretty hard, last night she was pretty sleepy, but is getting more restless and uncomfortable. She wasnt to interested in her food last night, but ate. Was even less interested this morning, but ate it all after about 1 hour. She's licking herself a bit more, and is pooping/peeing more too. (Already pooped twice today, normally poos every other day)
I did feel some slight contractions last night, and felt a pup's heartbeat!!!!! Felt a pup kinda moving around earlier today!!!!
We did call a vet to have them on call incase anything happens.

[RedyreRottweilers]

This is WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!

You could lose ALL Of your puppies if the placentas have begun to separate, and she has not gone into active labor.



The rise in temperature back to 101, after a drop below 98 I WOULD CONSIDER AN EMERGENCY!!!! Bitches this close to whelping should NEVER have a temp over 100.

This bitch needs to be LOOKED at, if she were mine, she most likely would have already had a SECTION!!!

please please do NOT ignore this, it could be VERY VERY SERIOUS!!

[bubbatd]

Time's getting shorter ... hope you have a helper and a good book !! Also hope you've read the sticky on top of this forum !! Keep us posted !!

[canadianmandy]

My dog Just had a litter...well 13 weeks ago .. and I had her sleeping on our porch in the morning and I checked her temp and she had dropped to 97 and I brought her back in my room and her temp rose to 101 and she didnt whelp till Thursday (her temp seemed to rise and fall between then) but I think due to her not likeing me sticking stuff up her butt It could never be perfectly acurate. . (I began to check her temp in her butt and her armpit and compare and In the end I was right about her going to whelp) Her temp dropped again on wed (both her butt :p and armpit temp ) and stayed that way untill thursday morning when she whelped. It may just be a mistake in how your taking her temp (not far enough in ...to far :confused: ) . All my dogs puppies lived no problems .. Im not saying your dog is the same as mine but if your vet said she is fine then I guess we will see. Let me know how it goes.

[canadianmandy]

yeah a good book and a camera is handy!!!!

[JennSLK]

but if your vet said she is fine then I guess we will see. Let me know how it goes.

The vet has to SEE the bitch to make an acurate diagnosis! Not just an over the phone thing

[bubbatd]

If you're alone , who has time for a camera !

[Barb04]

How is Snowball doing today?

[RedyreRottweilers]

I echo Barb.

Got puppies?

:D

[bubbatd]

Ditto !!

[Bailey+Ralph]

Puppies? :)

[dogstarsleddogs]

No pups yet. :( She is more restless today though. I have her ouside for a bit, and she was digging around her house, and last night everytime I checked on her she was in a different positon or a different spot. She was even less interested in her food this morn. She DID eat after a while, but even then she just wasnt that interested. Temp still hasnt came down. Wants to keep hovering around 100.

[RedyreRottweilers]

I am telling you that temp going up and staying there would worry me TERRIBLY.

Please, if you don't have puppies by the morning, TAKE HER IN TO SEE YOUR VET.

[Mach1girl]

This sounds scarey. Dixie had alot of flexibility in her temp, at first, but once the panting started, there was no slowing down!

SOUNDS(and I may be wrong) but it sounds like labor started, but no pups are comin.

Gosh, I seriously hope everything is ok. No one has heard anything yet??

OMG...........................................Now I am gonna worry all day.

[dogstarsleddogs]

Ok, I've got a quick question- besides the temp thing, does everything sound like its going fairly normal? Everyone else I've talked to said yes, but I want some more opinion.
We do have an appointment for the vet Tues (thinking the pups would be born by now, to have thier dewclaws removed), but if nothing is hapining by morn, I WILL get her in tomorrow!
Thanks everyone for your help, and I'll keep everyone posted!
Also, could it be that I am off on my days by any chance? We dont know EXCATLY when she was bred. I mean, we do, but were not sure if it "took" or not. We estimate today to be day 62.
Thanks again!

[Mach1girl]

Didnt you say the night before she started panting heavy???I dont recall for sure, and dont have time to go and re read, but if she started panting that is usually it.


Im no breeder, have only had one litter, but it sounds as if maybe she started, then stopped, which isn't good.


Red??

[bubbatd]

Has she nested in her whelping pen yet ???

[RedyreRottweilers]

If that were my bitch, I would have been RUNNING to the vet when her temp spiked back up to 101.

You are now 3 days out from this temp spike, with restless behavior, and off food.

I would STRONGLY ADVISE you to take your bitch to the vet FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.

DO NOT talk to them on the phone.

DO NOT rely on advice you get off the net.

If in fact your bitch DID start labor 3 days ago when her temp dipped, and then spiked, she is in extreme danger of becoming septic by this time.

Please, see your vet FIRST thing in the morning.

Better safe than sorry.

[Gallien Jacks]

Good post Red, I hope the thread creater realises what danger mum and pups could be in! I would be off to the vets too day or night

[bubbatd]

I sure would be scared to health !! I wonder if the pups are moving around ..........

[Bailey+Ralph]

I have never had a whelping Bitch............OP please take the advice from these good people here that have been in your position!!
They truely are telling you for your dogs (and puppies) sake.
I wouldn't wait till morning if i was the one being told to get her to the vets, i would go NOW!

[dogstarsleddogs]

A quick update here, I moved her back outside this morning, and as of 3 pm, her temp is 99.2. I will take it again at 4:30, and post what it is.

[RedyreRottweilers]

These are ABNORMAL TEMPS FOR A BITCH AT 63 DAYS.

For your bitch's sake, I surely hope that 1) she is not full of dead puppies and sepsis, and 2) she does not end up whelping outside, alone, with no help.

Please, bring her BACK inside, and take her to your vet FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.

Demand an abdominal palpation, blood work, urinalysis, and a vaginal swab to check for any putrefaction or discharge.

[stevinski]

you must take her too the vet
at the moment it seems as though she went into labour 3 days ago and there is no pups as yet!
if this is true then she will not now give birth normally
she needs to see a vet

[stevinski]

i dont think taking her inside then back outside all the time is really helping!
you should be trying to reduce stress as much as possible!

[JennSLK]

Take Her To The Vet Asap

[LabBreeder]

I'm wondering if the OP had an accidental pregnancy and never studied or learned about whelping procedures and what to do/expect?

[RedyreRottweilers]

I wish her ALL the best, but if this were my bitch I would be beside myself with worry.....

[bubbatd]

Obviously she has an outdoor dog house .... please .... tell us how you are set up for the whelp !! We are here to help you ... not bash you ! We care about your dog and the pups.

[Mach1girl]

I'm wondering if the OP had an accidental pregnancy and never studied or learned about whelping procedures and what to do/expect?
Im wondering if they are not all dead, and moms is suffering.

Outside, labor 3 days, tsk, tsk.

[dogstarsleddogs]

I WILL take her to the vet in the morning. I will NOT move her back inside. (Well, not quite yet anyway) I think it was the move inside that caused the temp spike. She has never been an inside dog, and it was my HUGE mistake bringing her in, causing un-needed stress. She will NOT be alone! I will camp out next to her if need be!
I did feel the pups move when I was out there at 6:30. Her temp at that time was 99.5. (Isnt suppose to rise a bit in the evening like humans?)
YES, this was an accidental breeding. I just found out she was pregnant 3 weeks ago. I've been trying my best to learn as much as I can in those short weeks. I'm sorry if I seem like an idiot, but I'm just trying to do the best that i can. I have witnessed/helped in 4 births before. Two were dogs, 2 were cats. I know what to expect when it comes to that. As for the days before the birth, I'll admit, I probably dont know as much as I should. I'm just trying to do the best I can. So if anyone could pass on some more good advice, it will be greatly appreciated!
I will probably keep all the pups. If I have to give them away, you can rest assured that the people looking to adopt will have a tough time. They will probably go do either dog mushers or experianced husky owners. No first time dog owners, no first time husky owners, no one with little kids, no one with a hectic job, no one in a apartment, etc. I guess in my eye no one is good enough.
As for the outside, right now she just has her regular house. The bottom is insulated with 4" of styrofoam (her house has more insulation then ours!), and has a rubber flap on the door. Once the pups are born, and Snowy settles down, we will move her back inside. When the pups are 4 weeks old they will move back outside. We will have about a 12'x12' pen, with a enclosure in our garage.
I really do appreciate everyone's help and advice. Trust me, I too am worried. I have probably been shaking for the past day. I cant stop crying from worry. She WOULD have been to the vet Sat or yesterday, but I cant seem to convince my parents that there IS something wrong. I will keep everyone posted, and most of all Thank You!

[RedyreRottweilers]

DO NOT plan to move a bitch just after whelping. This will upset EVERYTHING.

BITCHES SHOULD NOT WHELP OUTSIDE....

iwilljusthushupnow....

[JennSLK]

PLEASE move her inside now!

She needs to be inside to welp!

[Mach1girl]

Honestly,She needs to be inside. She should not whelp outside, it is a nasty dirty thing, and outside will add to the mess.

Many problems can arise from being outside, dirt, dirty, getting lost esp in the middle of the ni8ght, if you are not there, what if something goes wrong.

No one here thinks you are an idiot, but when you post being concerned, you make everyone else concerned and worry, we all give you advice that YOU SHOULD FOLLOW and you basically ignore it.

Oh, ok you "address" that you "heard" us, but dont follow what needs to be done from people who know and have been there before.

So you are the last one who should be getting defensive, and should be the first to get that mom inside, and whelp those puppies........Or call emergency vets and take her in.


I mw/ red on this one/iwillhushipnow!

[dogstarsleddogs]

Ok, another update on Snowy- her temp as of 9:30 is 98.6! She is panting/breathing somewhat hard, and is digging more.
I really dont want to move her inside, because I'm scared that she will "abort labor" again. I'm pretty sure thats what caused it. As soon as I moved her back out-her temp started dropping.
I suppose I can move her in and monitor her temp, and if it starts going back up, move her outside.
Does that agree with everyone?
Also, I think I have all the welping supplies, anyone think of anything else? I have:
lots of clean towels
dental floss
iodine
rubbing alcohol
cotton balls (you never know)
scale
sterilized scissors
Nutri-Cal
notebook and pen
watch
ribbon to identify pups
vaseline
flashlight
cardboard box with heating pad
camera (if I have time!)
syrenges
bulb dropper
Thanks

[RedyreRottweilers]

Do not try to tie cords. They should be crushed to sever them. Ditch the dental floss.

[bubbatd]

I had a rescue bitch in once who decided to whelp early under our deck ! When I heard the first pup , I crawled under, got the pup and when I took it to the whelping pen, Mom was more than pleased to follow and had the rest of the pups there. Please... bring your girl in !!!! Do you have anything set up ??

[Love4Pits]

Ok, another update on Snowy- her temp as of 9:30 is 98.6! She is panting/breathing somewhat hard, and is digging more.
I really dont want to move her inside, because I'm scared that she will "abort labor" again. I'm pretty sure thats what caused it. As soon as I moved her back out-her temp started dropping.
I suppose I can move her in and monitor her temp, and if it starts going back up, move her outside.
Does that agree with everyone?
Also, I think I have all the welping supplies, anyone think of anything else? I have:
lots of clean towels
dental floss
iodine
rubbing alcohol
cotton balls (you never know)
scale
sterilized scissors
Nutri-Cal
notebook and pen
watch
ribbon to identify pups
vaseline
flashlight
cardboard box with heating pad
camera (if I have time!)
syrenges
bulb dropper
Thanks

You should definatly not be moving her in and out of the house like you plan to. She should be IN THE HOUSE most of my dogs live their lives outdoors and when my bitches are ready to welp or weeks before that time I bring her in my home. This does not sound good at all.

[Love4Pits]

You moving her in and out and such is probley what is stressing her out. If you would just leave her be in the house and let her settle she would be fine. Honestly you should have brought her in when you found out she was going to have puppies 3 weeks ago.

[dogstarsleddogs]

Ok, so how should I crush the cords? With my fingernail/finger? I cut my finger nails really short though....
I also brought her in, 15 mins after comming in, her temp was 99.3. Move her back out, within 15 mins, its back down to 98.6º.
She dragged me outside to her house. I had to drag her inside to mine.
And for moving her in and out- I moved her in when temp hit 98.3. It went up over 100 for 3 days. I moved her outside, it droped down to 98.6 in less then 9 hours.
I do have something set up inside, in the basement. I gated off a corner, put her box in it (on top of 1 1/2" of styrofoam insulation), and covered the floor with pine bedding. (The stuff they put in horse stalls). We do have a space heater too that I plan on using.

[Love4Pits]

Ok, so how should I crush the cords? With my fingernail/finger? I cut my finger nails really short though....
I also brought her in, 15 mins after comming in, her temp was 99.3. Move her back out, within 15 mins, its back down to 98.6º.
She dragged me outside to her house. I had to drag her inside to mine.
And for moving her in and out- I moved her in when temp hit 98.3. It went up over 100 for 3 days. I moved her outside, it droped down to 98.6 in less then 9 hours.
I do have something set up inside, in the basement. I gated off a corner, put her box in it (on top of 1 1/2" of styrofoam insulation), and covered the floor with pine bedding. (The stuff they put in horse stalls). We do have a space heater too that I plan on using.

*Sigh* Pick one spot for her to welp and keep her there. Quit moving her so much your going to stress her out and thats extremly bad for her right now. i wouldn't use pine bedding either. The fumes from it alone are bad for the puppies to breath into their little lungs. Its just not the safest way to go.

I have a whelping box and I lay down dog beds in it and cover those with fuzzy faux fur blankets that I clean everyday. It is also insulated and warm and comfortable and safe.

[RedyreRottweilers]

YOU CANNOT HAVE PUPPIES ON SHAVINGS!!!!

Puppies must have bedding such as indoor outdoor carpet, etc, something they can get footing on.

Shavings are a DISASTER, the bitch will consume too much trying ot keep them clean, etc.

If you don't CHANGE what you are doing, you are not going to have any puppies to worry about.

Hope you get her to the vet TODAY.

[bubbatd]

NO SHAVINGS !!!! Bad for both Mom and pups ! Those shavings will cover the wet pups and be a mess. Mom may not ever want to clean them up and eat the placentas. Blankets or large towels... they get soaked !

[sweetbassets]

Oh my, I can not believe what I am reading.
Please Please Please take her to the vet as soon as possible. Has she lost her mucus plug yet? Is she having any discharge, and if so what color is it?
My female had a litter of puppies in March and it was both her's and my first litter. She showed the signs of early labor and I had her sleep with me, and had her close by at all times. That night she was showing very light contractions, and by the next morning she started panting and couldn't get comfortable. She then began pushing with contractions which, if they are up they look like they are tring to poop. After watching and seeing she wasn't producing a pup I RUSHED her to the Vet. I am so glad I did because she had to have a c-section and if I would have waited I could of lost not only the puppies, but also the mom too.
Do you know any of the warning signs to look for? I was lucky I made sure to research everything that goes on during whelping both good and bad because if I hadn't I could of been responsible for the death of those wonderful little pups and my Libby Lou.
If she is panting, and you said she was having light contractions and that was a day or so ago, please take her to the vet. Those are signs she is in labor and if she hasn't started active labor then she needs your help. It's better for the vet to see her and her not to be in labor yet then it would be for you to make the wrong decision to wait and risk her life and the life of the puppies.
Good luck and I hope everything is ok, and everyone is healthy and safe.

[bubbatd]

I hope we hear soon how the vet visit went !

[JennSLK]

If you are actually concerned about the well being of your bitch and her pups you should listen to the advice your being given but EXPREIANCED breeders

[Mach1girl]

I dont think she liked the advice, because she isn't listening.

I pray to GOD that those pups are safe, and momma, and they all be placed in a home where they will be taken care of, no matter what happens.


Poor, poor momma and babies.

Doesnt this just F%$# a day up??
Happy Monday!

[Gallien Jacks]

I cant read anymore, i am so angry I haven't felt like this before, that poor dog and those poor pups what sort of a home are they in!

[Mach1girl]

I cant read anymore, i am so angry I haven't felt like this before, that poor dog and those poor pups what sort of a home are they in!
Ditto, I am afraid to visit this thread, afraid I am gonna see what went wrong.

But hey, who are we to judge, after all, she came on asking for help, and we tried to give her help, it is out of our hands.

I hate feeling so helpless on this side of the computer.

I think of my babies, and man, what could have happened w/out the people's help from Cahzzy, and TG for you guys.

Just keep praying guys, and after the Lord clears mom and the babies, maybe he can send them to where they will be taken care of in a great way.

Thats all we can do.

[LabBreeder]

All the owner keeps doing is moving her in and out and in and out over and over again. She's upsetting the bitch so much it's ridiculous. The pups are going to end up dead if she doesn't listen to the GOOD advice she's getting.

[bubbatd]

Mach.... we came on to you hot and heavy , but you did listen .. I just keep checking back here with my fingers crossed . Wish she'd check in !!

[Fran27]

Keep in mind that the OP lives with her/his parents and it's not always easy to make them understand sometimes.

I hope there is an update soon, I'm worried too :(

[Love4Pits]

Im just so disturbed by all this. Im hoping that some how it all works out for the best. Whatever that may be.

[Melissa_W]

Please give us an update asap... we're all very worried.

[RedyreRottweilers]

Hoping you are busy with new babies.

Please update us soon.

[Gallien Jacks]

Ditto, I am afraid to visit this thread, afraid I am gonna see what went wrong.

But hey, who are we to judge, after all, she came on asking for help, and we tried to give her help, it is out of our hands.

I hate feeling so helpless on this side of the computer.

I think of my babies, and man, what could have happened w/out the people's help from Cahzzy, and TG for you guys.

Just keep praying guys, and after the Lord clears mom and the babies, maybe he can send them to where they will be taken care of in a great way.

Thats all we can do.

I know we shouldn't judge but when advice is asked for, given and not taken then what are we to do, if someone told me to get my dog to the vets because they were in danger I would run to the vets not sit back and put my dog outside, regardless if this person is living with parents, there is still things that they could do, like for starters tell the vets what is going on

[Mach1girl]

Or drag the parents to the dang computer screen and make them read advice!Realize something is wrong!

Sorry for the late reply, PM annoyances, gotta deal with occasionally...ya know!!!

[Gallien Jacks]

I know hun, personally i just think the parent thing is a cop out, but fingers crossed all is well

[Mach1girl]

I know hun, personally i just think the parent thing is a cop out, but fingers crossed all is well
My fingers are crossed, and I kee pthem in my thoughts(mom & babies)

Wonder if we will ever hear??

[Gallien Jacks]

I really hope so, like Red said maybe they are busy with babies, if so i hope they will ask for help with raising them

[poodlesmom]

I really do appreciate everyone's help and advice. Trust me, I too am worried. I have probably been shaking for the past day. I cant stop crying from worry. She WOULD have been to the vet Sat or yesterday, but I cant seem to convince my parents that there IS something wrong. I will keep everyone posted, and most of all Thank You!

As frustrating as it is, especially for all of the experienced breeders here who understand the severity of the situation, I honestly feel she is trying her best to do what is in her power to do to help her dog have a safe delivery.

Hopefully she was able to convince her parents of the urgency of the situation and has convinced them to take her to the vet or nature took its course and she's busy with a bunch of squirming puppies and their tired out mother.

Anxiously waiting for an update.

[bubbatd]

I wish her parents would listen !!! Obviously it's been their call all along ( even to the woodchips ) and I personally am beginning to feel sorry for her. I wish she would check in, so we can help her out .

[filarotten]

Me too, Grammy. I have been keeping my eye on this thread, but I don't know anything about breeding so I have not been posting. I hope we hear something soon.

[Dani]

This doesn't sound good:( But I hope everythings ok!

[bubbatd]

I just hopes she knows that we're in her corner and wasn't driven away. I'm first to admit that I jumped to conclusions before knowing all the facts....I wish she had mentioned her parents in the 1st thread .... and her age.

[Mach1girl]

tap....tap....tap.

That is how most "breeders" end up making mistakes, being pushed into a corner.

But in all honestly, I re read the entire thread, and she wasn't.

The only reasons now she is not responding is 1(The pups are here and she is busy2)Something horrible has happened and she is embarassed3)She is at the vet


Lets hope it is not 2.

[bubbatd]

Mach .... as you know it depends on the breeder.... none are pushed into a corner.That's their choice if they don't respond. I feel this is one of the most important forums... check on the number of lurkers vs the number of members. Information is the best for healthy Mom and whelps. If this Mom or pups were lost because of poor judgment ( not the poster but the parent's ) it would take shear guts to come back and report. Which I hope she does...to help others. Please people... if she does come back, please be kind !! The original post was for help... and this is why we are here.

[poodlesmom]

Please people... if she does come back, please be kind !! The original post was for help... and this is why we are here.

Grammy, I agree completely with this as well as your prior comment that you wished she had mentioned her parents in her OP. That is why I feel we really need to be keep this type of situation in mind when new posters post a thread that is about a problem. We don't know all the facts and history and as appears with this one she was honestly concerned and looking for whatever help the experienced breeders here could share with her. I thoroughly understand the frustration level that can easily be reached when someone is knowledgeable about an issue and they don't feel their advice is being followed. We need to give the best advice in the most diplomatic way possible stressing the importance of it and the possible consequences so that all that info can be shared with those who might be in the decision making position if the OP is not that person. This is a public forum and many times it will be kids who are asking the questions because in their heart they feel something is wrong and are looking for the guidance here and suggestions for problems with their furpals that they don't feel their parents have the answers for.

OK, I'll quit rambling now and continue to hope for an update with good news.

[bubbatd]

Very well put !! We really need to know facts before we bash ! And I admit.. I came in too hot and heavy .

[RedyreRottweilers]

Unfortunately, by not giving us all the information (age, parents, etc) the OP set herself up for the responses she received.

Hope all is well with the bitch and puppies....

[MomOf7]

Dear poster,
Since this was a accidental breeding im sure its hard to say for sure what day exactly she will whelp or what day she got knocked up. I know from personal experience in whelping that the last few days the moms temp can flux a bit. I wasnt really worried about the change in temp when I started reading. I figured since this is your first litter that the days of mating could be off depending on when you first bred her or if you counted from the last time she was bred.
I hope that since you havent come back yet to check in that all went well for mom and pups.
Last litter I had my females temp was all over the place the last week untill the day of whelp. She had 10 perfectly healthy pups. None were runts and they all were doing well. I hope that this is the case for you.
I can imagine how nervous and emotional you are or were when this was or is going on. I get nervous and emotional with every litter I have.
Take a deep breath and please update us even if the news is bad. Sometimes things are just out of our controll.

[pup-man]

Puppies arrived!

New thread is here: http://chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29359

[bubbatd]

Soooooooooo relieved !!!!

[dogstarsleddogs]

I would like to thank everyone for the constructive critisism (sp?). I'm sorry that I didnt post all the info on the situation, that was my mistake. I understand that things can heat up in a public forum, and when I come and post things that are pretty controversial, that only heats things up more. But for all the wonderful advice, I thank you.

[JennSLK]

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I would like to thank everyone for the constructive critisism (sp?). I'm sorry that I didnt post all the info on the situation, that was my mistake. I understand that things can heat up in a public forum, and when I come and post things that are pretty controversial, that only heats things up more. But for all the wonderful advice, I thank you

Im impressed by your maturity. If only all our members were like that,