View Full Version : De-Barking
JennSLK
06-21-2006, 11:16 AM
What exactly is involved in the surgery? I know someone who is getting it done to their sheltie so I was just wondering what it invloved.
No debabtes on if it's ethical or not. Start a NEW thread for that.
bubbatd
06-21-2006, 12:01 PM
That became a long and VERY heated subject.
RedyreRottweilers
06-21-2006, 12:06 PM
I do not in any way think debarking is cruel.
If a dog is a problem barker, this solves the problem for everyone.
Dogs don't care if they are debarked. They "whisper" away just as cheerily as they did before. The only thing different is they are not yelled at, squirted, shaken penny cans at, etc. for disturbing with their barking.
If a dog is a problem barker, I personally think this is the very kindest solution for all concerned.
It certainly does not bother the dogs in the slightest.
GSDlover_4ever
06-21-2006, 12:16 PM
I agree with Red. I was reading an article (I misplaced the link) and it says the dogs still bark its just a softer to mute tone. Its not like they know that they arent barking. Its a great solution for those who live in the city or apartments, where its illegal to own a dog that barks the whole night through. I rather have my dog debarked than have him taken from me by the city, and God only knows what they would do to him.
JennSLK
06-21-2006, 12:20 PM
I do NOT want this turned into a debate.
Can someone please explaine HOW the procedure is done?
RedyreRottweilers
06-21-2006, 12:31 PM
http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/archives/debark_qna.htm
LabBreeder
06-21-2006, 12:41 PM
I didn't look at the site Red Rot posted yet, but from what I read on another thread (the old debating one) the vet gets snips and clips a "v" in the vocal chords.
*ok, just visited the site...it is one of the ways to debark.*
StillandSilent
06-21-2006, 01:13 PM
I'm curious, is there any way to tell if a dog has been debarked after the fact? Other then listining to it I mean. Any scars to look for?
Red_ACD_for_me
06-21-2006, 01:19 PM
Alot of sheltie owners get it done and it involves the snipping of vocal cords. A cousin of mine bought a sheltie from a breeder who had it done to her dogs. Every time cody tried to bark he sounded horse. I'm sorry but I think it is cruel. :o :(
Melissa_W
06-21-2006, 01:22 PM
Alot of sheltie owners get it done and it involves the snipping of vocal cords. A cousin of mine bought a sheltie from a breeder who had it done to her dogs. Every time cody tried to bark he sounded horse. I'm sorry but I think it is cruel. :o :(
It irritates me when people do it to shelties. If you don't like barking, don't get a sheltie!
LabBreeder
06-21-2006, 01:23 PM
silent - as far as I know there are no outside visible scars. The go down the throat (assuming I read it right).
Red & Melissa - OP doesn't want a debate, remember. Just an answer to the question. :)
JennSLK
06-21-2006, 01:24 PM
Why does almost every form have to turn into a debate.
I started this topic looking for FACTUAL information on de-barking. NOT opinions. PLEASE take it to another post if you want to debate weather or not is cruel!!!
This topic is NOT the place!
JennSLK
06-21-2006, 01:25 PM
We posted at the same time. Thank you Labbreeder
MomOf7
06-21-2006, 01:25 PM
I hear its a fairly easy surgery and recovery is quick
Red_ACD_for_me
06-21-2006, 01:28 PM
It irritates me when people do it to shelties. If you don't like barking, don't get a sheltie!
EXACTLY! That's what I say.
LabBreeder
06-21-2006, 01:41 PM
RED ACD - You need to take it to another thread. Start your own debarking debate or something. The OP has stated "this is not a debate" and she only wants her question answered. Please show the proper respect.
I'm sure everyone here can state their opinions without this getting into another ugly debate. I haven't seen anyone baiting anyone else here so hopefully it will stay that way. Jenn, you asked a question so you should be able to understand that you might get answers that you do not like or agree with ;)
RedyreRottweilers
06-21-2006, 01:53 PM
But why is it cruel?
It doesn't bother the dog.
They bark just as merrily as before, they just don't get corrected for it.
What's the big deal? Barking can bother more than just the owner. It can bother neighbors too, and get you citations in town.
Some breeds are very barky. Why not have a minor surgery done so they can bark to their hearts content and not get reprimanded for it?
It is certainly no more of a surgery than spaying or neutering, and this sort of thing can keep MANY dogs from being put down.
For me, if I had the choice of living with a dog who had a barking problem and having it debarked, I'd debark it EVERY time.
bubbatd
06-21-2006, 04:59 PM
The original question has been answered .... case over ?!
Red_ACD_for_me
06-22-2006, 02:34 AM
RED ACD - You need to take it to another thread. Start your own debarking debate or something. The OP has stated "this is not a debate" and she only wants her question answered. Please show the proper respect.
Sorry, if I ruffled some feathers but I don't see a "debate" section on this forum and while I said how debarking is done I also said that I didn't like the procedure. Just my opinion *wink* I'm sorry if what I said was thought to start a debate. *blushes* I mean't no dis-respect :)
SummerRiot
06-22-2006, 02:58 AM
Red ACD - As Jenn said - START A NEW TOPIC please if you'd like to continue on in the debate.
No there isn't any scars on the outside of the dog that you could physically see.
Almost all of our Sheltie breeders dogs have been de-barked for the exact same reason that Red stated a few posts up. All are happy and very healthy dogs that do not attract police attention from neighbours. They seem to recover very quickly - if not, the next day they seem 100% normal.
And your right, they DONT know that you can barely hear them barking lol
PoodleMommy
06-22-2006, 05:04 AM
Almost everyone here is stating opinions on debarking...
But those who say it is not cruel, its a great procedure, Id get it done... are the ones that are allowed to talk.
Those who say they think it is a cruel procedure are told to stop debating.
Information, on the debarking process, is easily accessible on the web... if someone posts here they are bound to get others opinions of the situation, nothing here as turned ugly... so why cant people give their opinions?
Side Note: I left my opinion out, so I can not be considered as debating!
Elissa
debbiew
06-22-2006, 12:53 PM
I don't think it is cruel at all. I remember one year I went to Disney World, and the hotel we stayed at was holding a Sheltie show. Every Sheltie around me was "snipped". I lived in a condo with my Boston Terr who loved to bark. I worked, and he stayed in a crate and still barked. It came down to either get rid of the dog or do something. My vet suggested a Bark Buster which is a collor that sends a 9 volt to the dog everytime it barks. I think that was more cruel than getting a surgery done. Poor Dudley was maybe 2 when I did this, and lived a long life of 15, and hardley ever barked. Poor baby, but it was better than getting rid of him.
Red_ACD_for_me
06-22-2006, 01:16 PM
excuse me but I beleive I apologized ;) so please stop picking on me:D . As Saje said you are bound to get advice as well as opinions on this whole topic. Again I mean no dis-respect.
SummerRiot
06-22-2006, 01:48 PM
I didn't see your apology post, sorry.
stevinski
06-22-2006, 02:06 PM
can u show a de-barked dogs?
SummerRiot
06-22-2006, 02:14 PM
Steve - YES you can! :)
The Sheltie kennel where Jada and Crosbie are from show their dogs extensively and almost all are de-barked.
MomOf7
06-22-2006, 02:17 PM
Look what I miss when I sleep in?!!
I suppose I missed out on popcorn and beer again:D
http://www.burnleyweb.com/forum/images/smilies/animated/cheers.gif
SummerRiot
06-22-2006, 02:21 PM
LOL actually Im surprised - the thread has remained top notch, no fighting lol YAY!!
I think THIS calls for popcorn and Beer lmao
LabBreeder
06-22-2006, 04:32 PM
popcorn and beer! WooHoo!!
Me want, me want! :) Puh-lease
Red_ACD_for_me
06-22-2006, 06:31 PM
I didn't see your apology post, sorry.
That's okay! I want to make friends not enemy's :) LOL!
bubbatd
06-22-2006, 06:59 PM
Agree all the way around Summer !!! The civility here deserves a party !! After the last round on this subject, this IS a pleasure !! BTW...I like lots of butter and a cold mug !
What exactly is involved in the surgery? I know someone who is getting it done to their sheltie so I was just wondering what it invloved.
No debabtes on if it's ethical or not. Start a NEW thread for that.
Im suprised you didnt use the search function and then PM SummerRiot.
dogsbestfriend
06-23-2006, 08:14 AM
It irritates me when people do it to shelties. If you don't like barking, don't get a sheltie!
I agree. If you don't like barking, or any other "inconvenience" that comes with owning any dog, no matter what breed, don't get one! How would you like it if your parents got your vocal cords snipped because you talked to much or too loud??? But then again, that's just my opinion.
EliNHunter
06-23-2006, 10:26 AM
My ex-husband's mother debarked her min. dachsund... it barked just as loud but it was just more hoarse :rolleyes: