labradoodles?

[princess_poppy]

ok, i would love another dog and my dad has fallen in love with them, i have found this breeders and it looks quite good, what do you think
http://www.kimberlenes-labradoodles.co.uk/index.html

[LabBreeder]

again, this thread has already been done. you've posted the same thing before. it's like your trying to get a rise out of all the chaz members or something. why don't you look at your previous thread with the same topic and see what was said there. don't start another uproarious debate cause you think it's funny.

[Giny]

again, this thread has already been done. you've posted the same thing before. it's like your trying to get a rise out of all the chaz members or something. why don't you look at your previous thread with the same topic and see what was said there. don't start another uproarious debate cause you think it's funny.
Wow, that was quite harsh, don't you thing?! I'm not familiar with the OP but this is the first thread I've seen her start in regards to labradoodles, not saying others weren't start but I don't remember her starting one.

[LabBreeder]

it's not harsh at all. what's going to be harsh is when others see this thread and the dreaded "doodle debate" starts all over. it gets annoying after awhile, repeating the same thing over and over just to satisfy someone's insatiable urge to stir things up. i'll find the threads and post them so the OP can refer to them for answers.

[Saje]

Yes it is harsh. Especially since this the the only post of hers with the word labradoodle in it. I'm not sure how she started a debate on labradoodles without using that word so if I'm wrong feel free to point me in the right direction.

[princess_poppy]

no i havent started a doddle debate before, and im not staring a debate i was just saying that do you think this looks like a good breeders? i dont want to start an argument, sorry if you took it the wrong way.

[LabBreeder]

Actually, I looked up all the threads I could find and I haven't found any that were started by the OP of this thread, but she did respond to the other "doodle" threads. Regarding my statement of "posting other doodle threads" I apologize. You can, however, see that there have been lots of doodle threads started or resurected recently.

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26507&highlight=designer+dog+doodle

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28737&highlight=designer+dog+doodle

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21369&highlight=designer+dog+doodle

Here are the doodle threads I found, I'm sure there are more, I just can't find them right now. :) Have fun perusing the threads. I'm sure you'll get the general idea of what is thought of regarding doodles.

[Saje]

Try and keep in mind she was asking about a breeder not what people thought about doodles.

[Giny]

dr2little would be a great person to answer your questions. I know I've learnt a lot when it comes to labradoodle because of her and other members from this site. I was once quite dead set against them but I’ve learnt there are good breeders if you search for them.

[princess_poppy]

thats ok, i dont mind, lol, it's just the breeders sounded quite good here, and not that far away

[LabBreeder]

I'm still trying to figure out how they can get a puppy with a BVA rating of 4 or 1 when Labs and Poodles average 16 and 15? Don't most breeders also let you come visit, regardless of having an appointment? Unless I missed something, they don't do OFA and CERF certs either. I didn't see anything about health guarantees on the puppies either.

[Renee750il]

Definitely PM dr2little. She did quite an exhaustive search and extensive breeder research before finding her Sophie.

[GSDlover_4ever]

I like the fact that they state that no breed is hypoallergenic (most BYB's brag about them being, and I like poeple who are honest) , but thats about it.

[Fran27]

Ok all doodle-specific debate aside...

I like their way of thinking, and the way they really want to have dogs with no genetic problems. But their site isn't enough to have an opinion - how many litters do they have a year? Anything over 3 means that they can't socialize the puppies properly. How much do they charge? The main problem of labradoodle breeders is that they charge just way too much for them, for really no reason other than to make money out of it.

It's really what you should look for in ANY breeder - health testing, good socialization (ie, not too many litters a year), and a reasonable price.

[summitview]

Looks like just another puppymill with a pretty website to me. No such thing as an ethical mutt breeder. If you want a Lab/Poodle mix, please refer to Petfinder.com - there are plenty of them on there, including ones from "Labradoodle breeding programs."

[Saje]

Looks like just another puppymill with a pretty website to me. No such thing as an ethical mutt breeder. If you want a Lab/Poodle mix, please refer to Petfinder.com - there are plenty of them on there, including ones from "Labradoodle breeding programs."

Thank you. That's been covered in the links listed on the first page and I really don't want to see this turn into another debate thread.

[summitview]

Hey - She asked, I answered. I don't think the breeder is ethical. I saw things that most mutt breeders put out there to try and trick people into thinking their mixes are healthier and have "hybrid vigor" and therefore will have no health problems. They also don't prove their dogs - they breed them to sell them and make a buck. Not ethical.

[princess_poppy]

thats what i found they dont list any of there pups or prices, ive spent the whole afternoon reaserching, no luck yet.

[Saje]

Hey - She asked, I answered. I don't think the breeder is ethical. I saw things that most mutt breeders put out there to try and trick people into thinking their mixes are healthier and have "hybrid vigor" and therefore will have no health problems. They also don't prove their dogs - they breed them to sell them and make a buck. Not ethical.

Like I said, thanks for the info just keep in mind that we don't need a whole new debate stirred up. It's all been said before.

[dr2little]

Looks like just another puppymill with a pretty website to me. No such thing as an ethical mutt breeder. If you want a Lab/Poodle mix, please refer to Petfinder.com - there are plenty of them on there, including ones from "Labradoodle breeding programs."

This is just another typical response. Did you actually read the site that the OP presented?
I want to say that I understand the responses that again, a simple question with the word "Labradoodle" in it has generated....but I'm just fed up at this point.
Remember, there's a person on the other end of the post. I can understand this kind of response if someone was being rude or somehow promoting BYB....but come on PEOPLE she asked a reasonable question!!
I have PM'd the OP just to try to help her out without starting another ridiculous debate!

[summitview]

Yes, I went and read through the entire site of the "breeder." Regardless of health testing and beauty and temperament - someone breeding dogs (purebred or mixed) simply to sell will never get the thumbs up from me. Sorry, I only support ethical breeders.

[GSDlover_4ever]

Why is everyone being rude to Summit? Just because she doesnt agree with the breeder. The OP knew the risk of this turning into a debate before she posted it. Summit was not debating anything, just stating an opinion. Its the other people who reply to it, that makes it a debate. An argument takes TWO people. If you dont want a debate dont reply to it.

[LabBreeder]

I would say they aren't that great.
1. No mention of pups/year
2. No mention of price
3. No mention of health guarantees
4. No mention of parents
5. No mention of OFA or CERF certs on parents

It's just not good. Only from the breeder question standpoint, not mentioning that it's 'doodles' or what they say about 'em on the site.

[dr2little]

I would say they aren't that great.
1. No mention of pups/year
2. No mention of price
3. No mention of health guarantees
4. No mention of parents
5. No mention of OFA or CERF certs on parents

It's just not good. Only from the breeder question standpoint, not mentioning that it's 'doodles' or what they say about 'em on the site.

I'm not sure you were on the same site...I read about all but the price and pups/year. Also, not saying they're great but it's worth mentioning that they do encourage a visit to their property to meet the pups and parents and are experienced breeders. They make no false claims and if you read the "about us" and the "about Labradoodles" sections, I don't believe they are BYB's.:)

[iluvpitbulls]

You know what i think? I think that labbreeder is trying to bring down the lab/poodle mix because she wants to "promote" "her" breed. labbreeder, every single labradoodle thread that i've been to, you have been the first to start the debates. Well you know what? if you dont like it, dont enter the thread! Simple as that, nothing useful to say than dont say it. All she was asking for was if this was a good breeder, as did I in my earlier thread.

[iluvpitbulls]

and please dont think that a pure bred lab is any better than a labradoodle

[Roxy's CD]

All dogs are awesome! :)

Should you research a lot to find a good breeder? yes. Not just for Labradoodles but any dog.

I think someone mentioned on another thread, that BYB's of any breed of dog are bad... Not all labradoodle breeders are BYB's. Yes there are some that are just in it for the money, and yes there are some that just love the look/temperment of the dog.

There's always good and bad. You just have to make an educated decision.

There are plenty of bad purebred dog breeders out there.

[summitview]

I can understand why a purebred lab enthusiast would be upset over their breed of dog being used to create mixes for profit. The Labrador Retriever Club doesn't support the Labradoodle:

The Labrador Retriever Club, Incorporated is dedicated to the health and welfare of the Labrador Retriever breed while conserving the original breed function - that of a "working retriever." A purebred dog offers to his owner the likelihood that he will be a specific size, shape, color and temperament. The predictability of a breed comes from selection for traits that are desirable and away from traits that are undesirable. When a breed standard or type is set, the animals within that breed have less heterozygosity than do animals in a random population

A Labradoodle is nothing more than an expensive mongrel. Because the genetic makeup is diverse from the Poodle genes and the Labrador genes, the resultant first generation (F1) offspring is a complete genetic gamble. The dog may be any size, color, coat texture and temperament. Indeed Labradoodles do shed. Their coat may be wiry or silky and may mat. Body shape varies with parentage but tends to be lanky and narrow. Behavior varies with the dog and within a litter with some puppies poodle-like in attitude and others somewhat like the Labrador Retriever.

The Labrador Retriever Club, Inc. is opposed to cross-breeding of dogs and is particularly opposed to the deliberate crossing of Labrador Retrievers with any other breed. These crossbreds are a deliberate attempt to mislead the public with the idea that there is an advantage to these designer dogs. The crossbred dogs are prone to all of the genetic disease of both breeds and offer none of the advantages that owning a purebred dog has to offer.

Frances S. Smith DVM, Ph.D.
LRC, Inc. Board of Directors
Diplomate American College of Theriogenology

June 20, 2005

http://thelabradorclub.com/library/labradoodle.html

[dr2little]

All dogs are awesome! :)

Should you research a lot to find a good breeder? yes. Not just for Labradoodles but any dog.

I think someone mentioned on another thread, that BYB's of any breed of dog are bad... Not all labradoodle breeders are BYB's. Yes there are some that are just in it for the money, and yes there are some that just love the look/temperment of the dog.

There's always good and bad. You just have to make an educated decision.

There are plenty of bad purebred dog breeders out there.

Ah, the voice of reason...music to my ears. I was going to say that Roxy's CD but as an owner of a Labradoodle, who is not currently wearing protective gear, I'm glad you posted instead. I too have a hard time understanding why some people seem to think that all Labradoodles come from BYB's but that all breeders of pure breds breed to better their breed rather than for money. It's a selfish "business".
I mean lets do the math, labs, goldens (which I do like) have what...up to 10..sometimes more pups. How many are sold to family homes and how many are used to "better the line"...
There are terrific breeders out there but they are unfortunately hugely out numbered by the bad ones...hence breed specific rescues.
Like I said before, in my perfect world ALL BREEDERS would be regulated to the nuts.

[GSDlover_4ever]

and please dont think that a pure bred lab is any better than a labradoodle

That was very rude. You guys are starting the debate. Now labbreeder will come back and defend herself which is something she has every right to do.
And then it all begins. :eek:

[dr2little]

I can understand why a purebred lab enthusiast would be upset over their breed of dog being used to create mixes for profit. The Labrador Retriever Club doesn't support the Labradoodle:

The Labrador Retriever Club, Incorporated is dedicated to the health and welfare of the Labrador Retriever breed while conserving the original breed function - that of a "working retriever." A purebred dog offers to his owner the likelihood that he will be a specific size, shape, color and temperament. The predictability of a breed comes from selection for traits that are desirable and away from traits that are undesirable. When a breed standard or type is set, the animals within that breed have less heterozygosity than do animals in a random population

A Labradoodle is nothing more than an expensive mongrel. Because the genetic makeup is diverse from the Poodle genes and the Labrador genes, the resultant first generation (F1) offspring is a complete genetic gamble. The dog may be any size, color, coat texture and temperament. Indeed Labradoodles do shed. Their coat may be wiry or silky and may mat. Body shape varies with parentage but tends to be lanky and narrow. Behavior varies with the dog and within a litter with some puppies poodle-like in attitude and others somewhat like the Labrador Retriever.

The Labrador Retriever Club, Inc. is opposed to cross-breeding of dogs and is particularly opposed to the deliberate crossing of Labrador Retrievers with any other breed. These crossbreds are a deliberate attempt to mislead the public with the idea that there is an advantage to these designer dogs. The crossbred dogs are prone to all of the genetic disease of both breeds and offer none of the advantages that owning a purebred dog has to offer.

Frances S. Smith DVM, Ph.D.
LRC, Inc. Board of Directors
Diplomate American College of Theriogenology

June 20, 2005

http://thelabradorclub.com/library/labradoodle.html

Why is this so important to you. Oh and by the way, using the word mongrel to drive your point home just speaks to what I said about your last post.
How many of these dogs do you know. Honestly now, not just to prove your point but really...have you met any? You all talk about the Labradoodle like it's an alien rather than, like all other breeds once were, a dog bred with a purpose in mind...maybe not what you consider important but how many of the pure breds are actually doing what they were bred for?
I only ask because I think if you or anyone else really were closer to the issue you would see that none of us promote BYB's, be it pure bred or mixed. Again, please go back to OP....why???

[GSDlover_4ever]

Ah, the voice of reason...music to my ears. I was going to say that Roxy's CD but as an owner of a Labradoodle, who is not currently wearing protective gear, I'm glad you posted instead. I too have a hard time understanding why some people seem to think that all Labradoodles come from BYB's but that all breeders of pure breds breed to better their breed rather than for money. It's a selfish "business".
I mean lets do the math, labs, goldens (which I do like) have what...up to 10..sometimes more pups. How many are sold to family homes and how many are used to "better the line"...
There are terrific breeders out there but they are unfortunately hugely out numbered by the bad ones...hence breed specific rescues.
Like I said before, in my perfect world ALL BREEDERS would be regulated to the nuts.


I'm not against creating a breed for a useful purpose but you have to admit that they are getting rediculous with all the doodles. Labradoodle..ok, golden doodle...um ok but then it started getting rediculous, now almost every breed has a doodle.

[Roxy's CD]

That was very rude. You guys are starting the debate. Now labbreeder will come back and defend herself which is something she has every right to do.
And then it all begins. :eek:


LOL, I agree in a sense. It's dependent on what the animal is for. If you are using a lab for field work, than yes, a lab will 9 times out of 10 maybe even 9.9 times out of 10 (LOL) be better.

But as a pet? Any dog can be a great pet. A labradoodle or a lab. Of course the lab will generally be better at what it was BRED for, but as for being a pet any dog can be a good pet.

LOL@ dr2little. Maybe you should put your protective gear on just in case.. I don't want to see you get hurt :D LOL

[summitview]

It's important to me because for two years it was my job to euthanize the overwhelming number of dogs in two different counties. Plenty were Labs and Lab mixes, and yes - one or two were Lab/Poodle mixes with temperament problems. It was also my job to go out and investigate the backyard breeders and puppymills that we received complaints about. I'm well aware that there are great numbers of BYB/PM in purebreds. I've met many mixed-breed breeders offline and on, and I've yet to find one that truly fit the mold for a responsible breeder.

And as for purebreds doing what they were bred for - I'm not a fan of people with working/herding breeds that simply show their breeding stock in conformation. I had racing Siberians for nine years, and my dogs DID do what they were bred to do.

I simply cannot justify supporting someone who is producing dogs solely to sell to the pet market when there are plenty of pets in existence today. I euthanized way too many dogs (mixed and pure) produced by people like this.

And by the way, I didn't use the word mongrel. That was in the article from the national breed club that I quoted.

[GSDlover_4ever]

And it begins *ding* , lol. :D

[dr2little]

I'm not against creating a breed for a useful purpose but you have to admit that they are getting rediculous with all the doodles. Labradoodle..ok, golden doodle...um ok but then it started getting rediculous, now almost every breed has a doodle.

I agree with you, as would any other reasonable person. This was never to me, or any other OP using the word Labradoodle, about doodles of every description. The word Labradoodle is what insites all of the negative/rude responses. Funny as this was the only "oodle" that was bred with a purpose in mind...again, not referring to BYB's.

[GSDlover_4ever]

I agree with you, as would any other reasonable person. This was never to me, or any other OP using the word Labradoodle, about doodles of every description. The word Labradoodle is what insites all of the negative/rude responses. Funny as this was the only "oodle" that was bred with a purpose in mind...again, not referring to BYB's.


Yes, but people got rediculous with it and unfortunately many breed enthusiasts are p*ssed because of the recent outburst of the "doodles". I understand the want for a less allergetic dog (not many poeple are fans of poodles). People creating these new doodles saw the money involved in labradoodles and wanted to make money. The labradoodle could have became a recognized breed (years down the lines) but probably will take MUCH longer because people are not focused on one "doodle" and are wasting there time tryting to promote other doodles.

[summitview]

May I ask how many "Labradoodles" anyone has ever seen with therapy certifications? Or actively doing therapy work? Or actively being used as a guide dog? I've seen none first-hand, personally. I've heard from many other folks more heavily involved in therapy work that they have not seen them either. They're being bred and sold as pets for the most part. That's turned into the purpose of the breed, a nice pet.

[GSDlover_4ever]

And as for purebreds doing what they were bred for - I'm not a fan of people with working/herding breeds that simply show their breeding stock in conformation. I had racing Siberians for nine years, and my dogs DID do what they were bred to do.

I couldnt agree with you more.

[dr2little]

LOL@ dr2little. Maybe you should put your protective gear on just in case.. I don't want to see you get hurt :D LOL

:D All I could find was my son's cup. Not sure but I think I have it on backwards...is my butt supposed to hurt?

Anyway, snapped it on (ouch) and yes I agree. I think you're point is a good one. Labradoodles were bred as non-shed therapy dogs and while many do shed, the one's that don't (Sophie included) would be better suited than a lab for that purpose. I'd love to get into a room with all those on both sides, and an enormous bottle of valium. There's so much to say, too much to type, and way too much anger.
....ooohhh..:D my butt hurts....

[dr2little]

May I ask how many "Labradoodles" anyone has ever seen with therapy certifications? Or actively doing therapy work? Or actively being used as a guide dog? I've seen none first-hand, personally. I've heard from many other folks more heavily involved in therapy work that they have not seen them either. They're being bred and sold as pets for the most part. That's turned into the purpose of the breed, a nice pet.

Many Labradoodles are being donated by responsible breeders for just that purpose in Australia and here in Canada. As for breeding for the perfect pet (not the original intention for the Labradoodle)...what a great "purpose". The vast majority of dogs on this planet are just that, beloved pets. 4 of my 5 dogs are exactly that. Pugs would be happy to know they're valued too.:D
I read that your dogs were used to do what they were bred for but you do realize, especially with your experience that your dogs were in the minority.
While I agree, a border collie without a job may spell disaster, many dogs of most breeds are active, happy family members....no job required.:)

[dr2little]

And it begins *ding* , lol. :D

No bell required, I took my pills and I'm downing a 26 as I type!!:D

[dr2little]

Oops....looks like I'm all alone here. I changed my mind GSDLOVER, ring the bell quick...I think I won!! hehe:D

[summitview]

I understand that plenty of working breeds exist as nothing more than pets today. My point was that if someone is breeding a dog that has a job that its breed is supposed to do, I feel it is a disservice to the breed if the breeding dog is not proven in that field.

[SummerRiot]

IMO solely - I do find it a bit unnerving that the Labradoodle can be classed as a "breed", although I can accept it if someone wants a "lab like" dog with a non-shedding coat - for I know that Labs shed lots and lots! lol

BUT.. poodles on their own are a very intelligent breed - yes they may not posses the structure of a Lab that some people like.

I Do oppose all the other "oodle" breeds and find it horrible to see. People are just breeding poodles to other breeds to "see how it turns out" it seems lol

I'm sure one day in the future the Labradoodle will become an "actual breed" - but I really hope that only respectable breeders keep that up.

There are WAY too many mutts that wind up in the shelter because "they were cute as puppies". I used to volunteer at a Shelter for years and there were so many loveable dogs (mostly Lab crosses) that I used to take care of that were euthanized because they were there too long. Its very very sad.

So.. recap - I am for the Labradoodles - ONLY under respectable breeders
I'm 100% against any other "oodle" mix.

[GSDlover_4ever]

Oops....looks like I'm all alone here. I changed my mind GSDLOVER, ring the bell quick...I think I won!! hehe:D


LMAO!! :D

[Fran27]

I too have a hard time understanding why some people seem to think that all Labradoodles come from BYB's but that all breeders of pure breds breed to better their breed rather than for money. It's a selfish "business".
I mean lets do the math, labs, goldens (which I do like) have what...up to 10..sometimes more pups. How many are sold to family homes and how many are used to "better the line"...
There are terrific breeders out there but they are unfortunately hugely out numbered by the bad ones...hence breed specific rescues.
Like I said before, in my perfect world ALL BREEDERS would be regulated to the nuts.

I think you misunderstand what people say. Nobody ever said that all breeders of pure breds breed to better the breed. Frankly, I think that over 60% at least breed solely for money.

Not all labradoodle breeders are BYB's. Yes there are some that are just in it for the money, and yes there are some that just love the look/temperment of the dog.

Well honestly, at this point I'm not sure anymore. If those people who just love the look/temperament of the dog really only bred for those reasons, why are they still charging $2500 then?

[Roxy's CD]

Yeah, the only thing I don't really like about the whole issue is all the "doodles". It's not just labradoodles, there's boxer doodles, golden doodles.. I cant wait to see a doberdoodle or a gerdoodle.. LOL NOT!

I just think because the people who started this trend have made a name, labradoodles are very popular, now everyone's trying to come up with their own doodle breed. It's just gotten a bit out of hand in that sense.

[Roxy's CD]

I think you misunderstand what people say. Nobody ever said that all breeders of pure breds breed to better the breed. Frankly, I think that over 60% at least breed solely for money.



Well honestly, at this point I'm not sure anymore. If those people who just love the look/temperament of the dog really only bred for those reasons, why are they still charging $2500 then?


My friend got her golden doodle for I think $300. Shots, I'm not sure what type of certifications and what not... A few toys, a collar and leash. And a certificate for lessons at our local kennel club.

[dr2little]

IMO solely - I do find it a bit unnerving that the Labradoodle can be classed as a "breed", although I can accept it if someone wants a "lab like" dog with a non-shedding coat - for I know that Labs shed lots and lots! lol

BUT.. poodles on their own are a very intelligent breed - yes they may not posses the structure of a Lab that some people like.

I Do oppose all the other "oodle" breeds and find it horrible to see. People are just breeding poodles to other breeds to "see how it turns out" it seems lol

I'm sure one day in the future the Labradoodle will become an "actual breed" - but I really hope that only respectable breeders keep that up.

There are WAY too many mutts that wind up in the shelter because "they were cute as puppies". I used to volunteer at a Shelter for years and there were so many loveable dogs (mostly Lab crosses) that I used to take care of that were euthanized because they were there too long. Its very very sad.

So.. recap - I am for the Labradoodles - ONLY under respectable breeders
I'm 100% against any other "oodle" mix.

YES!!!:D :D :D

[GSDlover_4ever]

I cant wait to see a doberdoodle or a gerdoodle.. LOL NOT!

Oh, the Doberman has already came out. Its called a Doodleman pinscher. When will the madness end. :eek:

[dr2little]

I think you misunderstand what people say. Nobody ever said that all breeders of pure breds breed to better the breed. Frankly, I think that over 60% at least breed solely for money.

I'm referring to the people who are adamant on this forum, not necessarily you, that pure breed breeders were by virtue of their breed of choice, somehow more responsible.



Well honestly, at this point I'm not sure anymore. If those people who just love the look/temperament of the dog really only bred for those reasons, why are they still charging $2500 then?

Most are over charging. I agree, but $2500.00 is less the norm. $1000.00 is on average what's being charged for a Labradoodle. Not sure where the $2500.00 figure came from. I can't even find anyone charging that.:confused:

[Fran27]

Actually, all the australian labradoodle breeder websites I've seen charge over $2500.

[Bailey+Ralph]

Ok, not getting involved in this at all :D

All i do want to say to Dr2little is that i kept looking at your Avi and didn't know that sophie is a Labradoodle (didn't even know what they look like) but i think she is a cutie :)

[bubbatd]

Easy everybody !!! No name calling !!!!!

[dr2little]

Ok, not getting involved in this at all :D

All i do want to say to Dr2little is that i kept looking at your Avi and didn't know that sophie is a Labradoodle (didn't even know what they look like) but i think she is a cutie :)

Thanks:D She's the best!

[LabBreeder]

I didn't call anyone a name Grammy. I'm sick and tired of being the one to get jumped on AFTER I apologize/fix something that was said before and everyone else has moved on. I have every right to be angry about what iluvpitbulls said. :mad:

[Roxy's CD]

I know there's a lot of people on this forum that agree somewhat with the statement regarding people who breed purebreds being upset about the mix.

I totally understand where they are coming from. If you are breeding an animal like a lab for field work, and are committed to keeping the breed for their original purpose I can see how mixing them could upset someone. When you've worked hard to achieve "good lines".

I can't say that I really care personally though, owning mutts myself. But I do understand where those people are coming from.

[MyIrishWolfie]

Labradoodles kind of look like Irish Wolfounds gone wrong.. I mean the snout area with all the long whiskers and stuff. :p

[LabBreeder]

I've had mutts as well Roxy. I love every dog I've ever had and have now. It's like you said though, when you are trying to "breed for their original purpose" it's annoying (to say the least) when someone acts like you shouldn't care. If owned a Poodle I'd be just as upset. It's not a matter of "breed specifics", it's a matter of mixing purebreeds to make a profit. Not all labradoodle breeders are doing this, I know. But there are plenty out there that are and it's VERY upsetting.

[princess_poppy]

i didn't want to start a dibate, it's just i have seen labradoodles and they seem so inteligent and calm, this breeder says that she produced a dog which i have seen on tv and it seems really calm, i'm all against byb and i agree that most are in it for the money which is why i would never support this, but there are a few good breeders, i was just asking your opinion as nearly all of you here know alot more than me,

[MyIrishWolfie]

I saw a Labradoodle named "Jack" at Petsmart. He was big!! He was a grey black color.

[Doodley]

Labradoodles kind of look like Irish Wolfounds gone wrong.. I mean the snout area with all the long whiskers and stuff. :p

I'm not trying to drag more problems into the situation, so no offense...but that is not true. Do you have a labradoodle of your own? And as plenty of people have stated on these types of threads, not all labradoodles look alike because they are not a registered breed. I have a "labradoodle" who I regard only as a poodle/lab mix. It is rude for you to make assumptions on a dog's appearance if, 1. They all don't look the same, and 2. You don't even have a poodle/lab yourself. Just my two cents.

[LabBreeder]

well Doodley, IMO, IrishWolfie has a point. I've seen a couple of labradoodles that look like the white Wolfhound in her siggy. The only difference was a smaller body with shorter legs and a shorter snout with Labbish ears. Just because you don't own a doodle doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on one you've seen. They do look different alot of times cause they're not a breed, just a mix, but some do resemble other dogs (whether they are purebred or mixes).

[Doodley]

I agree that some do, but as they say...it's never "all". She can make an opinion, but it is the sarcastic tone I sensed in the message that got to me.

[dr2little]

Labradoodles kind of look like Irish Wolfounds gone wrong.. I mean the snout area with all the long whiskers and stuff. :p

Now why would you say that, here's where I think people forget that we (Labradoodle owners) love our dogs as much as anyone. Personally, Irish wolfhounds are one of my all time favorite breeds, and I agree that many 1st gen. Labradoodles look like them. I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate someone saying that your beautiful dog looks like "something gone wrong"...:mad:

Opinions are one thing, but what purpose does a statement like that hold.

[LabBreeder]

I'm pretty sure she meant it as a joke. Hence the :p at the end.
If you have a purebreed and it looks "off" then I'm sure you will hear people making comments...whether they are joking or serious. Then again, if you have a purebreed that looks "off" you already know and accept that fact. It doesn't make it any nicer, because you love your dog no matter what, but it would still be known by all (that know the breed) that you're dog isn't "up to standards".

I understand that you don't apprecaite comments like that, but they were not directed at you or your dog.

[Renee750il]

Doc, you're a bad influence, lol! Sophie is enough to turn even the most vehement doodle-deprecator into a silly, baby-talking, fawning Sophie-ist :D

[dr2little]

Doc, you're a bad influence, lol! Sophie is enough to turn even the most vehement doodle-deprecator into a silly, baby-talking, fawning Sophie-ist :D

Thanks Renee...You're awsome!:D Cheque's in the mail;)

[princess_poppy]

lol, think what you like about them, it wont stop sophie looking so cute, lol

[dr2little]

lol, think what you like about them, it wont stop sophie looking so cute, lol

Ding..Ding..That's 2 for Sophie:D Thanks princess_poppy!!