View Full Version : SchH People. Me again! LOL
JennSLK
06-08-2006, 01:49 PM
So Im looking at the DVG America site, what's the difference between DVG and SchH? Can a Dutch Shepherd compete in SchH? There are no DVG Clubs in Alberta but there are two GSD ScH clubs in Alberta, one fo wich is in my city and said they train all breeds, but can a Dutchie compete in SchH?
I swear the more I read the more confused I get.
Pretty much any dog can do Sch if they have the drive and temprament. The club I visited had a couple dogs that were not GSD's.
BTW I'm not a Sch person but I've done a lot of reading and have visited clubs. It's something that we may eventually pursue w/ Gunnar.
Dobiegurl
06-08-2006, 03:05 PM
Any dog can participate in shutzhund, with the correct training and drive.
JennSLK
06-08-2006, 04:20 PM
I know they can participate in it, but i'm worry'd about for titleing and such? A dutch shpehed is OK in that area because I was told it wasnt.
Dobiegurl
06-08-2006, 04:45 PM
I know they can participate in it, but i'm worry'd about for titleing and such? A dutch shpehed is OK in that area because I was told it wasnt.
If a dog participates and passes the "test" then they get the title for all three levels and an FH, regardless of breed.
doberkim
06-08-2006, 04:48 PM
I think you are asking the difference between USA and DVG. USA recently has passed the rules that only GSDs are allowed to compete at the national level, I believe. USA also offers breed suitability shows for the GSD, etc.
DVG is completely all-breeds, including mixes.
Before I go any further, the DVG has it all on their website:
http://www.dvgamerica.com/faq.html#A1
The doesn't prevent someone from titling a dog at the local level. A title is a title. National level is a different ballgame, and not many people are competing and winning at that level. Those are your more hardcore people in the sport, just like national level OB or agility is more hardcore people.
Jenn, you will be fine taking your Dutchie to Sch training. It will make him/her a better dog, and you'll have an outlet for it's energy and a great thing to do together, much like agility is with your Beagle.
PWCorgi
06-08-2006, 04:55 PM
USA recently has passed the rules that only GSDs are allowed to compete at the national level
Why would they do that?
Dobiegurl
06-08-2006, 04:58 PM
Why would they do that?
I know, thats stupid. Although Schutzhund was originally created as a breed evaluation for the GSD, many breeds have joined in and it is a great sport to participate in with your dog.
JennSLK
06-08-2006, 05:55 PM
So maybe I want to compete at the national level or try to anyways. What orginisation should I choose then? I may not make it, but then again I may make it. Emma is training for nationals 2008 and I plan on making it there.
doberkim
06-08-2006, 06:08 PM
you dont have to choose an organization. but if you are competing with a dutchie at the national level, you can only show in DVG. locally you can show in any club you want to, as long as you have a scorebook/number for the org (DVG, UDC, USA, AWDF).
JennSLK
06-08-2006, 06:13 PM
Thanx Kim but Ick! The closest DVG club is in Ontario or maybe closer if I drive down the the US every time I want to trian.
doberkim
06-08-2006, 09:44 PM
yeah but it will be YEARS before you even get to the national level. YEARS , if the dog is even capable of it. i would say 90=% of dogs are never going to be podium dogs.
It will definitely not be your 1st dog if you train it yourself, there is way more to learn as a handler than there is to teach the dog. All the experience is what gets you there- many dogs, many years. Most national level people have done a lot of dogs over many years. The club I visit has a guy who has a Sch3 dog, but it's no where near national caliber, and he's an experienced handler. He's amazing to watch, but the fine points of each exercise are what makes the difference.
doberkim
06-08-2006, 10:55 PM
yup. years and years.
JennSLK
06-08-2006, 10:58 PM
yeah but it will be YEARS before you even get to the national level. YEARS , if the dog is even capable of it. i would say 90=% of dogs are never going to be podium dogs
Oh I know.
I just want the oportunity to be there just in case in 5yrs he capible.
Dobiegurl
06-08-2006, 11:15 PM
yup. years and years.
And YEARS!!! :D
whatszmatter
06-09-2006, 10:22 AM
you can train at any level, with any club affiliation. You can show, he/she will be listed as a mixed breed. I"m glad you have the aspirations of going to nationals, you can join the DVG and get your score book when you're ready for national events. you don't have to be a member of a local DVG club ( I don't think).
I didn't belong to any club for 2 years and still trained every week with a club. It doesn't hurt to think ahead, but 1st time trainer with 1st dog, nationals is so far off, you'd be better off concentrating your efforts somewhere else. Even if you and your dog have what it takes, you have to have the helpers that can bring it out of your dog, and they're as hard to find as national level dogs are. Nationals are a whole new ball game.