Dog attack (GRAPHIC)

[rottiegirl]

This is a video that I found by browsing the net. It’s not on the best site in the world, but I just wanted to share the video.

It’s a big eye opener on how not to act if you get attacked. The persons being attacked wouldn’t quit running, and that is what fueled the dog to chase and bite even more. The dogs looked like they might have been playing rough, but he is actually biting.

It looks like the owner is the female. It is horrible that she can’t even control her own dogs. It shows that some owners have the intelligence of a rock. I bet that both of those dogs dont have ANY proper training.

It doesnt say why the dogs attacked, but there is always a reason. They could have felt threatened. They may have thought that they needed to protect their master. We just dont know what happened, and we will probably never know...

One of the dogs had to be shot by police. Its sad because I can guarantee you that if that dog had a more responsible owner, he would still be alive today, and nobody would be hurt. :(

Never blame the dog... blame the irresponsible owner. By the way... I know the dogs MIGHT be pits, but ANY dog can attack!

You should be at least 18 years old before viewing. Its not that graphic, but it is really sad, and it does show the dog injured by a gun.
The video... http://www.wimp.com/pitbull/

[cowgurl6254]

Wow, that is so sad. You are right though...that lady had no control of her dogs whatsoever. If she had taken the time to properly socialize and train them, that never would have happened. Just one more scenerio to give pits a bad name :(

[pitbulliest]

I heard alot about this video....I also heard that its FAKE..I heard that the dog was actually playing to a certain extent and that voiceovers were put into the video of a dog growling and a kid crying in the background or something like that (I don't know because I don't have my speakers on)...

Anyways, it looks fishy to me anyways..if a pit bull wanted to attack and hurt that kid, it would have been done within the first couple of seconds...

This video is just weird in every sense of the manner..I don't have any other comments on it...just............weird.

[JennSLK]

Yeah, I was thinking to same thing.

If that pit, or any pit, really wanted to hurt you it would.

[SummerRiot]

I also heard that its FAKE..I heard that the dog was actually playing to a certain extent and that voiceovers were put into the video of a dog growling and a kid crying in the background or something like that

it actually looked like that dog was trying to PLAY with the kid.. NOT hurt it. He looks like hes having fun running around with the kid.

You'd think the owner would be trying to grab the DOG instead of the child as well?!

[tessa_s212]

it actually looked like that dog was trying to PLAY with the kid.. NOT hurt it. He looks like hes having fun running around with the kid.

You'd think the owner would be trying to grab the DOG instead of the child as well?!

I saw that too..tail wagging...

[IlUvMyAnImAlZ05]

Probably just being playful..

[Dizzy]

What a rubbish video.

Looks like propaganda to me.

And why on EARTH would that "helpless 7 year old" be stood there alone after someone had just WATCHED this supposed "vicious animal" chase a teenager?

I think it is fake.

[Red_ACD_for_me]

I saw this on "when animals attack" TV show a long time ago. CRAZY DOGS, but even more STUPID owner :rolleyes:

[DemitriousK]

Personally I havent viewed the video, but, It's always stuck me that the people involved are always the problem.

From the drscription the video has to be a fake. If the dog had wanted to disable a child (esp) the chile would be disabled. Second if the dog was fearful the dog would not chase the child, and third if the dog was being truly aggressive It would be likely that once the jaws clamped they wouldnt have let go.

I've always viewed bringing children around dogs (esp large groups of dogs) is *dangerous* when unsupervised. When a child runs off screaming/squeeling the dog thinks "hey what a great game" or "hey what a cool new squeek toy" and the dog will run and frolic. An inexperienced child/parent/owner will take this as an aggressive action that thats when the situation becomes dangerous.

If the child freaks the dog will know it. Often times it's a fine line between a playful situation and an uneasy situation, and it only takes *one* participant to cross that line. Once an unstable dog realizes that it's gone from play to uneasy then they may become defensive, or aggressive...

I ether way The proper thing for the owner to do is to grab his or her dog. The proper thing for a parent to do is to stop the child from running, calm the child down, and seperate the child from the dog.

Once the situation is diffused, then reintroduce the two in a controlled manner so that the child doesnt grow up with a fear of good animals, and the animal doesnt grow up with a fear of children...

Regardless any adult sitting there with a video camera and filming during an incident where a young child is getting worked up around a dog, should be spayed/neutered, and have their children and dog taken away for being a cruel thoughtless b******d of a parent/owner.

Thats just my $0.02

[tessa_s212]

Personally I havent viewed the video, but, It's always stuck me that the people involved are always the problem.

From the drscription the video has to be a fake. If the dog had wanted to disable a child (esp) the chile would be disabled. Second if the dog was fearful the dog would not chase the child, and third if the dog was being truly aggressive It would be likely that once the jaws clamped they wouldnt have let go.

I've always viewed bringing children around dogs (esp large groups of dogs) is *dangerous* when unsupervised. When a child runs off screaming/squeeling the dog thinks "hey what a great game" or "hey what a cool new squeek toy" and the dog will run and frolic. An inexperienced child/parent/owner will take this as an aggressive action that thats when the situation becomes dangerous.

If the child freaks the dog will know it. Often times it's a fine line between a playful situation and an uneasy situation, and it only takes *one* participant to cross that line. Once an unstable dog realizes that it's gone from play to uneasy then they may become defensive, or aggressive...

I ether way The proper thing for the owner to do is to grab his or her dog. The proper thing for a parent to do is to stop the child from running, calm the child down, and seperate the child from the dog.

Once the situation is diffused, then reintroduce the two in a controlled manner so that the child doesnt grow up with a fear of good animals, and the animal doesnt grow up with a fear of children...

Regardless any adult sitting there with a video camera and filming during an incident where a young child is getting worked up around a dog, should be spayed/neutered, and have their children and dog taken away for being a cruel thoughtless b******d of a parent/owner.

Thats just my $0.02

Couldn't have said it better myself. :D Buddy'sParents, I LIKE your husband! Lol

[Renee750il]

The really obscene thing is that anyone would make a video like that . . . Violence is the REAL pornography.

[MyIrishWolfie]

Something's wrong with that video. It seems like if it was a real attack that the owner would be chasing after her dog or in the middle of it somewhere but she's not.. she's off to the side watching. I wonder why the boy ran to the owner?

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

It sure looks fake to me...

[Amstaffer]

Something is fishy for sure, the growling is crystal clear but all the other sounds are fuzzy. Had the dog wanted to really attack it would have grab hold and took the kid down.

As to the tail wagging.....that however does not mean they are playing. I have seen videos where pits are fighting and they ofter wag their tail before, during and after the fight. It shows excitement not playfulness.

[DemitriousK]

Another huge red flag is the narrators apparent need to mask their voice. It's quite apparent that they specifically altered their voice. Iether for anonymnity or for effect. Anonymnity rings of a fake, and effect rings of a production.

Also note that in the video you *see* very little. You see the dogs head very close to the childs foot. You dont see a shot fired. You see a flash of light and then the dog laying near a car.

This is not a "tonight at 10pm" special report. This is some (probably kid) not knowing that his actions in this respect actually affect the lives of living beings and their owners. Only this time crying wolf will end the lives of thousands and thousands of dogs who've done nothing wrong.

I remember reading in the Incarnations of Immortality by Piers Anthony that when all the magical creatures of the world were being hunted to extermination the extraordinary pretended to be the mundane until such time it was safe again.

The point is that I wonder how many Pit (Mix) owners will be telling people that their dog is something completely different for the next 50 years until the raign of pit persecution ends? I wonder when the Dog lovers will start their own underground railroad to help pits escape the ovens and mass graves of recent local laws sprouting all over the place

[Buddy'sParents]

Couldn't have said it better myself. :D Buddy'sParents, I LIKE your husband! Lol


:D Thanks! I kinda like him too! :p ;)

[casablanca1]

Toward the end of the video, the dog pulls the boy down and drags at his leg. That's not a part of any game. I very much disagree that the dog is blameless, that 'we don't know what happened' before the taping began, or that it's a tragedy that the dog was shot. Dogs bear some responsibility for their actions; if they were simply innocents in a state of nature, we wouldn't be able to live with them and train them and live in partnership with them as we so often do. Whatever happened before the tape began, the tape shows the dog pursuing the boy relentlessly, despite having ample opportunity to leave, run off, etc. That's not a dog backed into a corner and prodded to bite. Finally, a dog that pursues and pulls down a human outside of any acceptable context - police dog, etc. - is a real threat, and there is no reason to keep it alive.

One last thing - the tail wagging doesn't mean the dog was just playing. Some dogs adore being aggressive or vicious, and will wag merrily as they attack. Other dogs (terriers spring to mind) are simply energized by confrontations, and will look very friendly - alert, head up, tail wagging, ears pricked - as they approach a potential foe.

[DemitriousK]

The fact of the matter is that you really dont SEE anything other than the kid being chased, and (seperately) the kid falling down. It didnt look to me like the dog was even pulling on the boy... I didnt see the head thrashing or body jerking normally associated with trying to pull on something that doesnt want to budge. All you really see is the dog running after the kid, the dog with its head by the kids feet, and the dog by the wheel of the car. The "narrator" really fills in the rest and lets you think you saw what you heard. Which you didnt. You didnt even hear the narrators voice... It's being disguised.

[casablanca1]

I watched it without audio - I don't know what was said or what the sounds were, and so that didn't influence me one way or the other. What I saw was the dog pull the kid to the ground, and shake him by the leg. There is of course the chance that the kid simply trippped at the exact moment that the video shows the dog's head very close to his leg - the video isn't exactly crystal clear - but I think that the subsquent action of the dog very clearly grabbing the boy's leg and dragging at him makes it very likely that the dog itself was the source of the fall.

[whatszmatter]

That was not a dog attack. I've seen many dogs attacking with all sorts of intentions and this was not an attacking dog. Grabbing and tugging on a pant leg doesn't constitute an attack and is most certainly a game to lots and lots of dogs, especailly untrained ones. The close up shot of the "bite" to the head was nothing more than being mouthy and playful and being instigated in play by everyone overeacting.

[PinkSheep24]

i dont think that looks like a proper attack either. i also have no sound but still.

[Renee750il]

Another huge red flag is the narrators apparent need to mask their voice. It's quite apparent that they specifically altered their voice. Iether for anonymnity or for effect. Anonymnity rings of a fake, and effect rings of a production.

Also note that in the video you *see* very little. You see the dogs head very close to the childs foot. You dont see a shot fired. You see a flash of light and then the dog laying near a car.

This is not a "tonight at 10pm" special report. This is some (probably kid) not knowing that his actions in this respect actually affect the lives of living beings and their owners. Only this time crying wolf will end the lives of thousands and thousands of dogs who've done nothing wrong.

I remember reading in the Incarnations of Immortality by Piers Anthony that when all the magical creatures of the world were being hunted to extermination the extraordinary pretended to be the mundane until such time it was safe again.

The point is that I wonder how many Pit (Mix) owners will be telling people that their dog is something completely different for the next 50 years until the raign of pit persecution ends? I wonder when the Dog lovers will start their own underground railroad to help pits escape the ovens and mass graves of recent local laws sprouting all over the place

Buddy's, you can add me to your hubbie's fan club!

And Demetrious, thought you'd like to know, there really ARE underground dog railroads :)

[Amstaffer]

some dogs adore being aggressive or vicious, and will wag merrily as they attack.

I think you are putting some human emotions in there. The tail wagging in a dog doesn't have anything to do with "merriment" it is excitement or nervousness. A dog will wag its tail for a whole host of reasons. I have seen dogs wag their tails while being submissive and scared.

Pit Bulls also will throw their tail back and forth for balance like you and I will waive our arms up and down while walking a plank.

[Dobiegurl]

That dog was in prey drive. Running around, chasing the boy (biggest mistake when being "attacked" by a dog, running away), tail wagging. And if you notice the dog never grabbed the boy, but the boy's pant leg. Many people mistake play and prey drive as agression. My GSD puppy grabs my pant leg all the time and I can drag him around the house, but does that make him agressive? No.

[casablanca1]

I think you are putting some human emotions in there. The tail wagging in a dog doesn't have anything to do with "merriment" it is excitement or nervousness. A dog will wag its tail for a whole host of reasons. I have seen dogs wag their tails while being submissive and scared.


So dogs can't be merry? Or dogs can't be merry about being aggressive? I didn't say there weren't multiple reasons for a dog to move its tail, I just said that one reason is that the dog enjoys aggression and wags its tail because it's having a good time being aggressive. I disagree that merriment, viciousness and the off-putting combination of the two are singularly human emotions.

Pit Bulls also will throw their tail back and forth for balance like you and I will waive our arms up and down while walking a plank.

But we don't wave our arms wildly unless we're about to fall. A gentle motion that attempts to maintain a steady balance is pretty obviously not the same as the vigorous sweeping motion that we call 'wagging.'

[Amstaffer]

So dogs can't be merry? Or dogs can't be merry about being aggressive?

I don't think dogs are "merry" during an attack, I think they are excited but I don't believe it a form of enjoyment. IMHO. Sadistic behavior is mostly a human trait, I sure hope dogs have not gotten that from us.


But we don't wave our arms wildly unless we're about to fall. A gentle motion that attempts to maintain a steady balance is pretty obviously not the same as the vigorous sweeping motion that we call 'wagging.'

When a dog is running and diving back and forth the throw their tail back and forth to maintain balance and enhance direction change. There are good reasons why Dog Fighters never dock the tail of their dogs. I have spoken to people who fight dogs (I used to be a correctional officer) trust me on this one.

[rottiegirl]

I think the video is real. Probably because I have seen similar videos where someone was attacked.

It doesnt show the dog being shot because it was edited out. That video was put on a tv show, and they cant show a dog being shot.

The dog bit the boys leg, because that was the closest thing he could get to. Looked like the dog was trying to rip the boys leg off.

[DemitriousK]

At this point it's all a matter of perception and biases. Lets look at this in a different light. Regardless of whether the video is a fake or not, when this kind of thing happens (I'm not making a statement on the frequency at which these things happen I just know that they *have* at some point and *will* again at some point. I'm also not making a statement on the breed and their genetic predisposition (or lack thereof) to be a participant in such an event) where does the blame lie?

My point of view (remember, perception is always shaded by point of view, and bias (which is just the sum of past personal experiences)) is that the sum total of the dogs aggression plus the dogs opportunity plus the lack of apparent control of the situation is entirely on the owner and not the dog.

Lets face it we all, as owners, have to iether shape out pets behavior into something suitable for integration into our world or limit the amount of the world that the dog is exposed to.

The (extenuating circumstances aside) bottom line is that a dog will only ever be a dog. But an owner can be many things, negligent/careless/cruel included. We're sitting around arguing the merrits of the reality of the video as if it needed proof positive one way or another. Which it doesnt. It is what it is.

What really needs addressing is the ignorance of the portion of the general populace who've never raised a dog. They attribute, when seeing something like this (fake or not) the status of visciousness or cruelty to the dog, when they should be attributed to the owner.

Look at it this way... imagine in your mind all of the different types of people who can be drug junkies. Now, again in your mind, pick out the type of person most likely to commit crimes because of their addiction. Imagine that type of junkie, every one of them, caught and removed from society. Does the drug related crim go down? Probably, but not for long as other groups move in to fill the void left by the recently removed group. In another scenario picture removing the drug from the scene altogether. What happens to the drug related crime now?

The dog is the junkie... the owner is the drug (and real root of the problem)

[casablanca1]

I don't think dogs are "merry" during an attack, I think they are excited but I don't believe it a form of enjoyment. IMHO. Sadistic behavior is mostly a human trait, I sure hope dogs have not gotten that from us.

So when they go beserk when we come home, are they just excited and not happy? Basically, do you believe they can be happy, and if they can, why can't that be related to a negative behavior like killing? I'm not saying that dogs are guilty or sadistic in the same way a human would be. But isn't happiness part of what we're talking about when we say that drives or instinct leads a dog to behave in certain ways - to attack other dogs, or to 'point' birds or to herd sheep? I often hear that humans are ultimately responsible for dog behaviors - that we created various breeds which are unusually good at various activities - running or tracking or killing, etc. Well, part of that enhanced physical and instinctual ability is the desire to put extra energy into that particular activity, and part of that desire is the enjoyment of that activity.

[Bailey+Ralph]

If i took away the sound and hadn't read all the other posts here is what i would think...........

When we go to the fields with Bailey and the children, that looked exactly the same as how Bailey plays with my boy.

However when Bailey is upset or scared (can't say aggresive b/c he has never been aggresive) his ears are back and tail between the legs.

Now the sound and Narration do make it look alot worse.

I thought it looked like a family playing with thier dog and then dubbing the clip to make it look like an attack.

Oh and where did that other dog disappear to?
If they were attacking, would one leave the other to attack alone?

Also it looked to me like the dog was pulling on the boys trouser leg (not his leg).

Just my opinion..............

But unless any one of us were there to witness this 1st hand we will really never know.

[Amstaffer]

So when they go beserk when we come home, are they just excited and not happy? ......Well, part of that enhanced physical and instinctual ability is the desire to put extra energy into that particular activity, and part of that desire is the enjoyment of that activity.

Greeting, I think that yes they are happy or relieved that the pack leader has returned. I have read a lot of stuff on K9 behavior and most of what I have found is that when you come home they are affirming their submission to you and they are relieved that the provider has returned. Much like young wolves respond when the pack members return.

IMHO, I think they preform their "Natural Duties" because of instinct and training. While they preform these duties it triggers excitement. Does a Lab enjoy fetching....I guess in a sense he dogs, does a pit bull enjoy killing a squirrel, I guess in a the most basic concept of "joy" (Excitement meets satisfaction). They are very excited but I don't think they enjoy it in the same way they enjoy a good belly rub.

[casablanca1]

Greeting, I think that yes they are happy or relieved that the pack leader has returned. I have read a lot of stuff on K9 behavior and most of what I have found is that when you come home they are affirming their submission to you and they are relieved that the provider has returned. Much like young wolves respond when the pack members return. IMHO, I think they preform their "Natural Duties" because of instinct and training. While they preform these duties it triggers excitement. Does a Lab enjoy fetching....I guess in a sense he dogs, does a pit bull enjoy killing a squirrel, I guess in a the most basic concept of "joy" (Excitement meets satisfaction). They are very excited but I don't think they enjoy it in the same way they enjoy a good belly rub.

I have never understood the appeal of the behaviorist's vision of the world. Observing that some of a dog's behavior around a certain event possibly due to relief at the return of a pack member or leader is one thing; extrapolating that this is the wholeness of the dog's experience, that the emotion we call joy in ourselves cannot exist in the dog, is an awful big leap for a purportedly unbiased branch of science. Alternatively, though, 'excitement meets satisfaction' is one way to describe joy, so maybe we agree despite ourselves.

[Amstaffer]

'excitement meets satisfaction' is one way to describe joy, so maybe we agree despite ourselves.

:) I think we agree more than either one of us wants to admit ;)

[Roxy's CD]

For the video: I have seen dogs attack, and it doesn't look like that. I have seen dogs PLAY too aggressively because of lack of training/assertivness and it looks very similar to that. Chasing excitedly, perhaps even knocking down (My parents bull mastiff has done this to my 5 year old nephew) and maybe even pulling on clothing. (AFV had a video of a poodle ripping a young boys pants off, it was funny when it was a poodle and totally acceptable).

The other thing is that, if my dogs ever attacked a young child I would boot my dog, in the head, in the ribs or any dog for that matter. Not grab the kid and run around like an idiot.

Ok, so who was taping this? They just happened to be at the right spot at the right time? It's happened before but they didn't help? How did the cop show up so quick? Was he even a cop? That's debatable....

Without the sound it barely looks scary to me. As someone mentioned there were 2 dogs at the beginning of the video, where was the other one? Typically if dogs attack they attack together, my analogy: 1 little boy is cute and sweet and polite, get 5 or 6 of them and they'll get into trouble...

I just closely watched it again, the kid isn't limping after... if a pitbull grabbed you and BIT you, a normal adult would be limping....JMO, and the other thing is after the first kid jumps the fence, they show a short clip of the dog, the owner is about 10 feet away, the dog looks placid and calm, why didn't the owner grab the dog??? BECAUSE IT"S A FAKE!!!! :)

[Roxy's CD]

casablanca1 I don't think aggressive dogs enjoy being agressive, I believe they can feel happiness or joy, but when it comes to being violent/aggressive it's usually instinct or something innate. Ex) If a dog growls/attacks because it feels threatened by someone who is yelling/violently waving arms/threatening their owner. Just like people, Ex) If a someone is breaking into your home, and you grab a pipe and hit them in the head because your home/family is threatened, do you enjoy it? Or were you just acting on basic instinct? To protect yourself/loved ones/property?

[casablanca1]

Well, yes, but that's not the only times dogs (or humans) act aggressively. When I say some dogs enjoy aggression, I'm not talking about a dog who attacks from defensiveness or fear or within an acceptable limit like a guard dog biting a leg as it comes over the windowsill at midnight. I mean dogs who chose to attack despite having a very clear opportunity to simply avoid the situation. The classic example, in my mind, is the dog who sees another dog or a human a block away and charges them; sometimes the victim doesn't even see the dog until it's on top of them, sometimes the victim (if another dog) had barked in that direction. In either case, the attacking dog has no reasonable, sane justification for a violent attack, and yet launches one. It's a bizarre behavior - expends energy uselessly and puts the attacker in danger of being injured - so I'm thinking that either the dog has a biochemical screw loose, or is a physically normal dog whose loose screw is psychological - it enjoys aggression so much, the pleasure of attacking overrides the normal imperative to be cautious.

[whatszmatter]

it enjoys aggression so much, the pleasure of attacking overrides the normal imperative to be cautious.
While that may be true in some cases, I can say that this dog does not suffer from that deranged lust for violent aggression. There is no attack in this video and for it to be passed off as one is almost comical.