ACK! I can not believe it!

[Buddy'sParents]

This ad is from a Central Valley online "Yard Sale" group:

FOR SALE:

FULL CHIHUAHUA PUPPIES ~ 2 Female & 1 Male
CHIHUAHUA MIX PUPPIES ~ 2 Female 2 Males

Both sets of puppies were sired by the same male ~ He Is Full
Chihuahua.

The Full Chihuahuas: Mother is Chihuahua
The Chihuahua mixes: Mother is a Small Terrier Mix.

Puppies are family raised and loved. They are not from a puppy mill
and they have not been neglected, mistreated or abused. Parents have
always been fed Pedigree dog food as recommended by their Vet. No
table scraps as it is unhealthy for the dogs. Mothers have been well
cared for before and during their pregnancy. These dogs (and
puppies) are inside dogs. The dogs go outside for fresh air,
exercise and for "bathroom" purposes however, they spend most of
their time inside the home as part of the family.

Rest assured these are healthy, happy, puppies.

Asking Prices vary. I believe the prices are from $150.00 -
$350.00. I could be wrong. If you are interested send me an email
and I will find out exact information. You can also email me if you
want pictures. I am hoping to put up some pictures tonight.

Puppies will be ready to go to new homes the last week of May.

Thank you for your time!

CeCe

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.



I was so astounded that they even allowed that post!

[jess2416]

OMG...:mad:what a ______ _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ _______ (you can fill in the the blanks)

[Buddy'sParents]

I know! I could not believe it! I was, I think it's safe to say, outraged.

[tessa_s212]

Poor babies... :(

STUPID people...

[Buddy'sParents]

i sent an email to the admins of that group and am now doing the same for the breeder.. anyone care to put their 2 cents in? but in an educational, not bashing way?

[PoodleMommy]

At least they have been fed top quality Pedigree food!:(

[BudgetsDad]

I'm sorry... but I'm not catching what is wrong with that ad. :confused:

[LabBreeder]

neither am i. it seems like the woman is just having a yard sale and is also selling her puppies...albeit some are mixed breed, but you still have vet and food costs to consider. she is giving good information and is saying she's taken care of the dogs. what's the problem?

[~Tucker&Me~]

First of all, the fact that one litter is mixed breeds.

Secondly, 2 litters at once? Sound ssuspicious...

Thirdly, they don't mention health testing or showing.

~Tucker

[Julie]

Go take a look at all the pups in the shelters.......

Then ask again.....What is wrong with people breeding mutts and purebred byb pups.

And then selling them at a yard sale..........

I bet most of them end up shelter dogs and/or destroyed.

Why do it?

:rolleyes:

[BudgetsDad]

First of all, the fact that one litter is mixed breeds.

Secondly, 2 litters at once? Sound ssuspicious...

Thirdly, they don't mention health testing or showing.

~Tucker

I just think there are lot assumptions being made here. I'm now sure how we've come to convict this person of being an unethical breeder.

[~Tucker&Me~]

Health testing and showing isn't known, but the other two are. ANYONE breeding mix-breeds purposely (my opinion) is a MASSIVE red flag.

~Tucker

[BudgetsDad]

Health testing and showing isn't known, but the other two are. ANYONE breeding mix-breeds purposely (my opinion) is a MASSIVE red flag.

~Tucker

Can't say that I share your opinion.

[PoodleMommy]

The "brreders" way of telling potential customers the dog is healthy is that the puppies have been fed pedigree food and never table scraps as they are "bad for the dogs". Give me a break! I want to know what health testing or screening has been done on the parents, etc. before I buy a dog.

I dont care whether or not you fed it a piece of steak or chicken off your plate.
Also, if she is so proud of the high quality food she is feeding her dogs, she surely doesnt know much about pets.

Elissa

[Buddy'sParents]

Intentionally breeding MIX dogs is NOT a good sign. Full breds are one story but selling mixes after intentionally breeding them is another. It's a horrible thing. Health tests? What's the purpose of these "mix" dogs? They're breeding for money, not for furthering a breed.

[~Tucker&Me~]

Ditto Buddy'sParents.

~Tucker

[joce]

I love the vet reccomended pedigree:D

[Allykat]

neither am i. it seems like the woman is just having a yard sale and is also selling her puppies...albeit some are mixed breed, but you still have vet and food costs to consider. she is giving good information and is saying she's taken care of the dogs. what's the problem?

Coming from the guy who plans on breeding his puppy when he is 7 months old.

[Debi]

$150. for an accidental (I'll give her the benefit of the doubt) litter. wow. I don't believe she has that much in vet bills to cover. if she wants the puppies homed, she should be thrilled anyone responsible would take them. nothing wrong with the 'yard sale' method of placement?? doesn't sound all that caring to me. as for the 'pure' chis...we all know 2 dogs don't make a sound litter, no matter how full bred she wants to claim they are. what's wrong with a 'yard sale' approach........nothing for a person out to make a buck from puppies. I believe we call them BYBs, and any person foolish enough to purchase from her deserves the possible ill puppy they will receive. as usual, I feel endlessly sorry for the puppies. I love when people mention a food as a vet endorsement.....I'm not buying it. 'she has expenses to cover'? she shouldn't have puppies to begin with.

[Renee750il]

Makes me very glad that I believe in Kharma . . .

[Fran27]

My issue is the 'rest assured, they are healthy' thing. For how long? :rolleyes:

[Sheka]

Well, its pretty bad. But not the worst ive seen. Atleast, if nothing else, she seems to love the dogs. Shes probably just not very educated about breeding instead of Beating her with harsh words some1 should email her and NICELY, i repeat NICELY educate her on proper breeding, dogs in shelters ect.. . She couldve done what most do, which is go to her nearest supermarket and give the pupppies out, but instead she posted on a site hoping to find them homes, what else is she supposed to do? atleast shes trying. She doesnt seem like some horrible puppy miller crazy woman, the litters where probably a mistake maybe she has 2 female chi's and one found the chi next door and the other went for the terrier across the street. We cant just jump to conclusions, not evreyone is the perfect dog owner, so I think some of us need to step off our best-dog-owner-in-the-world thrown, and maybe try to be a little nicer and dont just accuse. maybe she is a crazy dog hater who wants to make some cash, but what im trying to say is MAYBE SHE ISNT!

[Buddy'sParents]

I emailed the woman and this is her response:

While you MAY OR MAY NOT BELIEVE I love my animals, frankly, that is of no concern to me. I am only concerned about what God knows and God knows the truth.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, however, I did not solicit your opinion. I only offered puppies for sale. It is easy to sit back and judge one when one does not know the nature of another ones actions. The dogs were not intentionally bred. And we do not believe in killing animals, even animals in utero People also purchase small Chihuahua mixes to breed with chihuahuas in order to "breed out" the mix and breed back to just Chihuahua. Others buy the chihuahuas and have them spayed or neutered. We do not "give away" the puppies as we want to make sure someone cares enough to put in the money, the time, the love, and the care that comes with owning a puppy. We do question the buyers.

Your email sounds a wee bit pious. I too own a mixed breed that was rescued. I adopted her (and PAID all fees) from the SPCA 7 years ago and she is still my baby girl. I chose her because she looked as if she had given up on ever receiving love. The other dogs were happy, jumping around and cute. She was dirty, matted, scared, and wouldn't come when she was called. She needed a lot of extra love, patience and attention. And of course it cost me more at the vet since she need extra care and attention and grooming. She is an absolute angel and has been a sweetheart to me since the day I adopted her.

We also own 4 chihuahua that were also rescued. The full mother Chihuahua in my ad is one that we rescued from a family that had to "get rid" of her ASAP. So we took her in. We tried to find her a GOOD home but we couldn't, so we kept her rather than "get rid of her." We were told she was too old to have puppies. She completely fooled us.

The terrier mix was kept away from the male. My son accidentally let the female outside when the male was outside (my husband had taken me to my Doctor appts.). It only took the one time. Again, we do not believe in killing animals.

About 6 years ago I adopted a Chihuahua from Simi Valley Chihuahua Volunteer Rescue. I came across their site on the Internet. The Chihuahua had been so severely abused that no one wanted to adopt him. Fortunately the shelter was a no kill shelter. There was a women I emailed and spoke with on the phone several times who agreed to let me adopt the dog. Even though they don't adopt outside of their local area she made an exception because she knew I was the right person for this dog. He wouldn't let people get close to him, he was terrified of hands and feet, he barked and growled because he was so scared, and he shook and panted so badly I thought he was going to pass out! Before I drove to Simi Valley with my $100.00 adoption fee, I got a towel and put some of my perfume on it so the dog would get used to my scent and so I could pick him up without him seeing my hands. Yes, I thought about him that much that I knew I needed to find a way to pick him up and love him without him having to see my hands. Plus he never made eye contact with anyone. It was so heartbreaking to see him the first time. I just cried. I knew I was doing the right thing and I knew I was going to help this dog heal, on his terms. His only "friend" was another rescued Chihuahua" who was blind in one eye. I adopted him also. When I got home I loved and talked to that terrified dog so much that he made eye contact with me and from that moment on he knew he could trust me. He knew he was mine and he understood that I meant what I said about never hurting him. When I called the lady, she was amazed! We were both crying on the phone. The dog changed into a completely different loving dog. Today he is still my baby boy and I still talk baby talk to him. The dog with the blind eye is still the playful, lovable, friendly dog he has always been. He still seems like a puppy. And the Vet says as long as the eye doesn't bother him we will leave it alone.

Fairly recently, I paid $200.00 to rescue a very small Chihuahua female. I came across a breeder of Yokies who bought the Chihuahua from a family who was neglect ling the dog. The dog was emaciated. The only way she could get the dog was to pay $200.00. But she didn't want the Chihuahua, as she only bred Yokies. So I had to pay her $200.00 to rescue the dog. She is now safe with us, loved, well fed and cared for and sleeps with me, my husband and our other Chihuahuas.

My husband is a self taught artist. He sculpts Chihuahua figures and we sell them. All the proceeds go to Animal Rescue Shelter.

Please don't assume to know me. Obviously you don't. And please don't piously send emails such as the one you sent me, it is against CYS group rules and other members would not have been as kind with you.

Please don't be so quick to judge others. It is better not to judge at all and to leave the judging to God.

Here are some of my favorite scriptures:

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

And you might want to keep in mind, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Would you want someone to piously and unfairly judge you and accuse you of something when that person doesn't even know you? I HOPE THAT YOU RETHINK ANY FUTURE emails you intend on sending.




This is what I wrote her:

While I may believe that you love your animals and that they are raised in a loving home, you reflect that of a puppy mill breeder. Your full bred chi's are one story but your breeding of mixes is another. I hope that you re-think any future "mix" breedings. Please also make sure that you give those pups and the people adopting them the full truth regarding the pups and their health.
Good luck to you and those puppies. I sincerely hope that you have contracts regarding the care for and spaying/neutering of these puppies and that these dogs will never end up in animal rescues.

[Buddy'sParents]

The first two are of the pure and the next two are of the mix pups. I'm not sure how long the pics will last.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clovisyardsale/spnew/view/cfa3?i=513

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_13220785/cfa3/__tn_/f845.jpg?grPPkbEBKr0ZH5Sz

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_13220785/cfa3/__tn_/4c74.jpg?grPPkbEBZnaZYkbL

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_13220785/cfa3/__tn_/3779.jpg?grPPkbEBc.7W8Qe3

[Debi]

nobody said she was a 'crazy dog hater out to make money'. she is probably a super nice person. that doesn't condone breeding dogs for a buck, even if you love them. I'm not sitting on a throne...and never said I was a perfect dog owner. I just don't respect someone selling puppies for quick cash. most BYBs are very defensive about what they do...they usually believe they are doing a service in a loving, caring way. those pups may be treated wonderfully..........but it's still a BYB whether it sounds nice or not. and if you support BYBs then fine. most responsible dog owners and all responsible breeders don't.

[LabBreeder]

The mutt part I don't agree with...the byb part I don't agree with (assuming that's the situation)...the yard selling I don't necessarily agree with either (it could have been put into the wrong category though...we don't know for sure)
I don't see what's suspicious just because their were 2 litters by the same male. It is highly possible that both females came into heat and he got hold of both of them.
I think they could have advertised better. EX: up to date on shots, papers for purebreds, free for mixed breed. I do not like to think they ended up at a shelter...but we don't know. We can't always judge someone by what we read...whether it's in a paper or online. It could all be blown out of proportion. If it was an accident for the mix pups, as long as they geat good homes and are healthy isn't that what matters? If the purebreds were on purpose and taken care of, even byb, as long as they are in good health and a reasonable price (if registered and health checks are done) and they get a good home...isn't that what matters?
I know lots of animals are homeless or in shelters...but what if these puppies aren't? What if this was the only way she could advertise and couldn't afford another ad? What if her only thought was that these puppies go to a good home and that's why she did the ad and gave what information she could?

We just don't know all the facts and shouldn't judge based on something we read. That's all I'm saying.
The world is full of enough doubt and arguing as it is, do we really need to ad to it?

[LabBreeder]

Ok, as I was writing the first message others were posted. First of all, I can't believe someone actually came down on the lady that way. Especially since you don't know her or anything about her situation. She said the mixed breeding was an accident that neither her nor her husband knew about because they weren't home...how can you get onto her for that? If you want to blame someone, blame her son, he let the dog out!
I don't like mixed breeding anymore than the next sane dog lover, but give her a break. She didn't do it on purpose. She didn't even know when it happened, or that it had happened, until her son told her (if he told her).
I do not condone BYB's, puppymills or any other such "hobby breeder", however, this woman seems to be a bit of an exception. She was told the chi was to old to have pups so she didn't expect any...not really her fault. She didn't plan on the mixed pups either, it was an accident...not her fault. She's trying to get these puppies good homes. Not just some person that thinks a puppy is cute til it's older and THEN it becomes a shelter animal. It sounds as if she's helped many dogs...as long as it's true. She also doesnt' believe in killing animals because they are unwanted and I commend her for that. To many people are willing to abort or drown pups because they were unwanted.
Please, stop judging this woman without knowing her! It is for God to judge the actions of people, not us.

[Julie]

I know lots of animals are homeless or in shelters...but what if these puppies aren't?

I think some are missing the bigger picture. If these dogs would have been altered in the first place and never had any pups, that would leave those homes available to adopt the homeless pups in shelters. Of course we all need to get the word out, for anything like that to happen.

I mean for us to actually educate and promote shelter dogs, that routinely are altered before placement.


I don't see what's suspicious just because their were 2 litters by the same male. It is highly possible that both females came into heat and he got hold of both of them.
That just shows a total lack of responsibility. And gives major red flags about the breeder.

[LabBreeder]

First of all he's not going to be 7 months, jack ass! Get your facts straight!!

Secondly, read the post by the original guy that started all of this. He sent and received an email from her telling you exactly what happened. You all judge so harshly before finding out the facts. What goes around comes around.
She didn't mix breed on purpose. She didn't think the female chi could even have pups. She rescues dogs. What legitimate problem do you all have???

[Julie]

I do not condone BYB's, puppymills or any other such "hobby breeder", however, this woman seems to be a bit of an exception. She was told the chi was to old to have pups so she didn't expect any...not really her fault.

If a breeder is going to breed dogs maybe they should do a little research first.
A bitch does not go thru menopause like a human woman. They will go into heat until their dying days. Unless of course they are altered. A pregancy is possible even in the elderly.

So I would assume the person was not a good breeder if they didn't even know that.

[LabBreeder]

Just read the blasted message that she sent him and all of this will be cleared up!!! Keep up with posts and their won't be all of this stupid arguing.

[Julie]

First of all he's not going to be 7 months, jack ass! Get your facts straight!!

Exactly who are you referring to?

[LabBreeder]

sorry julie... i didn't even look at his name. i saw that he had made a snide remark about me and my labs and i don't appreciate it, especially when he gets his facts wrong!!

[Debi]

accidental mixed pups can be homed for free, charging a substantial fee is just wanting money. being told a pup is too old to breed, and you believe that without having proof via the healthcheck....and you wonder what people see as a problem here? so you just didn't realize a pregnancy could happen? so when it does, you charge a substantial fee........cause you are a caring and loving dog owner.....who happens to want to make a buck in the process. again, I'm not saying she is a bad person. she obviously doesn't know much about dogs, well then maybe she should take the time to learn. judging her harshly?? not really.....more like stating her as irresponsible. and why bring God into this discussion? 'not her fault'? well then whose fault is it? I get that some people feel like she is just being a good person out there plugging away where she can to home little puppies she couldn't help having. I see someone charging fees....ummmmm....you know......just like a BYB. I'm not ever going to think BYB is a good thing, so I'll just stop now. :)

[Debi]

First of all he's not going to be 7 months, jack ass! Get your facts straight!!

Secondly, read the post by the original guy that started all of this. He sent and received an email from her telling you exactly what happened. You all judge so harshly before finding out the facts. What goes around comes around.
She didn't mix breed on purpose. She didn't think the female chi could even have pups. She rescues dogs. What legitimate problem do you all have???


you are free to discuss our opinion, however that type of bashing is not going to be tolerated. if you find yourself getting too angry...step away.

[LabBreeder]

when ALLYKAT's opinion is right, then you can tell me that I need to step away because I'm to angry! I do not like being bashed myself. If she's got a problem she needs to at least get her facts straight before making comments about other people.
As for the lady in question...I stick by what I've said before...read the blasted posts and you'll see what happened. Quit judging and condemning others before you have the full story.

[Debi]

and this isn't arguing...this is discussing. arguing is when bashing begins...which it won't. no name calling...no evil remarks. discussion only. :)

[LabBreeder]

I tell you what. If you can get ALLYKAT to stop making false statements about what I may or may not be doing with MY dogs...then I will calm down. But it is still advisable for people entering the discussion to read through and find out what's been said and what's going on before jumping in and bashing this woman for no reason.

[Debi]

Allykat...you are also being asked to stick to discussion. making false statements to anger someone on purpose doesn't add anything....no need for anyone to be cranky. :) :) hey guys....be cool. :)

[corsomom]

I just wonder why she did not have her rescues fixed. People have so many exuses for these unwanted breedings.Why cant people be more responsible?

[LabBreeder]

i can only assume she didn't fix the female chi because she was under the assumption the dog was to old to have pups. as for the other one, we'll never know.

[Julie]

Really, this woman apparently has internet access.
There is a wealth of information to be had.
If she or anyone else is truely interested in their dogs and/or breeding, they could easily educate themselves.

And I will never accept ignorance as an excuse.

Which is what you are essentially doing, when you believe all the freakin' excuses people give.

[LabBreeder]

why do you feel the need to call her ignorant because you think she's giving excuses? If she had reason to believe the female chi would not become pregnant why does that make her ignorant? the other one i can not say anything about because i don't know. why not get in touch with her and clear it all up for us.

[Debi]

have a nice evening everyone...and play nice. no fighting....or I'll bring you here to be tortured in the endless rain with my bored dogs. lol we could go on and on, but seriously it's not worth getting upset with forum friends. :)

[Julie]

why do you feel the need to call her ignorant because you think she's giving excuses? If she had reason to believe the female chi would not become pregnant why does that make her ignorant? the other one i can not say anything about because i don't know. why not get in touch with her and clear it all up for us.


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That is why.

I could get in touch with her, but until she decides to want to learn......
It will always be one excuse after the other. But if you know, I mean really know dogs......the excuses are really laughable in a sad way.

[LabBreeder]

you don't need to try and demeen me by putting the definition for ignorant in your post.

[Julie]

you don't need to try and demeen me by putting the definition for ignorant in your post.

The reason of my post was not to demean you.
The reason for my post was to answer your question "Why".

[BudgetsDad]

I really can't believe how condescending some people are, and so quick to be judgmental about a situation of which they only have circumstantial knowledge. It kinda like being a religious fundamentalist. They think they know everything and never hesitate to tell people what they think and how others are wrong. But we all know what average people think of fundamentalists.

To the person who started the thread.... let me ask you this.... do you think your attitude did any good? Sounds like you just pissed off the lady and got absolutely nothing accomplished.

[LabBreeder]

*lol, i misspelled demean too*

anyways, i'm tired of arguing about this stuff. i still don't think she should be judged by any of us for anything...regardless of if we think it was an "ignorant excuse" or not. if she's done something wrong it will eventually come back to her.

[canadianmandy]

Ive been watching this thread. I wasnt going to say a word.... But as you all know my dog had mix breed pups. (not planned) (She had went into heat two months before she got pregnant. (It happened in a hard time in our lives. We had lived in Pa but a "Friend" in Mo was in need of money and we wanted to buy a new place. So we paid for the new land and for him to get a house up. He said everything was fine ., Well to make a long story short he scammed us out of our money. We sold our lovly house and moved. Only to be stuck on a diffrent piece of land in a dinky trailer. 12 ppl 2 dogs 2 babis in a 3 bedroom trailer. :( We lost it all (even the money made on our house b/c he needed it to to get the bank to release our land...He spent it all. And we were told by him are dogs couldnt be inside:eek: We kept them up on the porch till they were out of their heat in september. We had to find a place to live. Two months later in the same place earning money to get something. Me and my parents went to Va to try and find a place for our lil $$$ came back and my dog was pregnant. She hadnt gone into heat. She got pregnant the week before I left. HAd no clue till I came back and she had a month to go.
Well We wernt sure where we were going to move Va or Mo so I didnt advertize them. When they turned 6 weeks we finally purchessed our own land. In Mo . So I started to advertize. But I have a fear of handing them out free. So I have them for adoption with an adoption fee of $75. They have health certificated from the vet. Coming from my pocket. 17 no job cant get one Im canadian. (mom and dad are citizens) I have had many offers they are now 8 weeks and I have 4 going to good home. I turned down so many. But I know have to change my email address b/c I am being harrassed by critics that dont understand a thing. I get pictures in my inbox of dead animals . Rude letters . Animals being tortured you name it.Dont know these ppl from a hole in the wall... I just think ppl need not be so touchy. We are almost able to move. We are getting another small trailer on our land cuz it was in our budget.and Im so happy she will be back to sleeping at the foot of my bed.

If you want to pick on some one. The person who sold us our "land" has three females all but one are mix breeds.
ALL are pregnant and he is so proud of his blue weiners.:eek: (blue heeler crossed with a weiner dog) born last friday. Next month the other two will Whelp. One of the other two just had a litter last fall.

I was there and I told them there dog was in heat and this stray stickin around would breed the one (the one who had a litter last fall) Rotti/pyr/Lab/who knows... Dad is a hound and I said they were going to breed and they said o well. and the breeding took place. All they did was throw a rock at the male once it got tied. Which caused it to panick and try to run. Made me sick


Quick note females in the same house tend to go into heat at the same time or really close which would explain the two litters.

This is the second time I had been hurt by ppl who didnt know our circumstances. The first was when I moved here and we had to build a dog house. And I bought Love a jacket and asked on another forum if it would help keep her warm and I was told I was cruel for making them stay outside when they were indoor dogs. And I would be better off taking a .22 to my dogs head. (we snuck them in nights when It got really cold:p )

[LabBreeder]

some people can be very cruel and judgemental. i think you did what you had to do in your situation. i had to leave my lab at a friends house for almost 9 months and it broke my heart. i also know what it's like to be "up in the air" with moving. we had to move recently (end of april) because the last place decided that labs were to big....after we'd been there 6 months!!! into each life a little rain must fall...it seems like the sun is finally starting to shine on you and your family as it is on me and mine. i wish you the best and hope you always get to keep your baby dogs with you wherever you go. if you have to keep them outside just make sure they are warm in the winter, cool in the summer and always have access to water. let them run and play as much as possible and love them all the time.

i can't believe people would be so rude to you. if others here ARE rude to you either ignore them or tell a moderator. know that i will always talk to you and try not to judge you.
i live in missouri also...where r u?

[canadianmandy]

The nearest big city is Springfeild lol but thats like an hour an a half away :)

Mo is the weirdest state! In Pa nobody would ever dream of sitting outside your local walmart passing out puppies like candy :confused: Also Ticks are horrible here

[Tobysmom]

I can understand someone emailing that person about her ad. But what was posting the ad here supposed to accomplish? So everyone can say "thats terrible!" or "I'm disgusted" etc? It makes no sense.

I think its childish to do this, especially since you know the author of that ad isn't here and can't defend theirself.

[LabBreeder]

tobysmom - i agree, but apparently this will keep on until someone stops posting...lol. i just wish everyone could share opinions and helpful ideas without being judgemental.

mandy - in my opinion, missouri is about the stupidest state you will ever find. people drive horribly, hardly anyone has graduated from high school... some not even middle school, and it's so hard to find a good job around here. you have to be a complete moron before anyone wants to hire you. i'm not saying everyone in Mo is an idiot, but a whole lot of them sure are. i've only met 1 person out of approximately 10 that makes sense and knows what they are talking about. i'm from louisiana (not much better, but a coonass isn't necessarily a dumbass...lol) and my husband is from S.C. (born in GA). we were sucked into moving to Mo by accident. it's a long story for another time and place. lol

[Julie]

stupidest is not correct. And states can't be stupid or most stupid.
Only a person can be stupid.

[LabBreeder]

what is the deal here...i'm talking in generic terms ok? i know a "state" can't be stupid, but i can say it is if i want to. and i'll use the word stupidest because it fits this stupid state. LOL
come on, have some fun!

[canadianmandy]

lol Julie I almost joined you in WV lol ... The state is ok the ppl are nice... Yep it is hard to find jobs. tomatoes are so expensive! lol we are planting oodles of them >>>Way off topic *laughs* But I love my Vet. He helped me through a rough spot. (I had taken in a sick lamb( It could not walk it had a selenium deficiency) It was going to take a bullet. and I almost got it walking but because she lived in a small dirty box the first few weeks of her life her bones were brittle and she broke her back leg and I had to put her down) It was the first "livestock" ever put down in his office.
in memory of my baby Flicka ....
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c35/canadian_Mandy/MVC-808F.jpg

[LabBreeder]

awwwww...she's so cute and fluffy! i'm so sorry you had to put her down.
:(

alot is expensive here. i do like our vet though. he's only 3 minutes away (plus there are 2 of them where i live, just in case) and he's very good with my babies.

[BudgetsDad]

Ive been watching this thread. I wasnt going to say a word.... But as you all know my dog had mix breed pups. (not planned) (She had went into heat two months before she got pregnant. (It happened in a hard time in our lives. We had lived in Pa but a "Friend" in Mo was in need of money and we wanted to buy a new place. So we paid for the new land and for him to get a house up. He said everything was fine ., Well to make a long story short he scammed us out of our money. We sold our lovly house and moved. Only to be stuck on a diffrent piece of land in a dinky trailer. 12 ppl 2 dogs 2 babis in a 3 bedroom trailer. :( We lost it all (even the money made on our house b/c he needed it to to get the bank to release our land...He spent it all. And we were told by him are dogs couldnt be inside:eek: We kept them up on the porch till they were out of their heat in september. We had to find a place to live. Two months later in the same place earning money to get something. Me and my parents went to Va to try and find a place for our lil $$$ came back and my dog was pregnant. She hadnt gone into heat. She got pregnant the week before I left. HAd no clue till I came back and she had a month to go.
Well We wernt sure where we were going to move Va or Mo so I didnt advertize them. When they turned 6 weeks we finally purchessed our own land. In Mo . So I started to advertize. But I have a fear of handing them out free. So I have them for adoption with an adoption fee of $75. They have health certificated from the vet. Coming from my pocket. 17 no job cant get one Im canadian. (mom and dad are citizens) I have had many offers they are now 8 weeks and I have 4 going to good home. I turned down so many. But I know have to change my email address b/c I am being harrassed by critics that dont understand a thing. I get pictures in my inbox of dead animals . Rude letters . Animals being tortured you name it.Dont know these ppl from a hole in the wall... I just think ppl need not be so touchy. We are almost able to move. We are getting another small trailer on our land cuz it was in our budget.and Im so happy she will be back to sleeping at the foot of my bed.

If you want to pick on some one. The person who sold us our "land" has three females all but one are mix breeds.
ALL are pregnant and he is so proud of his blue weiners.:eek: (blue heeler crossed with a weiner dog) born last friday. Next month the other two will Whelp. One of the other two just had a litter last fall.

I was there and I told them there dog was in heat and this stray stickin around would breed the one (the one who had a litter last fall) Rotti/pyr/Lab/who knows... Dad is a hound and I said they were going to breed and they said o well. and the breeding took place. All they did was throw a rock at the male once it got tied. Which caused it to panick and try to run. Made me sick


Quick note females in the same house tend to go into heat at the same time or really close which would explain the two litters.

This is the second time I had been hurt by ppl who didnt know our circumstances. The first was when I moved here and we had to build a dog house. And I bought Love a jacket and asked on another forum if it would help keep her warm and I was told I was cruel for making them stay outside when they were indoor dogs. And I would be better off taking a .22 to my dogs head. (we snuck them in nights when It got really cold:p )

You know... very often it the "good-intention" who are the most hurtful and destructive. I'm sorry u had to go through all that.

[bubbatd]

whew !!! I don't even know where to start here !!! Guess the best is to state that most rescues and HSs spay or neuter before passing on .... why were her dogs intact ?

[Buddy'sParents]

WOW. Everyone needs to calm down!! If you are not mature enough to handle the content of a thread please do not participate in it! My goodness...

Let's get a few facts straight:

I am a FEMALE.

I have a rescued mutt.

I emailed the woman because I wanted to hear her story and see if she would be open to any "discussion." Her first email she was touchy and she was upset, we have since corresponded many times and I have referrred her to Chaz and other helpful websites. I also gave her some guidelines as far as a contract is concerned. That's what *I* accomplished by emailing her.

I posted here because I can. This is a FORUM. We discuss things. I posted because I knew I would get feedback from people who know better than I. If I want to talk about my dog, hey, I can, it's a dog forum! If I want to talk about a YARD SALE ad for mixed breeds then I will. End of that story.

[BudgetsDad]

WOW. Everyone needs to calm down!! If you are not mature enough to handle the content of a thread please do not participate in it! My goodness...

Let's get a few facts straight:

I am a FEMALE.

I have a rescued mutt.

I emailed the woman because I wanted to hear her story and see if she would be open to any "discussion." Her first email she was touchy and she was upset, we have since corresponded many times and I have referrred her to Chaz and other helpful websites. I also gave her some guidelines as far as a contract is concerned. That's what *I* accomplished by emailing her.

I posted here because I can. This is a FORUM. We discuss things. I posted because I knew I would get feedback from people who know better than I. If I want to talk about my dog, hey, I can, it's a dog forum! If I want to talk about a YARD SALE ad for mixed breeds then I will. End of that story.

If that is the case, then great. Obviously the woman is not a bad person. Which is my point exactly. You just can't judge from so little information. And frankly, you're reproducing the post here doesn't really accomplish much except perhaps for your ego.

[zoe08]

My main question is if she was not PLANNING to breed, why were her dogs still intact? And if she is responsible, the male will have already have been neutered by now and the females spayed as soon as they can be.

And just becuase a dog is old enough it SHOULDNT have puppies, does not mean that it CANT.

If you are having dogs you are PLANNING to breed, part of being a responsible breeder is keeping the dogs apart during heats until they are both old enough, tested and everything.

If you are not planning to breed, I dont believe it is very responsible to have a male and female dog without having at least one of them fixed. And I don't believe money should be an issue, because if you can't afford to get one of them fixed, how can you afford another dog? And especially how can you afford to have puppies?

[LabBreeder]

why don't you get her address from Buddy's Parents. he's been talking to the lady on and off for a day or so now. maybe you can talk to her and clear all of her business up for us.

[Debi]

I think we've pretty much finished with this discussion.

[Fran27]

She does seem like a good person from her emails. I can understand accidental breeding, even if I personally neuter my dogs, what bothers me is making money out of it and claiming that the dogs are healthy, which you can't know without further health testing.

[Renee750il]

I think we've pretty much finished with this discussion.

I think you're right, Debi . . .