View Full Version : Best marketing practice for breeders?
Fran27
05-07-2006, 08:19 AM
I actually don't mind when breeders use Internet to host their own website. I wouldn't call it a 'marketing' practice though, as good breeders don't do it for money but to introduce their dogs. Of course what I like best about it is that it's easy to see who is a good breeder and who isn't, but as from what I've seen a big majority of those sites are BYBs anyway, I would be careful of that practice too, at least if you don't have a minimum of information about what to avoid.
Edit: how in the world did my post end up the FIRST post of the thread?
Freddie
05-07-2006, 05:27 PM
Hi, I was just wondering for all the breeders out there. What are some ways you go about marketing your puppies for sale? I've seen some people sit out on the roads with big signs like (pitbull puppies $500 each) or something. I've seen classifieds on dog magazines and stuff too. Maybe over the internet. What seems to be the most effective way to sell them and how many do you typically sell in lets' say, a week? Does there seem to be alot of demand for puppies?
Sorry if anyone works for an adoption center and is offended by this post, I was just curious.
jess2416
05-07-2006, 05:28 PM
A responsible breeder shouldnt have to market theirself or their puppies...People would know them by name alone......
Julie
05-07-2006, 05:32 PM
Word of mouth..............
It should get there before the puppies do.
A good breeder will have puppies "promised" before they enter the world.
jess2416
05-07-2006, 05:34 PM
Word of mouth..............
It should get there before the puppies do.
A good breeder will have puppies "promised" before they enter the world.
Ditto ^ what she said
fillyone
05-07-2006, 06:11 PM
Another vote for word of mouth.
Another is at the sport that breed is bred for and at shows. No need to advertise if your dogs take top honors!!
canadianmandy
05-07-2006, 07:11 PM
Hi, I was just wondering for all the breeders out there. What are some ways you go about marketing your puppies for sale? I've seen some people sit out on the roads with big signs like (pitbull puppies $500 each) or something. I've seen classifieds on dog magazines and stuff too. Maybe over the internet. What seems to be the most effective way to sell them and how many do you typically sell in lets' say, a week? Does there seem to be alot of demand for puppies?
Sorry if anyone works for an adoption center and is offended by this post, I was just curious.
If you carefully reread the post it asks what to do NOW not what you think he/she should have done before hand. Word of mouth is great exept peoples circles are their circles. I would put ads in your local papers.put Signs up in stores. Maybe even an ad at your local pet store. You could also list online at
puppyfind.com
petfinder.com
petshopper.com
nextdaypets.com
be careful with online people screen them well. dont just deal in emails. Over the phone works better. puts them on the spot. Ask for neighbors ## call ask for their vets ### and families ###. Find a good shipping company.
I hope it all goes well for you and that you find great homes for all those puppies.
The worst thing to do is place an ad here. Unless of coarse you are a registered breeder.
Pm me the breed and I will help you find homes.
MomOf7
05-07-2006, 07:12 PM
I have seen ads in papers from reputable breeders. All doing health certs and choosing good dogs for the best breedings. I believe this is a good thing. Too often the public is uninformed about dogs, or dont know where to find a good breeding.
Word of mouth, internet, newspapers, magazines, ect ect are all good tools if used properly.
Its not the tool that is bad its how its used.
MomOf7
05-07-2006, 07:15 PM
I only bred every 2 years or so , but when I used a male as a sire there was always a waiting list too .I guess through the years there were over 100 Goldens.... no one advertised and everyone spade or neutered. You have to remember that's over 30 years. Word of mouth is the way to go , plus return puppy wanter's .... Over the years at least a dozen or more went to past owners, their families or friends. I still get calls though I haven't bred for over 10 years. That's why puppy seekers should contact a breed club and ask about litters...good breeders don't advertise.
Do you realize that not all people know about breed clubs? Tools are tools
Yes word of mouth is best! I agree! Not everyone knows how to locate the breeding they want. Or even know about health certs ect...
Its not the tools that are bad its how they are used.
bubbatd
05-07-2006, 07:16 PM
I only bred every 2 years or so , but when I used a male as a sire there was always a waiting list too .I guess through the years there were over 100 Goldens.... no one advertised and everyone spade or neutered. You have to remember that's over 30 years. Word of mouth is the way to go , plus return puppy wanter's .... Over the years at least a dozen or more went to past owners, their families or friends. I still get calls though I haven't bred for over 10 years. That's why puppy seekers should contact a breed club and ask about litters...good breeders don't advertise.
Julie
05-07-2006, 07:23 PM
If you carefully reread the post it asks what to do NOW not what you think he/she should have done before hand. Word of mouth is great exept peoples circles are their circles. I would put ads in your local papers.put Signs up in stores. Maybe even an ad at your local pet store. You could also list online at
puppyfind.com
petfinder.com
petshopper.com
nextdaypets.com
be careful with online people screen them well. dont just deal in emails. Over the phone works better. puts them on the spot. Ask for neighbors ## call ask for their vets ### and families ###. Find a good shipping company.
I hope it all goes well for you and that you find great homes for all those puppies.
The worst thing to do is place an ad here. Unless of coarse you are a registered breeder.
Pm me the breed and I will help you find homes.
If you reread the post carefully the OP did not indicate he/she had any pups.
I would also never advertise on the sites listed above. Really nextdaypets ??
Doesn't sound good to me!!
I also did not go back and read previous posts, so maybe you know more??
But still, there are better ways to find homes than advertising on puppymill sites~
rottnpagan
05-07-2006, 07:29 PM
I don't have much trust in people. Take a look at the world and wonder why would anybody trust anyone, especially on the internet with basically no reprecustions for all the misjustice and lies caked everywhere.
I think that those of us who've been involved in rescue or even in general in the dog world have a bit of a jaded view on people. I tend to be very protective and make CERTAIN the homes any animal I place is going to be the best for that animal, and for that family. I still maintain contact with rescues, and my contract is very specific. Four pages of specific. The application is eight pages.
canadianmandy
05-07-2006, 07:50 PM
If you reread the post carefully the OP did not indicate he/she had any pups.
I would also never advertise on the sites listed above. Really nextdaypets ??
Doesn't sound good to me!!
I also did not go back and read previous posts, so maybe you know more??
But still, there are better ways to find homes than advertising on puppymill sites~
Umm he/she asked how to sell them in say a week! why would he do that unless maybe he had some and or knows someone who does.. or he would not have implied he did. I sense a war coming but its not necessary. Next day pets is an ok spot. There are alot of "responsible" breeders there selling registered pups that are not even born. you just dont like next day pets b/c they allow the selling of mix breed pups. And all this puppymill business. Your breeding clubs are just as bad. The inbreeding and continous litters and the advertizing and so on is just as bad as any online site. Do you know the true meaning of puppymills?
tempura tantrum
05-07-2006, 07:52 PM
My breeder advertises purely by word of mouth. Her dogs are multiple BISS, Group, and Westminster BOB/BOS winners. She's currently the top Shiba breeder in the country, and one of the founders of the breed in the US. She doesn't NEED to advertise. Waiting lists for her puppies are generally several *years* long.
I would steer as far away as possible from any "breeder" that advertised on a site like petfinder. Personal websites don't bother me as much, but I want to see working animals with titles, references, and health checks. Furthermore, I would never buy a dog from a person I hadn't met in person. I want to meet the dogs, see the facilities, etc.
As a future breeder I feel it is my DUTY to be mistrustful of people. When you are sending your babies to new homes is NOT the time to have a sunshine, rainbows, candy canes and lollipops view of the world. There are vile and cunning people out there who know *just* what to say to separate you from a puppy, who have absolutely no intention in loving that animal as a family member, and every intention of reselling the dog to research facilities, BYBs, or petshops.
Maybe it's sad to you, but I would much rather be looking for the bad in people to prevent such a situation, rather than blindly trust people I've never met in my life. (E-mail conversations do not count). Point blank- I will never sell to anyone I haven't met face to face.
I've worked with enough rescues, talked to enough devestated breeders to realize that this is part of being a responsible breeder.
People or companies that indiscriminetly pump out litter after litter in the name of profit with little to regard for the quality of the dogs produces. That's what a puppymill is.
Online brokers such as Nextdaypets.com are just as bad, as there is NOTHING to keep irresponsible, irreputable, abusive people or labratories from buying those dogs. You hit a button, give an address to ship the dogs off to and poof. You have a dog. That's not an OK place. No reputable person would EVER list their litters or dogs for sale on a mass website such as that.
bubbatd
05-07-2006, 07:54 PM
I really don't believe any pups should come into this world without 90% homes lined up !! Yes, you may get more $$$ on line, but the right homes are more important. I personally feel that the INTERNET is going to ruin a lot of breeds. I agree it's great for rescue etc. I'm pulling this out of my right ear... but I'll say 4 out of 5 will be a bad deal in pure breds and designer dogs. It's easy to breed, some are easy whelps...it's from there on that make healthy, well socialized pups. One litter alone takes at least 8 hours a day, Are these breeders doing this ??? To me what I've seen , they're cranking them out , not doing the best for the pups and are at their computers racking people in. I've NEVER seen a line I know from AKC winners on line advertising .
bubbatd
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
Canadian ... I disagree ,with our Golden Retriever club here... they will only post carefully screened breeders who have have all testing done on their dogs and know they aren't BYBs,
Julie
05-07-2006, 08:02 PM
Umm he/she asked how to sell them in say a week! why would he do that unless maybe he had some and or knows someone who does.. or he would not have implied he did. I sense a war coming but its not necessary. Next day pets is an ok spot. There are alot of "responsible" breeders there selling registered pups that are not even born. you just dont like next day pets b/c they allow the selling of mix breed pups. And all this puppymill business. Your breeding clubs are just as bad. The inbreeding and continous litters and the advertizing and so on is just as bad as any online site. Do you know the true meaning of puppymills?
Umm reread the OP. The OP didn't ask how to sell them in a week, he/she asked "how many do you sell in say a week?".
NextDay pets is not an okay spot. !!!
And please do not put words in my mouth!!! I never even mentioned a mixed breed anything.
Again another addition to my posts:rolleyes: , I do not belong........(never have, never will) to a "breeding club"
And YOU my child will never know the true meaning of a puppy mill until you have..........with your own hands rescued the dogs and puppies that sit in their own urine and feces, in small cages their entire lives. Don't even go there.
canadianmandy
05-07-2006, 08:03 PM
People or companies that indiscriminetly pump out litter after litter in the name of profit with little to regard for the quality of the dogs produces. That's what a puppymill is.
Online brokers such as Nextdaypets.com are just as bad, as there is NOTHING to keep irresponsible, irreputable, abusive people or labratories from buying those dogs. You hit a button, give an address to ship the dogs off to and poof. You have a dog. That's not an OK place. No reputable person would EVER list their litters or dogs for sale on a mass website such as that.
Your definition is so true yet it can be implied to any breeder. Um yes there is a way to keep the bad from the good its called researching the people who want to adopt. sign contracts. and no you do not just hit a buttun and the dog gets shipped. I Know I will be shot for this but I have put a puppy for adoption there and I have found the most excelent home for her.once again it dependes on the seller. A responsible person will follow through and do their research. It is now not aloud to list whole litters there. You can only list individuals. Dont blame a website b/c of irrisponsible breeders.
It must be nice to be that naive.
jess2416
05-07-2006, 08:07 PM
Dont blame a website b/c of irrisponsible breeders Those irresponsible breeders are what help keep that website up....Of course its the websites fault....There should NEVER NEVER be websites for the buying and selling of any animal....
canadianmandy
05-07-2006, 08:10 PM
Well your wrong there me a child has rescued many unwanted animals. I got my dog by taking in an abandoned pregnant dog. Whose last meal was pieces of rubber she later vomited up. I have taken in beat cats with cuts and open gaping wounds.who didnt trust a soul even though Im allergic and found them homes. I am studying to be a vet and I am going to run a no kill shelter. I do know animals pain
Julie
05-07-2006, 08:13 PM
Your definition is so true yet it can be implied to any breeder. Um yes there is a way to keep the bad from the good its called researching the people who want to adopt. sign contracts. and no you do not just hit a buttun and the dog gets shipped. I Know I will be shot for this but I have put a puppy for adoption there and I have found the most excelent home for her.once again it dependes on the seller. A responsible person will follow through and do their research. It is now not aloud to list whole litters there. You can only list individuals. Dont blame a website b/c of irrisponsible breeders.
You might think it is an excellent home, but tell me, how do you really know?
Did you meet them? Did you visit their home? Did they visit yours?
How far away do they live? ...........and How much did you sell your pup for?
Did you make any money?
I could tell you all kinds of wonderful things......but for all you know your pup will be in a research lab by next thursday.
canadianmandy
05-07-2006, 08:18 PM
I must say I love your pet pics in your sig!
She lives in the next state over and yes I am planning a visit. I did not make anything on the puppy in fact If anything I lost. I "sold" her for $75 but the check was spent on her crate and vet checkups and shots and of coarse her food and toys. And it is very sad the untrust you have in people.
canadianmandy
05-07-2006, 08:27 PM
Umm sorry Freddie I did happen to misread your post but as everyone knows anyone can do it. sorry for the misunderstanding
Julie
05-07-2006, 08:29 PM
I must say I love your pet pics in your sig!
She lives in the next state over and yes I am planning a visit. I did not make anything on the puppy in fact If anything I lost. I "sold" her for $75 but the check was spent on her crate and vet checkups and shots and of coarse her food and toys. And it is very sad the untrust you have in people.
Thank you for my sig. compliment!
They are my four legged babies.
I do hope you follow up with the visit.
I don't have much trust in people. Take a look at the world and wonder why would anybody trust anyone, especially on the internet with basically no reprecustions for all the misjustice and lies caked everywhere.
canadianmandy
05-07-2006, 08:40 PM
How did you make that sig?
I know there is alot of bad out there but there is alot of good to. I think it comes from looking through the eyes of someone who thinks there is some good in everybody. It just depends if you want to find bad. You will. If its good you seek well you will find that to. Im not naive maybe Im just someones who has been hurt but still wants to see good in a failing world. DO your extra homework work hard and all will be fine.
JennSLK
05-07-2006, 08:43 PM
Any breeder who advertises on petfinder.com or ANYTHING like it is a BYB. RESCUES are different.
A good breeder needs only word of mouth or advertising the kennel in a breed magazine like Doberman Digest or the like.
Freddie
05-07-2006, 11:33 PM
What does everyone think about a store that sells puppies? Are they evil b/c they are using puppies to make profit or can we look at it as someone making a living doing something they love, which is helping puppies find good homes?
rottnpagan
05-07-2006, 11:40 PM
What does everyone think about a store that sells puppies? Are they evil b/c they are using puppies to make profit or can we look at it as someone making a living doing something they love, which is helping puppies find good homes?
It's nothing more than a puppy mill brokerage. I *WILL NOT* support a store that sells puppies.
Julie
05-07-2006, 11:40 PM
What does everyone think about a store that sells puppies? Are they evil b/c they are using puppies to make profit or can we look at it as someone making a living doing something they love, which is helping puppies find good homes?
No, the stores are not evil, but the profit seeking owners are the blameees.
But you see they are not finding "good" homes. They are impluse buyers that see an adorable pup, but find out several months later it was much more than they bargined for. So the cute pet shop pup ends up in a shelter, with behavior problems and not so cute anymore.
Not to mention the pet shops stoop to buying from puppy mills or backyard breeders. Because their profit margin is much higher and a good breeder would not consider selling to them.
bubbatd
05-08-2006, 12:09 AM
They are evil !!! When I was breeding and saw Goldens in a pet store for twice I was charging...I checked on papers, health, OFA, CERF etc....none... just AKC if there was any. I mentioned I was to have a litter soon ( to see what they would say ) and they said they never pay more than $50 for a pup !!! They must mark up 1000 % ! Granted, this was a long time ago .... might be interesting to see what they do today ! ( NO---- I would never do that !!! ----mine were all sold )
canadianmandy
05-08-2006, 12:19 AM
I dont like pet stores in that they lie about the age of the puppies and those small cages they are stuck in all day. also I always wonder what happens if one isnt picked. We got a beagle froma pet store to save him from the unwanted. he had a kink in his tail like he had a door slammed on it. We supposidly got a good deal on him b/c of his "flaw". We lived in the city and we knew we couldnt meet his needs so we interveiwed peopla and he was given to a farmer with some other beagles and he was taught to hunt! And became the best Rabbit dog! I cant help but go in a pet store and look through all those sad eyes and pick the most depressed and give him or her a half hour play. But my worst pet peeve is that at the pet store where I lived the puppies were given towls to play with. I asked why and they said it was to kill to birds with one stone. It made a cheap play toy and as he or she played it cleaned up their pee.and when they bath them these tiny puppies are stuck back in there cages shaking cold b/c they are still wet and they place a fan in front to "dry them" I use fans to cool my house! umm duh?
What does everyone think about a store that sells puppies? Are they evil b/c they are using puppies to make profit or can we look at it as someone making a living doing something they love, which is helping puppies find good homes?
That's the problem, they don't help puppies find good homes. They help puppies go to who ever forks out the cash for it, or qualifies for FINANCING (!). They take little to no care of their dogs (no health checks, very few checkups and/or appropriate shots), and usually help to foster some sort of behavioral problem, whether it be phobias or aggression from lack of socializiation, or an increased difficulty in housebreaking because the dog has gotten so used to eliminating where ever it wants to. Also, just about every single dog you see in a pet store is WAY too young to be seperated from it's mother. Stores are out for profits, and with dogs, profits ride on the cuteness factor. This "peaks" between 5-8 weeks, so many puppies are taken from their mothers/litter around 4-6 weeks to hit that mark and increase the liklihood of tugging on someone's heartstrings. Puppies should not leave the mother before the age of 8 weeks.
MomOf7
05-08-2006, 03:43 AM
What does everyone think about a store that sells puppies? Are they evil b/c they are using puppies to make profit or can we look at it as someone making a living doing something they love, which is helping puppies find good homes?
Stores that sell puppies only support puppy mills which most dogs spend thier lives reproducing.
Very very sad lifestyle for the dogs.
If they love dogs they will not support mills by buying them at reduced priced to make a profit.
Breeding is not a money making lifestyle.
JennSLK
05-08-2006, 01:25 PM
I dont like pet stores in that they lie about the age of the puppies and those small cages they are stuck in all day. also I always wonder what happens if one isnt picked. We got a beagle froma pet store to save him from the unwanted.
I noticed how you said nothing about the conidtions that the mother of those pups probably live in. Not to mention the poor quality and health problems the pups are going to have.
corsomom
05-08-2006, 05:19 PM
Pet stores dont care one bit about the puppies, its just money.They get the pups from puppy mills and very unethical breeders. The only way to end this disgusting business is to not buy from them.With all the info out there I dont understand why anyone would buy from a petstore.
Canadian mandy,wasn't it you letting your dogs breed and not wanting to fix them...........but you do rescue:confused:
dogs from stores and the paper are generally not the best thing. the best breeders have lists and have room to pick and choose who will get a pup.
canadianmandy
05-09-2006, 08:06 PM
Canadian mandy,wasn't it you letting your dogs breed and not wanting to fix them...........but you do rescue:confused:
dogs from stores and the paper are generally not the best thing. the best breeders have lists and have room to pick and choose who will get a pup.
Ummm My dog had a silent heat I wasnt home at the time (she was several months early) came home from west virginia (I live in Mo) and discovered she was going to have puppies. I will not spay my dog it is my choice and that has been argues about in a previous thread which has been locked b/c ppl went nuts. Yes I do do rescues I dont see a problem in that and I dont see why you do. I rescue and rehome (and have kept several pets). If they want to fix they can. Ill have you know we do spay some of our rescuees that we keep. Im just not spaying Love. Please lets not debate about my dog.
bubbatd
05-09-2006, 08:29 PM
My question to anyone.... is " rescuing" a pup from the HS for $50. better than " rescuing " from a pet store at $500, ??? Both are from BYBs ...no health checks , no socialization , and taken away from their moms way too young. Food for thought.
IliamnasQuest
05-09-2006, 08:41 PM
To answer the OP's post:
The most effective way of selling depends on your motivation for selling. If people are just out to make money, then they pump out a lot of puppies and they advertise them on places like puppyfind. This can definitely be effective, but I don't think it's right.
If your motivation for selling a puppy is because you bred a high quality bitch that has been fully health screened and has proven herself as to conformation and working ability, then you would never post on a place such as nextdaypets or puppyfind. Prior to breeding, you would have contacts with people who would be interested in a puppy. In showing your dog (part of the proving her in conformation and performance) you will have found people who are impressed with her and might want a puppy. The owner of the stud dog should also have people interested in puppies, as the stud dog would also be proven in conformation and working ability. So selling a puppy shouldn't be a tough thing to do - advertisement would probably not even be necessary, because you would have the contacts ahead of time.
Advertising is not necessarily a bad thing, especially when you're first getting started, but a responsible breeder is going to make sure that they have done all the right things first and that they are producing truly quailty puppies. Then they will research each and every applicant for a puppy. The price for the pup will not be nearly as important as the home the person can provide.
As far as the other posts in this thread .. there are SO many scams on places like puppyfind.com. I just wrote to them last week because someone was advertising a chow puppy for sale and the photo they had posted was MY dog. They'd taken the photo off of my website. Luckily the ad got deleted. But this is not uncommon.
It was also mentioned by some that they would never buy a dog without seeing the dam/sire or the facilities, and wouldn't sell one without meeting the person face-to-face. Well, I'm lucky that not all breeders are like that! Up here in Alaska, I'm a long ways from most breeders. My last chow pup came from Ontario, Canada, which is many thousands of miles from here. I've never met the breeder, never seen the bitch or stud dog, and I had to go on a few photos and pedigree and phone calls to the breeder and the owner of the stud and the veterinarian. And then I had to go with my gut feeling. Same with the breeder - she didn't have the opportunity to meet me but she DID know of me (my reputation is actually pretty good in the chow world .. *L*).
And Khana and I have been the perfect match.
So while I agree that ideally you meet and see what things truly are, sometimes you also have to go with references and your gut feeling.
Melanie and the gang in Alaska
bubbatd
05-09-2006, 08:41 PM
Canadian ... was your Love the one you got from the pet store ?? Please be responsible !
MomOf7
05-09-2006, 09:14 PM
To answer the OP's post:
The most effective way of selling depends on your motivation for selling. If people are just out to make money, then they pump out a lot of puppies and they advertise them on places like puppyfind. This can definitely be effective, but I don't think it's right.
If your motivation for selling a puppy is because you bred a high quality bitch that has been fully health screened and has proven herself as to conformation and working ability, then you would never post on a place such as nextdaypets or puppyfind. Prior to breeding, you would have contacts with people who would be interested in a puppy. In showing your dog (part of the proving her in conformation and performance) you will have found people who are impressed with her and might want a puppy. The owner of the stud dog should also have people interested in puppies, as the stud dog would also be proven in conformation and working ability. So selling a puppy shouldn't be a tough thing to do - advertisement would probably not even be necessary, because you would have the contacts ahead of time.
Advertising is not necessarily a bad thing, especially when you're first getting started, but a responsible breeder is going to make sure that they have done all the right things first and that they are producing truly quailty puppies. Then they will research each and every applicant for a puppy. The price for the pup will not be nearly as important as the home the person can provide.
As far as the other posts in this thread .. there are SO many scams on places like puppyfind.com. I just wrote to them last week because someone was advertising a chow puppy for sale and the photo they had posted was MY dog. They'd taken the photo off of my website. Luckily the ad got deleted. But this is not uncommon.
It was also mentioned by some that they would never buy a dog without seeing the dam/sire or the facilities, and wouldn't sell one without meeting the person face-to-face. Well, I'm lucky that not all breeders are like that! Up here in Alaska, I'm a long ways from most breeders. My last chow pup came from Ontario, Canada, which is many thousands of miles from here. I've never met the breeder, never seen the bitch or stud dog, and I had to go on a few photos and pedigree and phone calls to the breeder and the owner of the stud and the veterinarian. And then I had to go with my gut feeling. Same with the breeder - she didn't have the opportunity to meet me but she DID know of me (my reputation is actually pretty good in the chow world .. *L*).
And Khana and I have been the perfect match.
So while I agree that ideally you meet and see what things truly are, sometimes you also have to go with references and your gut feeling.
Melanie and the gang in Alaska
I will second that!
jess2416
05-09-2006, 09:18 PM
My question to anyone.... is " rescuing" a pup from the HS for $50. better than " rescuing " from a pet store at $500, ??? Both are from BYBs ...no health checks , no socialization , and taken away from their moms way too young. Food for thought.
Oooo thats a good one grammy....I havent really thought of it that way....I will think about it and get back to you....:D
Wiggle Butt
05-09-2006, 09:23 PM
My question to anyone.... is " rescuing" a pup from the HS for $50. better than " rescuing " from a pet store at $500, ??? Both are from BYBs ...no health checks , no socialization , and taken away from their moms way too young. Food for thought.
This is how I see it...
When you purchase from a pet store you are doing just that - purchasing. You may be rescuing that one puppy but your cash has just gone to provide for living hell for other dogs.
When you adopt from the humane society those dogs generally are strays or owner surrenders from the shelter and your cash is going to support a good cause.
Exactly WB!
When purchasing a pup from a pet store you have to look beyond just purchasing a pup. You have to look at where this pup is coming from, parents that are cages 24/7 as a breeding machine in deplorable living conditions. When pups get sold that means more pups to be pumped out to supply the demand.
canadianmandy
05-09-2006, 09:40 PM
Canadian ... was your Love the one you got from the pet store ?? Please be responsible !
UMMM no Like I said we bought a beagle (male) thats tail was kinked and nobody wanted him and we took him and found him a farmer who raised (not bred) beagles and taught them to hunt. Love is a puppy I gained from taking in an abandoned pregnant dog and rehomed her siblings and in doing so found her true owner. Who had reported the dog as stolen and was a totally diffrent man than the guy I saw ditching her (diffrent race / one was tall one was short. and I interveiwed neighbors). So she went back home happy. and I kept Love and her sister Buddie.
Boxerowner
05-10-2006, 04:32 PM
I just want to say!! I advertised on Nextdaypets I am NOT a BRB or Mill. I sold 2 pups to 2 different families from that site and I get pictures, thank you notes, and phone calls all the time. Sorry if I don't have some Fancy website.
I also advertised on qualitydogs.com I see nothing wrong with this they all went to happy homes and are to be spayed in the contract.
puppyfind is just a site for scammers now so I wouldn't advertise on that site ever again.
Here is Peach boy she sure looks abused
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/Sharky2/DSCN4737.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/Sharky2/DSCN4626.jpg
MomOf7
05-10-2006, 06:11 PM
I just want to say!! I advertised on Nextdaypets I am NOT a BRB or Mill. I sold 2 pups to 2 different families from that site and I get pictures, thank you notes, and phone calls all the time. Sorry if I don't have some Fancy website.
I also advertised on qualitydogs.com I see nothing wrong with this they all went to happy homes and are to be spayed in the contract.
puppyfind is just a site for scammers now so I wouldn't advertise on that site ever again.
LIke I said before..Advertising is a tool that can be used many ways
Can be used for good and bad, for informing and finding great homes.
Word of mouth is best of course...
Advertising can bring up alot of different avenues. Calls from people who have no idea about certifications or what to look for. There you have the opportunity to explain alot what you cant cover you can email. You can find great homes that didnt know where to look for a well bred dog. It can also be a tool for people who either mass produce pups or are bybs.
Its just a tool, nothing more and nothing less. Its how it is used that makes it bad or good:D
Twix04
05-10-2006, 06:58 PM
Those irresponsible breeders are what help keep that website up....Of course its the websites fault....There should NEVER NEVER be websites for the buying and selling of any animal....
That is the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard!!!!!!!! Most people don't have the time or resouces to find reputable breeders w/o the internet! The internet is a valuble tool for selling animals, but it is the responsibily of buyer/breeder to be discrimate of certain venues and individuals. I agree sites such as NextDayPets.com are NOT where breeders should advertise their dogs, but to say that all websites are bad?! That's just stupid and short-sighted.
bubbatd
05-10-2006, 09:31 PM
All I'll say right now is that any Good breeder does not have accidents --- they have planned litters with at least 1/2 the pups spoken for before they even breed.
canadianmandy
05-11-2006, 12:38 AM
What about the other half?
They generally go to good homes via word of mouth in their breed's circle.
taratippy
05-11-2006, 05:49 AM
My question to anyone.... is " rescuing" a pup from the HS for $50. better than " rescuing " from a pet store at $500, ??? Both are from BYBs ...no health checks , no socialization , and taken away from their moms way too young. Food for thought.
What? If you take a dog from a rescue you are not lining the pockets of puppy farmers are you! You are not encouraging them to breed more and more because of demand, you are not encouraging byb's to think oh I can make some money on my puppy.
If you take a dog from rescue you are clearing a space that may save another dogs life, you will be ensuring that the money you've shelled out goes to helping other dogs and not pumping up the bank balance of bad business who care nothing for animals.
I truly find that attitude unbelievable on a site that was for dog lovers.
I help out with a rescue and when you get a dog from them, the dog has been socialised, house trained, assessed with other dogs, animals and kids. I would give a rescue dog a chance everytime and think the money well spent.
bubbatd
05-11-2006, 12:19 PM
Read my post again! I spoke with tongue in cheek ! Of course rescue is better !!